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  • #16
    Re: Most of you will love this. Wells latest blog

    He even kept the curtains around the practice court open, allowing fans on the outside to get sneak peak at the team.
    Now he tells me. Guess I might have to check in there after summer league to see if anyone is around.

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    • #17
      Re: Most of you will love this. Wells latest blog

      You know where Obie is much better than Carslisle? Dealing with the media.

      Now, Rick was always nice and friendly and he's a good analyst, but he was very "protective" of his guys and kept his hand close to his chest.

      Obie loves to set up photo ops, cultivate relationships, and talk to the media.

      I guess we know why he's a survivor and keeps getting jobs.
      2010 IKL Fantasy Basketball Champion Baltimore Bulldogs

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      • #18
        Re: Most of you will love this. Wells latest blog

        Originally posted by wintermute View Post
        what? we're asking mo williams to come play backup pg for us? and to take less money too? no wonder we're not finding success in free agency

        it's pretty weird seeing mike wells write sunshiny articles.
        Indeed. I feel very .

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        • #19
          Re: Most of you will love this. Wells latest blog

          Originally posted by bulldog View Post
          You know where Obie is much better than Carslisle? Dealing with the media.

          Now, Rick was always nice and friendly and he's a good analyst, but he was very "protective" of his guys and kept his hand close to his chest.

          Obie loves to set up photo ops, cultivate relationships, and talk to the media.

          I guess we know why he's a survivor and keeps getting jobs.
          I don't think that's really accurate though. I mean he got the hard dump in Philly after a +500 season for team that was clearly in a tough spot, and was sitting out doing small writing jobs for ESPN. He hasn't even done as much with the NBA as Bob Hill. Until Bird pulled him out of nowhere off a couple of phone calls he wasn't in the coaching replacement buzz since the Philly job.


          I don't know what to think about the open practice. I don't think it's inherently wrong, but unlike Wells I don't see it as inherently better either. Sure we like it but I'm sure plenty of coaches keep it closed and for good reasons.



          On the Rush/Kapono comment, I actually think it's right to criticize Wells here a bit. Based on recent history Showtime's point is dead-on. Kapono is so good at his one dimension that he fits in an NBA plan, while Rush's streaky shooting wasn't compensated by anything else he did because none of it was good enough to have a major impact.

          This MIGHT end up being a new Rush, but it will be a rebirth for him if it is, not a natural progression. We all hope it works out for both sides, but it's WAY too early to expect it to be this way. Right now Kapono remains the far better choice, especially considering who Rush is going off the dribble against.

          When Rush shoots anywhere close to Kapono's rate AND can get by Billups from time to time, then I'll listen to that angle. Until then I'm very tenative on the acquisition.

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          • #20
            Re: Most of you will love this. Wells latest blog

            I think 07-08 is going to be a fun season for Pacers basketball. Regardless of wins and losses, it's definitely a new era here. We're finally going to see the kind of basketball we've been wanting to see here for some time. I think we'll be better for two reasons: 1. The players will have fun 2. Because the players will have fun playing, the fans will have fun watching and cheering.

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            • #21
              Re: Most of you will love this. Wells latest blog

              Originally posted by The_Showtime View Post
              It seems to me I got hate because I'm a Lakers fan, and not a Pacers fan in a Pacers forum.
              Maybe so, let's ask PD members of other teams that post here like DisplacedKnick 5,972 posts, or Grace (Bulls fan) with 4,113 posts, or Kstat (dreaded Piston's fan) with 13, 431 posts, or Robertmto (Wiz fan) with 3,736 posts, etc.

              Showtime, I didn't say you're a troll. I said your first post in this thread had a troll feel, but your second post is what makes this a good site.
              You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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              • #22
                Re: Most of you will love this. Wells latest blog

                Originally posted by MagicRat View Post
                Booooooo.....
                I'm not going to bait you.
                Narf!

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                • #23
                  Re: Most of you will love this. Wells latest blog

                  Originally posted by Robobtowncolt View Post
                  I'm not going to bait you.
                  If you ignore me, hopefully I'll go away....
                  PSN: MRat731 XBL: MRat0731

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                  • #24
                    Re: Most of you will love this. Wells latest blog

                    "--Kareem Rush isn’t as good of a pure shooter as Jason Kapono, but I like his acquisition better because he’s not a one-dimensional player. Rush can put the ball on the ground and attack the basket. Kapono isn’t effective if you take away his shot."

                    I think when it's all said and done Pacers fans are going to like that TPTB got Rush at a bargain basement price over Kapono. Maybe we will start to see more options during crunch time instead of the old standard "toss up a 18-20 footer and pray that it's the game winner".

                    For my money, I'd much rather see a team force the defense to protect the basket from cutters and slasher in the final minutes of a game than I would a team just settle for jump shots. The only way you put a team back on its heals is if you force it to defend you. Having a few slashing options will do that because you're no longer just 1 or 2 dimentional. Add in a slasher when you already have a low-post presence, as well as a deep ball threat and you can throw a team so far off balance it ain't even funny! IMO, adding someone like Rush to the mix - someone who can shoot the deep ball as well as slash to the basket (provided he pans out, of course) - can be a dangerous weapon to have indeed.
                    Last edited by NuffSaid; 07-09-2007, 12:39 PM.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Most of you will love this. Wells latest blog

                      Originally posted by MagicRat View Post
                      Resident Troll
                      Hey, just because we signed a Kareem means you can take down your avy.

                      BOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

                      (I like the cotton candy hair, though.)
                      Last edited by Kegboy; 07-09-2007, 12:33 PM.
                      Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!

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                      • #26
                        Re: Most of you will love this. Wells latest blog

                        Originally posted by Kegboy View Post
                        Hey, just because we signed a Kareem means you can take down your avy.

                        BOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

                        (I like the cotton candy hair, though.)
                        uh oh..... Now you've done it, that troll picture and yours make for a wicked mix, beware of who you try to scare!
                        So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Most of you will love this. Wells latest blog

                          Originally posted by The_Showtime View Post
                          You didn't even give an opportunity to explain. Like I said, I wasn't directing at the direction of the Pacers organization. I was laughing at the writer of the article who thinks Kareem Rush is more important to a team than Jason Kapono.

                          C'com, are you guys really this sensitive from a fan who just expressed his honesty about certain players who he knew because he once played for us? The writer hyped up and put too much hope in Kareem. From my opinion, when he played for the Lakers, he is a team cancer. Why? because he is lazy and he thinks he has the skill and talent to be a Lakers starter. But in what position he wants? he can't play PG because he has no playmaker or passing ability. He wants to replace Kobe which are one of the reasons he got shipped out of LA.

                          The guy is a streaky shooter as hell. When he's hot, he can makes 3 with the best of them. But when he's not, don't be surprise of him having a 10-20 game of lackluster performance, while probably not showing up ready for practice.

                          That is just my 2 cents btw.
                          It's easy to take things for granted when they've been handed to you. But hopefully the time overseas will serve as a wakeup call, since he's had to work his way back. People don't have to be slaves to their past performance. What Rush was as a Laker and as a Bobcat will be as irrelevant as he wants it to be. But this could likely be the defining moment in his career. If there was ever a more tailor made situation than Indiana for him, I don't know where it would be. We are dreadfully thin at the 2, have been playing people out of position there about since Reggie retired, and he brings a skill set to the table that we sorely need. As to the Kapono comparison, I think it's valid from a talent perspective moreso than a past performance perspective. Kapono brings one thing to the table, and that's all. Rush has more all around game than he has, even if he's not the same shooter. I think this will work out as much as Rush allows it to.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Most of you will love this. Wells latest blog

                            Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                            I don't know what to think about the open practice. I don't think it's inherently wrong, but unlike Wells I don't see it as inherently better either. Sure we like it but I'm sure plenty of coaches keep it closed and for good reasons.
                            I'm glad he's having open practices. I think the fans will enjoy that more than the closed-door policy that alot of coaches have and right now, our organization needs all the positive pub that it can get.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Most of you will love this. Wells latest blog

                              I'd be surprised if all practices are open to the public or even the media. Larry Brown opened up training camp practices back when he coached the Pacers and one of my best memories was going to watch one of the practices in Larry's first season up at Purdue. That was one of the best things I ever did and wow Antonio Davis was a revelation at the time. But watching Larry Brown conduct practices was something I'll never forget.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Most of you will love this. Wells latest blog

                                A few points -

                                On open practices: don't expect open practices once the season begins.

                                On the article being "sunshiny": I don't believe that it is. It just seems like reporting to me. So why does it seem "sunshiny"? I think hearing the contrasts between O'Brien's style and Carlisle's style is making all of us giddy from the change. These changes may not equate to wins. It's just different and anything different is being interpreted as good right now.

                                Enjoy it while it lasts, but please don't get too excited. When we start the season 8-12, don't blow your top either. This will take a while.

                                We'll inevitably find out if pushing the ball up, stepping back for the 3, revealing methods and style to the press through open practices, and/or overworking your players in practice are good things. Every one of those things could be bad depending on the players you have to work with.

                                (Example: stepping back for the 3 ain't such a great idea if none of your players shoot above 40% from 3 and above 50% for wide open 3's.)

                                That said, I don't think there is a single thing wrong with emphasizing hand use on D. That's good all around.
                                “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” - Winston Churchill

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