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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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NBA.com Power Rankings. Indy #6

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  • #16
    Re: Power Rankings. Indy #6

    Originally posted by JayRedd View Post
    Yes...We're clearly better than Phoenix, Dallas, Utah and Denver.
    Obligatory I believe...

    "Let me put it to you this way: ever heard of Phoenix? Dallas? Utah?"

    "Yes."

    "Morons!"

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    • #17
      Re: Power Rankings. Indy #6

      6th is silly. But I'm still glad that we are 3-0. It beats being 0-3 against the Washington, Miami and Memphis.
      "They could turn out to be only innocent mathematicians, I suppose," muttered Woevre's section officer, de Decker.

      "'Only.'" Woevre was amused. "Someday you'll explain to me how that's possible. Seeing that, on the face of it, all mathematics leads, doesn't it, sooner or later, to some kind of human suffering."

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      • #18
        Re: Power Rankings. Indy #6

        Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
        Um, PPP doesn't hide a team's pace factor, it actually shows that a slow pace team is still pretty efficient.

        Look, if you hold teams to 70 and only score 50 yourself, then you suck. You aren't a great defense, it's just a low pace. You look like the elite defense in the NBA. Someone comes along and converts to 100 possessions and suddely you are giving up 140 and only scoring 100. Now the picture is clear, you have a horrible defense and only a bland offense.

        With one view a person is saying "they're 0-10 because they don't have any offense" and with the other you get the realistic view that the problem actually is the defense.


        If the Suns were really giving up shots every possession then they would NOT be ranked high in PPP, that's simple math. What PPP shows is that while the pace makes it seem like teams are getting points at will against them what is really happening is that they have drawn the other team into a pace that they can't EFFICIENTLY score at.

        Some teams actually buy into the "easy buckets" attitude and start chuck crap of low quality and playing well below their efficiency level because those chances SEEM to come so easily. But when the other team is scoring 6 of 10 and you are going at a 4 of 10 pace, you ain't winning s***.

        Again, without a pace adjustment an opponent buys into this "they don't stop you" attitude, maybe even game plan to "score at will" which draws them right into the trap. A smart team sees the PPP and realizes that if you play uptempo with them you aren't going to be getting the quality of shots you need if you want to win the game, you're just taking stuff to be taking it because you are "open".

        This is all a moot point anyway, the Suns aren't always a top defense by PPP. Starting last year and going backward:
        14th
        16th
        17th

        Is that really your version of "best"???

        Meanwhile, despite a pace adjustment which brings their scoring back in line with slower paced teams, here is their offensive PPP rankings:
        1st
        2nd
        1st

        To me it looks like PPP has shown their identity perfectly. They score a lot not just because of a high pace, but because of a lethal efficiency per possession. Their defense isn't great, but it's more than good enough to make them a top team with that offense.



        Dislike stuff all you want, but can I ask that it's at least for the right reasons. People do this with all sorts of stats, "I hate this because it says..." when in fact it doesn't actually say that.
        I think this is pretty well explained; thanks. I may not adore any/all stats, but there are some I dig and I like this one because of exactly what it does: Reveals the truth that can be masked by different teams playing at different paces.

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        • #19
          Re: Power Rankings. Indy #6

          Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
          Obligatory I believe...

          "Let me put it to you this way: ever heard of Phoenix? Dallas? Utah?"

          "Yes."

          "Morons!"
          You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia...but only slightly less well-known is this: Never look at NBA power rankings before Thanksgiving.
          Read my Pacers blog:
          8points9seconds.com

          Follow my twitter:

          @8pts9secs

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          • #20
            Re: Power Rankings. Indy #6

            Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
            Um, how about WAAAYYYY too soon. Yeesh, I like the wins but 6th is just stupid.

            I realize that these are typically from a "current" view that factors the recent week very highly, making the 3-0 run critical, but still. Do we really expect the Pacers to beat the Mavericks on a regular basis, or even the Bulls (a team that did beat them in preseason)?

            If the wins were over Boston, Phoenix and the Spurs then okay, but over teams combined for 0-8 doesn't signal title contender to me. Heck, I'm now more impressed with the preseason wins over 3-0 NOH.

            It's not that I'm negative, I'm for moving up the list since they won. I'm for them being ahead of both Miami and WSH right now since they beat them both and those teams are 0-3. I'm just not ready to say "East elite" quite yet.

            At least Stein is more on track with his #14.
            Nap,

            I understand where you're coming from, but you of all people should know that at this early stage of the season the opponant's record from last season, as well as whether or not they made the post-season, is factored into the equation. The fact the the Wizards, Heat and Grizzlies are 0-8 right now doesn't take away from the fact that two of those teams were in the playoffs last year.

            Now, if you're comparing "apples-to-apples" the way I've outlined above, the Pacers deserve to be ranked near the top at this point considering that they are 1 of 8 undefeated teams thus far and have faced at least 2 former playoff teams.

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            • #21
              Re: NBA.com Power Rankings. Indy #6

              It's no big deal. I've never taken power rankings seriously anyhow.

              I'd rather be talked about then forgotten though. Hooray, optimism.

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              • #22
                Re: Power Rankings. Indy #6

                Originally posted by Shade View Post
                From insanely underrated to insanely overrated. Gotta love the media.
                Two questions.

                1. Is a jump from 26th to 6th in one week the biggest single-week jump in the history of NBA power rankings?

                2. Do we get a banner for that?
                And I won't be here to see the day
                It all dries up and blows away
                I'd hang around just to see
                But they never had much use for me
                In Levelland. (James McMurtry)

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                • #23
                  Re: NBA.com Power Rankings. Indy #6

                  I know it's nothing to get excited about. We actually got some coverage on NBA TV with the guys talking positive about the Pacers. And you rarely hear that!!

                  Even on double dribble today (Raptors TV) when they were talking about the PAcers, you actual heard something positive. Hopefully we can keep this up and turn heads.
                  R.I.P. Bernic Mac & Isaac Hayes

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                  • #24
                    Re: NBA.com Power Rankings. Indy #6

                    and off to #17 spot we fall....

                    http://www.nba.com/powerrankings/

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                    • #25
                      Re: NBA.com Power Rankings. Indy #6

                      In three weeks we went from a lottery team contending for the #1 pick, to a Top 4 seed in the East with home court advantage, to just missing the playoffs.

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                      • #26
                        Re: NBA.com Power Rankings. Indy #6

                        Originally posted by Shade View Post
                        In three weeks we went from a lottery team contending for the #1 pick, to a Top 4 seed in the East with home court advantage, to just missing the playoffs.
                        This board seemed to be along for the ride. So we are starting over at 500. What are we? no clue

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                        • #27
                          Re: NBA.com Power Rankings. Indy #6

                          Originally posted by Shade View Post
                          In three weeks we went from a lottery team contending for the #1 pick, to a Top 4 seed in the East with home court advantage, to just missing the playoffs.
                          Don't worry about where they are at, think about the vector. Right now it's a straight shot to the bottom and the good news is that they only have to beat Boston and then win in WSH and TOR. On paper they maybe get the win in WSH if they stay on track to struggle, but even that seems iffy.

                          An 0-3 run here would send them back to just about where they started.


                          As for "too early" regarding the records of the opponents, no it's not. It's too early to write those teams off, but clearly all 3 of those teams are not playing great ball right now and continued to lose to other teams besides Indy. What does last year have to do with Wade not playing for Miami right now or the changes to their roster?

                          If anything the point works more the other way, it was way too soon to treat a 3-0 team as anything other than what they were last year post-trade which was a firmly entrenched lottery team. WSH and MIA might not lose over the long haul, but the corollary is that IND also might not win over the long haul.


                          Circumstances matter, home court does too. Denver came in dragging butt on a road trip and the Pacers jumped on them early. Denver found a little fight in them and got back in it for the win.

                          I'll be happy to cut the Pacers some slack on circumstances too, it's not just a negative thing. If they beat Boston I'm going to go ahead and ignore the Celtics record from last year and that they were one of the worst teams in the NBA, and instead I'll give them credit for beating one of the top teams in the league on their court.

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