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indytoad
02-18-2004, 11:00 PM
Saw this on the same Warriors board, from the same guy that posted the original rumor.

"I have been told by the same source that negotiation on Harrington/Pollard for Damp/Speedy has progressed. Apparently Warriors are reluctant to trade Speedy but really want Al Harrington, and Pacers have offered to replace Pollard with Bender in the deal with Warriors including Dunleavy instead of Speedy. Dunleavy/Damp for Harrington/Bender? We are getting a lot of talent in return, and possibly our next starting SF/PF duo who already have chemistry and unlimited potential."

Link: http://forums.warriorsworld.net/main/msgs/586573.phtml

IndyToad
Think about ya all the time

indygeezer
02-18-2004, 11:05 PM
I'll ask one question for your perusal:


How's Bender's knee?

for that matter...How's Al's knee?

Hicks
02-18-2004, 11:07 PM
I liked the other deal better, but I think I'd still be cool with this one.

indygeezer
02-18-2004, 11:11 PM
I'll ask one question for your perusal:


How's Bender's knee?

for that matter...How's Al's knee?

If you switch 'em, you have one completely healthy player and one completely unable to walk.



:rotflmao: :applaud: :rotflmao:

able
02-18-2004, 11:13 PM
speedy / damp - Al/JB = yes
Dunleavy /damp - Al/Pollie - perhaps
Dunleavy/Damp - Al/JB = perhaps

Where do we see MD play ? with Dampy playing the C JO would become full time PF again, leaving only scrap minutes for which we have Cro
Ron is a lock as SF with quite a few minutes, so would we add a mal-content to the line-up ? let's not forget he started quite a few games for the W's (45/47)

His numbers for a second year are ok and in exchange for JB it would perhaps be a good choice.

It's hard to guess the "truth" value of this, since it is mentioned nowhere else but then again. the silence promises a storm :D

<edit> and I'm not sold on this "rental" idea for Damp, IF we go far in the playoffs he will most likely want to stay, perhaps get an extension for some pay-rise, but why would he go selling himself to a team like Atlanta (who can afford him) if he can play with a legit candidate?</edit>


:stupid:

Hicks
02-18-2004, 11:20 PM
12.1ppg, 6.3rpg, 2.7apg, he's al's height and about 10lbs lighter, with FG% of .448 and 3P% of .390 All in 31 minutes, which I think is about what Al's having. I like the idea of that as our 6th man.

Plus, with Dampier/Foster/Pollard at C, we have plenty of beef to through at the West.

I mean, even if Damp's a rental I like it because I won't let last night stop me from thinking we have as good of a chance as anyone of making the Finals. Having Damp makes it sound more likely. He should help prevent what happened last night from happening much anymore. He grabs 11rbg. Between he and JO we should be in the middle of a game of "keep away" too often.

And I just like Dunleavy. He's putting up about Al's #'s, but shoots better. He'd be a nice weapon off the Bench. JB doesn't play anyway, so I don't cry over him leaving.

And who knows? We do well enough, maybe Damp stays.

I still like this one.

MSA2CF
02-18-2004, 11:26 PM
Damnit, what is everyone's problem with Al Harrington?
I don't see any reason why we should trade him right now.

I'm going to bed and I better not see anymore rumors or talk about trading Al when I get up.

:mad:

Aw Heck
02-18-2004, 11:27 PM
Dampier/Foster/Pollard
O'Neal/Croshere
Artest/Dunleavy
Miller/Jones
Tinsley/Johnson

Not bad. And if Houston bites on the Cro/Taylor, we essentially get a post-up player type like Al off the bench (though he's not quite as effective as Al). Dunleavy could replace Cro's 3pt shooting. Then the P's have...

Damp/Foster/Pollard
O'Neal/Taylor
Artest/Dunleavy
Miller/Jones
Tinsley/Johnson

Even better. I still wish we could get Speedy,though. :(

Cactus Jax
02-18-2004, 11:29 PM
Not as sure with this trade, I'm trying to find a deal that gets the Pacers back Dampier, Dunleavy, and Claxton, with Bender, Harrington and Tinsley + something going back to GS.

zxc
02-18-2004, 11:30 PM
Why is Dampier considered a rental anyway? He opts out, who out there is gonna be giving him big money? Makes like 9 mill a year on his current deal, having a decent year this year but I don't see anyone out there who would give him much more. He is getting up there in age too.

MSA2CF
02-18-2004, 11:30 PM
All this trade talk makes me sick.

The Pacers are 39-15 & leading the Conference, not 15-39 & in last place.

:mad:

MSA2CF
02-18-2004, 11:32 PM
I am going to pray at my bedside tonight that there are no trades by the Pacers this season.

Take that! :P

Hicks
02-18-2004, 11:33 PM
All this trade talk makes me sick.

The Pacers are 39-15 & leading the Conference, not 15-39 & in last place.

:mad:

If there's a trade you think makes you a better team, you do it.

Cactus Jax
02-18-2004, 11:34 PM
Why is Dampier considered a rental anyway? He opts out, who out there is gonna be giving him big money? Makes like 9 mill a year on his current deal, having a decent year this year but I don't see anyone out there who would give him much more. He is getting up there in age too.

Yeah I don't think he's getting too much more than he is right now, and if he plays well the Pacers can re-sign him as a free-agent. Need to get him before GS plays the Pacers twice, he always kills em, but I guess Al would probably do the same. The deal would be pretty good as it is, but if Claxton can get in it, it's all the better.

MSA2CF
02-18-2004, 11:35 PM
All this trade talk makes me sick.

The Pacers are 39-15 & leading the Conference, not 15-39 & in last place.

:mad:

39-15, but with little-to-no chance of winning anything important with the current roster. However, with a couple tweaks, this team has a very good shot at winning something important. I think the only reason there is so much trade talk, even though I don't agree with it, is because most people percieve this team as being on the brink. A center like Damp and a guard like Speedy might get this team further over the edge than Harrington coming off the bench could ever do.

(Insert logic/Hippo quote here)

zxc
02-18-2004, 11:36 PM
Why is Dampier considered a rental anyway? He opts out, who out there is gonna be giving him big money? Makes like 9 mill a year on his current deal, having a decent year this year but I don't see anyone out there who would give him much more. He is getting up there in age too.

Every team in need of a center would give him a pay bump over that. He's going to opt out ifhe's smart.

There aren't gonna be many teams under the cap, and I don't think any of them are gonna be offering 10 mill+ a year on a long term deal for a 30+ guy who is having his first good season in a long time. Has he actually said he is going to be opting out anywhere?

zxc
02-18-2004, 11:37 PM
The Pacers couldn't re-sign him. We're way over the cap, and as far as I know, Bird rights only apply if you've been on a team for 3 years. I could be wrong.

If players get traded their bird rights go with them I think, so we could offer more if his current deal has been longer than 3 years.

Hicks
02-18-2004, 11:38 PM
Has he actually said he is going to be opting out anywhere?

If he doesn't get traded from GS, he definitely will.

If he does, it's up in the air. He's already paid well, and he'd be on a legit contender here.

kerosene
02-18-2004, 11:42 PM
Damp starting, Dunleavy not playing (ankle) tonight.

Aldridge says Knicks have an offer for Damp/Van Exel on the table.

zxc
02-18-2004, 11:45 PM
Aldridge says Knicks have an offer for Damp/Van Exel on the table.

Is there anyone they are not trading for? :unimpressed: Must be nice to have a 90 mill payroll and no problems with going higher.

Unclebuck
02-18-2004, 11:45 PM
Dunleavy and Dampier for Harringtona nd Bender would be the worst trade the Pacers have ever made since DW took over in 1986.

It would be a disaster.

Cannot believe any of you think it might be OK.

Damp is a slow lazy post player with horrible hands and a very questionable work ethic and isn't he a free agent.

The thought of Croshere and Dunleavy being the backup forwards turns my stomach. Has there ever been a worse defensive tandem in the history of the NBA

Horrible trade, horrible

Pig Nash
02-18-2004, 11:45 PM
what kind of value can NY give GS? haven't they basically moved all their tradeable pieces already?

Cactus Jax
02-18-2004, 11:55 PM
Dunleavy and Dampier for Harringtona nd Bender would be the worst trade the Pacers have ever made since DW took over in 1986.

It would be a disaster.

Cannot believe any of you think it might be OK.

Damp is a slow lazy post player with horrible hands and a very questionable work ethic and isn't he a free agent.

The thought of Croshere and Dunleavy being the backup forwards turns my stomach. Has there ever been a worse defensive tandem in the history of the NBA

Horrible trade, horrible

I'm not a huge fan of it unless Claxton comes to Indy as well, and I think if this deal were made, Indiana would do the Croshere for Taylor trade. Kinda makes up for Harrington, and Dunleavy gives the Pacers an outside threat.

indytoad
02-19-2004, 12:03 AM
what kind of value can NY give GS? haven't they basically moved all their tradeable pieces already?

Thomas, Shandon, and Dikembe, apparently.

IndyToad
Into the primordial ooze

Cactus Jax
02-19-2004, 12:12 AM
what kind of value can NY give GS? haven't they basically moved all their tradeable pieces already?

Thomas, Shandon, and Dikembe, apparently.

IndyToad
Into the primordial ooze

The Pacers offer is much better, that's a load of crap, and Thomas isn't going to resign there, and Anderson's contract is horrid.

Hicks
02-19-2004, 12:13 AM
ESPN saying NY/GS is cooking up:

Mutumbo
Thomas
Anderson

for

Dampier
Van Exel

This NY crap is getting ridiculous.

able
02-19-2004, 12:16 AM
Dunleavy and Dampier for Harringtona nd Bender would be the worst trade the Pacers have ever made since DW took over in 1986.

It would be a disaster.

Cannot believe any of you think it might be OK.

Damp is a slow lazy post player with horrible hands and a very questionable work ethic and isn't he a free agent.

The thought of Croshere and Dunleavy being the backup forwards turns my stomach. Has there ever been a worse defensive tandem in the history of the NBA

Horrible trade, horrible

I don't think it's as much that we all want a trade, beit that we DO want a BIG guy, but........

Most of us feel that Al is simply not bringing it, imminent to leave anyway for the simple reason that unless Ron leaves (and NOBODY here wants that) there is no way in hell he will become a starter here. He knows it, we know it and I suspect that his "uninspred" play last night might well find it's origin in the All Star games with JO and Ron there, Fred winning the Dunk and Al at home.

Unless you see us moving Ron in the summer then Al is moving in the summer anyway and if that's the case, we might as well pull the trigger now, there won't be more talent available on the market during the summer and a lot more competition.
Also making such a move now would improve the chances in the play offs me guesses.

Again: its not as much a want as a reality we face.


:stupid:

able
02-19-2004, 12:21 AM
FOSTER would average 11 reb if he played 35 minutes!
Offense, offense, offense.
Compare their NUMBERs and call them "even".
How silly can you be?

Proven problem with that theory is that Jeff can not play that many minutes.

adn I don't want to be the one bringing it to you, but you ever see Jeff make an outside shot that he REALLY attempted to make?

Jeff is a great hustle player, a rebounder "pur sang" but he has some limitations we will have to live with hence he would be more usefull coming of the bench or can you think of a team where he would start and play those kind of minutes at C ?


:stupid:

bulletproof
02-19-2004, 12:26 AM
Most of us feel that Al is simply not bringing it, imminent to leave anyway for the simple reason that unless Ron leaves (and NOBODY here wants that) there is no way in hell he will become a starter here. He knows it, we know it and I suspect that his "uninspred" play last night might well find it's origin in the All Star games with JO and Ron there, Fred winning the Dunk and Al at home.


I thought the exact same thing. If you saw several of your colleagues being awarded for something you thought you were equally deserving of given the right situation, it would sour you.

As for the trade itself, I doubt DW and Bird pull the trigger on this trade unless they get the players they want. And Dunleavy is just too big of a compromise, as far as I'm concerned. Damp and Speedy or bust.

Roaming Gnome
02-19-2004, 12:30 AM
Speedy Claxton has 14 pts in the 2nd qtr. He is looking very sharp!

Hicks
02-19-2004, 12:30 AM
ESPN saying NY/GS is cooking up:

Mutumbo
Thomas
Anderson

for

Dampier
Van Exel

This NY crap is getting ridiculous.

Man, Warriors fans are NOT happy about this idea. They'd rather do ours. Reading the Warriors forum, if the NY one happens GS is losing a lot of fans.

kerosene
02-19-2004, 12:32 AM
It's an awful trade. The worst one rumored.

If that's the best offer, keep Damp, let him opt out, hope Van Exel does, and keep the cap space. Or pay Van Exel. Rather have him than Anderson and Mutumbo cause you know Thomas will opt out and he's the only good player coming from NY.

Horrible

ROCislandWarrior
02-19-2004, 12:35 AM
ESPN saying NY/GS is cooking up:

Mutumbo
Thomas
Anderson

for

Dampier
Van Exel

This NY crap is getting ridiculous.

Less than 24 hours and IT's trigger happy trades will come to an end..THANK GOD

Roaming Gnome
02-19-2004, 12:36 AM
ESPN saying NY/GS is cooking up:

Mutumbo
Thomas
Anderson

for

Dampier
Van Exel

This NY crap is getting ridiculous.

Man, Warriors fans are NOT happy about this idea. They'd rather do ours. Reading the Warriors forum, if the NY one happens GS is losing a lot of fans.

Zeke is just playing virtual G.M. Heck, he may be the Steinbrenner of the NBA. The luxury tax doesn't mean really much when your owners and orginization can basically print their own money.

Aw Heck
02-19-2004, 12:42 AM
Yeah there really is no good reason for GS to take the NY offer and not Indy's.

Damp/NVE for old man 'tumbo, "big contract" anderson and "for sure opt-out" kurt thomas?

When instead they could do Damp/Dunleavy for Harrington/Bender?

Makes no sense. I'm not big on conspiracy theories, but I'd be awfully suspicious if the NY trade went down with the Indy offer still on the table.

Kinda like NY getting Ewing...and if NY makes the playoffs they most certainly will get beneficial treatment from the refs...NY-LAL should be a high-ratings Finals...

:laugh:

Just kidding around. But seriously that NY trade is crap.

Cactus Jax
02-19-2004, 12:43 AM
ESPN saying NY/GS is cooking up:

Mutumbo
Thomas
Anderson

for

Dampier
Van Exel

This NY crap is getting ridiculous.

Man, Warriors fans are NOT happy about this idea. They'd rather do ours. Reading the Warriors forum, if the NY one happens GS is losing a lot of fans.

Zeke is just playing virtual G.M. Heck, he may be the Steinbrenner of the NBA. The luxury tax doesn't mean really much when your owners and orginization can basically print their own money.

The reason the trade proposal is so bad is that NY would actually get more cap relief than GS. Both Exel, and Dampier can opt out. Anderson has a horrid contract, Thomas is much like Dampier except a downgrade, and Mutombo is just stupid in GS. This deal IS NOT going to happen unless St. Jean and Mullin have some serious drugs.

bulletproof
02-19-2004, 12:51 AM
Yeah there really is no good reason for GS to take the NY offer and not Indy's.

Damp/NVE for old man 'tumbo, "big contract" anderson and "for sure opt-out" kurt thomas?

When instead they could do Damp/Dunleavy for Harrington/Bender?


No, no, NO! Harrington/Pollard and/or Bender for Damp/Speedy. That's it. No compromises.

obnoxiousmodesty
02-19-2004, 01:03 AM
I like the trade including Claxton more than this one. This trade still has merit though. Things will become very interesting if it goes down. Heck, if anything goes down.

Roaming Gnome
02-19-2004, 01:04 AM
Claxton just got tossed out for fighting with Gary Payton... Both got tossed, but Payton clearly started the fight!!!

kerosene
02-19-2004, 01:05 AM
&%#$^ grumble Payton grumble

Roaming Gnome
02-19-2004, 01:08 AM
Speedy was giving Payton his lunch all night. Speedy went for and got a steal off of Payton. Payton fouled him immediatly then elbowed him, Speedy took exception and they were rolling around on the Floor. More T's just handed out....this game is getting out of hand tonight!

Hicks
02-19-2004, 01:10 AM
See! Speedy and Damp are bigtime anti-Laker people! We HAVE to get them! :laugh:

kerosene
02-19-2004, 01:20 AM
That "buzz" guy on your Warriors site is a prick.

I've never had a problem with buzz. Knows a lot about the game. Watches the Pacers quite a bit as well. Celtics fan, fine by me.

Arcadian
02-19-2004, 01:51 AM
I am not sure why people look at Speedy as a selling point. We already have 4 point guards and Speedy isn't a lock to start over Tins.

We would be giving up Al and changing the roster with the second best record in the NBA for a center in to his 1st good season (whom I'd say we have about as much chance of signing as Brad) and an average pt guard who has never played a complete season as a starter.

Cactus Jax
02-19-2004, 02:02 AM
I am not sure why people look at Speedy as a selling point. We already have 4 point guards and Speedy isn't a lock to start over Tins.

We would be giving up Al and changing the roster with the second best record in the NBA for a center in to his 1st good season (whom I'd say we have about as much chance of signing as Brad) and an average pt guard who has never played a complete season as a starter.

Speedy can guard point guards better than any guard on the Pacers roster. Dampier has a good chance of staying on the Pacers roster either by not opting out, or the fact that the Pacers can still offer him a good chunk of money, and even at the very worst a sign and trade can occur.

Harrington will NOT realize his potential in Indy unless Artest or JO is traded, and those three on the front-line make me shudder when playing any physical team. Also if this trade is done, a Croshere for Taylor trade can be made as well, to give the Pacers an Al like guy off the bench.

kerosene
02-19-2004, 02:57 AM
http://forums.warriorsworld.net/main/msgs/587178.phtml

Also, sounds like Orlando got into the mix. Guess we'll find out tomorrow eh boys (and girls)?

kerosene
02-19-2004, 03:04 AM
just can't be new york, can't be. words fail me. both the rumored indiana and orlando deals are better than the rumored ny deals. plus the knicks getting a legitimate center (when motivated).

kerosene
02-19-2004, 03:14 AM
Vescey says Damp won't be a Knick:

February 19, 2004 -- With Isiah Thomas expected to strike out with Erick Dampier and Rasheed Wallace at today's 3 p.m. trade deadline, the Knicks still might add a new center - and an old face.

Thomas is bent on bringing back Michael Doleac, who was placed on waivers by the Hawks yesterday. At least it's continuity.

Yesterday, the Knicks offered Dikembe Mutombo, Kurt Thomas and Shandon Anderson for Dampier and Nick Van Exel - both of whom have opt-outs.

The Knicks also made a separate offer of Thomas and Othella Harrington for Dampier. The Warriors aren't expected to accept either.

Doleac has all but agreed to re-sign with the Knicks if he clears waivers tomorrow, but Utah, Denver and the Clippers are considering claiming him and his expiring $1.6 million deal.

As part of the All-Star Sunday trade, Thomas gave the Hawks a second-round pick with the understanding it would waive Doleac.

Doleac wouldn't mind if the Jazz took him, but has already spoken to Thomas about returning.



"I'm from Utah," Doleac said. "[But] it would be good coming back. I'm waiting to see how it all pans out. I loved playing with Steph [Stephon Marbury]. I'm waiting."

Thomas is making a hard charge at a bigger fish at center - Dampier - but Indiana, Memphis and even Detroit, if the Wallace deal falls through, are front-runners.

Thomas believes Mutombo is too old to build a team around, and despite Nazr Mohammed's acquisition, still wants more depth in the pivot.

The chances of Dampier landing in New York are slim, but it's better odds than Thomas' chances of getting Wallace today. The Knicks have been extreme longshots for Wallace for weeks.

But the Knicks' ability to sign him as a free agent for the projected $5.1 million mid-level exception could be damaged if Detroit acquires him today from Atlanta. As one GM said, "I think when it's all over, Detroit will get him."

Multiple league executives said Detroit is the front-runner with their package of expiring contracts - Darvin Ham, Zeljko Rebraca, Bobby Sura, Lindsay Hunter and Tremaine Fowlkes and a first-rounder.

The Hawks want expiring contracts and it must total close to $16 million to make it work salary-cap wise. The Knicks have only one - Kurt Thomas' $5.5M. Isiah Thomas' only hope is to get three, four, five teams involved in what would be Isiah's greatest coup.

If Wallace stays put in Atlanta, he won't re-sign. If Wallace becomes a Piston, all bets are off. Detroit could sway him with a close-to-maximum contract.

Marbury enjoyed working the pick-and-roll with Doleac. Utah can use help up front, and GM Kevin O'Connor likes Doleac's local angle.

As the Knicks practiced, Isiah Thomas was holed up in his office. Through the blinds, you could make out a phone glued to Isiah's ear.

"I can't control my future," Mutombo said. "I know it's a tough situation. You want to be relaxed and make sure you don't go crazy."

http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/15825.htm

Cactus Jax
02-19-2004, 03:17 AM
Well time for me to listen to some Marvin Gaye tonight, so hopefully Indiana and Golden State will get it on and make a trade (the 1st one to be specific).

Also Eric Snow could be a good option that the Pacers might be able to get for pretty cheap.

kerosene
02-19-2004, 03:43 AM
IS says no Damp/Claxton deal:

http://www.indystar.com/articles/9/122035-9189-039.html

Of course Donnie told Al he's "off the market" so what does that mean?

Cactus Jax
02-19-2004, 03:53 AM
IS says no Damp/Claxton deal:

http://www.indystar.com/articles/9/122035-9189-039.html

Of course Donnie told Al he's "off the market" so what does that mean?

That doesn't seem too much of a "No, we aren't making a deal" rather than it being that they aren't interested in it right now. As the guy on the GS board says, if Detroit gets Sheed then I think it changes the Pacers mindset.

kerosene
02-19-2004, 04:00 AM
That doesn't seem too much of a "No, we aren't making a deal" rather than it being that they aren't interested in it right now. As the guy on the GS board says, if Detroit gets Sheed then I think it changes the Pacers mindset.

I think so too. Think NJ is sitting still?

Cactus Jax
02-19-2004, 04:03 AM
That doesn't seem too much of a "No, we aren't making a deal" rather than it being that they aren't interested in it right now. As the guy on the GS board says, if Detroit gets Sheed then I think it changes the Pacers mindset.

I think so too. Think NJ is sitting still?

Yeah NJ is going to stay where they are. I don't think they trade Martin, and if they did GS fans would go crazy. Possibly Jefferson COULD be dealt but it would take a big offer to do that.

Also it looks like Atlanta is ready to deal again as a GM usually doesn't say what Knight said. It was to the extent that there were two teams (Detroit, and NY) in very active talks and that a deal will probably happen.

Peck
02-19-2004, 06:55 AM
Dunleavy and Dampier for Harringtona nd Bender would be the worst trade the Pacers have ever made since DW took over in 1986.
It would be a disaster.

Cannot believe any of you think it might be OK.

Damp is a slow lazy post player with horrible hands and a very questionable work ethic and isn't he a free agent.

The thought of Croshere and Dunleavy being the backup forwards turns my stomach. Has there ever been a worse defensive tandem in the history of the NBA

Horrible trade, horrible

No it wouldn't be the worst trade he has ever made.

The trade that sent away a player who provided solutions to both of our problems for a player who is just now getting 8 min. a game was the worst trade ever made.

I am NOT going to debate the merits of contracts or money or anything in this post. I am just talking about the on court product alone.

Brad Miller was a legitimate center in size & he also had an outside shot to open up the middle for Jermaine.

Not to mention, he's an All-star. You can't even deny that anymore.

So at face value Brad Miller (all-star) for Scot Pollard (3rd string center, remember J.O. plays center with A.H. & R.A.) is the worst trade we have ever made & I really can't think of anything that would even come close to being as bad as that.

Ragnar
02-19-2004, 09:44 AM
Peck not only was that a bad trade it would be what is forcing this move.

They are now looking at dumping Al for a center who is better than the one we have but not as good and makes more than the one we had.

Hicks
02-19-2004, 11:09 AM
Never let the facts get in the way of a good story, huh guys?

Who are you talking to?

sixthman
02-19-2004, 12:40 PM
[quote][b]I am NOT going to debate the merits of contracts or money or anything in this post. I am just talking about the on court product alone.

Brad Miller was a legitimate center in size & he also had an outside shot to open up the middle for Jermaine.

Not to mention, he's an All-star. You can't even deny that anymore.

So at face value Brad Miller (all-star) for Scot Pollard (3rd string center, remember J.O. plays center with A.H. & R.A.) is the worst trade we have ever made & I really can't think of anything that would even come close to being as bad as that.

Yep, bad trade talent wise. But without it the Pacers would probably have not been able to eliminate Ron Mercer's salary and would have wound up serious luxury tax payers. The trade saved the Pacers bottom line nearly 30 million, counting:

1) salary
2) luxury tax on the salary
3) loss of shared team revenues which was nearly 15 mil last season.

Unless, of course, you are one of those who think the luxury tax won't apply this year and is an imaginery fear.

bulletproof
02-19-2004, 12:48 PM
Never let the facts get in the way of a good story, huh guys?

Who are you talking to?


He's talking to Peck and Rag, of course.

waxman
02-19-2004, 02:35 PM
Screw these trades... they're crap.

tdeltdot
02-19-2004, 02:50 PM
I am not sure why people look at Speedy as a selling point. We already have 4 point guards and Speedy isn't a lock to start over Tins.

We would be giving up Al and changing the roster with the second best record in the NBA for a center in to his 1st good season (whom I'd say we have about as much chance of signing as Brad) and an average pt guard who has never played a complete season as a starter.

Speedy can guard point guards better than any guard on the Pacers roster. Dampier has a good chance of staying on the Pacers roster either by not opting out, or the fact that the Pacers can still offer him a good chunk of money, and even at the very worst a sign and trade can occur.

Harrington will NOT realize his potential in Indy unless Artest or JO is traded, and those three on the front-line make me shudder when playing any physical team. Also if this trade is done, a Croshere for Taylor trade can be made as well, to give the Pacers an Al like guy off the bench.

WOW, Speedy's a better defender than Fred Jones!! Ok, then I want this guy!
You are DEAD wrong about Al. (and that lineup, it is our best)
An "Al like guy". Gotta love it. (not) :laugh:

Speedy is, IMO, an excellent player and he's been on a tear since mid-Jan, including 19 points, 13 assists and 7 steals in his last game. He, I think, is such a good player that this trade is really just a pipe-dream - i.e. way too lopsided in the Pacers favor.

Peck
02-19-2004, 03:09 PM
Never let the facts get in the way of a good story, huh guys?

What the hell are you talking about?

I said in my post from an on court talent move only. How can any facts get in the way of that.

The trade.

Scot Pollard for Brad Miller.

You honestly are saying that that is a good basketball move? If you were the G.M. of Sac. & I'm the G.M. of the Pacers & I came up & offered to move Scot back to the Kings for Brad you would do it?

Does nobody else find the irony of almost every post on here calling for trades today is one that has the Pacers seeking a center?????? :banghead: :banghead: :censor: :arrgh:

able
02-19-2004, 03:15 PM
Nonsense, revisionist history, Pollie was nothing more then a band-aid for losing a free agent, nothing to do with a trade, no matter how you want to call it.


:stupid:

Peck
02-19-2004, 03:18 PM
Nonsense, revisionist history, Pollie was nothing more then a band-aid for losing a free agent, nothing to do with a trade, no matter how you want to call it.


:stupid:

I call it nothing more than what the official NBA transaction calls it.

A trade.

Hicks
02-19-2004, 03:23 PM
Nonsense, revisionist history, Pollie was nothing more then a band-aid for losing a free agent, nothing to do with a trade, no matter how you want to call it.


:stupid:

I call it nothing more than what the official NBA transaction calls it.

A trade.

It was a trade. Fine. But I hope you're not kidding yourself into thinking it was a basketball trade and not a business trade.

Ragnar
02-19-2004, 03:24 PM
Nonsense, revisionist history, Pollie was nothing more then a band-aid for losing a free agent, nothing to do with a trade, no matter how you want to call it.


:stupid:

No matter how you spin it The "trade" or "bandaid" was stupid. The Pacers would have been in much better condition had we let Brad walk and kept Mercer's expiring contract.

Or we would not be looking for a center at all had we simply kept Brad for the money we are paying Pollard and Kenny. Neither of whom are helping us win any games right now.

Right now the Pistons ended up with Sheed for NOTHING exept expiring contracts. We could have had Dampier had we kept Mercer and used him as part of the deal.

No matter how you spin it the Pacer brass f#cked up this summer.

indygeezer
02-19-2004, 03:24 PM
We're argueing ancient history. The reality is we have a chance to do good things this year but we have a major flaw. Now, how to fix that problem?

able
02-19-2004, 03:31 PM
We're argueing ancient history. The reality is we have a chance to do good things this year but we have a major flaw. Now, how to fix that problem?

trade Al.

No matter how you look upon it, unless you want to loose Ron or JO this summer, his time is running out here, he will not stand for a 6th man position and he is not in the better 2 of this 3 so......

realisticly there is no place for him here in the future unless you let either one of the captains go.

No one ever wondered why Ron made "captain" and not Al?

Al is an internal accident (read disaster) waiting to happen.

Let's make one thing clear, Al is VERY good player, who will be a starting PF or SF, just not on this team, now if he could bang.......


Half an hour left for P management to "react" to the sheed trade.

we'll see, no news on Dampy is no trade yet, meaning all options still open.
No news on DD either, and I'm willing to bet he IS moving.

indygeezer
02-19-2004, 03:36 PM
Actually Able, trades can occur AFTER THE DEADLINE, IF the trade discussion started BEFORE the deadline passed. WWeird huh? It's happened before.

I totally agree. I'm still willing to deal Al for a big and whatever we can get. Believe it or not. We have needs and using Al to fill-in for RA while he's injured will not address those needs.

ChicagoJ
02-19-2004, 03:43 PM
They can be approved after the deadline, but they must be submitted to the league office at or before the deadline.

sixthman
02-19-2004, 04:09 PM
Right now the Pistons ended up with Sheed for NOTHING exept expiring contracts.

Well, not exactly. The deal cost them two first round draft picks.

So assuming they don't re-sign Wallace, it's rent-a-Wallace this season for two first round draft picks BUT Detroit also gets the capspace to re-sign Okur.

birdman
02-19-2004, 04:51 PM
Man I was kinda hoping we'd make a trade for Damp even if Al had to be in it.

able
02-20-2004, 09:23 AM
now if he could bang"

You're losing credibility.
Fast. :unimpressed:

Yep, that's the way to do it: if you run out of arguments and proof you just attack the poster, class act.

Well at least I have credibility to loose :D