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The Official World Championship '06 Thread

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  • The Official World Championship '06 Thread

    Hello,

    for most of us basketball season is not over yet. As always, I wish for all the club teams I support to go as far as it is possible for them (even further ).

    But...

    There is lots and lots of opinions to sumarize (the final test will be held in Japan) about the game we all LOVE at the International level.

    WorldChamps '06


    GROUPS

    My Q No.1.

    The fact is that in Europe during last couple of years we have seen REALY FAST and FURIOUS evoliution of zone D's.
    In 1 of my dizzin' posts before I've asked a Question: What the TEAM USA could offer in offence if it will be facing somewhere around from 20 to 30 varieties of zone D.

    All of my friends overseas have stated, that zone D in NBA has enourmous restrictions. For the rest of the World when defending - all the measures count.

    We've seen TEAM USA struggle 2 years ago. As I've stated above - zone D's will be used a lot, esspesialy against TEAM USA. How long it will take or how hard it would be to addapt to this sort of defencive basketball for TEAM USA? I'd like to know Your opinions on this issue.

    Thank You.

    Js
    Wait a minute, whoa! Whoa! You don’t actually believe this crap! Do you? Dummy! Brain washed alien souls? E-meter and thetan levels? Those people out there buy that crap. But I thought you were smart enough to see what’s really going on!
    What's better than telling people a stupid story and having them believe you? Having them pay you for it, stupid!

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    Re: The Official World Championship '06 Thread

    Go Yugoslavia!! (Serbia&Montenegro, Slovenia) ... Isnt Croatia gona play? Bummer

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    • #3
      Re: The Official World Championship '06 Thread

      I think Turkey are gonna be a big suprise this year.
      My Dream Team

      PG - A.Iverson
      SG - K.Bryant
      SF - R.Artest
      PF - J.O'Neal
      C - D.Howard

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        Re: The Official World Championship '06 Thread

        Originally posted by #31
        Go Yugoslavia!! (Serbia&Montenegro, Slovenia) ... Isnt Croatia gona play? Bummer
        nope They lost game for the straight qualification against Slovenia and 4 Wildcards went to Serbia & Cerno Gorica, Italy, Turkey and Puerto Rico. FIBA doesn't love Croatia I'd like to see the best non-qualified teams from the last EC - Croatia and Russia instead of Puerto Rico and Turkey.

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        • #5
          Re: The Official World Championship '06 Thread

          Originally posted by J_2_Da_IzzO
          I think Turkey are gonna be a big suprise this year.
          It's about 2006, not 2010.

          Btw, Qatar have promised the Hell to every opponent in their group, I'm not sure what they mean. I'm scared a bit. Fortunately not us but Greeks will be the first to know it.

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            Re: The Official World Championship '06 Thread

            Looks like the US is in an easy bracket, although we have already been beaten by Puerto Rico. Not sure what China will bring besides Yao. Looks like brackets A & C by far the toughest. Anyone know what style Slovenia plays? I know about Nesterovic, but little else. We better bring a whole lot of Michael Redd and maybe even some JJ Redick against these zoners.

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              Re: The Official World Championship '06 Thread

              20 to 30 varieities of zone? Could you explain please? Even if you were stretching to make a point I'd like to know.

              How do zone schemes break down beyond 1-3-1, box-1, 2-3, 3-2, and a shifting version of them?

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                Re: The Official World Championship '06 Thread

                Originally posted by McClintic Sphere
                Looks like the US is in an easy bracket, although we have already been beaten by Puerto Rico. Not sure what China will bring besides Yao. Looks like brackets A & C by far the toughest. Anyone know what style Slovenia plays? I know about Nesterovic, but little else. We better bring a whole lot of Michael Redd and maybe even some JJ Redick against these zoners.
                Be ready for tons of threepointers

                They also have Brezec, Nesterovic and Pacers 2nd round draft pick Lorbek at their frontline.

                They were one of two teams (the other was Lithuanian "reserves" team) that won all 3 games (all by 9+ points) at the group stage (beat Greece, France and Bosnia & Herzegovina) in the last European Championship. Unfortunately, lost in the quaterfinals.

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                • #9
                  Re: The Official World Championship '06 Thread

                  Originally posted by Rytas_Jega
                  Be ready for tons of threepointers

                  They also have Prezec, Nesterovic and Pacers 2nd round draft pick Lorbek at their frontline.

                  They were one of two teams (the other was Lithuanian "reserves" team) that won all 3 games (all by 9+ points) at the group stage (beat Greece, France and Bosnia & Herzegovina) in the last European Championship. Unfortunately, lost in the quaterfinals.
                  Thanks for the info. I forgot Lorbek was from there. It will be fun to watch him play, as I would expect him to be coming to Pacer's training camp next year. Those teams Slovenia beat typically aren't too shabby. We may as well start scouting a coach from Europe as well, because Bird seems to love the style of play.

                  It is too bad Tim Duncan has given up on FIBA, but his experiences have been extremely frustrating.

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                  • #10
                    Re: The Official World Championship '06 Thread

                    Originally posted by McClintic Sphere
                    Thanks for the info. I forgot Lorbek was from there. It will be fun to watch him play, as I would expect him to be coming to Pacer's training camp next year. Those teams Slovenia beat typically aren't too shabby. We may as well start scouting a coach from Europe as well, because Bird seems to love the style of play.

                    It is too bad Tim Duncan has given up on FIBA, but his experiences have been extremely frustrating.
                    IMO, you just need at least 2-3 good threepointshooters. Frontline won't be your problem whoever you send.

                    Those three I mentioned before plus Jaka Lakovic http://www.euroleague.net/plantillas/jugador.jsp?id=ATA, Sani Becirovic http://www.euroleague.net/plantillas/jugador.jsp?id=AGG, Bostjan Nachbar http://www.nba.com/playerfile/bostjan_nachbar/ and Uros Slokar http://www.euroleague.net/plantillas/jugador.jsp?id=BWY form the core of Slovenian National Team.

                    And you'll meet Italian threepointer shooting machines. This time they'll be more various on offense with Andrea Bargnani http://www.euroleague.net/plantillas/jugador.jsp?id=BWZ

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                      Re: The Official World Championship '06 Thread

                      Originally posted by Rytas_Jega
                      It's about 2006, not 2010.

                      Btw, Qatar have promised the Hell to every opponent in their group, I'm not sure what they mean. I'm scared a bit. Fortunately not us but Greeks will be the first to know it.
                      I have a feeling Turkey will beat Lithuania and probably come through that group comfortably.
                      My Dream Team

                      PG - A.Iverson
                      SG - K.Bryant
                      SF - R.Artest
                      PF - J.O'Neal
                      C - D.Howard

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                      • #12
                        Re: The Official World Championship '06 Thread

                        Originally posted by Rytas_Jega
                        Uros Slokar...
                        How's he doing anyway? Raptors fans are eager to see him next year (hopefully). Apparently he plays behind one of the best big men in the league (Bargnani?) - but does a good job. What is his game like? Can we expect him to be with the Raptors next year?

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                        • #13
                          Re: The Official World Championship '06 Thread

                          Originally posted by J_2_Da_IzzO
                          I have a feeling Turkey will beat Lithuania and probably come through that group comfortably.
                          Anything can happen in group of death. Turkey has the most unpredictable National Basketball Team, they can beat anyone in the World and they can lose to anyone (serious National Teams, not Qatar). Beating not prime (probably it will be more or less reserves squad again) roster Lithuania wouldn't be a big surprise. Turkoglu and Okur play outstandingly in NBA, Peker, Turkcan, Kutluay, Erdogan have solid Euroleague careers but it's also known Turkey has big microclimte issues. If they fix it, they will have a chance.

                          I personally don't like Turkish NT because it's a big stars collection that rearly plays as a team.

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                            Re: The Official World Championship '06 Thread

                            Originally posted by Rytas_Jega
                            it's also known Turkey has big microclimte issues. If they fix it, they will have a chance.
                            Not familiar with big microclimte issues here stateside. If that means team chemistry problems, then I think we can relate. Care to elaborate on that one?

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                              Re: The Official World Championship '06 Thread

                              Originally posted by Julius Sour

                              We've seen TEAM USA struggle 2 years ago. As I've stated above - zone D's will be used a lot, esspesialy against TEAM USA. How long it will take or how hard it would be to addapt to this sort of defencive basketball for TEAM USA? I'd like to know Your opinions on this issue.
                              I grew up playing hoops in the U.S. and I've studied abroad in Europe. Whenever I've played against zones I have struggled immensely. It was amazing. Nothing prepared me for it. I threw out plenty of Tinsley-esque performances. This isn't to say that my game is NBA-quality but just that I grew up with that same non-shooting mentality that many NBA players have. We better bring along Redick, Redd, Johnson, Lewis, and other guys who can shoot because that is the only way to beat these zones. Well, there is also the whole superior passing thing as lanes can easily open up inside a zone. But outside of Chris Paul we don't really have true PGs. I am scared like crazy because when the other team throws out a good zone, it doesn't matter how talented the U.S. team is. However, I don't think the U.S. will be caught unprepared this time. Especially with Coach K, who prepares like none other. Also, being in college as long as he has, I don't think there are many coaches who are as familar with zones as he is. Along those same lines, why isn't D'Antoni coaching this team?

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