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Solid win last night vs. the Jazz

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  • #16
    Re: Solid win last night vs. the Jazz

    I'm gonna disagree with the basic premise.

    I thought this game was the whole "live and die by the three-point shot", all wrapped up in two completely disparate halves of a basketball game.

    Granted, the fourth quarter was a breath of fresh air for this team, given thier recent struggles and the big blown lead last night. But really, I think right now we're 100% dependent on our shooters being "red hot" and we've got a team full of streaky guys.
    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
    And life itself, rushing over me
    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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    • #17
      Re: Solid win last night vs. the Jazz

      Originally posted by Jay@Section204
      I'm gonna disagree with the basic premise.

      I thought this game was the whole "live and die by the three-point shot", all wrapped up in two completely disparate halves of a basketball game.

      Granted, the fourth quarter was a breath of fresh air for this team, given thier recent struggles and the big blown lead last night. But really, I think right now we're 100% dependent on our shooters being "red hot" and we've got a team full of streaky guys.


      I don't think anyone in their right mind with disagree with that at all.

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      • #18
        Re: Solid win last night vs. the Jazz

        Nope won't disagree with the premise at all.

        However a win is a win & I'll take 2 wins & 1 loss vs. 3 losses anyday.

        I hate the three as much as you guys do, however we have to be realisitic, they are gonna take it. We have to hope they quit taking it so much, but there are just gonna be times when it happens.


        Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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        • #19
          Re: Solid win last night vs. the Jazz

          Originally posted by Peck
          Nope won't disagree with the premise at all.

          However a win is a win & I'll take 2 wins & 1 loss vs. 3 losses anyday.

          I hate the three as much as you guys do, however we have to be realisitic, they are gonna take it. We have to hope they quit taking it so much, but there are just gonna be times when it happens.

          Agreed. I just see our problems right now as being something bigger/ more fundamental than Dale alone can solve. I think he's been a spark, certainly. And I've enjoyed it. But so was James Jones during the last week of November. I think teams, especially our E.C. foes, will adjust to Dale's presence pretty quickly.
          Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
          Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
          Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
          Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
          And life itself, rushing over me
          Life itself, the wind in black elms,
          Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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          • #20
            Re: Solid win last night vs. the Jazz

            Originally posted by Ragnar
            I know I am just going to sound like the Jamaal Tinsley guy when I say this but Harrison looked better IMO because Jamaal could get him the ball in scoring position. Other than the Orlando game he has not faired as well without Jamaal.
            The Hulkster looked better back when the refs let him play.........
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            • #21
              Re: Solid win last night vs. the Jazz

              Originally posted by Jay@Section204
              Agreed. I just see our problems right now as being something bigger/ more fundamental than Dale alone can solve. I think he's been a spark, certainly. And I've enjoyed it. But so was James Jones during the last week of November. I think teams, especially our E.C. foes, will adjust to Dale's presence pretty quickly.
              I don't want to sound like an idiot here, ok to late for that I realize, but I don't think you can adjust to solid inside defense without comprimising your game.

              Utah adjusted last night, they took more jumpers.

              Dale is on top of all things, a smart player. He does not get by with athlticism alone, although he is athletic.

              Now teams will start to try & expose the front court weakness on offense real soon so if that's what you mean I agree.

              But I don't think there is anything they can do but try & adjust thier plan of attack on offense & if that is the case then , to me, that can only be a good thing for the Pacers.


              Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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              • #22
                Re: Solid win last night vs. the Jazz

                They will adjust but Jermaine will be back in 3 games and we will have an offensive presence.

                I am one of the biggest Jeff Foster fans but I think Dale should be starting over him when Jermaine gets back. Jeff is a great backup center he is a decent starting center when we have Jamaal, Jermaine and Ron. Its just that right now we dont have any of those guys let alone all three.

                Thank God for Stephen Jackson I am so happy he is on this team. He may not be the defender that Ron is but he is a lot better than anyone else we have ever had at the sf other than Ron. (Yes I think he is better than Satan because he makes his man defend him)







                I just had a mental flash of Dale being in the post and Ron on the perimiter

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                • #23
                  Re: Solid win last night vs. the Jazz

                  Originally posted by MagicRat
                  Slick commented during the Denver game that our guys were afraid to guard anybody. They didn't want to get up on anyone for fear that they'd drive around them. I think Dale has helped change that mindset somewhat, both with his help on the guards and his presence in the lane if someone does get beat.
                  No doubt that is true. I believe it was Anthony Johnson who said as much last night on the telecast, talking about what Dale meant to the team. Now the team knows they have someone who will have their back.

                  A trio of Ron Artest, Dale and JO is a dream front line defensively.

                  Regarding Dale's fresh legs, we have to remember he hasn't played much this year. Which is a blessing for us.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Solid win last night vs. the Jazz

                    I get a little surprised at reactions to wins and losses sometimes. I guess I don't understand why so many expect for us to hold onto a 25 point lead. We made our run at the very beginning and the very end. Utah made theirs in the middle. It's the NBA game. Seems like if we make a run it's what we should be doing but when the other team does we suck.

                    The win was solid last night - on the road, stayed together and evened our record. Solid.
                    The best exercise of the human heart is reaching down and picking someone else up.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Solid win last night vs. the Jazz

                      That's what I'm getting at.

                      I see teams borrowing from Rick and conceding the OR against us. Let Dale and Jeff clean the glass, but get back, into transition defense, and significantly increase the defensive pressure on the perimeter.

                      Dale's post defense can be counter-attacked with effective ball-rotations. He'll prevent teams running iso's against us, but that's not really been our achilles heel - JO isn't as rugged of a post defender as Dale but he's historically been no slouch. Dale improves the ruggedness of the defense, which you and I and UB and others all appreciate, but even with Foster, post defense hasn't really been *the* problem for the Pacers this season.

                      I wonder if teams will try to zone us up a little more - one roaming defender might be able to cover both Jeff and Dale - both are known to have difficulty catching the ball cleanly which allows the defender enough time to recover and still challenge the shot. This would only add defensive pressure to AJ/Fred, Reggie and SJax.

                      Certainly, on the screen-and-roll, teams will trap (a la Dick Harter) our guards, so even though Dale can set some hellacious picks, I don't see the Pacers using that very much until Jamaal can play.

                      I guess that's really my point - until Jamaal is healthy enough to run this team again, Dale changes the dynamics of the offense a little bit but not enough.
                      Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                      Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                      Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                      Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                      And life itself, rushing over me
                      Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                      Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                      • #26
                        Re: Solid win last night vs. the Jazz

                        Good point about Dale having fresh legs and there is no way he could play this many minutes the whole season. But with a healthy J.O, he wn't have to lay but 25-30 minutes.

                        Just for an example if the Pacers use Dale, J.o and jef at the two big positions. There are 96 minutes available. J.O could play 40, Dale 30 and Jeff 26. And all the minutes are used up, but you know other players will get at least a few minutes at those positions.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Solid win last night vs. the Jazz

                          My comments, though not important. I was thinking to myself the whole time in the beginning that Utah was going to catch up. We were making so many three pointers, and I knew it just wasn't going to last. But, what can you do, this is how our team must play. I loved watching Dale and Foster together, it seemed as though they didn't miss a single rebound. I honestly couldn't care which of the two started, they are both fantastic.

                          However Peck, you said the Pacers could pull ahead against Philly the next few weeks, and I just don't think that is going to happen. Have you seen our schedule? It is brutal. Cleveland, Utah, LAL, NJ twice, San Antonio, Detroit, Chicago, Miami, Washington twice, Cleveland again, Philly and then Miami to close out the season. That scares me a LOT.
                          Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Solid win last night vs. the Jazz

                            Originally posted by Unclebuck
                            Good point about Dale having fresh legs and there is no way he could play this many minutes the whole season. But with a healthy J.O, he wn't have to lay but 25-30 minutes.

                            Just for an example if the Pacers use Dale, J.o and jef at the two big positions. There are 96 minutes available. J.O could play 40, Dale 30 and Jeff 26. And all the minutes are used up, but you know other players will get at least a few minutes at those positions.
                            I'd say it will/would be something like JO 35 Dale 25 Jeff 26 Scot or David 10.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Solid win last night vs. the Jazz

                              This was a great game but very suprising in the 4th quater dale davis was on the boards all night he was the reason why we kept our lead and Aj had a great all around game almost had a triple double with 13 points 9 assist and 7 rebounds.Reggie Miller and Stephen Jacskon anchored the points with 24 and 30 on a combined shooting 18-34 from the field and a combined three point shooting of 6-13 they were the reason why we kept this lead especially miller who scored 6 points in the closing seconds.I don't know how we lost the lead in the 4th quater it was very suprising that that happend a very bad way to show you were giving up on the defense the Pacers better not do that again overall we had a great game this would have been a blowout if the big three was there with Freddy,Stephen and Reggie were there together.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Solid win last night vs. the Jazz

                                Any road win against a WC team is a good win, blown lead or not. Too many 3 pointers or not.
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