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  • #16
    Re: I hope JO is taking notes

    The Pacers are playing their best ball of the season with both Tinsley AND JO out of the lineup.

    I'm not saying that they are not good players...of course they are. But in terms of chemistry and team play they might not be the best thing for the Pacers at this time. I like the team they are putting on the floor right now. I'm not looking forward to seeing it change real soon and messing up a good thing.

    On the other hand, if JO would transform from a 20-point 10-rebound player into a 12-point 15-rebound player, I think it would be a very good thing.

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    • #17
      Re: I hope JO is taking notes

      With Tins and Hulk on the floor and Peja, JO will probably average 28-15 and Hulk will avg double double in tablescraps.

      if they play this same style that is, if they do: You aint seen nottin yet
      So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

      If you've done 6 impossible things today?
      Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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      • #18
        Re: I hope JO is taking notes

        MEMO
        TO: Rick, JO, JT
        RE: Do You See What We See?

        Up-tempo, motion, balanced offense good. Slogging, pound the ball into the ground, uberiso, one-man show offense bad. Be prepared to get with program on return of injured players.
        I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

        -Emiliano Zapata

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        • #19
          Re: I hope JO is taking notes

          Instead of being critical of JT and J.O and instead of making the mistake and assuming the Pacers are winning because those two playrers are out (interesting no one is saying the Pacers are winning because Cro is out) here are some reasons why the pacers are winning:



          I think right now the coaching staff has really found a great 9 man rotation. More than that the combinations on the floor seem to fit together extremely well.

          Peja and Jax with AJ and then Jeff and Scot that unit fits well together. And then the bench, Saras and Fred have always fit together and now Granger and Harrison fit together well. And then alternating Jax and Peja with the second unit.

          A few other key points to make about why the Pacers are playing well right now

          1) the schedule. Don't underestimate how important it is to have days off between games and time to practice. That is always underrated, but it is so important.

          2) The Artest episode is behind the Pacers for good. No more trade rumors. Things are settled

          3) Right now the players know when they are going to play and who with, that is huge also.


          (oh yeh and hitting threes doesn't hurt either)

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          • #20
            Re: I hope JO is taking notes

            I agree, I noticed that this game. We've finally found something that fits. The starting lineup doesn't have any great players, but they fit together really well. AJ is also finally playing well consistently. Why does he always take half a season to do this?


            Our bench is a thing of beuty though. Saras and Fred, Saras and Hulk, they have great chemistry. Danger and Hulk play well together. Several duos that play well together in that bunch.
            You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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            • #21
              Re: I hope JO is taking notes

              Even Quinn Buckner was hinting at how we were playing better with Jermaine. At some point in time people have to get real. Jermaine and Jack are bad news together. One of them has to go. I'd like to see it be Jermaine, since the offense opens up without him...guys like Danger, Sarunas, Freddy....are at their best in the running game...even DH, can probably get up the floor quicker than most guys even close to his size.
              *removed* Just keep politics and religion completely out of it, please.

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              • #22
                Re: I hope JO is taking notes

                Also, about the rebounding. A big part of it is having a real center in the game most of the time. Also, maybe I'm crazy, but Ricks seems to have finally let them pursure rebounds at the cost of transition D sometimes. They seemed to do this a lot in the Detroit game. Props to Rick.

                I think you need a good balance between crashing the boards hard and getting back and stopping the fast break. Stopping the break is nice, but a team needs offensive boards. They re-energize everyone, and seem to set the tempo for a game.
                You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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                • #23
                  Re: I hope JO is taking notes

                  Originally posted by SoupIsGood
                  Also, about the rebounding. A big part of it is having a real center in the game most of the time. Also, maybe I'm crazy, but Ricks seems to have finally let them pursure rebounds at the cost of transition D sometimes. They seemed to do this a lot in the Detroit game. Props to Rick.

                  I think you need a good balance between crashing the boards hard and getting back and stopping the fast break. Stopping the break is nice, but a team needs offensive boards. They re-energize everyone, and seem to set the tempo for a game.
                  I think this is a huge aspect of our rebounding advantage, and something that's possibly been overlooked. I think right now, unless we're playing a team like the Suns or Nets, we want an uptempo game. As a result, we'd rather play to our advantages with the offensive rebounds. If we get the board, we get another possession. If we don't the other team will likely try to push the ball ahead, which will lead to either a quick basket or a miss, leading to OUR transition basket. What I'm getting at, basically, is that transition leads to more transition, which is exactly what we want with no post threats in the lineup.

                  Right now we play like a college team with good guards and tall rebounding forwards. I hope it stays that way with JO in the lineup, but I'm not holding my breath.

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                  • #24
                    Re: I hope JO is taking notes

                    Originally posted by able
                    With Tins and Hulk on the floor and Peja, JO will probably average 28-15 and Hulk will avg double double in tablescraps.

                    if they play this same style that is, if they do: You aint seen nottin yet
                    Exactly! I agree 100%.
                    It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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                    • #25
                      Re: I hope JO is taking notes

                      Originally posted by Unclebuck
                      Instead of being critical of JT and J.O and instead of making the mistake and assuming the Pacers are winning because those two playrers are out (interesting no one is saying the Pacers are winning because Cro is out) ...
                      JT and JO slow the ball movement. Cro does not. The ball is moving better now with the current lineup than it did when JT or JO were playing. Cro being in or out of the lineup does not appear to affect ball movement.

                      My comments were not critical of JT and JO...in fact I commented that they are good players....but from a chemisty standpoint perhaps they aren't the best thing for the Pacers.

                      (and think of the trade value).

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                      • #26
                        Re: I hope JO is taking notes

                        I think I may need to start another "lets ask the hard question" thread. only this time it should be about Tinsley. How anyone would change this lineup, regardless of player availability, without them losing or being scouted and "solved" first is beyond me.

                        Don't fix what ain't broken, until it actually breaks. I hope our injured guys take a long time to recover. Why? So that they really will be 100% when they come back, so that they really do learn this method in practice before thinking that they're more important than the game plan, and so that we can keep stacking up the wins without them.
                        “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” - Winston Churchill

                        “If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible warning.” - Catherine Aird

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                        • #27
                          Re: I hope JO is taking notes

                          I don't know...I am very excited to see this team when J.O. comes back. I think the difference now is that we have Peja too. Peja's not going to be successful in the old grind-it-out style. However, J.O. can be successful in this style. The coaching staff should recognize this. He has improved his passing mightily and he is still a quick and athletic big guy. Maybe he needs to trim down a bit but I still think this could be a deadily team with J.O. healthy.

                          However, I am still concerned that Carlisle will switch back to the old offense. They should recognize what's successful but then again, they might not. That is why the title of this thread is appropriate. Like I said above, the thing that makes me optimistic is that before we had Ron and J.O. in the post while now there is only J.O. with Peja and Jack on the perimeter. (Not to mention all the other players better suited for a more fluid offense). I know that in the weeks following Ron's deactivation we continued with the flow thru J.O. offense but I think that could have been just temporary until Rick knew what roster he was dealing with. We shouldn't underestimate the importance of a set roster and rotation.

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                          • #28
                            Re: I hope JO is taking notes

                            Originally posted by Unclebuck
                            Instead of being critical of JT and J.O and instead of making the mistake and assuming the Pacers are winning because those two playrers are out (interesting no one is saying the Pacers are winning because Cro is out) here are some reasons why the pacers are winning:



                            I think right now the coaching staff has really found a great 9 man rotation. More than that the combinations on the floor seem to fit together extremely well.

                            Peja and Jax with AJ and then Jeff and Scot that unit fits well together. And then the bench, Saras and Fred have always fit together and now Granger and Harrison fit together well. And then alternating Jax and Peja with the second unit.

                            A few other key points to make about why the Pacers are playing well right now

                            1) the schedule. Don't underestimate how important it is to have days off between games and time to practice. That is always underrated, but it is so important.

                            2) The Artest episode is behind the Pacers for good. No more trade rumors. Things are settled

                            3) Right now the players know when they are going to play and who with, that is huge also.


                            (oh yeh and hitting threes doesn't hurt either)

                            I think your 100% right. Keep in mind this is also a new starting lineup so to speak. Were running a different offense, we have a new player in Peja and were starting a guy in Pollard who hasn't played in years.Lets see how this lineup does in a week or two when theres video out their on this team. It's working now in the short terms but it remains to be seen how effective it will be once teams have scouted it.

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                            • #29
                              Re: I hope JO is taking notes

                              On the other hand, if JO would transform from a 20-point 10-rebound player into a 12-point 15-rebound player, I think it would be a very good thing.
                              ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++


                              And add in 4 blocks a game, this team would score even more. I know it has
                              been stated by some that they think JO will score even more and rebound
                              more when he comes back. If he scores even more then I believe the team
                              will be less successful in the win column. Peja and Jax will put a lot of
                              pressure on other teams with JO drawing double teams and kicking out
                              to the shooters. JO should not be the leading scorer for this team.
                              How many titles did Karl Malone win? He was a better pf than JO is.

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