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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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  • Who are the FA this year?

    Where is there a listing of FA's that will be available this summer?

    I was reading the story about Cleveland getting to $20 mil or more under the cap and wondered just WTH they would be targeting. IE...if they do release Big Z...who is out there that they feel is better?

    The idea of adding some top notch FA to LeBron is something that grabs my attention anyway.
    Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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    Re: Who are the FA this year?

    I do believe these are the FA's.

    Atlanta
    Obinna Ekezie Unrestricted Free Agent
    Tom Gugliotta Unrestricted Free Agent
    Tyronn Lue Unrestricted Free Agent
    Michael Stewart Unrestricted Free Agent
    James Thomas Unrestricted Free Agent
    Kevin Willis Unrestricted Free Agent

    Boston
    Gary Payton Unrestricted Free Agent
    Antoine Walker Unrestricted Free Agent

    Charlotte
    Cory Alexander Unrestricted Free Agent
    Malik Allen Unrestricted Free Agent
    Keith Bogans Restricted Free Agent
    Matt Carroll Unrestricted Free Agent
    Jason Kapono Restricted Free Agent
    Brevin Knight Unrestricted Free Agent
    Kareem Rush Unrestricted Free Agent
    Theron Smith Restricted Free Agent
    Gerald Wallace Restricted Free Agent

    Chicago
    Tyson Chandler Restricted Free Agent
    Eddy Curry Restricted Free Agent
    Chris Duhon Restricted Free Agent
    Adrian Griffin Unrestricted Free Agent
    Othella Harrington Unrestricted Free Agent
    Jannero Pargo Restricted Free Agent
    Jared Reiner Restricted Free Agent
    Frank Williams Unrestricted Free Agent

    Cleveland
    DeSagana Diop Restricted Free Agent
    Zydrunas Ilgauskas Unrestricted Free Agent
    Jeff McInnis Unrestricted Free Agent
    Dajuan Wagner Unrestricted Free Agent
    Scott Williams Unrestricted Free Agent

    Dallas
    Darrell Armstrong Unrestricted Free Agent
    Alan Henderson Unrestricted Free Agent

    Denver
    DerMarr Johnson Unrestricted Free Agent
    Wesley Person Unrestricted Free Agent
    Mark Pope Unrestricted Free Agent
    Bryon Russell Unrestricted Free Agent

    Detroit
    Elden Campbell Unrestricted Free Agent
    Darvin Ham Unrestricted Free Agent
    Horace Jenkins Restricted Free Agent

    Current Free Agents
    Jerome Beasley Restricted Free Agent
    Geno Carlisle Restricted Free Agent
    Roger Mason Restricted Free Agent
    Jamal Sampson Restricted Free Agent

    Golden State
    Nikoloz Tskitishvili Unrestricted Free Agent

    Houston
    Jon Barry Unrestricted Free Agent
    Ryan Bowen Unrestricted Free Agent
    Torraye Braggs Unrestricted Free Agent
    Dikembe Mutombo Unrestricted Free Agent

    Indiana
    Dale Davis Unrestricted Free Agent
    John Edwards Restricted Free Agent
    James Jones Restricted Free Agent

    L.A. Clippers
    Rick Brunson Unrestricted Free Agent
    Marko Jaric Restricted Free Agent
    Kerry Kittles Unrestricted Free Agent
    Mikki Moore Unrestricted Free Agent
    Zeljko Rebracca Unrestricted Free Agent
    Bobby Simmons Unrestricted Free Agent

    L.A. Lakers
    Tony Bobbitt Restricted Free Agent
    Tierre Brown Unrestricted Free Agent
    Luke Walton Restricted Free Agent

    Memphis
    Ryan Humphrey Unrestricted Free Agent
    Stromile Swift Unrestricted Free Agent
    Earl Watson Unrestricted Free Agent

    Miami
    Shandon Anderson Unrestricted Free Agent
    Udonis Haslem Restricted Free Agent
    Christian Laettner Unrestricted Free Agent
    Alonzo Mourning Unrestricted Free Agent
    Steve Smith Unrestricted Free Agent
    Wang Zhizhi Unrestricted Free Agent

    Milwaukee
    Marcus Fizer Unrestricted Free Agent
    Dan Gadzuric Restricted Free Agent
    Anthony Goldwire Unrestricted Free Agent
    Toni Kukoc Unrestricted Free Agent
    Zaza Pachulia Restricted Free Agent
    Daniel Santiago Unrestricted Free Agent
    Erick Strickland Unrestricted Free Agent
    Anthony Carter Unrestricted Free Agent

    Minnesota
    Eddie Griffin Restricted Free Agent
    Ervin Johnson Unrestricted Free Agent
    Mark Madsen Unrestricted Free Agent
    Latrell Sprewell Unrestricted Free Agent
    John Thomas Unrestricted Free Agent

    New Jersey
    Travis Best Unrestricted Free Agent
    Rodney Buford Unrestricted Free Agent
    Brian Scalabrine Unrestricted Free Agent
    Jabari Smith Unrestricted Free Agent
    Billy Thomas Unrestricted Free Agent

    New Orleans
    Dan Dickau Unrestricted Free Agent
    Casey Jacobsen Unrestricted Free Agent
    Bostjan Nachbar Unrestricted Free Agent
    Lee Nailon Unrestricted Free Agent

    New York
    Jermaine Jackson Unrestricted Free Agent
    Bruno Sundov Unrestricted Free Agent

    Orlando
    Andre Barrett Unrestricted Free Agent
    Andrew DeClercq Unrestricted Free Agent
    Brandon Hunter Restricted Free Agent
    Mark Jones Unrestricted Free Agent

    Philadelphia
    Matt Barnes Restricted Free Agent
    Samuel Dalembert Restricted Free Agent
    Josh Davis Restricted Free Agent
    Willie Green Restricted Free Agent
    Kyle Korver Restricted Free Agent
    Rodney Rogers Unrestricted Free Agent

    Phoenix
    Joe Johnson Restricted Free Agent
    Bo Outlaw Unrestricted Free Agent

    Portland
    Shareef Abdur-Rahim Unrestricted Free Agent
    Richie Frahm Restricted Free Agent
    Ha Seung-Jin Restricted Free Agent
    Damon Stoudamire Unrestricted Free Agent

    Sacramento
    Erik Daniels Restricted Free Agent
    Maurice Evans Restricted Free Agent
    Eddie House Unrestricted Free Agent
    Bobby Jackson Unrestricted Free Agent

    San Antonio
    Devin Brown Restricted Free Agent
    Linton Johnson Restricted Free Agent
    Sean Marks Unrestricted Free Agent
    Tony Massenburg Unrestricted Free Agent
    Glenn Robinson Unrestricted Free Agent
    Mike Wilks Unrestricted Free Agent

    Seattle
    Ray Allen Unrestricted Free Agent
    Mateen Cleaves Unrestricted Free Agent
    Reggie Evans Restricted Free Agent
    Jerome James Unrestricted Free Agent
    Ronald Murray Restricted Free Agent
    Vitaly Potapenko Unrestricted Free Agent
    Vladimir Radmanovic Restricted Free Agent
    Damien Wilkins Restricted Free Agent

    Toronto
    Matt Bonner Restricted Free Agent
    Omar Cook Unrestricted Free Agent
    Donyell Marshall Unrestricted Free Agent
    Milt Palacio Unrestricted Free Agent

    Utah
    Raja Bell Unrestricted Free Agent
    Howard Eisley Unrestricted Free Agent
    Ben Handlogten Unrestricted Free Agent
    Randy Livingston Unrestricted Free Agent
    Keith McLeod Restricted Free Agent

    Washington
    Steve Blake Restricted Free Agent
    Damone Brown Unrestricted Free Agent
    Kwame Brown Restricted Free Agent
    Juan Dixon Unrestricted Free Agent
    Larry Hughes Unrestricted Free Agent
    Anthony Peeler Unrestricted Free Agent
    Laron Profit Unrestricted Free Agent
    Michael Ruffin Unrestricted Free Agent

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    • #3
      Re: Who are the FA this year?

      Wow...you've got way too much free time...thanks for taking the time to do that.

      NOw I gotta go study it...'cause unless Curry is ok, I'm not sure any of the big men are any better than Z.
      Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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      • #4
        Re: Who are the FA this year?

        Originally posted by indygeezer
        Wow...you've got way too much free time...thanks for taking the time to do that.

        NOw I gotta go study it...'cause unless Curry is ok, I'm not sure any of the big men are any better than Z.

        Actually, I had that saved on my computer for a rainy day.

        And Curry's heart ailment is nothing more than a stock dropping scheme. I believe he'll be fine and back with the Bulls next season.

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        • #5
          Re: Who are the FA this year?

          Originally posted by indygeezer
          Where is there a listing of FA's that will be available this summer?

          I was reading the story about Cleveland getting to $20 mil or more under the cap and wondered just WTH they would be targeting. IE...if they do release Big Z...who is out there that they feel is better?

          The idea of adding some top notch FA to LeBron is something that grabs my attention anyway.

          http://www.pacersdigest.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=12477

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          • #6
            Re: Who are the FA this year?

            I was reading how Cleveland is gonna be 24 mil under the cap in the 2006 season. That should be enough to sign 2 impact FAs that summer.

            Looking at our Salary cap situation...what year are we gonna have the most money freed up?

            Is it when Croshere and Bender come off the books in 2 seasons?
            Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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            • #7
              Re: Who are the FA this year?

              Originally posted by CableKC
              Is it when Croshere and Bender come off the books in 2 seasons?
              Barring trades and/or a drastic increase in the cap, no time soon. In 2009-10, the Pacers will be sitting around 38 million -- barely under today's cap -- barring any potential signings.

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              • #8
                Re: Who are the FA this year?

                I'd like to see Indiana get a lights out shooter ala Jason Kaponno or Kyle Koorver. I doubt we get either though, especially Kyle Koorver.

                Another solid addition could be Richie Frahm.

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                • #9
                  Re: Who are the FA this year?

                  Originally posted by Kraft
                  Barring trades and/or a drastic increase in the cap, no time soon. In 2009-10, the Pacers will be sitting around 38 million -- barely under today's cap -- barring any potential signings.
                  After the Pacers kick Croshere and/or Bender to the curb.....are we gonna have enough to at least sign a somewhat decent FA that year?

                  I hate that we are in a sitution where we can't get the type of impact player that we want without making a trade for players that we want.
                  Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Who are the FA this year?

                    Originally posted by rommie
                    I'd like to see Indiana get a lights out shooter ala Jason Kaponno or Kyle Koorver. I doubt we get either though, especially Kyle Koorver.

                    Another solid addition could be Richie Frahm.
                    Unless he is a role player....any of those players would be playing the 3rd backup position for either the SG/SF spots.
                    Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Who are the FA this year?

                      Originally posted by CableKC
                      After the Pacers kick Croshere and/or Bender to the curb.....are we gonna have enough to at least sign a somewhat decent FA that year?

                      I hate that we are in a sitution where we can't get the type of impact player that we want without making a trade for players that we want.
                      To answer you're question, no, not outright. It'll be the same thing as every year -- the mid-level exception, which is certainly enough to sign someone of use. It's just a matter of spending the money.

                      Ah, the curse of having good players under long-term contracts -- Artest, Jackson, O'Neal, Tinsley, Foster all signed for at least four more years. And generally, all reasonably priced.

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