The Rules of Pacers Digest

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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
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Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

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    Pacers play it safe with rookie

    By Mike Wells

    Danny Granger's debut in an Indiana Pacers uniform could be put on hold.

    The Pacers might hold out their first-round pick from this week's summer league in Minneapolis because a knee injury has not completely healed.

    "His knee is structurally fine, but he's at about 80 percent strength-wise of where he needs to be," Pacers coach Rick Carlisle said. "We're going to make sure his strength level gets to where it needs to be before we push it. We feel like there's no need to take that kind of risk."

    Granger, the No. 17 pick in last month's NBA draft, injured his left knee in January while at the University of New Mexico. He was expected to be out several weeks after having surgery, but missed just three games.

    "I came back earlier then they thought and with the draft camp and everything, I didn't have any time to rehab it," Granger said.

    The Pacers, who are holding a rookie/free agent camp at Conseco Fieldhouse until Thursday, will play five games in Minnesota's summer league July 15-19.

    Granger is taking part in non-contact drills and he's expected to travel to Minneapolis with the team.

    "We're going to do a lot of skill-type things with him," Carlisle said. "He can do a lot of stuff; he just won't be scrimmaging."

    Jones sitting, watching

    Restricted free agent James Jones has watched as some of the marquee free agents have agreed to contract terms with teams around the league. He knows his time will come.

    "Right now it's all about the major free agents getting their deals," Jones said from his home in Miami. "Once those guys get done, things should pick up for some of us other players. It's not discouraging."

    By being a restricted free agent, the Pacers can match any offer made to Jones up to the midlevel exception, which is about $5 million a year. Jones isn't expected to get that high of an offer. Pacers officials have said they want to re-sign Jones.

    Jones declined to say which teams have shown interest, but Detroit and San Antonio are believed to like the 6-8 swingman. Jones averaged 4.9 points and 2.3 rebounds in 75 games, including 24 starts, last season.

    "The Pacers are a team I want to play for," said Jones, who was a second-round pick in 2003. "They took a chance on me when other teams didn't want to and I'm grateful for that."

    Going to China

    Pacers assistant coach Chad Forcier is leaving for Beijing today to take part in Basketball Without Borders, a basketball camp that features 50 of Asia's top players.

    "I've never gone overseas to do this type of thing before," Forcier said. "Our organization wants to take part in these types of things and this is something I want to do."

    Among the NBA players expected to take part in the four-day camp, which starts Thursday, are Houston's Yao Ming and San Antonio's Tony Parker.

  • #2
    Re: Pacers play it safe with rookie

    oh great


    • #3
      Re: Pacers play it safe with rookie

      This is worrisome. Granger had surgery some time last winter did he not? And his knee is only 80% rehabbed from that? We were assured that Granger fell to us for the most marginal of reasons. Perhaps our crack medical staff missed something that other teams did not. Calling Dr.Dyrek!


      • #4
        Re: Pacers play it safe with rookie

        I'm sure he'll be ok. Keep in mind this is the team that's had to deal with Bender for the past 5 years or so. Erring on the side of caution and getting him ready for the regular season is the priority.


        • #5
          Re: Pacers play it safe with rookie

          Originally posted by rabidpacersfan
          I'm sure he'll be ok. Keep in mind this is the team that's had to deal with Bender for the past 5 years or so. Erring on the side of caution and getting him ready for the regular season is the priority.
          I hope you're right. Caution would be advisable, especially during the summer, but I still don't see how a knee only recovers 80% strength in what 6, 7 months. I also have yet to get any details on what the makeup of our medical/training staff consists of, personnel-wise. So I guess my skeptism is based on what we experienced last year.


          • #6
            Re: Pacers play it safe with rookie

            Here's the optimist view: If he was good enough to get drafted in the first round with a knee that's only 80%, just think how good he'll be when it's healed.
            You're caught up in the Internet / you think it's such a great asset / but you're wrong, wrong, wrong
            All that fiber optic gear / still cannot take away the fear / like an island song

            - Jimmy Buffett


            • #7
              Re: Pacers play it safe with rookie

              Originally posted by McClintic Sphere
              I hope you're right. Caution would be advisable, especially during the summer, but I still don't see how a knee only recovers 80% strength in what 6, 7 months. I also have yet to get any details on what the makeup of our medical/training staff consists of, personnel-wise. So I guess my skeptism is based on what we experienced last year.
              Because to get full recovery you have to do rehab, not just be able to use the injury-affected area. What they are wanting to do is to actually get him through rehab activity so he can get the remaining 20% back.

              A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
              Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...


              • #8
                Re: Pacers play it safe with rookie

                Not a big deal IMO.
                You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?


                • #9
                  Re: Pacers play it safe with rookie

                  Guess that's why Granger fell so low. Hope he's not another Bender.

                  Also doesn't sound like JJ is a lock to resign with us. Although that's been a pretty logical assumption for a while now.



                  • #10
                    Re: Pacers play it safe with rookie

                    I have to agree no big deal.. Granger had the surgery then played on the knee during the Conference tourney , playing well enough to get tourney MVP over Andrew Bogut. He then played in the NCAA tourney.

                    He hurried back to play , then had all the pre draft tryouts. As Danny said , he's not had time to do strengthening therapy yet.

                    I had surgery for a meniscus tear getting it from 80% to 100% will only take a matter of weeks. The fact he was playing on it after 3 games probably about 14 days , shows the tear was minor. Thus strengthing it with exercises will be no problem.

                    He could play on it now , but why risk it? Its 11 weeks before training game thats more than enough time.

                    No structural damage is the key. But it is too bad he won't get to play in the summer league.


                    • #11
                      Re: Pacers play it safe with rookie

                      It's worrisome, but at the same time with this 80% knee he went through all the pre-draft workouts and the like, and did really well.


                      • #12
                        Re: Pacers play it safe with rookie

                        I had very minor knee surgery, twice. Both times, it was because my knee cap would pop out of place.

                        All they did was cut some of the tissue so it would stop pulling so hard on the knee cap.

                        It took me about a month before I could walk without a limp. And it wasn't until about 4 month until i could actually start running and doing the things I used to.

                        However, I still wasn't as fast, or able to do some of the things I could do until now.. about 12 month later.

                        I know I didn't have all the medical staff that he has, but I play football for Northcentral; and the two medical doctors bother work for IU, and one works with the Colts also.

                        But this was just a minor minor surgery, so I don't think Granger still being 80% is much of a concern.


                        • #13
                          Re: Pacers play it safe with rookie

                          I would have liked to see Danny in the summer league but this is good if is hurt let him get that knee to a 100%, you dont want him getting hurt in a damn summer league game.


                          • #14
                            Re: Pacers play it safe with rookie

                            WTF - SUmmer league hasn't started and we're talking about injuries again.

                            “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” - Winston Churchill

                            “If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible warning.” - Catherine Aird


                            • #15
                              Re: Pacers play it safe with rookie

                              I would bet double that this is from what they learned with Bender. First you heal, then you rehab until you get FULL (or close) strength back, THEN you play.