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    DWade reveals shock treatment to deal with knee issues

    Wade's knees are still giving him trouble. I have no idea what OssaTron shockwave treatment is but if he can't get closer to 100% next season, they're won't be a 3-peat.

    By Ira Winderman

    South Florida Sun Sentinel

    8:50 PM EDT, August 15, 2013


    Dwyane Wade offered a revelation Thursday about the knee issues that limited him during last season's run to the NBA championship . . . and it was shocking.

    That actually could turn out to be a good thing for the Miami Heat guard.

    Speaking before the start of his adult fantasy camp, Wade revealed that he underwent OssaTron shockwave treatment a month ago to deal with tendinitis.

    Wade said the results have largely been favorable, hopeful for similar relief to what he experienced after a similar round of treatment in 2007.

    "I had to take a month off after I did my treatment and this weekend will be a month to the day," he said during an event at the Seminole Hard Rock Hotel and Casino. "It's the kind of treatment for tendinitis, certain areas in your knee."

    While Wade cited bone bruises for his limitations late in the season and during the playoffs, tendinitis behind his knee cap eventually became a prime concern.

    The Heat open training camp Oct. 1, with their regular season to open Oct. 29 at AmericanAirlines Arena against the Chicago Bulls.

    "Feeling a lot better," Wade said at Thursday's event, which included appearances by Heat coach Erik Spoelstra, Hall of Fame forward Rick Barry, comedian Kevin Hart and Indiana coach Tom Crean, who coached Wade at Marquette. "I'm not at 'great' yet. I'm feeling a lot, lot better.

    "Right now I have to work on the strengthening part of it. So, I still have time before the season. By the time the season [starts], I think I'll be as good as I've been."

    The Heat have had successful results with OssaTron treatments over the years, with power forward Udonis Haslem also benefiting from the approach.

    "Time off is obviously key," Wade said. "Right now, I get started back working out."

    To a degree, Wade's knee issues have been overshadowed this offseason by the clock starting on the potential opt-out of teammate LeBron James, who can become a free agent next season.

    While James has shied from the subject, Wade made it clear that his own potential opt out next summer won't be an issue when it comes to his preference.

    "I'm not going to deal with it," he said of the speculation that will envelop James. "I'm going to address it on media day and that'll be the last time I address it. But obviously it's a part of it."

    He paused and smiled.

    "Everyone knows where I want to be," he said, having spent all 10 of his NBA seasons in South Florida. "That's what it's all about to me, is making sure we focus on this season, winning this championship.

    "I want to be in Miami and I have nothing else to talk about. So there won't be no exciting news over here."

    To Wade, the most exciting Heat news this offseason has involved another player rehabilitating from knee issues, recently signed center Greg Oden, who has been out of the game for more than three years.

    "I think it's great," Wade said of the Heat beating out several other suitors for the 7-foot, 275-pound center. "Greg has actually done a good job of trying to get his body back. He's 25 years old. He wants to play the game of basketball at a high level, like he knows he's capable of. And he's been snake-bitten a little bit, and I think he's done a good job of taking time off and trying to get healthy."

    Just as Wade is pleased with his Heat-orchestrated treatment, he believes Oden will benefit from the team's medical staff, as well.

    "He's come to the right place," he said. "They will do everything in their power to make sure that he's able to be on the court and be effective. They're doing a good job. Hopefully he doesn't rush it. We take him step by step."

    While the Heat have downplayed the Oden signing, yet to have a formal media session with the former Portland Trail Blazers No. 1 overall pick in the 2007 NBA Draft, Wade sees it as the latest of Pat Riley's subtle additions.

    "He can be one of those Shane Battier-Ray Allen summers, when we sign a guy, or Birdman, as well," he said, referring to last season's signing of Chris Andersen. "We sign a guy that a lot of people weren't really looking at to be a big part of something and he can become a big of what we're trying to do."
    iwinderman@tribune.com. Follow him at twitter.com/iraheatbeat
    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/m...34,print.story
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    Re: DWade reveals shock treatment to deal with knee issues

    Translation: "There is no way his knee gets better but we are trying pretty much anything"
    @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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      Re: DWade reveals shock treatment to deal with knee issues

      Wade's knee was even worse than I thought during the Finals. They had to drain his left knee and put him through eight hours of game-day therapy just so he could play in Game 7 of the NBA Finals. I didn't know that he had a PRP treatment during the regular season as well.

      He felt so limited that he told Spoelstra before Game 7 of the ECF to limit his minutes because he felt like he was hurting the team when he was out there. I wish Spo' had listened to him.

      MIAMI (AP)—Dwyane Wade’s knee problems were more troublesome during the playoffs than he ever acknowledged.

      In an interview with The Associated Press, Wade revealed Saturday that his right knee pained him so much that he contemplated asking to play limited minutes in Game 7 of the Eastern Conference finals, and that his left knee was drained and required about eight hours of game-day therapy just so he could play in Game 7 of the NBA Finals.

      “I went through a lot,” said Wade, who’s now a three-time NBA champion. “But I’m at peace now.”

      Wade also received platelet-rich plasma therapy late in the regular season to combat three bone bruises around his right knee, which was his biggest source of frustration and pain during the playoffs. Wade said two of the bruises healed, but a third—directly under the kneecap—remained a big problem, especially since that area was also affected by tendinitis.

      Wade underwent an MRI to rule out additional problems during the East finals against Indiana, and said he was driving into a meeting with Heat coach Erik Spoelstra before Game 7 of that series—not long after saying in the immediate aftermath of the Game 6 loss to the Pacers that he needed the ball more—to tell him that he felt he should only play short minutes because his ineffectiveness was hurting the team.

      Spoelstra had other ideas, and Wade decided to scrap his plan.

      “I felt like if I was going to be playing the way I was playing, and hurting the way I was hurting, I wasn’t going to be able to help us move on to the next round,” Wade said. “I was going to say play me short minutes only, and give Mike Miller and guys other opportunities. But I came into the meeting, and all Spo was about was giving me more opportunities and getting me ways to be more successful. So I was like, `Well, changed my mind.”’

      Following the MRI that was done late in the Indiana series, Wade said the team’s athletic trainers amended his treatment plan slightly, and he started seeing immediate improvement. He scored 21 points in the East-clincher against the Pacers, then scored a total of 57 points—by far his best two-game stretch of the playoffs—in Games 4 and 5 of the NBA Finals against the San Antonio Spurs.

      But early in Game 6 of the title series, Wade’s collided with the Spurs’ Manu Ginobili Before long, Wade’s surgically repaired left knee, which kept him out of last summer’s London Olympics, had swollen up “like a coconut.”

      He needed treatment during the game, even missing the start of the second half. Wade got a large amount of fluid drained from the knee on Wednesday, then got more than three hours of treatment at the arena Thursday morning and about 4 1/2 more hours of work done in the afternoon, going almost all the way up to the moment the Heat took the floor to warm up for Game 7.

      Wade played 39 minutes in the finale, scoring 23 points on 11 for 21 shooting.

      “We know what he was dealing with,” Spoelstra said after Game 7. “Really, he should be commended for being out there and doing whatever it takes, putting himself out there for criticism, possible criticism, because he wasn’t 100 percent. And he just helped us win. That was the bottom line. It was a selfless effort for two months. And some players probably wouldn’t have played.”

      Wade said the right knee pain was at times the second-worst thing he’s dealt with, injury-wise, in his 10-year career, behind only the shoulder he dislocated in 2007 in an awkward collision with then-Houston forward and current Heat teammate Shane Battier

      The late-season knee problems took some shine off a year where Wade averaged 21.2 points, 5.0 rebounds and 5.1 assists on a career-best 52 percent shooting, yet still had his skills often questioned. Only Heat teammate LeBron James Oklahoma City’s Russell Westbrook and the Los Angeles Lakers’ Kobe Bryant averaged as much in all three of those categories this season as Wade did.

      “The toughest part of it is, you work all season to get healthy coming off of knee surgery,” Wade said. “And when I finally got the way, everybody saw in my play that I was playing great, some of the best basketball in the role I have on this team. Then I get the bone bruises, and something I worked hard for was getting taken away, and I dealt with it for three months. It was disappointing, frustrating. It hurt. I was able to mask it some nights. Some nights, not.”

      In the end, it was all worthwhile. Wade will soon be getting his third ring — “3 for No. 3,” as the shirts many of his friends wore amid the Heat celebration pointed out.

      “Selfishly, I’m going to say we won this one for me,” Wade said. “Because of the way my career has gone and the things I’ve dealt with personally, I wanted this third one. In my mind, it validates the player I’ve become in this league. When you change your position, going from being talked about as one of the three best players in this game to people questioning your ability, I needed this one to validate that what I did was the right thing. I can be at peace with anything going forward.”
      http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-heat-wade
      Last edited by naptownmenace; 08-16-2013, 01:05 PM. Reason: added link

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        Re: DWade reveals shock treatment to deal with knee issues

        I bet the Heat will rest Wade a lot this year

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          Re: DWade reveals shock treatment to deal with knee issues

          I hate the Heat, but Wade's a really great player. Wish him the best. Getting to the Championship is only sweet if you beat the big 3 in Miami.
          First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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            Re: DWade reveals shock treatment to deal with knee issues

            Originally posted by Sparhawk View Post
            I hate the Heat, but Wade's a really great player. Wish him the best. Getting to the Championship is only sweet if you beat the big 3 in Miami.
            I hope he is at least as healthy as he was this year. The last thing I want to hear is excuses when the Pacers or another team eliminates the Heat from the playoffs next spring.

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              Re: DWade reveals shock treatment to deal with knee issues

              With Kidd saying the Nets will rest KG on every back to back and stuff like this with Wade, the Pacers should feel pretty good about their chances of competing for the 1 seed.


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                Re: DWade reveals shock treatment to deal with knee issues

                Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                With Kidd saying the Nets will rest KG on every back to back and stuff like this with Wade, the Pacers should feel pretty good about their chances of competing for the 1 seed.
                Sounds good to me. If we can push Miami to 7 (always a big if) we are much more likely to win at home than on the road. Road game 7's are so tough.

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                  Re: DWade reveals shock treatment to deal with knee issues

                  as others have mentioned similar things, i believe wade's situation is due largely to his mileage and style of play (crashing to the court on nearly every other shot in order to try and milk a call from the refs takes a toll as well). his knees have been an issue for him now for a while and it doesn't look like there is much that can be done. i am a firm believer that he is now past his prime. i think he can still bring it at times but not anywhere like he could before.
                  throw in the fact that he is on the wrong side of 30 and is dependent on his athleticism.
                  i think he will still prove to be a dangerous player who will still put up some 30 point games here and there but we aren't going to be seeing what we saw like 5 years ago. and eventually (not too long from now) he will hit the wall iverson did where he just can't blow by guys anymore and his main weapon will have been neutralized.

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                    Re: DWade reveals shock treatment to deal with knee issues

                    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                    Translation: "There is no way his knee gets better but we are trying pretty much anything"
                    Yeah....the next option after Shock treatment is leaches.
                    Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                    • #11
                      Re: DWade reveals shock treatment to deal with knee issues

                      Wade is going to be 32 and is already in decline. While he could play superman two years ago, he had already dropped last year. I didn't like the fact the Heat won last year, but I did enjoy seeing Wade decline...and I can't wait for the day we overcome him. ...and I really hope he keeps trying to compete so we can see the Pacers shut him down. The last thing I want to see is him win yet another ring and then retire...along with Oden and LeBron extending the Heat's run.

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                        Re: DWade reveals shock treatment to deal with knee issues

                        And despite it all:
                        Wade played 39 minutes in the finale, scoring 23 points on 11 for 21 shooting.

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                          Re: DWade reveals shock treatment to deal with knee issues

                          Originally posted by rexnom View Post
                          And despite it all:
                          Yes, he's still really good. But that would have been an upper 30's game a few years ago for him. He may be as good as any Pacer at the moment, but he used to be significantly better than any Pacer. His time is coming and it's going to be good to see him get his butt kicked off the court and his shot blocked as he begins to lose his hops. It happens to them all. I really cannot wait.

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                            Re: DWade reveals shock treatment to deal with knee issues

                            Pacers title chances may rest on the health of Wade's knees. It'll be interesting to see if they hold up. Once he loses his explosiveness, it's not like he has a great shooting game to rely upon.

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                              Re: DWade reveals shock treatment to deal with knee issues

                              Originally posted by PR07 View Post
                              Pacers title chances may rest on the health of Wade's knees. It'll be interesting to see if they hold up. Once he loses his explosiveness, it's not like he has a great shooting game to rely upon.
                              To be fair, with LeBron being LeBron, doesn't everyone's title chances depend on Wade's knees?

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