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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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Thoughts on remaining Big Men to trade for?

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  • Thoughts on remaining Big Men to trade for?

    Despite Foster returning......I stil think that we should try to upgrade the backup Center in the frontcourt......especially in light of the lingering health issues of all 3 of our Centers.

    IMHO...we still need a guy that can be effective ( who can rebound and block shots ) on the floor without having the balls in his hands. All of our Centers now are capable of doing that......the only problem is that they are often injured in some way and therefore not as productive as they could be to the team.

    To me....the best Center / PF / Big Man that we should trade for should do something similiar to what Foster is able to provide:

    - hustle
    - sufficient defense against Big Men
    - rebounding
    - ( hopefully ) some additional shotblocking
    - relatively healthy
    - good locker-room guy ( that immediately excludes Fortson )

    Although scoring is always a plus....I don't think we need another scorer on the team ( and therefore not a requirement ).

    Going through the rosters of the NBA....the only players that I feel that we can possibly get this season before the trade deadline are:

    - PJ Brown ( PF/C - Hornets )
    Easily the best player that we should get that would fill the "Dale Davis" role that we lost last year. He's a player that can backup both PF/C positions, provide veteran leadership, doesn't complain, provides consistent play, some shotblocking, solid rebounding and some decent scoring for a Big Man. The only problem is that its unclear whether the Hornets would want to part with him as he is their only Big Man left next to David West.
    - Kelvin Cato or Tony Battie ( PF/C - Magic )
    Both are players are the type of rebounding/shotblocking type players that I wouldn't mind having. But same problem here.....I don't konw what the Magic would want or if they would want to part with what makes up a acceptable but solid Center rotation.
    - Theo Ratlif ( PF/C - Blazers )
    Outside of Ben his younger years.....Ratliff is exactly what we would above average defender that can rebound and blockshots like crazy. The problem with him is that he has a huge contract over the next 2 years and does have a tendency to get injured.

    Pollard ( despite being the Center that we pull out when we play Shaq ) along with his expiring the most logical Big Man to ship out alongside any combination of Freddie, AJ and Gill. I'm trying to figure out what backup Center / PF ( if possible ) that the Pacers can reasonably get based off of who I feel that we can trade by this years deadline. I know we would have to give up the only player that we can that can defend Shaq.....but when trading Big usually have to give up one in return. Also....I know its not desireable....but I think that if we were to go to the Magic or Hornets and offer any 2 combinations of the players above and include our 1st round draft pick for the next season.......we may have a good chance of getting Brown, Cato or Battie.

    If you can come up with any other Center/PF that you think we can reasonably get....then let me know. We're essentially looking at upgrading Pollard who is a solid...but injury prone Backup Center.
    Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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    Re: Thoughts on remaining Big Men to trade for?

    IMO, Ratliff is the least-intimidating shot-blocker in the NBA. The only reason Ratliff gets such high praise is because there's no individual stat for goaltends.

    He's a heck of a leaper, but (A) he's a poor rebounder and (B) He goaltends nearly as much as he blocks.

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    • #3
      Re: Thoughts on remaining Big Men to trade for?

      Agree. Ratliff definitely isn't what the Pacers need. The only person he mentioned that might be nice is PJ Brown.


      • #4
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        Problem is, as long at the hornets keep winning, they'll hold on to PJ.

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        • #5
          Re: Thoughts on remaining Big Men to trade for?

          Ratliff isn't all too bad...but I do see your point...and considering that his contract is huge and he has a tendency to get injured....he may not be the best choice.

          Did I miss anyone else? I can't really think of any decent Center that could probably play some PF minutes that would be an upgrade over Pollard.

          Don't get me wrong....but if Pollard wasn't injured in some way...then I wouldn't suggest upgrading him....but we are lacking alot of frontcourt help next to JONeal and Croshere now and I really think that we need to figure out some way to address that.
          Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.


          • #6
            Re: Thoughts on remaining Big Men to trade for?

            I would love to have P.J. Brown on this team. I think he would give us a veteran presence that we need to get this team in check.

            I think that a trade for P.J. would require Pollard plus a filler and maybe a pick. I think that it is likely P.J. will be dealt to get into a better situation so I can't see New Orleans asking for to much.

            Here are a couple other names to conside:

            - Mark Blount: A solid veteran center. I feel like he defentily should do more rebounding but I think he can give us some post defense and a little scoring. I believe he is pretty avaliable too. The only problem is he is signed through 09/10 and do the Pacers really want to commit that long to Mark Blount?

            - Melvin Ely: Not exactly a league veteran but has been around for a few years. Would give us a nice athletic body on defense in the post, something we don't really have aside from Jermaine.

            - Brian Skinner: Another good athletic defender down low who may be avaliable. Nice contract as he is signed until 06/07 with a team opition in 07/08.


            • #7
              Re: Thoughts on remaining Big Men to trade for?

              I believe that Cato and Battie are both expiring contracts so you ain't gonna pry them loose for pocket change. You'll have to give them something worth making them blink over.
              Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.


              • #8
                Re: Thoughts on remaining Big Men to trade for?

                Chris Mihm is a very underrated center. Wouldn't mind seeing us try and make a push for him.

                Dikembe Mutombo is still arguably the best defensive center in the league, and a nice rebounder with great experience. I think he could come cheap.

                Lorenzen Wright is another underrated center with some talents. He's a fine scorer, solid shot blocker and rebounder. His contract is expiring which makes him a bit harder to obtain.

                Dan Gadzuric, a great rebounder and shot blocker who plays both front court positions. I doubt Milwaukee would be too keen on trading him off to a decision rival though, especially with how disappoing Jamaal "I Told You He Was Massively Overrated Back When You Were All Still Calling Him An All-Star Center" Magloire has been thus far thus year.

                Rasho Nesterovic isn't that bad is.....nevermind.

                Then there's still a few overpaid players who could go for far lesser talent due to their contracts, guys like Carlos Boozer, Erick Dampier etc.


                • #9
                  Re: Thoughts on remaining Big Men to trade for?

         the running tally so far ( just a list...regardless of their pros/cons ) is:

                  PJ Brown

                  Looking at who we will likely have to part with....I'm thinking that we would have to package Pollard ( cuz he's an acceptable Big Man going out and his expiring contract ) and Freddie ( cuz he's a young defensive minded backup SG ). I still think that if we want a decent player in return ( possibly 2 ) that we would have to include our 1st round draft pick.
                  Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.


                  • #10
                    Re: Thoughts on remaining Big Men to trade for?

                    Reggie Evans.


                    • #11
                      Re: Thoughts on remaining Big Men to trade for?

                      Joel Pryzibilla from portland is the center I want to trade for..

                      but no way we can gat him cheap....


                      • #12
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                        David Harrison
                        You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?


                        • #13
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                          Originally posted by SoupIsGood
                          David Harrison
                          Do you like David Harrison?


                          • #14
                            Re: Thoughts on remaining Big Men to trade for?

                            I just want foster back, Tins to be happy and a 20 Game Win streak

                            that will be a good regular season...
                            Ya Think Ya Used Enough Dynamite there Butch...


                            • #15
                              Re: Thoughts on remaining Big Men to trade for?

                              Originally posted by rcarey
                              Do you like David Harrison?
                              Yeah, I hear he's a pretty good banger inside, and a very nice young talent, but the Pacers would never part with him...... so I guess there's no point in wanting him on the team. -sigh-
                              You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?