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  • Club level...what an experience :(

    You'll find a higher percentage of "true fans" cheering on their team at a sports bar than you do in the corporate luxury boxes at many NBA arenas. There is a "be seen at a costly event" factor that has nothing to do with interest or even knowledge about basketball.
    This I can agree with 100%. Normally, I sit in the balcony when I go to the games because mostly for my lack of $$. Last night I got to sit in the club seat level because my wife was rewarded at her job with the company's tickets. When she told me about the tix last week, I was immediatly not excited about the seats. To my horror, it was everything that I expected.

    -When we first got to our seats we were greeted by our server and continually asked if we wanted anything. When you normally don't buy anything at the game...this gets annoying. I eventually had to tell the woman that if I wanted anything...she would be the first to know.

    -I observed more polo shirts and ties then tee-shirts. At that point, I figured we were out of place.

    -Polite Applause only! I got looked at like I had a 3rd eye when I tried to get the chant of Defense going when the heat were making their run.

    -Got told to sit down a couple times!!! I would have gotten bitter, but my wife was elbowing me in my ribs telling me she didn't want this getting back to her job when the regulars go to the games.

    I really mean this from the bottom of my heart...I'd rather buy a balcony ticket then get a club level seat for FREE!!! Get me to the majority of the REAL FANS...not those that are there to see and be seen!!! I just hope the lower bowl is not like this, or I can see why our players sometimes get discouraged with our crowd!!!
    ...Still "flying casual"
    @roaminggnome74

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    Re: Club level...what an experience

    You'll find a higher percentage of "true fans" cheering on their team at a sports bar than you do in the corporate luxury boxes at many NBA arenas. There is a "be seen at a costly event" factor that has nothing to do with interest or even knowledge about basketball.
    This I can agree with 100%. Normally, I sit in the balcony when I go to the games because mostly for my lack of $$. Last night I got to sit in the club seat level because my wife was rewarded at her job with the company's tickets. When she told me about the tix last week, I was immediatly not excited about the seats. To my horror, it was everything that I expected.

    -When we first got to our seats we were greeted by our server and continually asked if we wanted anything. When you normally don't buy anything at the game...this gets annoying. I eventually had to tell the woman that if I wanted anything...she would be the first to know.

    -I observed more polo shirts and ties then tee-shirts. At that point, I figured we were out of place.

    -Polite Applause only! I got looked at like I had a 3rd eye when I tried to get the chant of Defense going when the heat were making their run.

    -Got told to sit down a couple times!!! I would have gotten bitter, but my wife was elbowing me in my ribs telling me she didn't want this getting back to her job when the regulars go to the games.

    I really mean this from the bottom of my heart...I'd rather buy a balcony ticket then get a club level seat for FREE!!! Get me to the majority of the REAL FANS...not those that are there to see and be seen!!! I just hope the lower bowl is not like this, or I can see why our players sometimes get discouraged with our crowd!!!

    here here

    The sad fact is that there are many people who just don't love this team.

    I could never buy a ticket and then miss the game leaving my seat empty.
    But many people wouldn't even be bothered by this

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      Re: Club level...what an experience

      The Lower bowl is a mixed bag. I've been around cheering fans (albiet mildly), and I've had people act like they're at a golf tournament. My friend sat in a diff. section than me in the 1st half (we met and sat together in the 2nd), and in the first half he actually had a guy that PULLED AT HIS SHIRT whenever he wanted to stand up and cheer for the team. Sickening.

      So, it depends. Most consistant fans are definitely in the top area though. That's where I am right now: I love certain areas of the lower bowl for the view, and I've been lucky to be near some actual fans more often than not, so I've enjoyed it. But for half the price and to be around pretty much everyone who's there to get loud, I'm willing to start just always buying upper-level seats.

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        You'll find a higher percentage of "true fans" cheering on their team at a sports bar than you do in the corporate luxury boxes at many NBA arenas. There is a "be seen at a costly event" factor that has nothing to do with interest or even knowledge about basketball.
        This I can agree with 100%. Normally, I sit in the balcony when I go to the games because mostly for my lack of $$. Last night I got to sit in the club seat level because my wife was rewarded at her job with the company's tickets. When she told me about the tix last week, I was immediatly not excited about the seats. To my horror, it was everything that I expected.

        -When we first got to our seats we were greeted by our server and continually asked if we wanted anything. When you normally don't buy anything at the game...this gets annoying. I eventually had to tell the woman that if I wanted anything...she would be the first to know.

        -I observed more polo shirts and ties then tee-shirts. At that point, I figured we were out of place.

        -Polite Applause only! I got looked at like I had a 3rd eye when I tried to get the chant of Defense going when the heat were making their run.

        -Got told to sit down a couple times!!! I would have gotten bitter, but my wife was elbowing me in my ribs telling me she didn't want this getting back to her job when the regulars go to the games.

        I really mean this from the bottom of my heart...I'd rather buy a balcony ticket then get a club level seat for FREE!!! Get me to the majority of the REAL FANS...not those that are there to see and be seen!!! I just hope the lower bowl is not like this, or I can see why our players sometimes get discouraged with our crowd!!!
        If I was told to sit down, I would've turned around and told those people to stand up. And if they didn't want to, then tough ****.

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          I think alot of people get the misconception that the upper level seats are a poor view and especially if they haven't been to Conseco. I went to a few games earlier in the year and at one game I sat 2nd row from the top , the highest I have ever had a seat for a pacers game mind you. I found the View very nice , no it wasn't the best but it was much better than MSA was when you were in the upper sections. I will agree though the lower box is a mix bag , some cheer and some just sit like a mummy and show little to no emotion , I think the fans in the Upper level are much better and some do get abit rowdy at times. The only time I had a problem with the upper levels when this one family was seprated and mom and dad sat at one end of the row and the kids at the other end , they were constantly running back and forth to mom and dad...it was alittle irratating.

          I will be attending Saturday's Game and I have tickets in Section 15 row 4 and I hope there is some good fans there on Saturday , can bet you butt I will be heckling some Heat Players on Saturday

          I can't say I have ever sat in a terriable seat it Conseco , but I can't say the same for MSA
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            Re: Club level...what an experience

            ...Conseco...MSA... I can't say I have ever sat in a terriable seat it Conseco , but I can't say the same for MSA
            I appreciate your kind words. :P

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              Re: Club level...what an experience

              They told you to SIT DOWN???
              what kinda thing is that? Like it was a opera or something. I woulda gone off, or at least stood the rest of the game out of spite. No one should tell a grown man to sit down at a nba game.

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                Lower Bowl fans = ed:
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                  They told you to SIT DOWN???
                  what kinda thing is that? Like it was a opera or something. I woulda gone off, or at least stood the rest of the game out of spite. No one should tell a grown man to sit down at a nba game.
                  If I was told to sit down, I would've turned around and told those people to stand up. And if they didn't want to, then tough ****.
                  As I mentioned earlier...The tix were given to my wife as an "atta boy" from work. The tix belong to the owner of the company my wife works for. My wife casually reminded me that getting into a "pissin' match" with these a-holes is not a good career move for her by elbowing me in the ribs and telling me as much. She basically was telling me, "I didn't buy the seats, so respect the ppl (her company) that actually own the seats that normally sit here."

                  Not worth my wife getting in trouble at her job....
                  ...Still "flying casual"
                  @roaminggnome74

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                    And i thought i was the only one who found it annoying for people to tell others to sit down. "We Can't See" well stand up then! Here in orlando i have had all that happen to me! i even had people pull down my authentic jersey! Pull on my expensive jersey! it ticks me off so much! And if i say anything they go and run to an usher and i swear i got the whole arena staff on me for telling someone to screw themselves if they want me to sit down. And i'm talking climax's of games...when it's the last 10 seconds and a teams down 1 with the ball! I Actually have to move into the aisle so i can watch! The fun part is when your the fan of the other team! like as was the case this yr when indy came to orlando or when i went to a hornets playoff game vs the magic (game 2 the only one we won , hah) I had a fan threaten to break my neck if i stood up again. Ruthless!
                    I just love the game so much and my 2 teams i can't help it. Anyone else get like that? you get so mad when your team starts messing up and choking down the stretch or just so into it you say things you wouldn't normally say? My favorite is the matches with other fans! laker ones especially

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                      Re: Club level...what an experience

                      I sit in the lower level and stand and yell whenever I please.

                      The fans around me are also generally into the game, with some few exceptions.

                      I do not worry much about them and just accept the fact that they need a little mentoring in proper behavior at a bball game.

                      Generally, if the fans in front of me are not standing, I do not stand either. I try to be as courteous to those behind me as possible. But if the team or a player deserves a standing ovation, at any point in the game, by golly this old fan is going to get out of his seat and give one

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                        Re: Club level...what an experience

                        I was reading this before the game today, since I was going to experience my first club level seats. I usually sit in the lower level where most fans are up when something exciting happens.
                        Tonight at the game I was in the first row of the club level, and the fans were pathetic, very little cheering, little clapping. The part that really ticked me off was when we stood up after the third quarter ended, and we cheered as they went to the bench, most of club level members didn't even stand as pretty much everyone else did. The people behind us told us to sit down, when the game wasn't even going on we were just cheering in between quarters. The seats and view were great, although I probably will not go back to the club level in the near future.

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                          Re: Club level...what an experience

                          The people behind us told us to sit down, when the game wasn't even going on we were just cheering in between quarters.
                          They probably wanted to see Boomer, Bowser, and the Pacers Power Pack! Or maybe the Pacemates. Don't get between a man and his Pacemates.
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                            Re: Club level...what an experience

                            Fans standing in front of you does suck when you are shorter then they are. Is it so wrong to let the ppl behind you have a good experience? Or do you have to be tall to be a BBall fan?!?

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                              Re: Club level...what an experience

                              I sit in the lower level and stand and yell whenever I please.

                              The fans around me are also generally into the game, with some few exceptions.

                              I do not worry much about them and just accept the fact that they need a little mentoring in proper behavior at a bball game.

                              Generally, if the fans in front of me are not standing, I do not stand either. I try to be as courteous to those behind me as possible. But if the team or a player deserves a standing ovation, at any point in the game, by golly this old fan is going to get out of his seat and give one
                              Exactly. I think most fans in Club and Founders are the same. They stand and cheer when others are doing the same. And if someone wants to jump up and yell encouragement to a player or dissent to a call, no one really gets bent out of shape (unless obscenities are used).

                              I have politely asked people to sit down before. But only because the four 20-somethings in front of me thought they were at a high school or college game and it was in vogue to stand 100% of the time. And standing 100% of the time is something I consider to be very rude.

                              Anyway, one of the kids told me to shut the "f" up, he'll do whatever he damn well pleases. Rather than "gently" place him in his seat, I decided to take the high ground. I offered to buy each of the four a beer if they would limit their standing to "appropriate" occassions or as option two, I informed them that I could ask one of the fine security folks to take care of the issue.

                              The young man apologized for getting out of hand, and the four guys enjoyed their beers.

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