The Rules of Pacers Digest

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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

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B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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NY Post ~ Artest Returns but Says He Won't Back Down

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  • NY Post ~ Artest Returns but Says He Won't Back Down

    Artest Returns but Says He Won't Back Down

    Published: October 12, 2005

    EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J., Oct. 11 - Before playing his first N.B.A. game in almost 11 months Tuesday night, Pacers forward Ron Artest insisted he had learned from last year's brawl with Detroit Pistons fans, which resulted in the longest suspension in league history.
    But even if he has matured, do not expect Artest to be mild-mannered every time he plays or politically correct every time he speaks.

    Talking with reporters at Continental Arena before Indiana lost to the Nets, 105-103, in the preseason opener for both teams, Artest showed he was still in touch with his inner Rodman.
    "I'm going to be very edgy, and I'm not going to balance it," he said. "I'm ready to play some games and sell some records."
    Artest's return to the court went off without incident and he had 8 points and 3 rebounds. Perhaps more telling, however, was that the Nets' Vince Carter, whom Artest guarded during most of his 12 minutes in the game, scored 18 points.
    "I thought Ron struggled," Pacers Coach Rick Carlisle said. "At times, he went away from what we were doing as a team, and that disappointed me."
    The Nets' three stars - Carter, Jason Kidd and Richard Jefferson - each played less than 20 minutes in the team's first tuneup.
    Guard Zoran Planinic hit a running layup with 5.9 seconds remaining to give the Nets the victory.
    The newly acquired big man Marc Jackson displayed Alonzo Mourning-like qualities. He was boisterous in every thing he did - screaming for help on defense, leaping over two Indiana players for a rebound and bowling into the lane to attempt a layup.
    "That's just me," said Jackson, who sustained a mild groin strain but said he would be O.K. "I just love this game."
    Artest seemed mellow. He has not played an official N.B.A. game, nor has he sold many records, since Nov. 19, when he climbed into the stands at the Palace of Auburn Hills in search of a fan who had thrown a cup of liquid on him. That cost Artest the final 73 games of the regular season, as well as the Pacers' 13 postseason games.
    Artest made it clear that he was eager to lace up his basketball shoes again.
    Artest, 25, said he played a lot of pickup games and practiced with the Pacers during his suspension. But he acknowledged he needed time to settle in.
    "I've got to just let it come to me in the offense," Artest said after the game. "I just kept adjusting defensively. When I left last season, it was a totally different style, so I have to get back my timing and adjust."
    Artest started on Tuesday night, but Carlisle has considered bringing him off the bench, hoping he will bring more offense to the second unit.
    Although some may wonder whether Artest will be worried that the officials will watch him more closely than other players and will back down his aggressive play, Carlisle has no such apprehension.
    "He's here to play, he's here to win," Carlisle said. "His moods are much more affected by winning and losing than anything else. I love having guys like that."
    Pacers forward Jermaine O'Neal said he was happy to have Artest back for his skills and his personality.
    O'Neal said he had seen a relaxed Artest during training camp. Artest, usually quiet, has been very talkative and upbeat, O'Neal said.
    "He's more at peace," O'Neal said. "He's a really happy guy right now. He really likes to be around the locker room and the guys now."
    Fans at the Meadowlands had little reaction to Artest. But he will probably be subject to heckling as the season progresses. He assured that there would not be a repeat of what happened last year at the Palace.
    "I'm only worried about my fans," Artest said. "That's it. Indiana fans."

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    Re: NY Post ~ Artest Returns but Says He Won't Back Down

    Jesus - btown, there are a couple more good quotes for your sig in there.


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      Re: NY Post ~ Artest Returns but Says He Won't Back Down

      "I'm ready to play some games and sell some records."

      Last year he played 7 games and sold about 7 records.
      The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).


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        Re: NY Post ~ Artest Returns but Says He Won't Back Down

        Not to steal your thread dawg just thought this was too similar to create an additional thread. Thanks....

        He claims that he's even looking forward to being asked the same old questions about his temper with every new city he visits this season.

        His rationale:

        "I get a chance to promote my album (entitled True Warrior). Nothing better than that," he said. "Jay-Z pays millions for promotion, I get it for free."

        As for his game, he says it's changed for the better. He claims to be 260 pounds, which sounds like a stretch, but he insists it won't diminish the one area in which he beats the world -- pressuring the ball.

        "I can still play defense," Artest said. "I play with my head anyway. I was never quicker than those other guys I was guarding. I don't dunk on people. I just know how to stop my opponent.

        "I think my jumper is a little bit more (pure). I'm more automatic. I think I saw something last year in my team. I have confidence that we can win. They played great without me. I'm ready to come back and fit in."

        Notes: The Nets' second/third unit played well last night -- notably Zoran Planinic (14 points), who played the point and hit a driving bank shot off a side out-of-bounds play with 5.9 seconds left to lift his team to a 105-103 victory in the preseason opener. Vince Carter led the Nets with 18 points. Artest played only 12 minutes, scoring eight points (3-for-8). ... Center Marc Jackson, who actually hit a 3-pointer, suffered a mild groin strain, but doesn't expect to miss any time. ... Jeff McInnis (back sprain) was the only Net who didn't suit up, but he continues to improve, even riding the stationary bike at a nice pace yesterday. He'll travel with the team tomorrow night to Charlotte, which is his hometown, but it's unlikely he'll play this week.... Jason Collins did play for the Nets despite recurring swelling in his right knee, and he even had a dunk in the first quarter.... Most of the Pacers big men sat out, including Jermaine O'Neal (right thigh contusion), Jeff Foster, David Harrison and rookie Danny Granger.
        You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....


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          Re: NY Post ~ Artest Returns but Says He Won't Back Down

          Okay, to set the record straight for those who didn't see the game, Ron absolutely did not guard Vince most of the game. He started out on RJeff, and only played Vince briefly in the 3rd quarter when Jack didn't play. I remember him giving up a shooting foul to Carter, that's it. Those are the only points he gave up the whole game.
          Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!


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            Re: NY Post ~ Artest Returns but Says He Won't Back Down

            Originally posted by Kegboy
            Okay, to set the record straight for those who didn't see the game, Ron absolutely did not guard Vince most of the game. He started out on RJeff, and only played Vince briefly in the 3rd quarter when Jack didn't play. I remember him giving up a shooting foul to Carter, that's it. Those are the only points he gave up the whole game.
            Yep. VC got most of his points over Jackson and AJ/Fred if I remember right...

            Artest was on Jefferson almost all of the 1st quarter.


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              Re: NY Post ~ Artest Returns but Says He Won't Back Down

              Originally posted by Kegboy
              Okay, to set the record straight for those who didn't see the game, Ron absolutely did not guard Vince most of the game. He started out on RJeff, and only played Vince briefly in the 3rd quarter when Jack didn't play. I remember him giving up a shooting foul to Carter, that's it. Those are the only points he gave up the whole game.
              I didn't see it, I thought I remembered Artest guarding him briefly in the first quarter and giving up a shooting foul and a dunk. Seems like Slick made a comment when Jefferson went out that Ron held him scoreless, then Carter promptly scored on him after Jackson went out.........but I could be wrong...............
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