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  • #16
    Re: JO changing addresses...

    Originally posted by Dat Dude View Post
    lmao @ Giving up Jermaine O'Neal in his prime for a PG who is going to be out of the NBA in 2 years.
    So what do we do? Tread water at .500 for the next 2-3 years. That's all it's going to be with JO and this bunch. JO hinders the play of his teammates and vice versa/ He's not cut out for a fast break team. After all, isn't that what we're suppose to be this year?
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    • #17
      Re: JO changing addresses...

      Originally posted by pwee31 View Post
      Yeah as of now, when I first posted, I was watching NBA Kia Shootaround, and that's what they said was coming up for going to commercial.
      Yeah, but just loggin in it looks like a trade has been worked up, or worse(depending on your perspective) has already happened. Its all good, just scared my heart for a second.

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      • #18
        Re: JO changing addresses...

        Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post
        Yeah, but just loggin in it looks like a trade has been worked up, or worse(depending on your perspective) has already happened. Its all good, just scared my heart for a second.
        I added a "?" to try to help prevent that.

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        • #19
          Re: JO changing addresses...

          Originally posted by Roferr View Post
          So what do we do? Tread water at .500 for the next 2-3 years. That's all it's going to be with JO and this bunch. JO hinders the play of his teammates and vice versa/ He's not cut out for a fast break team. After all, isn't that what we're suppose to be this year?
          I think some of your recent posts have been on the mark, but I have to respectfully disagree. There is no comparison between JO and Kidd's market value, at least not anymore. Kidd was a great player, maybe better than JO ever was, but he will be 34 in a couple months and his productivity is already dropping. He is clearly not a top PG in the league anymore. JO is top 15-20. Kidd might be top 30-40. JO may get a little better (I think he may be having one of his best years). Kidd's best years ended 4 or 5 years ago.
          Lance is finally home. Whether he becomes our starting PG or he's 6th man, he's getting big minutes and he's here to stay. #llortontnia

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          • #20
            Re: JO changing addresses...

            Originally posted by Roferr View Post
            So what do we do? Tread water at .500 for the next 2-3 years. That's all it's going to be with JO and this bunch. JO hinders the play of his teammates and vice versa/ He's not cut out for a fast break team. After all, isn't that what we're suppose to be this year?
            Jermaine O'neal doesnt hinder ****.

            You dont trade a piece like Jermaine O'neal for someone who is what 33 years old right now? On the downside of his career. You trade him for young guys,picks and expiring contracts so you can build for the future.

            WTF Do you think we are going to be with Jason Kidd on this team? The Suns?

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            • #21
              Re: JO changing addresses...

              Originally posted by Dat Dude View Post
              Jermaine O'neal doesnt hinder ****.
              Yes, JO runs the floor just fine. Shoots the ball very well for a C from midrange. Just because his post up game is great, doesn't make him a poor fit for a running team. The problem has more to do with the other starters (i.e. Harrington, Jack and Tinsley)
              Lance is finally home. Whether he becomes our starting PG or he's 6th man, he's getting big minutes and he's here to stay. #llortontnia

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              • #22
                Re: JO changing addresses...?

                I have heard a lot of complaints of JO (and a lot of them rightfullyso) but I have never heard the complaint that he "hinders" his teammates.

                That is a new one for me.

                I will be the first to argue that JO does not make his teammates better, which I wish he could do (ala a KG or Timmy D) but I have never seen him "hinder" the progress of the players around him.

                If anything it is the exact opposite.

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                • #23
                  Re: JO changing addresses...

                  Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post
                  This thread title is just a tad bit "misleading".....
                  I agree. What was done here is take a very misleading ESPN tease make it ten times worse and make it a thread title.

                  JO said some of this stuff after last season and as training camp started -

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                  • #24
                    Re: JO changing addresses...

                    Originally posted by Roferr View Post
                    JO has already proven he can't play an up tempo game...what in the hell's he going to do with Kidd?
                    So let me see assuming JO is an one dimensional player who can't play up tempo and assuming JO and Kidd would not work together thus inferring that Kidd can't play half court. According to you, we should trade our 28 year old all star in his prime PF who can't play up tempo for a what 33 year old over the hill PG who can't play in the half court and has bad knees? GEE SIGN ME UP.

                    No matter how you cut it, trading JO for Kidd makes no sense whatsoever.

                    Originally posted by Roferr
                    So what do we do? Tread water at .500 for the next 2-3 years. That's all it's going to be with JO and this bunch. JO hinders the play of his teammates and vice versa/ He's not cut out for a fast break team. After all, isn't that what we're suppose to be this year?
                    I'll play along to the idea that JO doesn't fit into this not working in an uptempo offense idea, but beyond that do you honestly think adding JKidd would suddenly make us the Suns east? You think Steve Nash would be Steve Nash if he didn't have players surrounding him that work in a fast break offense? Kidd is not going to arrive here say the magic words and bam we are a fast break team.
                    We were mislead possibly blinded to think we have the pieces in the starting line up to be a fast break team. We have Al who when he got here wanted to be "Boris Diaw" (His words not mine) However this man couldn't be farther from Boris Diaw he is shoot first, second, and third and pass fourth. We just don't have the pieces. Like I said trading JO for Kidd makes zero sense, sorry.


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                    • #25
                      Re: JO changing addresses...

                      Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                      Yes, JO runs the floor just fine. Shoots the ball very well for a C from midrange. Just because his post up game is great, doesn't make him a poor fit for a running team. The problem has more to do with the other starters (i.e. Harrington, Jack and Tinsley)
                      Preach on!! I like the fact that we were getting Harrington, b/c it wouldn't feel like we loss Peja for nothing, but I was kinda hoping we would hold off a little until the season. We had Granger to play SF with Quis and Williams to back him up. We could have at least looked at what we had before using that 7.5mil exception and a 1st round pick what is suppose to be a deep draft! I don't mind Al if he plays under control and doesn't force it. He's shooting the 3 well, but I would still prefer a Peja type to spread the offense consistently and not cram things down low, or a guard who can drive and dish or score consistently.

                      I'm sure with the 7.5 exception and a 1st round pick, we could have gotten rid of either Tins or Jax if we would have waited. Oh well I like Al, but things need to come around instead of this inconsistent .500 basketball. No way we should be on the road competing against the Mavs and Detriot. And then losing at home to Charlotte... it's sad.

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                      • #26
                        Re: JO changing addresses...?

                        Let's put this issue in perspective...

                        Judging from JO's comments (see "Daily Dime" thread here), it's clear he's frustrated with the team's progress to date. Losing games such as the one last night (01/04/07) against the Mavs, for example, where the Pacers clearly held the advantage for 3 qrts is what has him upset. I doubt if anyone with a grain of common sense can argue that this guy is doing everything he can to help his team win. The problem is only one other player has shown a high level of consistent play - Foster.

                        That's not to others aren't trying hard. They just haven't been nearly as consistent as he has. I think three things need to happen:

                        1) Players need to fully embrace their roles like JO and Foster have clearly done.

                        2) EVERYONE needs to be willing to sacrifice their touches if it means a more successful team. In other words, if one player has his game going and another one does even if that other player is a starter said player needs to submit to the player who has his game going.

                        3) RC needs to find a winning philosophy and a winning formula even if it means bringing in a motivational speaker! They do it in the NFL. Why not in the NBA? (Anything to light a fire under this team!)

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                        • #27
                          Re: JO changing addresses...

                          Originally posted by pwee31 View Post
                          Ahh Marc Stein just said that JO is taking the blame, and reiterated that JO had a meeting with Walsh and Bird claiming if he couldn't get the team to the Championship this year, that maybe he should move on.
                          Unless a miracle happens....I seriously doubt that we make it to the Finals...much less the 2nd round of the playoffs.

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                          If this is something that has been repeated RECENTLY ( in the aftermath of one of the recent disheartening loses ), Am I the only one that reads this as a pre-emptive "Trade me cuz I'm not going to win a championship in a Pacer Uni"?
                          Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                          • #28
                            Re: JO changing addresses...?

                            Originally posted by NuffSaid View Post
                            Let's put this issue in perspective...

                            Judging from JO's comments (see "Daily Dime" thread here), it's clear he's frustrated with the team's progress to date. Losing games such as the one last night (01/04/07) against the Mavs, for example, where the Pacers clearly held the advantage for 3 qrts is what has him upset. I doubt if anyone with a grain of common sense can argue that this guy is doing everything he can to help his team win. The problem is only one other player has shown a high level of consistent play - Foster.

                            That's not to others aren't trying hard. They just haven't been nearly as consistent as he has. I think three things need to happen:

                            1) Players need to fully embrace their roles like JO and Foster have clearly done.

                            2) EVERYONE needs to be willing to sacrifice their touches if it means a more successful team. In other words, if one player has his game going and another one does even if that other player is a starter said player needs to submit to the player who has his game going.

                            3) RC needs to find a winning philosophy and a winning formula even if it means bringing in a motivational speaker! They do it in the NFL. Why not in the NBA? (Anything to light a fire under this team!)
                            Maybe 1 ( if we are really lucky...2 ) of the above will happen.....but not all 3 of them.

                            Face it...we're boned....
                            Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                            • #29
                              Re: JO changing addresses...?

                              I can't believe we are talking about trading JO. The guy is by far the very best player on this team. He is having one of the best if not THE best season of his career. I guess he is right though, he will take the fall for the Pacers this year. Its just too bad that he might be the only one who shouldn't.

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                              • #30
                                Re: JO changing addresses...?

                                The Pacers have played 33 games and are over .500. How many would have taken that before the season started? Considering our schedule, most of us no doubt.

                                So before everyone screams the sky is falling it would be good to wait and see what happens before the trade deadline.

                                Everyone with a basketball brain knows we need help in the back court. The trade deadline is in 47 days, (less than 6 weeks.) Lets see what happens.

                                If nothing? Then we can all yell, "the sky has fallen!"

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