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[IKL 13-14] Summer Rosters and Draft Order

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  • [IKL 13-14] Summer Rosters and Draft Order

    Thank you everyone for another great season in the IKL. Huge congratulations to randywrinkles, who took iceman's team and made it even better to take home their first championship. Also congratulations to zallen, who nearly pulled off a cinderella run only to fall in the finals. I look forward to another great season after this summer!

    Trading is open.

    8-man protected lists are not due yet, please keep an eye out for a future announcement.


    Also, if anybody has a friend/PDer who is interested in joining our league, I would love to reexpand the league to 20 teams. PM me if you have a lead!

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    DRAFT ORDER (we've moved to the NBA format, where non-playoff teams are first ranked, then the playoff teams)

    First Round
    1. Hoopston
    2. Funk Seoul
    3. Nacogdoches
    4. Young
    5. Philadelphia
    6. Bombay
    7. Indy
    8. DC
    9. Asheville
    10. China Grove
    11. Redbull_yamaha
    12. Canyonville
    13. Baltimore
    14. Gobias
    15. Vancouver
    16. Indianapolis
    17. Groningen
    18. Fishers

    Second Round
    1. Hoopston
    2. Funk Seoul
    3. Nacogdoches
    4. Young
    5. Philadelphia
    6. Bombay
    7. Redbull_yamaha (from Indy)
    8. DC
    9. Redbull_yamaha (from Asheville)
    10. China Grove
    11. Redbull_yamaha
    12. Canyonville
    13. Baltimore
    14. Gobias
    15. Vancouver
    16. Indianapolis
    17. Groningen
    18. Fishers

    Third Round
    1. Hoopston
    2. Indy (from Funk Seoul)
    3. Nacogdoches
    4. Young
    5. Philadelphia
    6. Bombay
    7. Asheville (from Redbull_yamaha, after swap with Indy's 3rd round pick)
    8. DC
    9. Asheville
    10. China Grove
    11. Indy
    12. Canyonville
    13. Baltimore
    14. Gobias
    15. Vancouver
    16. Indianapolis
    17. Groningen
    18. Fishers

    Fourth Round
    1. Hoopston
    2. Funk Seoul
    3. Nacogdoches
    4. Young
    5. Philadelphia
    6. Bombay
    7. Indy
    8. DC
    9. Asheville
    10. China Grove
    11. Redbull_yamaha
    12. Canyonville
    13. Baltimore
    14. Gobias
    15. Vancouver
    16. Indianapolis
    17. Groningen
    18. Fishers

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    SUMMER ROSTERS

    GOBIAS

    chris paul
    jarrett jack
    jeremy lin
    damian lillard
    alexey shved
    kenneth faried
    j.j. hickson
    tiago splitter
    kosta koufos
    lavoy allen
    bismack biyombo
    kevin seraphin

    REDBULL

    monta ellis
    dion waiters
    roy hibbert
    dwight howard
    nikola vucevic
    amare stoudemire
    paul pierce
    corey brewer
    tony wroten
    iman sumpert
    terrence ross
    festus ezeli

    CHINA GROVE

    brook lopez
    jonas valanciunas
    byron mullens
    carl landry
    patrick patterson
    jason maxiell
    kevin durant
    greivis vasquez
    darren collison
    jason kidd
    wes matthews
    harrison barnes

    CANYONVILLE

    kevin love
    serge ibaka
    dirk nowitzki
    j.r. smith
    deron williams
    jameer nelson
    andre miller
    emeka okafor
    jamal crawford
    trevor ariza
    joe johnson
    antawn jamison

    FISHERS

    lebron james
    joakim noah
    russell westbrook
    al horford
    shawn marion
    rudy gay
    evan turner
    gerald henderson
    chandler parsons
    demar derozan
    marcus morris
    ian mahinmi

    PHILADELPHIA

    greg monroe
    anderson varejao
    david west
    michael kidd-gilchrist
    danny granger
    eric bledsoe
    raymond felton
    mo williams
    brandon knight
    andrea bargnani
    zaza pachulia
    carlos delfino

    YOUNG

    spencer hawes
    carlos boozer
    rasheed wallace
    jermaine oneal
    jason smith
    kris humphries
    kyrie irving
    jason richardson
    courtney lee
    andre iguodala
    jose barea
    beno udrih

    VANCOUVER

    luis scola
    nene hilario
    andrew bogut
    kendrick perkins
    ryan anderson
    andrei kirilenko
    metta world peace
    glen davis
    kobe bryant
    tony parker
    j.j. redick
    luke ridnour

    HOOPSTON

    zach randolph
    michael beasley
    gerald wallace
    chris bosh
    jimmy butler
    gerald green
    andrew bynum
    tyson chandler
    tyreke evans
    arron afflalo
    mike dunleavy
    marcus thornton

    BOMBAY

    nikola pekovic
    blake griffin
    robin lopez
    andrew nicholson
    draymond green
    arnett moultrie
    earl clark
    ricky rubio
    jeff teague
    o.j. mayo
    will bynum
    austin rivers

    FUNK SEOUL

    derrick rose
    manu ginobili
    ty lawson
    jerryd bayless
    chris kaman
    david lee
    larry sanders
    dejuan blair
    tyler zeller
    jared sullinger
    thomas robinson
    reggie evans

    INDIANAPOLIS

    lamarcus aldridge
    chris andersen
    kyle lowry
    brandon jennings
    mike conley
    josh smith
    paul george
    amir johnson
    gordon hayward
    gustavo ayon
    meyers leonard
    marshon brooks

    INDY

    enes kanter
    anthony davis
    marreese speights
    john henson
    tristan thompson
    jason thompson
    moe harkless
    stephen curry
    patrick beverley
    jordan crawford
    isaiah thomas
    lance stephenson

    NACOGDOCHES

    marc gasol
    omer asik
    elton brand
    kevin garnett
    derrick williams
    markieff morris
    trevor booker
    john wall
    klay thompson
    kevin martin
    ray allen
    evan fournier

    BALTIMORE

    tim duncan
    pau gasol
    paul millsap
    marcin gortat
    danilo gallinari
    marvin williams
    dwyane wade
    steve nash
    jose calderon
    avery bradley
    jan vesely
    earl watson

    GRONINGEN

    al jefferson
    carmelo anthony
    rajon rondo
    ramon sessions
    al harrington
    thaddeus young
    goran dragic
    alec burks
    al-farouq aminu
    andray blatche
    vince carter
    andris biedrins

    ASHEVILLE

    samuel dalembert
    demarcus cousins
    javale mcgee
    ersan ilyasova
    taj gibson
    kemba walker
    nate robinson
    nicolas batum
    eric gordon
    charlie villanueva
    brandan wright
    nick young

    DC

    james harden
    jrue holiday
    andre drummond
    deandre jordan
    derrick favors
    ed davis
    tyler hansbrough
    kawhi leonard
    george hill
    wilson chandler
    luol deng
    bradley beal

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    Re: [IKL 13-14] Summer Rosters and Draft Order

    HOOPSTON
    protect
    zach randolph

    gerald wallace
    chris bosh
    jimmy butler
    andrew bynum
    tyson chandler
    tyreke evans
    arron afflalo


    drop
    mike dunleavy
    michael beasley
    gerald green
    marcus thornton

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    • #3
      Re: [IKL 13-14] Summer Rosters and Draft Order

      Protected:

      al jefferson
      carmelo anthony
      rajon rondo
      vince carter
      andray blatche
      thaddeus young
      goran dragic
      alec burks

      dropped:

      al-farouq aminu
      al harrington
      ramon sessions
      andris biedrins
      Yay, we don't know what we're doing as a franchise! thanks PG!

      Comment


      • #4
        Re: [IKL 13-14] Summer Rosters and Draft Order

        I believe I have Canyonville's 3rd round pick this year. I traded him my 61st pick during last season's draft for his 3rd round pick this year.
        2015 and 2016 IKL Fantasy Basketball Champions - DC Dreamers

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        • #5
          Re: [IKL 13-14] Summer Rosters and Draft Order

          If someone needs a coach, Kidd is available for trade.

          Comment


          • #6
            Re: [IKL 13-14] Summer Rosters and Draft Order

            I can protect my whole team and just not get draft picks right? If so, I'll do that.

            Comment


            • #7
              Re: [IKL 13-14] Summer Rosters and Draft Order

              Protected
              kevin love
              serge ibaka
              dirk nowitzki
              j.r. smith
              deron williams
              jameer nelson
              andre miller
              emeka okafor


              dropped
              Crawford, Ariza, Jamison, Johnson
              PACER FAN ON STRIKE!!!-The moment the Pacers fire Larry Bird I will cheer for them again.

              Comment


              • #8
                Re: [IKL 13-14] Summer Rosters and Draft Order

                brook lopez
                jonas valanciunas
                carl landry
                patrick patterson
                kevin durant
                greivis vasquez
                wes matthews
                harrison barnes

                jason kidd
                jason maxiell
                byron mullens
                darren collison

                Comment


                • #9
                  Re: [IKL 13-14] Summer Rosters and Draft Order

                  BOMBAY

                  Protected
                  nikola pekovic
                  blake griffin
                  robin lopez
                  andrew nicholson
                  arnett moultrie
                  ricky rubio
                  jeff teague
                  o.j. mayo

                  Dropped
                  draymond green
                  earl clark
                  will bynum
                  austin rivers

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Re: [IKL 13-14] Summer Rosters and Draft Order

                    Protect
                    enes kanter
                    anthony davis
                    marreese speights
                    john henson
                    tristan thompson
                    jason thompson
                    lance stephenson
                    stephen curry
                    Droppatrick beverley
                    jordan crawford
                    isaiah thomas
                    moe harkless

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Re: [IKL 13-14] Summer Rosters and Draft Order

                      Asheville Villains protect:
                      DeMarcus Cousins
                      JaVale McGee
                      Ersan Illyasova
                      Kemba Walker
                      Nicolas Batum
                      Nate Robinson
                      Eric Gordon
                      Brandan Wright

                      Thanks but no thanks:
                      Samuel Dalembert
                      Charlie Villanueva
                      Taj Gibson
                      Nick Young

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                      • #12
                        Re: [IKL 13-14] Summer Rosters and Draft Order

                        Originally posted by Speed View Post
                        Protect
                        enes kanter
                        anthony davis
                        marreese speights
                        john henson
                        tristan thompson
                        jason thompson
                        lance stephenson
                        stephen curry

                        Drop
                        patrick beverley
                        jordan crawford
                        isaiah thomas
                        moe harkless
                        Fixed

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Re: [IKL 13-14] Summer Rosters and Draft Order

                          YOUNG

                          PROTECT

                          spencer hawes
                          carlos boozer
                          jermaine oneal
                          jason smith
                          kris humphries
                          kyrie irving
                          andre iguodala
                          jose barea


                          DROP
                          jason richardson
                          courtney lee
                          beno udrih
                          rasheed wallace

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Re: [IKL 13-14] Summer Rosters and Draft Order

                            DC

                            Keep:
                            james harden
                            jrue holiday
                            bradley beal
                            andre drummond
                            deandre jordan
                            derrick favors
                            kawhi leonard
                            ed davis

                            Drop:
                            wilson chandler
                            luol deng
                            george hill
                            tyler hansbrough
                            2015 and 2016 IKL Fantasy Basketball Champions - DC Dreamers

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                            • #15
                              Re: [IKL 13-14] Summer Rosters and Draft Order

                              Philadelphia Clown Babies

                              Keep:

                              Greg Monroe
                              Anderson Varejao
                              David West
                              Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
                              Danny Granger
                              Eric Bledsoe
                              Raymond Felton
                              Brandon Knight

                              Drop:

                              Mo Williams
                              Andrea Bargnani
                              Zaza Pachulia
                              Carlos Delfino

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