The Rules of Pacers Digest

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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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  • DW Props thread

    Ok. I have been sitting here lately thinking about how lucky i have been to have a home town team like the Pacers to cheer for and be fan of. When you like at the NBA, i think it sometimes gets lost how good of an NBA team we not only have, but have had since DW become GM.

    So as his days as "lame duck GM" start to wind down i thought it would be good to start a thread highlighting his accompilshments with the team.

    This link is one i found that lists all his draft picks as well as most of his trades, so instead of typing it all out, you can just look at it. I think the article shows what an impressive run he has had as a GM.

    A few things that stand out to me about DW as a GM:

    1. He has a tremendous ability to evaluate needs of current team and then find the right player to plug in to fill that need. Some examples would be Chris Mullin, Mark Jackson, Jalen Rose, Artest, B.Miller...meaning he is able to find that player that almost always works out and fills his void

    2. His drafting after looking back over all his draft picks made me realize his eye for talent is superb. As you will see in the link, very few of his picks have been busts, and besides Haskin all have contributed in NBA.

    3. His ability to rebuild after building a championship team. Even as many fans, media members, etc were criticizing him, he stood true to his vision and now has put together a team that won more games than any other Pacer team, is still young and could be dominate for a long time, and one that has a legit shot at a title, maybe multiple titles.

    4. I love his willingness to develop players and the follow through even when the fans and everyone doubts, he stands true. Al, Bender, Freddie, Tinsley, Artest, JO, and thats just this team. From the past...Jalen, AD, Rik, DD, Reggie...all were considered reaches and projects and they all have acheived all star status at some point, besides Rose, but he was close when here.

    5. DW has a great relationship with his players and coaches and always treats them with respect and dignity. It is evident by the way players and coaches speak of him even after he has fired or traded them.

    6. Lastly and most important to me, DW wants to win and works tirelessly to put a winning team on the floor every night for us fans to support. Thsi is the epitomy of a good GM one that wants to win and will take the steps to make it happen.

    So anyways wanted to start a thread just looking back over his years. The link doesnt capture everything obviously but it sure highlights some good things and proves DW is one of if not the best GM in the NBA.

    Thank you DW for giving us these last 17-18 years of Pacer basketball.

  • #2
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    I cant beleive nobody has anything to say about DW. Everyone must be in one of the 5 Popovich threads. ed:


    • #3
      Re: DW Props thread

      Thanks for the link, it was a good read. I think you're right in that some of us tend to take having a consistently good Pacers team to root for for granted. You look at a team like Philly that made the Finals the year after the Pacers and where the two teams are now. The Pacers haven't missed the playoffs since they made the Finals despite a major overhaul of the roster, whereas the 76ers weren't any good this year and don't seem like they'll be that much better next year without some major changes. "Big ups" to D-Dub, as the kids say.


      • #4
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        If the Pacers get to the finals I'm gonna start a thread titled I WAS WRONG!!! and invite anyone else who feels like confessing to join in.

        I disagreed with DW blowing the team up in the summer of 2000 because I felt that getting back to a finals-level team was so tough and that the current team hadn't necessarily reached its peak yet and should be tweaked - they had JUST broken through one major barrier and who's to say that the following year (when I think they'd have been in the finals again) they wouldn't have taken it one more step.

        So if they make the finals again, within 4 years of my previous opinion, then yup - I was dead, 100% wrong.

        I'm saving my DW props for then.
        The poster formerly known as Rimfire


        • #5
          Re: DW Props thread

          I give Donnie many kudos......

          If I had a picture, I'd throw in some PGR2 kudos as well......
          PSN: MRat731 XBL: MRat0731


          • #6
            Re: DW Props thread

            When I first read this I thought you were using PROPS as a verb.

            Donnie Props us some credit for our fine efforts at warding off trolls and assasins, or something.
            Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.


            • #7
              Re: DW Props thread

              'Bout time we see some threads like this. Donnie has been probably the best thing to happen to this franchise. We've made the playoffs, what, 14 out of the last 15 years? And without a bona fide superstar [Reggie is certainly fantastic, but he's not like MJ or Shaq in that he'll get your team great seeding all by himself].

              The man's foresight is astounding. He really has shown an outstanding eye for talent, and an even better eye for smart trades and draft picks. Who really wanted him to draft Reggie back in the day? Who saw the Jax-for-Jalen-for-Jax-again deal coming, or the Strip-the-Bulls-of-virtually-their-entire-talent-base deal?

              I don't know all the other teams' playoff attendence records, but I'm pretty sure even the mighty Lakers had a period of overall crapiness. And the Knicks and Celtics have been lousy for a while now, after their eras of excellence.

              To build a title contender, then have it fall apart, and to save that team by infusing it with young talent which is now coming together into yet another title contender....


              Thanks, Donnie!
              Official Member of the Anti-Alliteration Association


              • #8
                Re: DW Props thread

                If I had a picture, I'd throw in some PGR2 kudos as well......
                Here ya go:


                • #9
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                  I cant beleive nobody has anything to say about DW. Everyone must be in one of the 5 Popovich threads. ed:
                  I started to reply earlier. But the article and your comments really said it all very well, there isn't much more to say.

                  EDIT - George McCloud *was* a bust, too.
                  Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                  Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                  Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                  Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                  And life itself, rushing over me
                  Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                  Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you


                  • #10
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                    I hold DW is the highest regard. There is no one else I would rather run the Pacers. I could write a book about all the ways DW is the best in the business, but I don't have the time


                    • #11
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                      I hold DW is the highest regard. There is no one else I would rather run the Pacers. I could write a book about all the ways DW is the best in the business, but I don't have the time
                      I dunno - I'd have a hard time putting him ahead of Jerry West. You can argue pretty strong for him for #2.
                      The poster formerly known as Rimfire


                      • #12
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                        DW is number one in my book. People don't seem to give him the credit he deserves, the man is a genius. He knows his basketball.
                        Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.


                        • #13
                          Re: DW Props thread

                          I disagreed with DW blowing the team up in the summer of 2000 because I felt that getting back to a finals-level team was so tough and that the current team hadn't necessarily reached its peak yet and should be tweaked - they had JUST broken through one major barrier and who's to say that the following year (when I think they'd have been in the finals again) they wouldn't have taken it one more step.
                          There is a group here that would agree with you about losing key contributors and losing a possible shot at the finals because of it. There is no doubt a very thin line between keeping a contending group together and "reloading on the fly".

                          My thoughts:

                          If you are going to reload for the future, you have to trade your talent before its gone. Antonio Davis was at his peak when he was traded. It was the only time in his career that he was worth a 5th pick in the draft. Whether the Pacers would have won in 2000 with him is debateble, but if Bender works out, Donnie secured one piece of the Pacers future.

                          After 2000, Dale Davis was coming off his lone all-star appearance and was on the wrong side of 30. Trading him may have been painful for most of us when it happened, but no one argues that it wasn't a great trade. Unlike Bender, O'Neal quickly made up for the loss of DD.

                          Jackson left of his own accord. Smits retired of his own accord. Perkins, McKey, Mullin were all at the end of their careers.

                          Its not like they blew up a team of young talents. The team was just too old to make a series of runs. The current team is set to make several runs though and now is the time when "Do-nothing Donnie" should uh, do nothing.

                          A couple more thoughts: Donnie's greatest strengths are his eye for talent and his patience. The patience can drive the fans nuts, but in addition to allowing the talent to develop, it allows him to trade from a position of strength. You know how when you play Monopoly, there is that one guy who will not trade with you? And then you keep offering him more and more, and then when its lopsided he takes your deal and you lose? That is DW.


                          • #14
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                            i enjoyed the article very much, though of course as a pacer fan i'm already aware of the history

                            just add to what grant said, not only did walsh get a lot of trade value out of the aging davises, but he got max return value for jalen rose too. antonio davis actually did hit his peak with toronto, garnering an all-star with them, but jalen and dale just never seemed the same again after leaving the pacers.

                            and donnie has a long history of making seemingly unfathomable decisions which almost always seems to turn out well. he's turned into a legend, and that kind of reputation has a way of feeding itself, that's way a lot of fans are willing to give donnie huge latitude on all his decisions. (i believe on this board the term is "walsh warriors" or "sunshine brigade" haven't heard that charge recently )

                            hope bird can do only half as well. wonder if the next draft would be bird's pick or would walsh still have a lot of input. hmm...


                            • #15
                              Re: DW Props thread

                              A couple more thoughts: Donnie's greatest strengths are his eye for talent and his patience.
                              I first read this that "... Donnie's greatest strengths are his eyes ..."

                              and thought, well, I suppose Peck and DougAdams and others would have trouble arguing with that ... :

                              A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                              Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...