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MAN CRUSH: ARE YOU CRUSHING ON KD

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  • MAN CRUSH: ARE YOU CRUSHING ON KD

    I know this guy is.

    http://www.nba.com/usabasketball/durantusa_072207.html

    His name already belongs in the same conversation as LeBron James, Frank Robinson and Wayne Gretzky as being considered one of the most dominant teenage athletes of all time, but when it's all said in done, we might be mentioning Kevin Durant with the likes of Bobby Fischer, Mozart, Will Hunting and Doogie Howser as perhaps one of greatest prodigies to ever live.
    Admittedly the basketball world has been quick to honor greatness, sometimes before it's due. Harold Miner, Jerry Stackhouse and Grant Hill were all considered to be "The Next Jordan" early on in their careers, but with Durant the acclaim has been earned.
    He became apart of his accusation by statement above.
    Last edited by Major Cold; 07-23-2007, 10:58 PM. Reason: me so retardo

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    Yup.

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      I cannot remember the last time I was this impressed the first time I saw a guy play.

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        Lol. Watch his carreer end up like Harold's and 4 years from now we'll be on here asking if we should pick him up from some Cambodia International barely known league.

        That was the worst case scenerio.


        Best case is he is the next Michael Jordan, wins the next 9 mvps and shuts all the peoples mouth about Lebron James ( which I actually hate, theres no way in hell he's as or even on the same lvl as MJ.)

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          Oden > Durant

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            LeBron > Durant

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              Eh. He's certainly got talent, but so did Jon Bender. First thing he has to prove is that his beanpole frame can survive the pounding he's going to take at small forward for 82 games. Then, he's got to prove that he can play well when that pounding gets a lot tougher in the playoffs. Finally, he's got to prove that he can be a leader. He can be every bit the player MJ was, but MJ made the guys around him confident that they could play better, too. Without that, Jordan doesn't have 6 rings. To me, Durant is everything Bender was advertised as, but there's more to basketball than putting the ball in the hole.

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                Originally posted by Eindar View Post
                Eh. He's certainly got talent, but so did Jon Bender. First thing he has to prove is that his beanpole frame can survive the pounding he's going to take at small forward for 82 games. Then, he's got to prove that he can play well when that pounding gets a lot tougher in the playoffs. Finally, he's got to prove that he can be a leader. He can be every bit the player MJ was, but MJ made the guys around him confident that they could play better, too. Without that, Jordan doesn't have 6 rings. To me, Durant is everything Bender was advertised as, but there's more to basketball than putting the ball in the hole.
                Did Bender put up a 25 PPG in college against some very good competition on an ok team? I'm sorry but I know that you haven't seen Durant a lot if you compare him to Bender. Bender had potential but his game also had A LOT of holes. Durant has a virtually flawless offensive game that, with some polishing and maturation, is quite simply going to be amazing. Also, he just has a certain innate bball iq and feel for the game. At 6'10" he looks SO natural out there. He's never awkward. And the kid is still 18! What gets the most about Durant is that he also has that killer instinct to just flat out take over games in the last two minutes. I know I would feel better about my game if I knew I had a guy like that on my team.
                Last edited by rexnom; 07-24-2007, 12:05 AM.

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                  I pretty much see KD as an MJ/Ghandi/Muhammad Ali/Salma Hayek/Jesus/Einstein/Jimi/Bogart/Hemmingway hybrid but with more more range and better shot-blocking.
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                    Re: MAN CRUSH: ARE YOU CRUSHING ON KD

                    Originally posted by JayRedd View Post
                    I pretty much see KD as an MJ/Ghandi/Muhammad Ali/Salma Hayek/Jesus/Einstein/Jimi/Bogart/Hemmingway hybrid but with more more range and better shot-blocking.
                    I think you're severely underestimating his court vision, and possibly overrating his literary and musical abilities a tad at this point. I'm not saying he won't be a better guitar player than Jimi, but we should wait at least a year to make that call.
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                      Re: MAN CRUSH: ARE YOU CRUSHING ON KD

                      Originally posted by rexnom View Post
                      Did Bender put up a 25 PPG in college against some very good competition on an ok team? I'm sorry but I know that you haven't seen Durant a lot if you compare him to Bender. Bender had potential but his game also had A LOT of holes. Durant has a virtually flawless offensive game that, with some polishing and maturation, is quite simply going to be amazing. Also, he just has a certain innate bball iq and feel for the game. At 6'10" he looks SO natural out there. He's never awkward. And the kid is still 18! What gets the most about Durant is that he also has that killer instinct to just flat out take over games in the last two minutes. I know I would feel better about my game if I knew I had a guy like that on my team.
                      JB was never in college, so it's hard to make that comparison. By "polishing and maturation" do you mean adding 25 lbs of muscle? Look, he could very well be a hall of famer, but he hasn't done it in a regular season game yet, and people are crowning him Savior of the League. You really think guys were guarding him in an intra-squad scrimmage the same way they're going to be doing during the regular season/playoffs once they know his game?

                      All I'm saying is that if he stays at his current weight, he *may* struggle with the physical play, especially in the playoffs. And if he's able to put on enough muscle to play well under those conditions, it may effect his shot and his durability (see: JO, Bender, Smits).

                      It's still a crapshoot at this point, just like it was a couple months ago. Guy has a forgettable summer league and one solid scrimmage and all of a sudden, he's better than LeBron.

                      Man crush, indeed!

                      EDIT: Not to mention the leadership aspect. JO is a hell of a player. He really is. But if your best player (and most well-paid player) can't make the players around him better, that team isn't a contender. Case in point: Dominique Wilkins was a HELL of a player. He's a HoF'er. How many titles did he win?
                      Last edited by Eindar; 07-24-2007, 12:24 AM.

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                        Re: MAN CRUSH: ARE YOU CRUSHING ON KD

                        Originally posted by Eindar View Post
                        JB was never in college, so it's hard to make that comparison. By "polishing and maturation" do you mean adding 25 lbs of muscle? Look, he could very well be a hall of famer, but he hasn't done it in a regular season game yet, and people are crowning him Savior of the League. You really think guys were guarding him in an intra-squad scrimmage the same way they're going to be doing during the regular season/playoffs once they know his game?

                        All I'm saying is that if he stays at his current weight, he *may* struggle with the physical play, especially in the playoffs. And if he's able to put on enough muscle to play well under those conditions, it may effect his shot and his durability (see: JO, Bender, Smits).

                        It's still a crapshoot at this point, just like it was a couple months ago. Guy has a forgettable summer league and one solid scrimmage and all of a sudden, he's better than LeBron.

                        Man crush, indeed!
                        I have a total man crush on Durant...I'm not going to deny it...I'm probably overrating him. I could defend him on and on and such but I'm just going to let his ROY of the year performance next year speak for me.

                        Btw, JayRedd, I think you are underestimating KD's killer instinct. Gandhi? Really?

                        KD is more of a MJ/Alexander the Great/Muhammad Ali/Jessica Biel/Jesus/Einstein/Jimi/Bogart/Hemmingway/electric hybrid to me.

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                          Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                          I think you're severely underestimating his court vision, and possibly overrating his literary and musical abilities a tad at this point. I'm not saying he won't be a better guitar player than Jimi, but we should wait at least a year to make that call.
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                            I think comparing Bender to Durant is a little like comparing Michael Jordan to Harold Minor. No make that Michael Jordan to Steve McNichols.

                            You say you don't know who Steve McNichols is. Exactly, that is my point

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                              Having seen him play about a dozen times, I love the kid's game. But
                              he'll never be Jordan. He's not even close to the explosive athlete
                              Jordan was.

                              He'll be a tremendous offensive player. But to be great, he'll have to
                              get much better defensively (no surprise for a 19-yr old) and quite
                              a bit stronger. Otherwise, he'll be giving them up on the other end
                              about as fast as he scores them.

                              I can't wait to watch him play though. He's got a full toolbox when
                              it comes to his offensive skills (as opposed to Bender, who's midrange
                              abilities were non-existent).

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