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  • #16
    Re: Odd thoughts from the Warriors game....

    Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
    This is what I saw last night - the Pacers ran a lot of pick and rolls with JT and Murph - but JT was reluctant to pass the ball to him. Tinsley is dominating the ball. Peck, look at how different the Pacers look when DA is in the game - DA moves the ball and gets others involved.
    Ladies and Gentleman, I refer you to this thread:

    http://pacersdigest.com/showthread.p...712#post532712

    imawhat: I thought there were a few times that Dunleavy was wide open and Tinsley refused to pass him the ball. At least I couldn't see Jackson or Harrington not getting the ball in the same situation.

    tadscout:


    Me: imawhat, yeah, there were a few times. Also, one glaring snub, to me, was when Troy first came into the game. He backed got position on Malik Rose, then proceeded to back him all the way into the paint. He was a step from a ctach, turn and shoot, with a shot about 3-4 feet from the rim. Jamall pounded the ball looking at him, as if trying to decide, then dribbled to the other side of the corcle, where JO was. Anyone else remember that.

    Yeah, Mel-Mel was definitly looking for only his buddy.



    This is my biggest damper on the new look Pacers. If Jamaal is only going to pass the ball to his homiez, then we are in big trouble. We ARE in big trouble. I am so hopeful again for this team, but as long as it's led by Jamaal Iverson, I can't bring myself TOTALLY back into the sunshine.

    I'm sorry. Not trying to thread hijack, and make this an Tinsley thread, but maybe I'm not the only one seeing a pattern now? Tinsley's the cool kid in school and Troy and Dunleavy are the mid-semester transfer students who don't get any slack.
    Hey! What're you kicking me for? You want me to ask? All right, I'll ask! Ma'am, where do the high school girls hang out in this town?

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    • #17
      Re: Odd thoughts from the Warriors game....

      Originally posted by RWB View Post
      6th, did you yell? Did you feel pride in your city/state while you were there? Of course you did and my reasoning is if people couldn't back a Super Bowl winning team then how in the heck would they ever support what the blue and gold has been previous to the trades.
      Exactly. If this was reversed and a Colts fan from Indy couldn't feel good about an NBA championship for the Pacers, I would think the lesser of the fellow.

      Also let's face it, in America the Super Bowl is a huge deal. You only have to look at the TV ratings nationally and locally to stamp that opinion as fact.

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      • #18
        Re: Odd thoughts from the Warriors game....

        Originally posted by Skaut_Ech
        Ladies and Gentleman, I refer you to this thread:

        http://pacersdigest.com/showthread.p...712#post532712

        imawhat: I thought there were a few times that Dunleavy was wide open and Tinsley refused to pass him the ball. At least I couldn't see Jackson or Harrington not getting the ball in the same situation.

        tadscout:

        Me: imawhat, yeah, there were a few times. Also, one glaring snub, to me, was when Troy first came into the game. He backed got position on Malik Rose, then proceeded to back him all the way into the paint. He was a step from a ctach, turn and shoot, with a shot about 3-4 feet from the rim. Jamall pounded the ball looking at him, as if trying to decide, then dribbled to the other side of the corcle, where JO was. Anyone else remember that.

        Yeah, Mel-Mel was definitly looking for only his buddy.



        This is my biggest damper on the new look Pacers. If Jamaal is only going to pass the ball to his homiez, then we are in big trouble. We ARE in big trouble. I am so hopeful again for this team, but as long as it's led by Jamaal Iverson, I can't bring myself TOTALLY back into the sunshine.

        I'm sorry. Not trying to thread hijack, and make this an Tinsley thread, but maybe I'm not the only one seeing a pattern now? Tinsley's the cool kid in school and Troy and Dunleavy are the mid-semester transfer students who don't get any slack.
        Yeah, like I have been saying all along, Tinman has to go in order for this team to really start over. He is a part of the past click of players who wouldn't pass the ball to wide open players because they were not his homey's.

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        • #19
          Re: Odd thoughts from the Warriors game....

          Originally posted by RWB View Post
          This answer by Hicks should be framed.

          It's funny one of the things that makes the Pacers special is this forum created by Hicks, Able, and we the die hard fans. I mean parties are setup (thanks Jose) to sit down and just talk Pacers. That's pretty unique.

          Football has an advantage. Every Sunday you have tailgate parties hours before the game. We have a tight membership, but can't compete with what amounts to a forum party at least 8 Sundays in a season. It makes a heck of a difference in fan support when you can share your enjoyment with others who feel the same.

          If the Pacers want to create that rabid fan loyalty then they need to create that tailgate mentality somehow with the fan base. The Colts have the Blue Crew, Colt Nation, Colt Power fan clubs. What fan base or clubs do the PAcers have? The answer is the membership of PD and the survivors on the Star site. If it bothers us so much maybe it's time to create an area at Conseco that PD members can gather before the game to build on that kinship.
          The concept is great, but the logistical problem is that the NFL has 8 home games, and they're almost always on a weekend in the afternoon. Prime setup for parties.

          The NBA, on the other hand, has 41 home games, and many are on weekdays, and later in the evening. That makes it tough to generate that kind of atmosphere.

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          • #20
            Re: Odd thoughts from the Warriors game....

            Originally posted by Hicks View Post
            The concept is great, but the logistical problem is that the NFL has 8 home games, and they're almost always on a weekend in the afternoon. Prime setup for parties.

            The NBA, on the other hand, has 41 home games, and many are on weekdays, and later in the evening. That makes it tough to generate that kind of atmosphere.
            You can get it during the playoffs. This year people were tailgating before NHL playoffs games in Buffalo.
            Slug 'em Sabres!!!!!
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            • #21
              Re: Odd thoughts from the Warriors game....

              Post Trade Tinsley:
              8 games
              5-3 record
              14.6 shots per game
              .462 FG%
              .400 3pt%
              .780 FT%
              7.0 APG
              2.3 SPG
              18.3 PPG
              I'm in these bands
              The Humans
              Dr. Goldfoot
              The Bar Brawlers
              ME

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              • #22
                Re: Odd thoughts from the Warriors game....

                I know the Pacers use to promote a fan club for the younguns, but do they have a fan club like the Colts Blue Crew that I'm not aware of?
                You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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                • #23
                  Re: Odd thoughts from the Warriors game....

                  [QUOTE=Unclebuck;540441]I'll get to the Pacers offense a little later.

                  "And yes I was a little teed off that the victory parade was on at the exact same time as the Pacers game last night. "

                  UB: They had to have the Super Bowl Party when they did because of the players who had to leave Tuesday morning for the Pro Bowl. There really wasn't anything else they could do.

                  PS: Its a good thing people didn't attend the Pacers game anyway. It wasn't worth watching. All I can say is I hope TPTB make another trade or two before the deadline. I believe we need to move 2 specific guys on this team to really start over right.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Odd thoughts from the Warriors game....

                    Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                    I agree completely with the assessment of Tinsley and the offense in general. It's sickening. And it's on Rick's head for either implementing it or not dealing with it if it's Tinsley's fault.
                    Tinsley's stats for the last three games:

                    DateOpponentScoreGSMin
                    M A Pct
                    M A Pct
                    M A Pct
                    Off Def Tot
                    Ast TO Stl Blk PF Pts
                    Feb 5 GSW L 98-113 1 34:45
                    9 24 37.5
                    0 2 0.0
                    4 4 100.0
                    1 1 2
                    10 4 4 2 4 22
                    Feb 3 @ MEM W 116-110 1 34:24
                    10 16 62.5
                    2 2 100.0
                    3 7 42.9
                    1 1 2
                    9 4 0 0 2 25
                    Feb 2 LAL W 95-84 1 32:54
                    6 14 42.9
                    1 2 50.0
                    3 6 50.0
                    1 3 4
                    6 5 2 0 2 16

                    The glaring difference of course is in shot attempts. Let's look at some team stats:

                    Feb 2: 34-79 21 total assists
                    Feb 3: 45-85 15 total assists
                    Feb 5: 37-85 24 total assists

                    Last night, he took a disproportionate share of shots (50% more than the past couple of games where he played well), and this is what gives the sense that he's a ballhog. I think the pretty clear message is: Jamal, limit yourself to 12-16 shot attempts per game. You shouldn't be taking a quarter of the shots in the game. I wonder if he enters the game thinking "I need around 20 points, and I'll continue to shoot until I get there."

                    The problem is, unlike someone like Dunleavy, whose job it is to shoot, Tinsley should force more ball movement first, and shoot second. I'm hopeful that he can improve on this, but we've seen this pattern far too often.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Odd thoughts from the Warriors game....

                      Originally posted by sixthman View Post
                      As to feeling that the Colts deliberately disrespected the Pacers...I don't think so.

                      I don't think for one moment the Colts purposely planned the parade and dome thing to conflict with a Pacers game. No way would the Colts do that. In fact the plan was to start the parade at 4:00 or 4:30 at the latest and then the dome thing would have been over by 6:15.

                      My only point is the Colts and the city never considered the fact that the Pacers had a game - and why should they. But if the roles were reversed - the Pacers would have changed the time of the celebration as to not interfere with a Colts regular season Sunday afternoon game.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Odd thoughts from the Warriors game....

                        Originally posted by docpaul View Post
                        The problem is, unlike someone like Dunleavy, whose job it is to shoot,
                        If that is his job then we are in a world of trouble - because he isn't a shooter. Granger and Murphy are much better shooters - Dunleavy is a multi-diminsional player - as evidence by his 13 rebounds and 7 assists. When was the last time we have a shooting guard/small forward get 13 rebounds. - never

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                        • #27
                          Re: Odd thoughts from the Warriors game....

                          That game was aggrivating.

                          Talk about having one of those "flat" nights. Ugh.

                          So I watched most of the game in "fast forward."

                          I did stop to enjoy Jeff's flagrant foul on Jackson (is that the first time he's ever put a body on someone? Still, I liked it) and Armstrong's block.

                          Gotta find something positive, and I certainly enjoyed both of those plays.

                          Every six to eight games, Jackson can shoot with the best of them. The problem is that he keeps trying the other five to seven games.

                          For the portion of the game that I watched at regular speed, Quinn made me laugh. It was funny to me how every time Jackson got the ball Quinn was encouraging the team to make him put the ball on the floor. However, for as turnover prone as he is, we didn't force him into mistakes that he normally makes.

                          Oh well, glad to see those guy put up big "individual" performances. The Pacers were flat as a pancake last night but are playing better team ball than they were before the trade. Good riddance.

                          PS - Not having Baron Davis in *that* particular game was a big boost for the Warriors. Not only did Jackson and Harrington get the ball early and often, but Tinsley - with Granger, Murphy, and Dunleavy MIA in the first quarter, got suckered into selfish play.

                          PPS - The revamped Pacers are really missing Marquis Daniels.
                          Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                          Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                          Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                          Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                          And life itself, rushing over me
                          Life itself, the wind in black elms,
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                          • #28
                            Re: Odd thoughts from the Warriors game....

                            Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                            If that is his job then we are in a world of trouble - because he isn't a shooter. Granger and Murphy are much better shooters - Dunleavy is a multi-diminsional player - as evidence by his 13 rebounds and 7 assists. When was the last time we have a shooting guard/small forward get 13 rebounds. - never
                            Well, I won't belabor this too much, but I'm a bit reluctant to pre-judge his shooting ability given that he still seems to lack confidence and mojo, but I'm personally expecting his shooting to improve. He's got a lot of work to do to sort through all the bad experiences he had at GSW, methinks. I remember him back @ Duke though, and this kid can definitely play.

                            He's picking up 13 boards last night though b/c Murphy was scared poop-less that someone was going to jack his nose again. Not the attitude we'd want a board-hound to have.. heh.

                            The point I was trying to make though, was that if the Pacers are going to run their offense through the PG, the PG needs to understand that they can't end up taking a quarter of the shots. That's the primary job of the other four players on the court. He should be taking no more than 15-20% of the shots.

                            Maybe I'm crazy, but I think that is a solvable problem. When Tinsley keeps around 15-20% total team shot percentage, .500+ night games for him will be gravy, and we can give kids like Granger and Diogu a chance to develop their offensive game.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Odd thoughts from the Warriors game....

                              Just getting rid of Jackson and Saras made our team better, long-term. But we do need Murphy and Dunleavy to show up in the first half if we want our team to be improved *this season*.
                              Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                              Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                              Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                              Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                              And life itself, rushing over me
                              Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                              Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                              • #30
                                Re: Odd thoughts from the Warriors game....

                                I know I read somewhere that Al Harrington had a super bowl party here in Indiana and you have to believe that JO at least was their if not other Pacers players and were just dragging because of late night celebrating the Colts win. It just seems too coincidental that the night after the Super Bowl JO misses a practice cause of a "bruised knee" and misses the morning shootaround only to start the game and not look hampered one bit during the game? You watch we'll come out and look fantastic this next game to tell ya the truth I don't even know who we're playing next although I believe it's a western team my memory is failing me at the moment.

                                As far as whether or not i'm a Colts fan or a Pacer fan I've enjoyed both teams pretty equally I would imagine, I have always watched the pacers games during the week and the Colts on sundays and pretty much have kept that up since about 95'ish even flipping back and forth on some occasions where the Pacers and Colts games were on at the same time.

                                I'm only 22 but It kills me that the city won't support the Pacers like they do the Colts, I know they have done some things recently that really have made it hard for them to be as big of a fan as they were when Reggie was around.
                                It was pretty pathetic I went to the rally at the Dome in Indianapolis for the Colts had a great time and said out loud "well that was fun now I'm going over to Conseco to watch our pacers play, any of you guys around here going to the game? " and some of the response I got just made me shake my head the ones I recall were "who are the pacers?" "why would you wanna go watch those bums" "who cares about the pacers? go colts!!" and that's about all I could stand and quickly made my way out of the dome and just felt dejected and in disbelief that they could say those kinds of things about the Pacers.

                                The one thing I always liked about the Pacers was every year it seems like people count them out but they always find a way to pull through. It wasn't until the 61 win season that we were actually favored to win the championship but even then I still recall most of the "experts" saying the pistons were going to beat us to win the championship. The Colts on the other hand who have been favored most every year (besides this one) and always lost the games they "should have won" while pacers were beating people when they "should have lost". I don't know, but if Pacers fans are being degraded and treated as second class citizens I don't mind it I've always cheered harder for the underdog.

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