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Post game thread - Pacers beat Hawks

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  • #16
    Re: Post game thread - Pacers beat Hawks

    Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
    They've never had a crowd below 14,000 - until tonight
    That's kind of depressing, but I guess not all that surprising. Who doesn't want to see the Hawks!?

    I would attend every game if given the chance, but considering the commute from Jersey is a more than half a day both ways, it just seems unreasonable...so, sadly I can only make 1 of every 5 games (against NJ).

    BTW, thanks for the sum-up Seth - I usually don't read them, but I felt in the mood tonight and felt it was pretty informative stuff for us out-of-staters to chew on before the official Pacers.com report blows smoke up my...well, you know where.

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    • #17
      Re: Post game thread - Pacers beat Hawks

      Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
      They've never had a crowd below 14,000 - until tonight
      Pathetic. This team is playing better ball than they did from 00-01 through 02-03, barring about 2 months at the end of 2002 before Ron flipped out the first time.

      It's also WAY better than the product looked last year after Ron's trade request. In fact even before that the team was easily as inconsistant as this version is without Ron.

      Recall the home opener loss to Philly, but then that huge win over Cleveland on Thanksgiving, and so on. It was just like this, promising and then a massive letdown of underachievement.


      Okay, you don't like Jackson and Tinsley...I'm pretty sure JO and Foster are still on the team. If Reggie Miller was on the team would these people skip it too just because of Jack and Tins? I doubt it.

      Jack and Tins are just a convenient bandwagon fan excuse that covers up the truth - they want to nap till the team wins and we wake them if there's a chance for a title run.

      Colts still had to face that same issue after the rough finish to the season. Suddenly they stuffed the Chiefs running game and they're all coming back in from the parking lot wondering if they left too soon (metaphorically).

      That's one aspect of this city that I hate (as my PD party rant about it probably proved ).

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      • #18
        Re: Post game thread - Pacers beat Hawks

        Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
        Pathetic. This team is playing better ball than they did from 00-01 through 02-03, barring about 2 months at the end of 2002 before Ron flipped out the first time.

        It's also WAY better than the product looked last year after Ron's trade request. In fact even before that the team was easily as inconsistant as this version is without Ron.

        Recall the home opener loss to Philly, but then that huge win over Cleveland on Thanksgiving, and so on. It was just like this, promising and then a massive letdown of underachievement.


        Okay, you don't like Jackson and Tinsley...I'm pretty sure JO and Foster are still on the team. If Reggie Miller was on the team would these people skip it too just because of Jack and Tins? I doubt it.

        Jack and Tins are just a convenient bandwagon fan excuse that covers up the truth - they want to nap till the team wins and we wake them if there's a chance for a title run.

        Colts still had to face that same issue after the rough finish to the season. Suddenly they stuffed the Chiefs running game and they're all coming back in from the parking lot wondering if they left too soon (metaphorically).

        That's one aspect of this city that I hate (as my PD party rant about it probably proved ).
        I said this same thing in the Colts forum, and got yelled at by an admin. Be careful with speaking the truth.

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        • #19
          Re: Post game thread - Pacers beat Hawks

          Since I'm a Jackson supporter, or at least defender, let me talk about one goofy play that he managed to save. It was just funny seeing it develop so awkwardly.

          JO was posted a bit off the low block, faced up. Jack's defender snuck deep into the lane, even across it a bit. Jack saw this and started sneaking baseline himself for the backdoor pass.

          Problem was that Tins ran through a screen just as he was doing this and then cut to the lane to pressure the help defense in a similar manner. He ended up getting right in Jack's passing lane and drawing his defender with him. Not intentional and not directly wrong, just bad timing.

          So there were Jack and Tins literally side by side in the same space and JO being forced back to the arc trying to feed them or anyone.

          Finally Jack realized the situation, came to JO to take the ball from him safely, then used JO to pick himself free against the sideline, literally using his arm to wing JO and push his way by awkwardly (there was no room left). This just looked funny, I mean JO was shoved aside in the process.

          When he got free he quickly found an open Harrington who dropped the 3. Not pretty but it shows exactly what I like about Jackson, that there are plenty of times he actually plays very smart and has enough ability and strength to deal with some tricky situations.

          He gets boneheaded too and its frustrating as hell, but when he limits that stuff to just a few times a game he is a very effective teammate. Just like Tinsley was when he controlled his shooting tonight.

          Neither need to be great in order for the team to excel, just bring solid nights of mostly positive plays. Tonight they did that.



          And the question was asked if it was the backups or the Hawks making them look good...well by the end it looked like the Hawks gave up and even before then they looked pretty stagnet and overmatched.

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          • #20
            Re: Post game thread - Pacers beat Hawks

            I was at the game tonight and I am wondering if the Pacers future point guard
            is not already on the team. I wonder if Marquis or even Green could not be the future. The starting five were really lethargic tonight in the first half.
            One of the best parts of the game was the last 3 minutes as some have
            commented already. I believe Bird does know talent and Shawne Williams has
            talent and the poise and the court awareness to be a good to great player. The two threes he hit were like the purest water you have ever drank. The form on the shot and the ball going through the net were pure. Did the net even move? Also DG has more game than he is really allowed to show. He is not looked to for offense and what he does get is by scrapping and hustling.
            Green looked solid when pressed and drove to the hoop and scored.
            Between Tinsley and Jackson I would rather keep Jackson as he plays
            defense. I think that is where the change should be made. At least bring him
            off the bench which I doubt he would accept.
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            • #21
              Re: Post game thread - Pacers beat Hawks

              Originally posted by owl View Post
              I was at the game tonight and I am wondering if the Pacers future point guard
              is not already on the team. I wonder if Marquis or even Green could not be the future. The starting five were really lethargic tonight in the first half.
              One of the best parts of the game was the last 3 minutes as some have
              commented already. I believe Bird does know talent and Shawne Williams has
              talent and the poise and the court awareness to be a good to great player. The two threes he hit were like the purest water you have ever drank. The form on the shot and the ball going through the net were pure. Did the net even move? Also DG has more game than he is really allowed to show. He is not looked to for offense and what he does get is by scrapping and hustling.
              Green looked solid when pressed and drove to the hoop and scored.
              Between Tinsley and Jackson I would rather keep Jackson as he plays
              defense. I think that is where the change should be made. At least bring him
              off the bench which I doubt he would accept.
              SOMEONE PLEASE UPLOAD THE FOOTAGE - THIS IS TORTURE!
              I really need to get a job and pay for League Pass...

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              • #22
                Re: Post game thread - Pacers beat Hawks

                Originally posted by Eindar View Post
                I said this same thing in the Colts forum, and got yelled at by an admin. Be careful with speaking the truth.
                Really? Doesn't seem like such a bad thing to point out. It's unfortunately true. Both teams have true blue cores of course (like us) but this is a city with a poor economy relative to many other cities and lacking in the recent college grad singles with disposible income that make a solid portion of event attendence.


                Owl - I do think Quis can play some PG. Not sure about starting because he's not quite that type of player, but he clearly is a solid creator with good handles. Faced against PGs like Paul I think he'd have a ton of trouble, probably more than Tinsley and with less ability to really attack them at the other end.

                But against another SG with a defensive PG on court with him? That could work pretty well, especially if your SF is a shooter like Shawne or Granger.

                And a Quis/Jack backcourt could really use it's size to intimidate other guards at both ends and get really physical with them for a little bit, nice change of pace.

                I wish my birthday was coming sooner. My wish is going to be for "good Tinsley" to move in on a permanent basis. That would solve a lot of problems right there.

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                • #23
                  Re: Post game thread - Pacers beat Hawks

                  I'd be careful about reading too much into the final 3 minutes. It was basically a pickup game by that time.


                  Edit: I'm currently watching the Mavs play the Jazz - great game by the way - but I wonder the Jazz and the pacers traded all their players and coaches would Conseco sell out every game. Is that the type of team the city wants

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                  • #24
                    Re: Post game thread - Pacers beat Hawks

                    Did anyone else know that Jack battled through the flu, and even missed the morning shootaround? I just read it in the Pacers.com recap. It's pretty damn amazing, we never hear about his ailments / injuries until after the games.

                    We should be very pleased that JO, Jamaal, and Stephen all decided to battle through their respective problems today and play effective games.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Post game thread - Pacers beat Hawks

                      Originally posted by LoneGranger33 View Post
                      Can someone please upload or download or simply load (I don't know which, I'm not up on the computer lingo) the last three minutes (OR THE WHOLE GAME!) onto Pacers Digest!? Pleeease?
                      Originally posted by stew View Post
                      I love the idea... it would be soo coool if our digest have this...

                      highlight or the last 3 minutes of the game...
                      I'd love to, but my PVR on my computer hasn't been working for a couple of months now thanks to the software.

                      I don't know where the original disc (older software that worked) is, so I'm stuck for now.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Post game thread - Pacers beat Hawks

                        I've been vid cap limited due to an ailing laptop for weeks now. Sucks. I'm losing games off the end of the Tivo now.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Post game thread - Pacers beat Hawks

                          Originally posted by LoneGranger33 View Post
                          SOMEONE PLEASE UPLOAD THE FOOTAGE - THIS IS TORTURE!
                          I really need to get a job and pay for League Pass...
                          Talked to a guy last week that was really ticked because he paid for LP and they show very few Pacer games.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Post game thread - Pacers beat Hawks

                            What are you talking about the LP shows every single game. Well other then the ones that are nationally televised

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                            • #29
                              Re: Post game thread - Pacers beat Hawks

                              Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                              I'd be careful about reading too much into the final 3 minutes. It was basically a pickup game by that time.


                              Whenever I get too excited about someone's performance at the end of a game like tonight's I always remember this...

                              16 years ago, when I was a freshman in high school, I watched either a Colts game or a Monday night football game and this guy named Buford McGee of the Rams carried the ball like 5 times for 50 yards on the last 5 plays of a 30 point game. The next day in Geography class I was talking to the teacher, who also happened to be my football coach ( Rick Strief), about the game and I said they should just give the ball to McGee every time and he replied "Maybe they should just win every game by 30 so McGee can rush 5 times for 50 yards when it doesn't matter".

                              It's funny that after the game I went outside for a smoke and thought Baston looked good, Williams looks ready to play, Greene made a sweet drive to the lane and maybe they should just win every game by 30 so Buford McGee can rush 5 times for 50 yards.
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                              • #30
                                Re: Post game thread - Pacers beat Hawks

                                Originally posted by Dr. Goldfoot View Post
                                Whenever I get too excited about someone's performance at the end of a game like tonight's I always remember this...

                                16 years ago, when I was a freshman in high school, I watched either a Colts game or a Monday night football game and this guy named Buford McGee of the Rams carried the ball like 5 times for 50 yards on the last 5 plays of a 30 point game. The next day in Geography class I was talking to the teacher, who also happened to be my football coach ( Rick Strief), about the game and I said they should just give the ball to McGee every time and he replied "Maybe they should just win every game by 30 so McGee can rush 5 times for 50 yards when it doesn't matter".

                                It's funny that after the game I went outside for a smoke and thought Baston looked good, Williams looks ready to play, Greene made a sweet drive to the lane and maybe they should just win every game by 30 so Buford McGee can rush 5 times for 50 yards.
                                LOL...good story. Plus, a name like Buford McGee is hard to forget. Point taken, but still - isn't a sweet three-pointer a sweet three-pointer, no matter what the score? Jeez...this is why I need them highlights! I'm gonna go feel sorry for myself...

                                Oh, and Cleveland outscored Sacto 37-17 in the third...the JINX is on!

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