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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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  • Like C.Web is the difference?

    Here's this week's Power Ranking's.......They must think a RUSTY C.Webber is a difference....(I don't think so)!
    POWER RANKINGS
    Current Team Previous
    1 Sacramento Kings 1
    Chris Webber is back, and they really haven't missed a beat. But now the schedule gets real tough and we'll see how it goes.
    2 Indiana Pacers 2
    These guys hardly waver, which is a reflection of their defense, Jermaine O'Neal and the focus of coach Rick Carlisle.
    3 Detroit Pistons 6
    Five games now and nobody has reached 70 points. They don't just shut people down, they lock 'em up and throw away the key.
    4 Minnesota Timberwolves 3
    They're really struggling to incorporate three guys who have been out all year. The next step could be hyperventilation.
    5 San Antonio Spurs 4
    Without Tim Duncan, they're still 5-3. Not only do they play great defense, but Gregg Popovich is so underrated it's absurd.
    6 Los Angeles Lakers 5
    They're not 100 percent healthy, but at least everybody is back on the floor. To underestimate them would be crazy.
    7 Dallas Mavericks 8
    No way these guys should be 13-20 on the road. Nellie should have cut back Antoine Walker's minutes sooner.
    8 Memphis Grizzlies 7
    They finally lost again after winning seven in a row and 13 of 15. Now we'll see how they respond to the return to earth.
    9 Houston Rockets 10
    Maybe NOW they have it together after several false positives. Jim Jackson's presence is helping Yao Ming more daily.
    10 New Jersey Nets 9
    They are breaking down a little bit with Jason Kidd's knee and Kenyon Martin's ankle. Do they have enough depth?
    11 Denver Nuggets 14
    Bouncing back with three wins in four games relieves some of the pressure. Let's see if they can hang on now.
    12 Portland Trail Blazers 15
    Maybe they just caught the Timberwolves and Kings at the right time, or maybe they're for real. We'll know soon.
    13 Utah Jazz 12
    Gordan Giricek was a steal for the offense he brings them, now we'll see if they have enough inside.
    14 Cleveland Cavaliers 18
    Anybody who says they REALLY thought LeBron James could lead them into the playoffs as a rookie is lying.
    15 New Orleans Hornets 13
    Tim Floyd apologists notwithstanding, Paul Silas had to win with the same injuries to Jamal Mashburn and others.
    16 Milwaukee Bucks 11
    They're really struggling. To blow a 26-point lead to the Knicks at home is the low point of the season.
    17 Miami Heat 19
    They don't have much in the way of size, winning experience or depth, but that starting lineup is talented and improving quickly.
    18 New York Knicks 17
    Vin Baker helps them inside and allows Isiah Thomas to package Kurt Thomas somewhere this summer.
    19 Boston Celtics 16
    Paul Pierce surpassed Larry Bird as the Celtic to reach 10,000 points in the fewest games. Not that he'll surpass any more of Bird's records.
    20 Toronto Raptors 23
    With Jalen Rose back early, and Vince Carter and Chris Bosh healthy, they'll be in the playoff hunt all the way.
    21 Seattle SuperSonics 20
    After losing 17 of 22 without him, Brent Barry's splashy return makes the sad Sonics offseason more of a quandary.
    22 Philadelphia 76ers 24
    This Allen Iverson/Chris Ford thing is out of hand. Does A.I. really have to go now?
    23 Los Angeles Clippers 21
    Same story, different season. Promising young talent, injuries hit, confidence sags, hope for a high lottery pick.
    24 Golden State Warriors 22
    Rather than go into any more unnecessary details over the same old mess, just see above explanation.
    25 Phoenix Suns 26
    When Jerry Colangelo announces he's on the verge of selling, you know this franchise is in for a major transition.
    26 Atlanta Hawks 28
    The Hawks actually placed five players in double figures in their win over the Wizards. Then again, it was the Wizards.
    27 Washington Wizards 25
    Evidently, somebody got to Jerry Stackhouse and said, "Hey, since we're still paying, you're still playing."
    28 Orlando Magic 29
    John Gabriel out, John Weisbrod in as general manager. Neither 62 points nor a scoring title provide solace for Tracy McGrady.
    29 Chicago Bulls 27
    It's hard to fathom that a franchise that so dominated the terrain for a decade can be in such a state of disrepair.

  • #2
    Re: Like C.Web is the difference?

    Had we not lost to the Cavs the Pacers would have been the #1 in the power rankings.

    Where are those from?

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    • #3
      Re: Like C.Web is the difference?

      Not the PR in the NBA mean's anything.......The Pacer's just can't get any (RESPECT)!ABC just added a Pacer game to their schedule....this late in the season.?I say Screw ABC.....ESPN and all the networks....(TNT has had a few of our game's)...ONLY by contract only!IMHO.....I wish they'd just leave us off National TV (UNTIL the Playoff's)!No harm------no foul!The World WILL see our Pacer's come Playoff time and be AMAZED by what we have here in Indiana. : : :

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      • #4
        Re: Like C.Web is the difference?

        They made the schedule after they lost to the Celtics and before they hired Rick.

        Heck I didnt have much hope for the season untill they hired Rick. Once Brad was gone and Isiah was still here I figured we were headed for the lottery. So why would they be any different.

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        • #5
          Re: Like C.Web is the difference?

          PR's --Got it here!
          http://www.sportsline.com/nba/story/7181172

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          • #6
            Re: Like C.Web is the difference?

            We finally made it to #2 in Jeff Sagarin's ratings (whoever the heck he is):

            http://www.kiva.net/~jsagarin/sports/nbasend.htm

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            • #7
              Re: Like C.Web is the difference?

              Had we not lost to the Cavs the Pacers would have been the #1 in the power rankings.

              Where are those from?
              http://www.sportsline.com/nba/story/7181172

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              • #8
                Re: Like C.Web is the difference?

                My point is this------->We have had the best record or 2nd best record in the NBA all year long.......and now we are getting a change in the TV-and game schedule to help out ESPN/ABC for their gain's!Now they want to showcase our Pacer's....@ the end of the season.......! We have the best record vs. Left Coast team's.....and Just now -(Playoff time)--They want to show case our Pacer's.I can live with it...but to me here------->it just show's the BIAS of the NBA on National TV scheduling!

                : : :

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                • #9
                  Re: Like C.Web is the difference?

                  We finally made it to #2 in Jeff Sagarin's ratings (whoever the heck he is)It's just a ranking from a columist on CBS)!

                  http://www.kiva.net/~jsagarin/sports/nbasend.htm

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                  • #10
                    Re: Like C.Web is the difference?

                    We finally made it to #2 in Jeff Sagarin's ratings (whoever the heck he is):

                    http://www.kiva.net/~jsagarin/sports/nbasend.htm
                    Sagarin is a computer geek from Bloomington Indiana. He's been perfecting his ranking system for years. His college rankings for basketball are even used by the selection commitee along with the RPI.

                    He does lots of sports:

                    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin.htm
                    The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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                    • #11
                      Re: Like C.Web is the difference?

                      We finally made it to #2 in Jeff Sagarin's ratings (whoever the heck he is):

                      http://www.kiva.net/~jsagarin/sports/nbasend.htm
                      Sagarin is a computer geek from Bloomington Indiana. He's been perfecting his ranking system for years. His college rankings for basketball are even used by the selection commitee along with the RPI.

                      He does lots of sports:

                      http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin.htm
                      The top 11 SOS are all Western Conference teams. I still don't buy that we're 27th.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Like C.Web is the difference?

                        I just assume stay at number 2. Last year when we hit #1 on the ESPN power rankings is when the wheels fell off and the 2nd half season slide occured.

                        Even though those rankings are silly and meaningless - I look at them every Monday!!
                        "I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post."

                        --Jack Nicholson as Colonel Nathan Jessup in A Few Good Men

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