The Rules of Pacers Digest

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Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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  • 5-13-04

    Turkoglu has downsized game

    By Terry Brown
    NBA Insider
    Thursday, May 13
    Updated: May 13
    12:45 PM ET

    What are they putting in the water in Miami? Is Jack Nicholson calling the shots in L.A.? And why are Kerry Kittles and Kenyon Martin kissing?

    Here eight questions from the NBA playoffs that you wanted to know but were afraid to ask.

    Is Hedo Turkoglu allergic to layups?
    The San Antonio Spurs may list him as a shooting guard or small forward and he may have finished the season with the eighth-best 3-point shooting percentage in the league, but that doesn't change the fact that Hedo Turkoglu is still 6-foot-10. He is three inches taller than back-up center Malik Rose. He's only two inches shorter than starting center Rasho Nesterovic. But all he's doing these days is lofting up 3-point bombs.

    Hedo Turkoglu
    San Antonio Spurs

    80 9.2 4.5 1.9 .406 .708

    Last year, in his final season with the Kings, Hedo took 78 3-point shots of his 391 total field goal attempts. That's 20 percent of his offensive game. This year as a Spur, he increased that to 37.3 percent (241 3-point attempts of 645 total shots). In the playoffs, he's increased that even further to 50 percent. And so far in this series against the Lakers, he's at 54.2 percent. Of the 35 shots he's taken in four games, 19 of them have been from long range. And to make matters worse, in the last game, he took 14 shots and eight of them were from 3-point land. That's 57.1 percent.

    What did they use to spike Caron Butler's protein drink?
    Caron Butler averaged 4.8 rebounds per game this year. He's averaged five rebounds per game over his career. But now that the playoffs are in full swing, the 6-foot-7 small forward is leading the undersized Miami Heat in the category (tied with Brian Grant) at 8.7 per contest.

    And it isn't as if Lamar Odom and Grant are slacking in that regard, either. Those two, playing positions above their heights and weights, are still grabbing 16.9 combined. But the boost that Butler is giving the Heat has resulted in a rebounding margin of plus 2.4 over their opponents. During the regular season, they were at plus 0.3.

    Are Devean George and Kareem Rush on the Hollywood blacklist?
    It's no secret that Los Angeles Lakers forward Devean George still needs pictured instructions to tie his shoes and that sub Kareem Rush still jumps any time Tim Duncan says boo. But it's also true that these two, combined, are shooting 45.1 percent from 3-point during the playoffs, going 14-for-31 against the Rockets and Spurs. The surprise is that while the rest of the Laker squad is shooting 28.7 percent from long range (23 of 80), George and Rush are getting only 3.4 total attempts per contest.

    When did Jamaal Tinsley sign his deal with the Devil?

    Indiana Pacers point guard Jamaal Tinsley shot 38 percent from the field as a rookie. He shot 39 percent the very next year. This season, he shot 41 percent to bring his career average to 39.3 percent. But so far in eight playoff games, the 6-foot-3 guard has made 51 percent of his shots, including an amazing 48.2 percent of his 3-pointers and has yet to miss a free throw. And it gets better. Against the Heat, he is shooting 62 percent from the field and 60 percent from long range.

    Who nominated 198-pound Richard Hamilton to carry the Pistons?
    Everyone knows the Pistons have trouble scoring at times. But that's why they gave Chauncey Billups, a career 40 percent shooter, the green light. That's why they picked up Rasheed Wallace. That's why they told Ben Wallace to shoot the ball. Right? Well, how come the Pistons, who took 77 shots per game during the regular season, are now taking only 75.7 during the playoffs? How come Richard Hamilton, who has taken 14.4 shots per game over his career including 14.9 this season, is taking 15.5 during these playoffs despite the reduced number of attempts by the team?

    Even more curious is the type of shots he is taking. Long known as a mid-range specialist, Hamilton need only 18 3-pointers in 78 games this year to reach 1,375 points. So far in the playoffs, he's made six 3-pointers in only nine games. And after shooting 4.4 free throws per game over his career, he is now taking 6.7 per game during these same playoffs. He is taking the big shots. He is getting to the rim. Don't get me wrong, Hamilton is converting. But what are the rest of the Pistons doing?

    Who died and made Chris Webber king?
    During the regular season, the Sacramento Kings scored 102.8 points per game (second highest in the league to the Dallas Mavericks) on 46.2 percent shooting from the field (second best in the league to the Minnesota Timberwolves). Layups were frequent, jump shots were clear and everybody was happy to share. In fact, the Kings led the league in assist per game at a whopping 26.2 per contest led by the pivot combination of Vlade Divac and Brad Miller who combined for 9.6 assists per game.

    Of course, they were in the pivot because Chris Webber was injured and only able to play 23 of their 82 games. But now that Webber is back, the roles of Miller and Divac have been reduced. They are now playing a combined 49 minutes per playoff game instead of the 65 they got during the regular season. And as a direct result, the two are totaling only 4.9 assists per game. The team is totaling 22.7 assists per game. And, no surprise, the team is now scoring 98.2 points per game on 43 percent shooting.

    Are Kerry Kittles and Kenyon Martin long-lost cousins?

    You know about Jason Kidd and Kenyon Martin and, recently, Richard Jefferson. But now that the Nets have evened up their series with the Pistons, it's about time we noticed Kerry Kittles. Not for his shooting or his passing or the fact that the Nets passed up on Kobe Bryant to draft him. But because he is arguably playing better or as good of defense as the renowned Martin.

    In fact, his 1.7 steals and one block per game are helping the Nets hold opponents to a playoff-low 38.7 percent shooting from the field and 27.9 percent shooting from long range. Remember, during the regular season, the Spurs held opponents to a league low of 40.9 percent from the field and the Pistons held opponents to a league low 30.2 percent from long range. The Nets were fifth and 18th, respectively, in those categories. But in these here playoffs, they are doing better than the Pistons and the Spurs, and Kittles is establishing new playoff marks in those categories.

    Where did Trenton Hassell learn how to shoot?
    He's never made more than nine baskets in a game in his professional career. He's never even tried more than 14 in a game. So we can understand why they'd refer to Trenton Hassell as a defensive specialist after all that time with the Chicago Bulls shooting 40 percent from the field and scoring 6.3 points per game over two seasons.

    But in nine playoff games with the Minnesota Timberwolves, Hassell is shooting 54 percent from the field and scoring 13.5 points per game against the Kings. That's almost three times as many points he scored during the regular season when he started 74 of 81 games and tallied only five points per contest. Heck, his season high for 2004 was 15 points against the Phoenix Suns back on Jan. 25.

  • #2
    Re: 5-13-04

    If I were to ever meet Terry Brown... it would take all of my strenghth to not punch him. He's a :moron: .

    Hicks, I would have used a "clown" smiley here if we had one. Hint. Hint.

    Oh, and the answer is simple: Chuck Person's coaching.

    Really, I need a :bozo: smiley.
    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
    And life itself, rushing over me
    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you