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Q.O.D. for Thursday.....

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  • Q.O.D. for Thursday.....

    I know tonight is Reggie's night & pretty much that is about all we have been able to look forward to over the past few weeks, but I have a team question.

    If it's just going to be a first round exit, do you really want the Pacers to make the playoffs?

    I know we can't guarantee anything but for the sake of the quesiton let's assume we are getting beat in the first round.

    I've got a couple of differant thoughts on this & I could make an argument to go either way. But I'll wait till a little later to see what you guys think.


    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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    Someone's gotta go.

    Both Chicago and Philly want no part of the postseason, and they're waaay ahead of you in losses. You're in wether you like it or not.

    It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

    Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
    Conference Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 2005
    NBA Champions 1989, 1990, 2004

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      Re: Q.O.D. for Thursday.....

      Sadly, we are a lock for a playoff birth.
      "Remember the pain of my fist. That is my power!"

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        No way I want them making the playoffs if we assume for the sake of discussion that they will lose in the first round.

        I don't want them 'backing in' under any circumstances. Either we go in with momentum and some newfound determination and purpose or I'd prefer we miss the playoffs.

        I want management evaluating this team for the failure it is. I don't want any false sense of hope giving them any excuses for themselves or the Sunshine Brigade (I'm talking about the people who can find a positive in being swept in 4 games by blowout margins and still start talking about being favorites for the championship next year). Blech...

        I fear just making the playoffs, even if it is backing in, will satisfy too many people (especially TPTB). I don't want there to be any ability to make excuses or spin with any possible legs at all. I want this team evaluated on an honest basis. Not just this year but the past couple of years. And management and coaching should take a look in the mirror while they are at it.

        I'm not sure how much longer PS&E can put a team on the court like they have and not start losing fans in droves. We need to start seeing a team playing the right way... and with class and purpose. We need players we can be proud of.

        -Bball
        Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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        "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

        -John Wooden

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          bball, I think the point is moot because you could probably lose the rest of youre games and still make the playoffs, because chicago and philly will tank just as much.

          The Philly team I saw tonight wants no part of the 8th seed. They want an early vacation. Same goes for Chicago, who also is playing like they're already on summer break.

          Those are the 8th and 9th teams in the east.

          You can drive in, you can back in.

          Either way, you're getting in. Nobody else wants your spot.

          It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

          Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
          Conference Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 2005
          NBA Champions 1989, 1990, 2004

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            Re: Q.O.D. for Thursday.....

            Originally posted by Fireball Kid
            Sadly, we are a lock for a playoff birth.
            So Tinsley IS pregnant.
            Word on the street is he doesn't want your money, he only wants to please your ears...
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              "Remember the pain of my fist. That is my power!"

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                If we are assured of a first round exit, I would say no.

                I know you "always" want your teams in the playoffs as a part of the learning & growing process, especially for the younger players like Granger & Harrison.

                This time I think missing the playoffs would be a better "learning experience" for some of the vets. such as ........

                wait a sec!

                I was gonna say Jackson, Tinsley & O'Neal, but I think at least 2 of them could be gone before next season so why would it matter if they learned anything by setting out the playoffs?

                I say, make the playoffs & play Granger & Harrison as much as possible.

                The changes that Bball hopes for will be happening. As a matter of fact I think one has already been arranged, but that is for another thread. Making or missing the playoffs will not alter what will happen in the off season. TPTB see the flaws in the team as well as its individual players. There will be changes reguardless of what date or last game is.

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                • #9
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                  Absolutely.

                  You play.

                  To win.

                  The game.





                  Unless you're the one team out of 30 that takes home the trophy, you've got to lose some time. Even if we lose in the first round, I'd prefer to have an extended season rather than an extended off-season.

                  If anyone here would prefer to lose and get a lottery pick, I honestly would have to question your integrity as a sportsman AND a fan. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it's the way I feel.
                  “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” - Winston Churchill

                  “If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible warning.” - Catherine Aird

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                    I don't care if we lose in the first round or not..I want this team in there. I really want Granger to get some playoff experience. Rick already has a little confidence in him as we saw him in the last minutes of the Pistons game. Granger is gonna be huge for us soon, as well as Harrison. Any playin time they can get is a huge advantage for us. Especially playoff games...
                    AKA Sactolover05

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                      Re: Q.O.D. for Thursday.....

                      This question tends to come up every year, or at least every year when the Pacers don't win 50 games. I wish I could just cut and paste what I post every year when this comes up.

                      What possible advantage is there in not making the playoffs. Sure you move up 1 or 2 slots in the draft - but that doesn't really help. The only other possible advantage is that it would save me a little money.

                      As Mr. Pink said DG and DH need playoff experience although I have to say DH may not play much, if Pollard can play at all in fact I see harrison getting very little time. '

                      You also learn a lot about your team and players during the playoffs, in fact you learn more in one playoff series than he do over about 60 games of the regular season.

                      It looks like the Pacers will either play the Nets or Heat in the first round and likely lose, but playoff experience is golden, you don't win without it.

                      Bball, you theory about TPTB not realizing what they have to do this summer is very insulting.

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                        Re: Q.O.D. for Thursday.....

                        Originally posted by Unclebuck
                        This question tends to come up every year, or at least every year when the Pacers don't win 50 games. I wish I could just cut and paste what I post every year when this comes up.

                        What possible advantage is there in not making the playoffs. Sure you move up 1 or 2 slots in the draft - but that doesn't really help. The only other possible advantage is that it would save me a little money.

                        As Mr. Pink said DG and DH need playoff experience although I have to say DH may not play much, if Pollard can play at all in fact I see harrison getting very little time. '

                        You also learn a lot about your team and players during the playoffs, in fact you learn more in one playoff series than he do over about 60 games of the regular season.

                        It looks like the Pacers will either play the Nets or Heat in the first round and likely lose, but playoff experience is golden, you don't win without it.

                        Bball, you theory about TPTB not realizing what they have to do this summer is very insulting.
                        Tend to agree with you except for the part about learning more in a playoff series about your team than in 60 games. At least for this particular group.

                        Even with the well documented injury and Artest complications, I've personally seen enough in 70 games to tell me this group doesn't deserve another go round without at least a few significant changes.

                        About the only thing that MIGHT change my mind would be an unexpected ECF appearance. If that were to happen it would give credence to the full squad together with time to solidify argument.

                        But I find that's getting to be a broken record and it's difficult to believe a team capable of that, despite line up turmoil, couldn't get up to post a better record against the league cellar dwellers.
                        I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                        -Emiliano Zapata

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                          Re: Q.O.D. for Thursday.....

                          Originally posted by Unclebuck

                          You also learn a lot about your team and players during the playoffs, in fact you learn more in one playoff series than he do over about 60 games of the regular season.
                          UB has already posted my exact thoughts. I believe this as well and want to see who can step it up when the intensity really cranks up.

                          If there is a key person to pickup then Donnie and LB better get their cap in order and find them through free agency or trades.
                          You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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                            Re: Q.O.D. for Thursday.....

                            Originally posted by Bball
                            I fear just making the playoffs, even if it is backing in, will satisfy too many people (especially TPTB).
                            Where the hell do you get this silly notion? You don't get to where Donnie and Larry are or compete at their level by settling for mediocrity or second best. They want a championship more than you do, I can assure you. It will ultimately be how they measure their careers. The Pacers may be your mistress, but it is their wife.

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                              Re: Q.O.D. for Thursday.....

                              As I said in Bball's thread, we need to evaluate Peja playing a RJeff or LBJ over a series under playoff pressure before we decide to pay him a lot of money. Larry's gonna make changes regardless. We need as many games as possible for him to evaluate the roster.
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