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Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

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Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.

Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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  • League Update

    Owners, Commish

    Haven't seen any emails for a while, is there a update on the League, off season trading ?, plan if there is a lock out ?

    Just a general hows everyone going...
    Ya Think Ya Used Enough Dynamite there Butch...

  • #2
    Re: League Update

    i think we're waiting for the lockout to end before we do anything..

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    • #3
      Re: League Update

      Yup. I'm waiting to hear when it looks like an agreement is made, then I anticipate immediately opening trading with a quick vote on a draft date.
      Hey! What're you kicking me for? You want me to ask? All right, I'll ask! Ma'am, where do the high school girls hang out in this town?

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      • #4
        Re: League Update

        yeah Nice, makes sense... at this stage are the majority of the teams returning ? and business should be back to normal when/ if a agreement is made ?
        Ya Think Ya Used Enough Dynamite there Butch...

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        • #5
          Re: League Update

          This is all so depressing...



          I need to look back at some old box scores of my teams crushing Scott's team to cheer me up.

          The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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          • #6
            Re: League Update

            Do we have any updates on the Keeper League. I have not heard anything?
            PACER FAN ON STRIKE!!!-The moment the Pacers fire Larry Bird I will cheer for them again.

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            • #7
              Re: League Update

              scott is on holiday, he said he'd update us when he gets back.

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              • #8
                Re: League Update

                Ok. I'll just go ahead and place my 9 man roster:

                Amsterdam Pigeons:
                G - Derrick Rose (CHI)
                G - D.J. Augustin (CHA)
                G - Ramon Sessions (CLE)
                GF - DeMarr Derozan (TOR)
                F - Blake Griffin (LAC)
                F - Michael Beasley (MIN)
                F - Ed Davis (TOR)
                CF - David Lee (GSW)
                CF - Demarcus Cousins (SAC)

                This means I'm dropping:
                G - Johnny Flynn (MIN)
                G - Leandro Barbosa (TOR)
                FC - Anthony Tolliver (MIN)

                I own the following picks:
                #5, #18 and #25

                I'm looking for a trade that brings in either a CF or a G/GF and as of now Beasley, D.J. Augustin, Sessions, DeRozan, and all my picks are made available.

                IF you are lacking depth or want to start rebuilding your team now and you have a player available at one of the above positions who isn't 30 years or older yet or IF you see anything elser that you think might interest yourself aswell as me then don't hesitate to contact me here via PM or at: ejnieuwenhuijs@yahoo.co.uk.

                Let's get ourselves prepared and do what we can do.

                Last edited by Mourning; 12-05-2011, 08:19 AM.
                2012 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

                2011 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

                2006 PD ABA Fantasy League runner up, sports.ws

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                • #9
                  Re: League Update

                  Here's a list of everyone's rosters. Some of our owners are not from PD, so I'll get out a letter with more info later on today/tonite. Go ahead and list your 9 man protected rosters here, if you'd like, or you can respond to my email later on today.

                  My hope is to have our draft 12/17. That should give a week for settling in of rosters and last minute trades. I'm thinking we'd start our trading season on Tuesday, 8:00 a.m., Indy time. I don't want to start trading today because I need to contact everyone and let them know so no one gets an unfair advantage. You'll hear from me later on today by mail. (And if your email has changed, let me know.

                  (I think we need to replace one owner and I believe Speed expressed interest.) Thanks.

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                  Andrew Bogut
                  Dwight Howard
                  Kris Humphries
                  Terrence Williams
                  Russell Westbrook
                  Kobe Bryant
                  Wilson Chandler
                  Andrei Kirilenko
                  Wes Matthews
                  Al Harrington
                  Wesley Johnson
                  Zydrunas Ilgauskas

                  Dashboard Hula Girls

                  Jeff Foster
                  Tim Duncan
                  Kwame Brown
                  Anderson Varejao
                  Josh McRoberts
                  Matt Barnes
                  Tony Parker
                  Steve Nash
                  Ben Uzoh
                  Tracey McGrady
                  Tony Allen
                  Dorrell Wright

                  Gnawbone Hounds

                  Deandre Jordan
                  Amare Stoudamire
                  Joakim Noah
                  Paul Milsap
                  Shawn Marion
                  Glen Davis
                  Ekpe Udoh
                  John Wall
                  Kyle Lowry
                  Luke Ridnour
                  Jameer Nelson
                  Jerryd Bayless

                  Indiana Firetorm

                  Roy Hibbert
                  Aaron Gray
                  David West
                  Corey Maguette
                  Paul George
                  Christian Eyenga
                  Monta Ellis
                  Kevin Martin
                  Mike Conley
                  A.J. Price
                  Emeka Okafor
                  Brandon Roy

                  Harlem Funkadelic

                  Manu Ginobili
                  Brandon Jennings
                  Jose Calderon
                  Andrew Bynum
                  Al Horford
                  Anthony Randolph
                  Larry Sanders
                  Andray Blatche
                  Austin Daye
                  Shannon Brown
                  Eric Maynor
                  Trevor Ariza

                  Shakuras Voidwalkers

                  Tyreke Evans
                  Louis Williams
                  Josh Smith
                  Tyrus Thomas
                  Javale McGee
                  Greg Monroe
                  Drew Gooden
                  Reggie Evans
                  Darrell Arthur
                  Gilbert Arenas
                  Daniel Gibson
                  Nicolas Batum

                  Young Turks

                  Samuel Dalembert
                  Carlos Boozer
                  Antwan Jamison
                  Joe Johnson
                  Paul Pierce
                  Devin Harris
                  Keyon Dooling
                  Earl Boykins
                  Sasha Vujacic
                  Hedo Turkoglu
                  Brad Miller
                  Nazr Mohammed

                  Roaming Gnome’s Fury

                  Dwayne Wade
                  Jason Kidd
                  C.J. Miles
                  Jarrett Jack
                  Marcus Camby
                  Zach Randolph
                  Kurt Thomas
                  Tyler Hnasbrough
                  Vince Carter
                  Tayshaun Prince
                  Al-Farouq Aminu
                  Carl Landry

                  Concord Hobgoblins

                  Lebron James
                  Lamar Odom
                  Patrick Patterson
                  Stephen Jackson
                  Jeff Teague
                  George Hill
                  Eric Bledsoe
                  Rudy Fernandez
                  Kendrick Perkins
                  Shelden Williams
                  Ronny Turiaf
                  Antonio McDyess

                  Just Dynamite

                  Dirk Nowitski
                  Kevin Love
                  Nene Hilario
                  Ben Wallace
                  Andre Iguodala
                  Chauncey Billups
                  Jason Terry
                  Kirk Hinrich
                  Omri Casspi
                  Caron Butler
                  Ben Gordon
                  Richard Jefferson

                  Bangkok Banshee

                  Chris Kaman
                  Pau Gasol
                  Ryan Anderson
                  Chuck Hayes
                  Marvin Williams
                  Louis Amunson
                  Robin Lopez
                  Craig Brackins
                  Deron Williams
                  Andre Miller
                  Rodney Stuckey
                  James Harden

                  Venice Vagabonds

                  Spencer Hawes
                  Omer Asik
                  Hasheem Thabeet
                  Cole Aldrich
                  Amir Johnson
                  Derrick Favors
                  Landry Fields
                  Chase Budinger
                  Jordan Farmar
                  Evan Turner
                  Xavier Henry
                  Manny Harris

                  Amsterdam Pigeons

                  DeMarcus Cousins
                  David Lee
                  Blake Griffin
                  Ed Davis
                  Michael Beasley
                  Derrick Rose
                  Ramon Sessions
                  D.J. Augustin
                  Jonny Flynn
                  Demar Derozan
                  Leandro Barbosa
                  Anthony Tolliver

                  Las Vegas Vengence

                  Brook Lopez
                  Serge Ibaka
                  Dejuan Blair
                  Andris Biedrins
                  Brandon Bass
                  Thaddeus Young
                  Earl Clark
                  Chris Paul
                  Raymond Felton
                  Darren Collison
                  J.R. Smith
                  Jason Richardson

                  Cedar City

                  Andrea Bargnani
                  Mareese Speights
                  Jordan Hill
                  Ricky Rubio
                  Stephen Curry
                  Brandon Rush
                  Gordon Hayward
                  Donte Greene
                  Reggie Williams
                  James Anderson
                  Gary Neal

                  South Beach Talents

                  Yao Ming
                  Darko Milicic
                  Rajon Rondo
                  Rodrique Beaubois
                  Kelenna Azubuike
                  Anthony Morrow
                  J.J. Hickson
                  Taj Gibson
                  Danilo Gallinari
                  Brandan Wright
                  Jonas Jerebko
                  Semih Erden

                  Crazy Canucks

                  Luis Scola
                  LeMarcus Aldridge
                  Rudy Gay
                  Kenyon Martin
                  Jason Thompson
                  Timofey Mozgov
                  Kevin Seraphin
                  Eric Gordon
                  Jrue Holiday
                  Gerald Wallace
                  Shane Battier
                  Josh Howard

                  Castle de Verde Hoopsters

                  O.J. Mayo
                  Aaron Brooks
                  Ray Allen
                  Kevin Durant
                  Elton Brand
                  Tyson Chandler
                  Mehmet Okur
                  Jeff Green
                  Mike Dunleavy
                  Mike Miller
                  Boris Diaw
                  Aaron Afflalo

                  Little Fort Bottom Feeders

                  Greg Oden
                  Chris Bosh
                  Carmelo Anthony
                  Chris Anderson
                  Tiago Splitter
                  Ersan Ilyasova
                  Charlie Villanueva
                  Mo Williams
                  Ty Lawson
                  Marcus Thornton
                  Goran Dragic
                  Nick Young

                  Nash City Razorback

                  Marc Gasol
                  Shaquille ONeal
                  Al Jefferson
                  Kevin Garnett
                  Marcin Gortat
                  Baron Davis
                  Danny Granger
                  Luol Deng
                  Grant Hill
                  Jose Barea
                  Shaun Livingston
                  Troy Murphy
                  Hey! What're you kicking me for? You want me to ask? All right, I'll ask! Ma'am, where do the high school girls hang out in this town?

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                  • #10
                    Re: League Update

                    Young Turks

                    Keeping:
                    Samuel Dalembert
                    Carlos Boozer
                    Antwan Jamison
                    Joe Johnson
                    Paul Pierce
                    Devin Harris
                    Hedo Turkoglu
                    Brad Miller
                    Nazr Mohammed

                    Dropping:

                    Earl Boykins
                    Keyon Dooling
                    Sasha Vujacic

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                    • #11
                      Re: League Update

                      thank you scott!

                      Keeping:
                      Tyreke Evans
                      Louis Williams
                      Josh Smith
                      Tyrus Thomas
                      Javale McGee
                      Greg Monroe
                      Drew Gooden
                      Reggie Evans
                      Nicolas Batum

                      ]Dropping:
                      Gilbert Arenas
                      Daniel Gibson
                      Darrell Arthur

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                      • #12
                        Re: League Update

                        Nash City Razorback

                        Keeping:
                        Marc Gasol
                        Al Jefferson
                        Kevin Garnett
                        Marcin Gortat
                        Baron Davis
                        Danny Granger
                        Luol Deng
                        Jose Barea
                        Troy Murphy

                        Dropping:
                        Shaquille O'Neal
                        Shaun Livingston
                        Grant Hill
                        Play Mafia!
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                        • #13
                          Re: League Update

                          Cedar City Raven Redux

                          Keeping:
                          Andrea Bargnani
                          Ricky Rubio
                          Stephen Curry
                          Brandon Rush
                          Gordon Hayward
                          Jordan Hill
                          Gary Neal
                          Reggie Williams
                          Marresse Speights

                          Dropping:
                          James Anderson
                          Donte Greene
                          PACER FAN ON STRIKE!!!-The moment the Pacers fire Larry Bird I will cheer for them again.

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                          • #14
                            Re: League Update

                            Wow my team is awful...

                            South Beach Talents
                            Keeping:
                            Darko Milicic
                            Rajon Rondo
                            Rodrique Beaubois
                            Kelenna Azubuike
                            Anthony Morrow
                            J.J. Hickson
                            Taj Gibson
                            Danilo Gallinari
                            Jonas Jerebko

                            Dropping:
                            Yao Ming
                            Semih Erden
                            Brandan Wright
                            2010 IKL Fantasy Basketball Champion Baltimore Bulldogs

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                            • #15
                              Re: League Update

                              Bangkok Banshee

                              Keeping

                              Chris Kaman
                              Pau Gasol
                              Ryan Anderson
                              Chuck Hayes
                              Robin Lopez
                              Deron Williams
                              Andre Miller
                              Rodney Stuckey
                              James Harden

                              Dropping

                              Marvin Williams
                              Louis Amunson
                              Craig Brackins

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