The Rules of Pacers Digest

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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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  • #16
    Re: Danny Granger

    What would be wrong if Danny is just a good player? Everyone acts like if he is not the next Pippen he is worthless. I am pretty happy with the player he has become, if he improves then super. Right now he is a good player. Maybe he never becomes the superstar the Pacers never seem to find, so what, he is a piece to build on.
    No matter how much success Larry Bird attains in Indiana he'll never top that first command to fire Thomas. -Peter Vecsey. NY Post 12/4/07


    • #17
      Re: Danny Granger

      I love it when this dude starts a thread because every reply is a tempered rebuttal. He has to reply so many times to so little avail. Except now, it's Danny Granger rather than Jermaine. Ah, comic relief.

      Continue as you were.
      You Got The Tony!!!!!!


      • #18
        Re: Danny Granger

        Originally posted by DaSMASH View Post
        I sincerely believe that the Pacers should include him in any kind of a blockbuster trade that they can come up with, only because his contract will be coming up soon, as will Diogu's. Danny is as good as he's going to get, and I do nt s him EVER growing a mean streak, one that a 6 foot 9 or 10 forward should have.

        Move him and get something valuable back, especially while the other teams in the league think that he's an up and coming talent.
        A good idea. Maybe we could trade him for Gerald Wallace.

        NOTE: For folks new to the digest, this is a joke.
        This space for rent.


        • #19
          Re: Danny Granger

          The assertions seem somewhat hyperbolic, but I'll listen to any trade offers. I wouldn't rule out a trade of anybody as long as it helped the team out.
          I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

          -Emiliano Zapata


          • #20
            Re: Danny Granger

            Originally posted by justinDOHMAN View Post

            Jo played a great game but I still stand by my theory. Danny is not the same player with JO in the lineup. Before JO came back danny was cutting to the hoop, driving it to the basket and drawing fouls. He is not doing this with JO in the lineup. I think part of it is because JO is in the post and looking for the ball. When JO posts up he doesnt move around which makes it harder to drive. Danny needs to learn to play with JO in the lineup. He cannot just spot up at the three point line.

            I want to see a few more games before I start preaching this but it is my theory.
            I've been wondering the exact same thing. If you look at the stats that somebody posted the other day, Danny's stats are not nearly as good when JO plays. I'm also going to watch this closely over the next few games. I think it might be more of a mental shift on Danny's part. When JO is gone, I think he knows he has to act like the #1 option on offense. He plays aggressive because he knows he needs to score for the team to win. With JO out there, Danny defers to him because that's what he's been doing for the first 2 years of his career. I don't think this is JO's fault, it's more a case of Danny being willing to take a back seat when he shouldn't. Hopefully this is something that J'Ob will address.
            "A man with no belly has no appetite for life."

            - Salman Rushdie


            • #21
              Re: Danny Granger

              Originally posted by andreialta View Post
              that was a good shot from a player who is struggling

              Just what I said.....he's on one and off two....INCONSISTANT for 3 years...does not mean that he will never get it.....also doesn't mean he ever will get it.

              Is it worth the $$$ that your going to have to pay to keep him?


              • #22
                Re: Danny Granger

                Originally posted by odeez View Post
                Isn't he still leading the team in scoring? The only thing I see him being guilty of is not being aggressive enough all the time. Standing around behind the three point line is not where he belongs. Much better when he is going to the rim or catch for the three in transition. No way do you trade this guy, only his third year averaging something like 19 a game. Granger is a keeper!
                Leading the team in scoring does not translate into LEADER on the Floor, or GO TO guy in the clutch. For all the pomp and circumstance that Danny got and still gets from time to time...He needs to find a niche and give the team the same amount of production EVERY night, no matter who is on the floor for the Pacers.


                • #23
                  Re: Danny Granger

                  Originally posted by avoidingtheclowns View Post
                  so this is how we're going to get the #1 from boston and draft oden. yeeehaw!

                  Get over yourself funny boy.....I'm serious...Granger has not improved or matured the way he should up to this point. He still shakes his head to much after a mistake....which if you look at his stats, is right up there.


                  • #24
                    Re: Danny Granger

                    Originally posted by Shack80 View Post
                    What would be wrong if Danny is just a good player? Everyone acts like if he is not the next Pippen he is worthless. I am pretty happy with the player he has become, if he improves then super. Right now he is a good player. Maybe he never becomes the superstar the Pacers never seem to find, so what, he is a piece to build on.
                    You won't be saying this when contract time comes around and Danny points to his useless stats that are not winning us games. Yet he wants market value for those personal stats.


                    • #25
                      Re: Danny Granger

                      Originally posted by AesopRockOn View Post
                      I love it when this dude starts a thread because every reply is a tempered rebuttal. He has to reply so many times to so little avail. Except now, it's Danny Granger rather than Jermaine. Ah, comic relief.

                      Continue as you were.

                      I love it when your posts contain drivel....which is a tempered rebuttal to little avail....


                      • #26
                        Re: Danny Granger

                        Originally posted by Indy View Post
                        Granger is going to be at least as good as Josh Howard and that is fine with me.

                        What time machine are you operating from?

                        When Danny goes cold, he settles for jumpers. He never drives to the basket because....lets face it...hes afraid.


                        • #27
                          Re: Danny Granger

                          Originally posted by DaSMASH View Post
                          What time machine are you operating from?

                          When Danny goes cold, he settles for jumpers. He never drives to the basket because....lets face it...hes afraid.
                          Yeah, during that Seattle game he never attacked the basket. His shot wasn't falling and he only went to the free throw line FIFTEEN times. Yeah, what a wimp.

                          Jeez, the guy is a little over a month into his 3rd season and you're expecting him to be a LEADER? I don't think that's ever been expected of him as a Pacer. He's always been one of the younger players on the team. If you think this team lacks leadership, then you should be pointing your finger at JO and Tinsley, not Granger.

                          Yes, he's having trouble with consistency...on the offensive end. He's not the only player to do so. It's DECEMBER. If he's still playing with inconsistency by February, I'd say we might want to be concerned. And besides, it's not like his contract runs out by the end of the year. We'll still have another season after this one to evaluate him and trade him, if needed.


                          • #28
                            Re: Danny Granger

                            You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?


                            • #29
                              Re: Danny Granger

                              Smash, smash, smash..... Happy Holidays buddy.


                              • #30
                                Re: Danny Granger

                                Danny just makes tons of mistakes still. He's a slow but steady learner who apparently hasn't quite taken the full step forward in awareness/confidence that I thought he had earlier in the year.

                                Here's a tangible example of the subtle mistakes he makes that hurt the bottom line:

                                In-bounds is Hill, DG on him. The pass is in to the high post and as Hill steps in and toward the post (ala give and go over the top) Danny steps UNDER the play, well before Hill has had to choose which side he will go. This let Hill go over the top, get the return pass on a short step-back and hit the open jumper as Danny made a flailing close out on him with little hope of getting there.

                                Stuff like this looks on the surface like effort on his part (it is) and just good play by the other player (also true), but it's also a case where Danny simply makes the game harder on himself.

                                In the parlance of Vince Vaughn, Danny's got these big bear claws but he doesn't know how to use them yet.

                                His fits and starts are to me obviously moments when he locks into a comfort zone, something familiar, and then when he slips into areas he doesn't recognize.

                                The comparison between he and Shawne is remarkably similar to last season. Shawne has the instincts and confidence for the game, though he also makes youthful errors. Danny doesn't appear to come to things nearly as naturally but does have a good ability to learn over time.

                                BTW, I've been sick which is why I didn't get to the thread I'm going to start which will specifically praise Danny and David for addressing flaws in their game this season.

                                Danny is not THE man right now, and is often part of the problem. But he's also a big part of things that go right and still has tons of untapped upside that he shows no signs of failing to reach, at least not yet. Plateau is not a word I think of when I see Danny (or Shawne) play.