The Rules of Pacers Digest

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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
Title of the Article
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And I would put the pasted article in quotes like this.
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Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Pistol Pete - you guys should have seen him

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  • #16
    Re: Pistol Pete - you guys should have seen him

    Originally posted by Kstat View Post
    As I recall he once turned Walt Frazier into his personal whipping boy to the tune of 68 points.

    As hall of famers go, Maravich may be the most underrated. He was widely resented in the 70's and I think that kept him from getting the same just due that guys like Connie Hawkins and Earl monroe did.
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    • #17
      Re: Pistol Pete - you guys should have seen him

      My dad did see Maravich, and he insists that Nash is better.

      For what it's worth.


      • #18
        Re: Pistol Pete - you guys should have seen him

        Steve Nash and Bob Cousey were essentially the same player.

        It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

        Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
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        • #19
          Re: Pistol Pete - you guys should have seen him

          Regardless of the memories or feelings all of you have towards Pistol Pete, PacersFan83 brings some great points to the table. He was an extremely talented shooter and was important in making basketball as popular as it is now, however if he was in the league today, I think people would be grouping him with the other selfish players who have never won anything and take a lot of shots. No question.


          • #20
            Re: Pistol Pete - you guys should have seen him

            I haven't seen much of Maravich myself, but the way some people describe him, he sounds like a rich man's Jason Williams (White Chocolate).


            • #21
              Re: Pistol Pete - you guys should have seen him

              I remember seeing Maravich play. There was a story about how he was almost Dr Js team mate and went through training camp with him before the NBA said Dr Js rights belonged Milwaukee.

              The Hawks defied the league a third time, on September 30, when Erving suited up to play the ABA?s Carolina Cougars in Raleigh, North Carolina. Future basketball legend David Thompson, entering his sophomore year at N.C. State, was in the bleachers at Reynolds Coliseum and looked on in amazement.

              ?Man, it was insane. Those two just played like they had been teammates forever,? Thompson recalled. ?Pete was awesome. He was everything I had read about and more. He was 6-5 but could handle the ball and was quick, and could jump. People don?t realize how high he could jump. He could shoot anywhere from across the half court line.?

              Maravich?s deft passing was particularly impressive to Thompson. He remembered Maravich dribbling hard on a fast break, flanked by Erving and Hudson. At the top of the key, Maravich head faked the Carolina defender, locked both elbows as he looked right but threw left ? a perfect bounce pass to Erving. Pete?s old ?wrist-pass? was still effective.

              Erving explained to Friedman, ?I would just grab a rebound, throw it out to Pete, and get on the wing. Pete would always find you. He got his points, but he loved to pass the ball. He could hit you in full stride in a place where you could do something with the ball. That was a measure of his greatness.?

              Go read the whole article. I will take DrJs and David Thompssons word on Pete!
              "He wanted to get to that money time. Time when the hardware was on the table. That's when Roger was going to show up. So all we needed to do was stay close"
              Darnell Hillman (Speaking of former teammate Roger Brown)


              • #22
                Re: Pistol Pete - you guys should have seen him

                Some of the ignorance from our apparently-younger posters in this thread astonishes me.

                Pistol Pete was one of my heros growing up. Of course, my Dad was also one of my coaches through high school and was an "unofficial" member of my college track team's coaching staff, so I related to some of the pressures (and ill-conceived criticisms like the ones above) that Pistol Pete faced every day so I looked to guys like Pete, Alford (back when I respected him, before he made a mockery of coaching while at Manchester), etc. for inspiration. Maybe I'm a bit biased. So be it.

                Pistol died at a young age, of a heart attack, while playing ... a pickup game of basketball.

                Guys in the NBA today act like they don't even enjoy playing the game; but Pistol couldn't get enough of the game he loved, even with a mangled knee.

                Was he selfish, or was he the only decent player on some truly God-awful teams? This wasn't the post-CBS version of the NBA, where the salary cap was finally leveling the playing field and there was plenty of national television exposure to go around.

                This was the 1970s version of the NBA, which had numerous problems fielding competitive, drug-free teams and had very restricted free-agency rules. It wasn't Pistol's fault that he played for awful Hawks and New Orleans Jazz teams.

                Pistol is a very worthy member of the Hall of Fame.

                Keep in mind that if you're going to criticize him for having the green light to shoot in college, that LSU had no other capable offensive scorers, and the defense knew it and played a lot of zones (triangle-two's) or triple-teams just to limit Pete to 45 points per game or so.
                Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                And life itself, rushing over me
                Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you


                • #23
                  Re: Pistol Pete - you guys should have seen him

                  Just for the record, I did not mean to slam Pistol Pete in my posts, I more meant to bring up the question of how he would be viewed today?

                  He was the Allen Iverson of the 70s in many ways. His style of play made a lot of people angry, like Iverson's tattoos, hairstyle and also style of play. He was a showman, who took a lot of shots and put up incredible stats but never won anything. Would people say what they say about him now if he was in the middle of his career currently instead of during that time? What would people be saying when he was taking almost 30 shots a game for a sub 500 team? Even though he wasn't surrounded with any talent, which is a valid excuse, would that be excused today? AI gets slammed by people on this board and he can use the exact same excuse- and he got his team to the finals.

                  I don't know the answer to all these questions, I just think its a very interesting thing to think about.


                  • #24
                    Re: Pistol Pete - you guys should have seen him

                    Iverson is a great comparison for Pete. But Iverson had a well-coached team that was built around him and he took them to the NBA Finals.

                    Imagine if Iverson spent his entire career with a roster that resembled this year's Sixers? That might still be better than fate that was given to Pete.

                    People that actually followed the NBA then (all fifty of them, nationwide) understood what was going on. I'm sure the rest of the casual sports fans in the country might have found things to criticize.

                    If there were more people paying attention to the NBA then, perhaps Atlanta and New Orleans wouldn't have been able to get away with having such awful franchises. But they (like the Pacers, Cavs, Kansas City, Buffalo, and others) probably made just enough ticket revenue when the big market teams came to town to make it a worthwhile business venture (and pre-salary cap they didn't spend more on payroll because there was no "bang for the buck" - the big market teams were going to win anyway so why waste extra money on payroll?)

                    This isn't even "your father's NBA". This was "your grandfather's NBA", and it had serious problems that weren't solved until the postive effects of the salary cap began working through the entire league. Remember, at that time basketball lagged so far behind baseball that it was in danger of falling behind hockey into being the nations "#4" sport. Now its a solid #2 and baseball faces that risk.
                    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                    And life itself, rushing over me
                    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you


                    • #25
                      Re: Pistol Pete - you guys should have seen him

                      Man, i just saw that 68 point game of his and it was just
                      Most ridicilous game, high scoring game and shots ive seen in my life...

                      Almost all of his baskets he made was 15-25 foot shots, fadeaways, sky-hooks, double pumps shots, left handed shots, throwing shots behind the back over the head and swisch! hiting shots sometimes without even looking at the basket over frasier & over double teams & over tripple teams, dribbling all over the coart and braking ankles of 5 defenders with crossovers, he did great passes, great rebounds, great steals, great blocks, the layups resulted with AND 1 all the time, he then twists his ankle and gets up and scores even more, then he gets fouled out, he made at least 15 shots from 25 feet or so and if there was a 3PT line he would get at least 100.....
                      And LOL @ young Phil Jackson & Bevetta!

                      I can go and die now, honestly... there is nothing that can entertain me more after seeing this game. Thank you Pete