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  • #31
    Re: Troy Murphy

    Carlos wouldn't offend me in general, but then again isn't he also a prima donna in his own right? Do we want to bring that in?

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    • #32
      Re: Troy Murphy

      Carlos Arroyo = no

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      • #33
        Re: Troy Murphy

        i'd trade murphy for just about anything.

        arroyo has an expiring contract remember, so there's not much risk in trying him out for half a season.

        troy for arroyo and battie? battie is out for the season and has 2 more years on his contract, but it's too much to expect orlando to send us expirings only for troy

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        • #34
          Re: Troy Murphy

          Troy can play.

          He is a good player. Defiantly not perfect but he can shoot, and rebound.

          He is slow. As pointed out it is a huge negative.

          However Murphy can't defend. I don't care if your tall, short, slow, fast you can either defend or you can't. Murphy has shown that he can't.

          Hopefully Murphy picks it up. I don't see any way we can get rid of his contract so we are likely stuck with him.

          Like I said I really hope that Troy can step up and help this team win games.

          I really think that the team is better without Troy. As I like our other opitions and I feel we play better as a team overall without Troy. However his contract is hard to sell to teams and so we might as well get use to seeing Troy where a Pacers jersey.

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          • #35
            Re: Troy Murphy

            There are plenty of bad contracts out there.

            Troy Murphy 9.2, 10.1, 11.0 & 12.0

            Philly has:
            Sam Dalembert 9.7, 10.5, 11.4 & 12.2

            New York has:
            Quentin Richardson 8.1, 8.8 & 9.4

            Toronto has:
            Radoslav Nestrovic 7.8 & 8.4

            Chicago has:
            Ben Wallace 15.5, 14.5 & 14.0

            Cleveland has:
            Larry Hughes 12.0, 12.8 & 13.7

            Milwaukee has:
            Bobby Simmons 9.3, 9.9 & 10.6

            Miami has:
            Mark Blount 6.7, 7.4 & 7.9

            Dallas has:
            Erick Dampier 8.6, 9.6, 10.1 &13.1

            Denver has:
            Nene 8.8, 9.7, 10.5, 11.4 & 11.6

            Portland has:
            Raef Lafrentz 11.8 & 12.7

            Seattle has:
            Wally 12.0 & 13.0

            Sacramento has:
            Brad Miller 10.5, 11.4 & 12.2


            The point is there are a number of players not earning their paychecks. There are even more mid-level guys like Brian Cardinal, Jared Jeffries, Quentin Richardson, Nazr Mohammed, Juwan Howard & Speedy Claxton. The Pacers could probably find a taker for a 27 year old upstanding 6-11 Notre Dame grad with career averages of 11 & 8 who shoots the three at a 36% clip.
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            • #36
              Re: Troy Murphy

              Originally posted by Dr. Goldfoot View Post
              Sacramento has:
              Brad Miller 10.5, 11.4 & 12.2
              If Larry was able to trade Trophy for Brad Miller (even today's brad miller) I would dance a jig, record it, and put it on youtube.

              EDIT: Ok, working through the list more systematically: Ben Wallace is no way. Over my dead body. Other than that, I'd make most of these trades. But the other teams wouldn't. Dalembert? Dampier? Nene? Miller? These guys are pipe dreams. Rasho and Blount give more production for less money, those teams aren't trading for Murphy. Portland's not trading Raef for a longer contract, since they need the money. Ditto Seattle and Wally.

              That leaves Q-Rich, Larry Hughes, and Bobby Simmons. I'd happily trade Murphy for any of those guys, but I can't imagine that the other teams would unless we included some bait.
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              • #37
                Re: Troy Murphy

                Didn't I read that Bird had urged Murphy to bulk up in the offseason so that he could be more physical? It seems that has backfired. I don't know if it's Murphy's fault if they told him to get bigger and now he's in no man's land playingwise.

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                • #38
                  Re: Troy Murphy

                  Originally posted by McClintic Sphere View Post
                  I don't know if it's Murphy's fault if they told him to get bigger and now he's in no man's land playingwise.
                  If Murphy was 15 pounds lighter and a step quicker, I'd still rather David/Shawne/Ike get his minutes.
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                  • #39
                    Re: Troy Murphy

                    Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                    If Murphy was 15 pounds lighter and a step quicker, I'd still rather David/Shawne/Ike get his minutes.
                    Yeah, except then maybe he would still be tradeable.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Troy Murphy

                      Originally posted by McClintic Sphere View Post
                      Yeah, except then maybe he would be tradeable.
                      Maybe... or maybe less so. Not a lot of teams looking for underweight big men.
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                      • #41
                        Re: Troy Murphy

                        I see Portland and Atlanta as trade possibilities. Both are young teams, but both are trying to shift from rebuild mode to "win now" mode. There are minutes available for Murphy on both teams, and both would be very happy about his character. Both also have a bad contract or two to get rid of: Darius Miles, Raef LaFrentz, Speedy Claxton.

                        I wonder if Portland would consider Murphy for Miles (whom I hope we would buy out) and Sergio Rodriguez or Petteri Koponnen.

                        Atlanta could give us Speedy Claxton (backup PG) and Lorenzen Wright (expiring contract).
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                        • #42
                          Re: Troy Murphy

                          Originally posted by mellifluous View Post
                          I see Portland and Atlanta as trade possibilities. Both are young teams, but both are trying to shift from rebuild mode to "win now" mode. There are minutes available for Murphy on both teams, and both would be very happy about his character. Both also have a bad contract or two to get rid of: Darius Miles, Raef LaFrentz, Speedy Claxton.
                          Raef's contract is better than Murphy's. Taking Murph makes their situation worse.

                          I wonder if Portland would consider Murphy for Miles (whom I hope we would buy out) and Sergio Rodriguez or Petteri Koponnen.
                          If we're going to go that way, why not just buy Murphy out?

                          Atlanta could give us Speedy Claxton (backup PG) and Lorenzen Wright (expiring contract).
                          I'd do that, but there's no way Atlanta makes that trade unless they're getting a pick back. They were offered Murphy in exchange for Harrington, and refused.
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                          • #43
                            Re: Troy Murphy

                            I wasn't saying we should or even could trade for any of those guys. I was just revealing that other teams are sitting on pretty bad contracts too. Some of those guys are producing even less than Troy has been.

                            Imagine dishing out $52 million for Nene or another $41 million for Dampier. I don't see how Blount's 3.5 PPG and 2.3 RPG for $7.3 million a year is producing at a higher level or how Rasho's 5 & 5 for $8 million a year is any better than Troy's 11PPG & 6RPG for $10 million a year.

                            Again I wasn't trying to put together trade scenario's just pointing out some other pretty bad contracts. I wouldn't trade Troy for some of those guys.
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                            • #44
                              Re: Troy Murphy

                              Originally posted by Dr. Goldfoot View Post
                              Imagine dishing out $52 million for Nene or another $41 million for Dampier. . . I wouldn't trade Troy for some of those guys.
                              But Nene and Dampier can do two things Murphy can't do: play center and defend. You think Nene would be our fifth big man if he was here?

                              Other than Ben Wallace and Larry Hughes, I'd trade Murphy for any of those guys.
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                              • #45
                                Re: Troy Murphy

                                I wouldnt just buy the guy out.. who knows when we may actually need him. IF we can trade him to another team that then great.

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