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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

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It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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  • Random Thoughts NBA Edition Returns: 05-06 Thread

    I thought it was time this made a comeback:

    .....and ust like last year, I'll start out with my faovrite Random team: the Warriors. They draft all-stars, they trade all-stars, they let them walk in free agency. Which all-star will be traded in/out of Oakland this year? Who knows?

    With all the excitement over the Clippers, the Warriors are in a virtual tie with them in the division. Should be a heck of a race in the Pacific this year.

    Remember kids, there is only requirement: NOTHING RELATING TO THE INDIANA PACERS. We already have a whole forum for that, and this thread is about random BSing about basketball. I figure it might be nice to get people's minds off of your own team, which can be stressful at times.

    It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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    Re: Random Thoughts NBA Edition Returns: 05-06 Thread

    Excellent - thanks for making this, Kstat. Last year, I found myself wanting to say something that didn't warrant it's own thread, but this was always nice to fall back on. I think it should be stickied

    Anyway, speaking of the Warriors - I absolutely love what I've seen of Ike Diogu thus far. He is an above average rebounder, and has a big body around the basket for clearing guys out. He can block shots with those long arms, and I've even seen him make a couple nice passes or two. He also has real good hands for a big guy. I'm definitely going to keep a close eye on him, and he's quickly becoming one of my favourite players outside of the Pacers of course.

    I think he's going to be a very good player in this league.

    P.S. - I don't know why, but I've definitely seen the Warriors on TV up here the most so far out of any other team outside of the Raptors...their games are being aired almost every night.

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    • #3
      Re: Random Thoughts NBA Edition Returns: 05-06 Thread

      My Random thought for today 12/1/05:

      The New Orleans of Oklahoma City Hornets are 7-7! I'm sorry but there is no bigger surprise in the entire NBA right now.

      Of course, they haven't beat a team over .500 all season (Orlando is 7-7 right now) but still I thought they would be a doormat. Give Chris Paul, David West, PJ Brown, and Desmond Mason a lot of credit - they've been very good so far this season. It'll be interesting to see how they do when they play some more playoff contenders.

      Another strange thing about the Hornets is, despite a game with Miami (which they almost won BTW) how incredibly easy the first half of their season is. They don't play the Pacers or Pistons until 2006 (Detroit 1/10/06, Indiana 2/21/06). They don't play San Antonio until December 29th. I didn't know the NBA used the same type of criteria as the NFL for scheduling.

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      • #4
        Re: Random Thoughts NBA Edition Returns: 05-06 Thread

        Here comes Kendrick Perkins....

        28 minutes, 12 points, 19 boards, 4 assists, 2 blocks as a starter on 11/30

        http://www.nba.com/celtics/news/Diff...r_Perkins.html

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        • #5
          Re: Random Thoughts NBA Edition Returns: 05-06 Thread

          So far the irony awards go to...... drumroll


          Cavaliers desperate for a PG other than Snow. sign Damon Jones and now Snow is the starter...

          LA takes a chance on Kwame Brown.. and well he is still Kwame go figure no Irony there...

          Bucks in need of a Big Man draft Bogut.. then make the move to aquire Magloire as the starter and while Boguts develops. meanwhile Joe Smith returns..averages numbers just as good if not better but now could be out for 4-6 weeks after surgery ...

          Toronto trades Alston to Houston for Mike James who proceeds early on to be having a career year. While Alston injured or not looks like a shell of his former self....

          Shaq will return long enough to play 5-10 sub par games just in time to start for the East in the All- Star Game meanwhile ZO is having a turn back the clock season.

          JO is listed as a PF on the All-Star Ballot, but is playing Center and probably good have had a good run at starting....




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          Looks like George Karl is trying to Break Artest's Record for games suspended. Don't be surprised if he shows up next press conference "iced out" displaying the bling- bling if you will just to break the dress code policy.. he is on a roll...

          Why Not Us ?

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          • #6
            Re: Random Thoughts NBA Edition Returns: 05-06 Thread

            Originally posted by dannyboy
            Here comes Kendrick Perkins....

            28 minutes, 12 points, 19 boards, 4 assists, 2 blocks as a starter on 11/30

            http://www.nba.com/celtics/news/Diff...r_Perkins.html


            I've been saying this guy would be good for a long time.... I wish he were on our team..... as long as he isn't shooting freethrows.
            You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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            • #7
              Re: Random Thoughts NBA Edition Returns: 05-06 Thread

              And with Perkins development has also lead to a dissatisfied Mark Blount.

              I know there are some Blount fans around here....eh? Eh???

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              • #8
                Re: Random Thoughts NBA Edition Returns: 05-06 Thread

                Speaking IU-Duke,

                That Marco Killingsworth dude is a hoss. Too bad he's not 6'10". He has an NBA future IMO. The guy has footwork and low post moves, which shows a good work ethic at his young age. It's been awhile since I've seen college guys post up with such authority and use drop steps, spin moves, head fakes, ball fakes, and such.

                Impressive.
                The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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                  Re: Random Thoughts NBA Edition Returns: 05-06 Thread

                  Originally posted by pacertom
                  Speaking IU-Duke,

                  That Marco Killingsworth dude is a hoss. Too bad he's not 6'10". He has an NBA future IMO. The guy has footwork and low post moves, which shows a good work ethic at his young age. It's been awhile since I've seen college guys post up with such authority and use drop steps, spin moves, head fakes, ball fakes, and such.

                  Impressive.
                  He reminds me of David West a little. A smaller NBA PF body but a good post and face-up game. West is making a pretty good arguement for Most Improved Player in the earlier going for the Hornets.

                  If Killingsworth continues his dominant play and has an All-American type season he'll definitely be a first round NBA player - probably lottery. Just look at Villanueva and Channing Frye.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Random Thoughts NBA Edition Returns: 05-06 Thread

                    Josh Howard is the most underrated player in the NBA.
                    #DBAP

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                    • #11
                      Re: Random Thoughts NBA Edition Returns: 05-06 Thread

                      The Raptors win their 2nd!!! In a nail-biter against the HAWKS!

                      Well, that was a fun game to watch..........................

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                      • #12
                        Re: Random Thoughts NBA Edition Returns: 05-06 Thread

                        ^ That game had the worst combined losing percentage between the two teams of any game ever. 10% I think.
                        You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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                        • #13
                          Re: Random Thoughts NBA Edition Returns: 05-06 Thread

                          Has any team ever played an easier schedule then the first month of the Pistons? My God. How many winning teams have they played? 2, maybe 3? The only truly "good" team they've played has been the Mavs and they were absolutely DESTROYED by them.
                          I'm not sayng the Pistons are frauds, but I'll have to see them beat some actual teams before I label them the legitimate team to beat.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Random Thoughts NBA Edition Returns: 05-06 Thread

                            Seth, I'm starting to think you don't like the Pistons.
                            You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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                              Re: Random Thoughts NBA Edition Returns: 05-06 Thread

                              Originally posted by SoupIsGood
                              Seth, I'm starting to think you don't like the Pistons.
                              You sir would be correct. I don't like any non-Pacers teams, but I borderline hate the Pistons. I like Billups as a person, but I despise the Wallaces and Rip. And worst of all, I despise their fans. I think IndyStar has turned me against anything Detroit-related, including the pathetic Lions. Now thats bad.

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