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    5/7/2013 NBA Playoffs, Second Round - Game Thread #2: Pacers Vs. Knicks


    FICKS THE KNICKS


    -VS-


    Game Time Start: 7:00 PM ET
    Where: Madison Square Garden, New York, NY
    Officials: J. Crawford, S. Corbin, D. Stafford, J. Goble

    Television:
    Radio: WFNI 1070 AM / WEPN 98.7 FM
    Media Notes: Indiana Notes, New York Notes
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    REMINDER: Per PD policy, please do not share a link to, describe how to search for, request a link to, or request a PM about streaming video of a NBA game that is not coming directly through the NBA. Not even in a "wink-wink, nudge-nudge, know-what-I-mean" round-about sort of way. Thank you


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    ANTHONY
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    PACERS
    Danny Granger - left knee surgery (out)



    KNICKS
    Steve Novak - back spasms (questionable)
    Amar'e Stoudemire - right knee debridement (out)




    Avi Friedman: The Subtle Ways Lance Stephenson Lifts the Pacers

    Lance Stephenson came into this league as a physical specimen with loads of potential.
    For two years, that’s all he was: a physical specimen who lacked maturity, control and
    defensive determination.

    Over the past season we have seen him grow before our very eyes.

    Until this year, every time Lance made a good play, I used to be worried that he would
    get over confident and turn the ball over on the next possession. Now I want him to
    touch the ball on every possession, and at times I even think the Pacers should try
    running the offense through him.

    As the regular season wore on, Stephenson was given more playing time and asked to
    take on a larger role. At some point he realized how much he actually meant to this team
    and fully bought into it. The further we got into the season, the more Lance figured out
    ways he could help this team. A player who thrived in high school by making highlight
    plays quickly became determined to help his team by making unflashy plays.

    “It’s coming around that he knows we need him,” said Paul George after Indiana’s Game
    1 win over New York. “We need him to play a huge role.”

    Lance has always been a player capable of making jaw-dropping passes but at times has
    struggled at finding the “right” or “simple” pass.


    On this play, Lance is given the ball to pass to Paul George in the post. Lance determines
    that passing to Paul will be ineffective so he looks to pass it back to the point guard,
    George Hill. However, Pablo Prigioni is blanketing Hill, so Lance quickly looks for his next
    option, which is Roy Hibbert. Roy quickly hands it off to Hill who ends up getting it inside
    to West for an easy layup. Lance doesn’t get an assist for this; heck, he doesn’t even get
    a hockey assist. But this is a play on which, earlier this year, he likely would have tried
    to force the ball to one of the Georges.

    Of course, he’s still more than willing to make the flashy play when he get’s the chance:


    Here he catches Raymond Felton ball-watching on the rebound and cuts down low for the
    tomahawk jam.

    When I first saw Lance Stephenson play, he seemed extremely out of control. He just
    seemed careless with ball and always attempting to beat his man off the dribble. Now,
    while he still looks like Taz to first-time onlookers, those who’ve grown used to watching
    him play are able to appreciate how calm he looks.

    Notice on these three plays how he’s able to draw defenders by making moves to the
    basket that free up open teammates:


    Here, Lance makes a move to the basket that causes a series of rotations by the Knicks
    and ultimately leads to an open DJ Augustin three.


    Tyson Chandler is aware of Lance’s open-court ability and willingness to attack in
    transition, so he rushes to get back to defend the paint. This leaves Roy Hibbert open
    from mid range. The big fella catches a no-look pass from Lance and drains it.


    Watch Lance draw Felton in and pass to the guy who was 3-for-3 from downtown at that
    point in the game. Augustin pump fakes, gets Felton in the air and ends up getting an
    easy layup.

    Throughout, Lance just looks so calm. It’s crazy...CONTINUE READING AT 8p9s

    Dylan Murphy: KnicksTape - How To Solve The Hibbert Problem

    Kidnap him. Or...

    "Anthony, drives middle, straight at Hibbert...

    Blocked!"

    How many times did we see this play in Game 1? 14,368 times, approximately. So why
    is Roy Hibbert so effective in these plays? Because he throws his hands straight up in
    the air and doesn't move. It also helps that he's 7-2. And what's worse for the Knicks is
    that his defense remained superb and consistent against two classic Knicks' offensive
    sets.

    1) Here we have Carmelo Anthony in his super effective (note: not effective) baseline
    isolation with Hibbert in a help position.


    Anthony proceeds to barrel into the paint, only to meet Hibbert with his hands straight
    up in the air. Anthony tries to draw the foul; the refs aren't having it because Hibbert's
    hands are, well, straight up in the air. Sure, he may have fouled Anthony once or twice
    throughout the game, but his defense was exceptional in its stability. And it probably
    doesn't help that Melo whines at the refs every and all game.

    But what's important here - and different from the Celtics' defense against Melo - is that
    they don't have to stack the paint with a strong side overload. Boston didn't have a Roy
    Hibbert; they negated their lack of size by generally cramping things up. What Hibbert
    does, more than just protect the hoop, is allow Indiana's perimeter defenders to mostly
    stay at home. So when Melo is driving to the basket, there's really no one to whom he
    can kick the ball out.


    David West stays on Shumpert. George Hill barely leaves Felton. Lance Stephenson is
    only in the vicinity because he foolishly tried to swipe the ball from Anthony as he
    drove in. The only real help defender is Hibbert. But, as we saw all game, that's all
    Indiana really needs. Now at full speed:


    2) With Melo or Felton or anyone as the ball handler in the pick-and-roll, all Hibbert
    did was back up and keep backing up and back up some more and then back up.
    There was oodles of space to attack. Take advantage, right? Well, not exactly. What
    Indiana is doing is forcing the Knicks into the least efficient shot in the game: the mid-
    range jumper. With Hibbert in protect-the-rim-mode and the rest of Indiana's defense
    committed to staying at home against shooters (that's all Frank Vogel yelled about in
    "Wired" segments), it left the Knicks with only two options: pull up or take your
    chances one-on-one against the big fella.

    On this pick-and-roll, Anthony decides to attack. But check out how far backed up
    Hibbert is as the Tyson Chandler pick is being set, as well as the position of the other
    Indiana defenders.


    Hibbert's already in the paint before Anthony even crosses the three-point line.
    Indiana's other defenders are not even remotely concerned with the paint (only
    Stephenson ends up doing his dumb swipe thing). This matchup - Hibbert vs. anyone
    - is exactly what Indiana wants. It's a sort of cruel irony that the Knicks are now
    being punished for their offensive aggression. Against Boston, all we ever wanted
    was some paint penetration. But now that they're facing Indiana, the Knicks are
    forcing it at the rim a bit much. And now the play in real time:


    3) Here Felton selects the other option, the pull-up. But again, notice Hibbert's
    complete disinterest in whatever's going on near the three-point line:


    Felton has nowhere to go with the ball; Hibbert dares him to shoot. He does, and he
    misses.


    Granted this shot is particularly wide open, and there's often the threat of the picked
    defender lurking for a block from behind. But you've got the point, hopefully. Indiana
    is dangling mid-range cupcakes in front of New York.

    Okay, great. What's the solution?

    Glad you asked!...CONTINUE READING AT POSTING AND TOASTING

    Jared Dubin: Was Carmelo Anthony the victim of uncalled fouls?

    It’s become something of a common refrain among Knicks fans that Carmelo Anthony
    “never gets any calls.” (Full disclosure: I am a Knicks fan, though I do not belong to
    this particular sect of fandom.) The story goes that the ratio of contact taken to fouls
    drawn for Carmelo is very high, and that he does not get the “superstar treatment”
    his peers are awarded by the whistleblowers. The complaints often reach a particular
    fever pitch against physical teams with bruising power forwards against whom
    Carmelo is matched – an early season Memphis game, multiple Bulls games, and the
    last two Pacers games immediately come to mind when recalling instances that fans
    were particularly adamant that Melo was getting the short shrift on the whistles.

    Before diving into the tape from Game 1 of the Eastern Conference Semifinals, let’s
    acknowledge a few facts facts. First, Carmelo Anthony drew an average 6.2 personal
    fouls per game this season, 4th in the NBA behind only Dwight Howard, James
    Harden and Kevin Durant, per NBA.com. Prorated per 36 minutes, Anthony drew just
    0.1 fewer fouls than Durant, 0.4 fewer than Harden, and 0.5 more than LeBron James.

    Second, when compared to his superstar peers, Carmelo takes an unusually low
    percentage of his shots from inside the lane, where fouls are most often drawn. Only
    33.6 percent of Anthony’s field goal attempts this season came from inside the lane,
    per NBA.com. By way of comparison, that number was 40.5 percent for Kobe Bryant,
    44.1 percent for Durant, 47.6 percent for Harden, 49.9 percent for Russell Westbrook,
    51.5 percent for James, and 60.1 percent for Dwyane Wade.

    Based on the foregoing, it’s tough to conclude that Anthony was the victim of a lack of
    calls throughout this season. Of course, those are just the numbers. You’d have to
    watch the tape of every game played this season and track “contact” compared to
    fouls drawn to really know if it were true, a task too tall for even the most intrepid
    NBA writer (note: I’m not the most intrepid NBA writer, I just liked that turn of phrase).
    As such, we’re going to stick strictly to Game 1 of the Pacers series to see if Carmelo
    was really the victim of uncalled fouls yesterday afternoon.

    Indiana was the league’s best interior defensive team this season. They surrendered
    the second fewest attempts per game in the restricted area and held their opponents
    to the lowest field goal percentage in the league on those attempts. Their opponents
    also shot the third worst percentage in the league on shots inside the paint, but
    outside the restricted area. Additionally, the Pacers were a pretty foul-averse team
    this season. Despite playing such tough interior defense, only eight teams sent
    opponents to the free throw line less often as a percentage of field goal attempts, per
    NBA.com.

    A look at Carmelo’s Game 1 shot chart shows that he was unusually aggressive
    attacking the basket – 13 of his 28 field goal attempts – 46.5 percent, a stark 11.9
    percent increase from his season-long average – came inside the lane. From watching
    the tape, it’s clear that it was a priority of his to get into the lane and challenge
    Indiana’s bigs at the rim. 12 of those attempts came inside the restricted area, and he
    made only three. Those plays were the primary source of ire among Knicks fans who
    felt Melo was wanting for calls in Game 1.

    With use of video from mySynergySports, I re-watched the game with a close eye on
    whether Anthony was the victim of a blown call on any given play, with special
    attention paid to those plays where he attempted a shot inside. In the interest of
    posterity, we’ll examine only the plays that were possible fouls and leave the relatively
    clean and uncontested jumpers aside.


    We’ll start midway through the first quarter with a play that would become emblematic
    of something we’d see throughout the afternoon. Anthony drives the lane and challenges
    Hibbert at the rim. Hibbert, rather than jumping out toward Melo to contest the shot,
    jumps straight up and backwards so as to ensure he does not make contact and get
    called for a foul. The referee rightly keeps his whistle in his pocket.

    Here is the first time Carmelo actively gripes about an uncalled foul, something that
    would happen numerous times throughout the game. Hibbert starts his challenge inside
    the restricted area and again jumps straight up and backwards to avoid fouling Anthony.
    His arm swings down at the last second, after Anthony has already put up his layup.
    Sometimes this is called a foul, sometimes it’s not.


    Later in the first quarter, on a play where Anthony was called for a travel, we get a
    picture perfect look at Hibbert’s style of contesting shots at the rim. Hibbert’s 7’2″ frame
    is perfectly straight up and down, and again he is jumping up and backwards rather than
    thrusting his body toward Anthony at the moment he goes up for his shot. It happened
    to be irrelevant on this play because Melo shuffled his feet before the shot, but it is still
    a good view of Hibbert’s style.

    It’s hard to tell if Anthony is just pumped up or in want of a foul on this play, but it again
    appears to be a rather perfect contest at the rim from Hibbert. At risk of sounding like a
    broken record, he simply jumps straight up and backwards rather than forwards when
    contesting the shot. His arms are long enough that he can still be in the way of the
    attempt even while falling back and out of bounds. On the layup attempt off the rebound,
    Carmelo is relatively uncontested and clearly untouched.


    It’s likely that there are two fouls on this play. First, on Paul George for putting both
    hands on Carmelo’s back and shoving him slightly while he’s battling for position on the
    block. This is the kind of by-the-book foul that rarely gets called and would draw tons of
    “REALLY? You’re calling THAT a foul? Did you even watch the Grizzlies-Clippers series?!?”
    comments on Twitter. However...CONTINUE READING AT HOOP CHALK

    James Herbert: Setting the Pace

    How Paul George went from an Unheralded Recruit to Starring in the NBA Playoffs

    Neither the New York Knicks nor the Indiana Pacers had particularly easy times of it in
    the first round. It took six for each to advance, and the Knicks almost let their opponent,
    the Boston Celtics, come back from a huge deficit to send it to seven. But alas, the clear-
    cut second- and third-best teams in the East meet for a chance to, in all likelihood, face
    the juggernaut Heat in the East finals.

    Before the Most Improved Player Award and the All-Star Game, before the 3-Point
    Shootout and the Slam Dunk Contest, before his first highlight on ESPN and the draft,
    there was the YMCA. When Indiana Pacers swingman Paul George played his first
    basketball game, he wore jean shorts.

    "They were pants and he cut ‘em into shorts," said his sister Teoisha George, now a
    fashion designer and formerly a forward at Pepperdine. "My sister and I, we were just
    cracking up. We were like, ‘Oh my God, look at him playing in jean shorts.’ All these
    other kids, they had their full YMCA uniform. "He was looking at us, like, ‘What are you
    guys laughing at?’ He didn’t see anything wrong with it."

    In a league with only 450 players, everyone has defied odds. But of all the kids in that
    YMCA, you wouldn’t think the kid wearing jean shorts would turn out to be one of the
    best wing defenders on the planet, guarding point guards and power forwards when
    required. You wouldn’t think that an NBA All-Star would arrive via Palmdale, Calif. and
    the WAC.

    A relative unknown coming out of Fresno State when the Pacers picked him No. 10
    overall in the 2010 draft, George’s emergence was unlikely. He saw himself as a Tracy
    McGrady-type and possessed promising physical characteristics at 6’8 and 214 pounds
    with exceptional leaping ability, but there is a lengthy list of athletic wings who never
    approached stardom.

    Shooting up two inches to 6’10 and expanding his game in the seasons since, he’s gone
    from a solid starter to the face of the Pacers, averaging 17.4 points, 7.6 rebounds and
    4.1 assists per contest this year.

    He started the 2013 postseason with a 23-point, 11-rebound, 12-assist triple-double and
    led Indiana in all of those categories -- plus steals -- in its first-round series against the
    Atlanta Hawks.

    If you’re wondering how he got here, his never-satisfied attitude provides a hint.

    "At 23, I know I’m nowhere close to where I want to be and where I need to be and
    where I’m going to be," George said, "but I guess it’s a good start to see where I am."


    Growing up in the small desert town of Palmdale, George didn’t play a lot of organized
    basketball as a child. He loved the game and played "every free moment he had," said
    Teiosha, but a lot of it was at the park or one-on-one against his older sister. He
    arrived at Pete Knight High School lanky and raw.

    "He was probably about six feet tall and he was as skinny as a rail," said Knight head
    coach Tom Hegre. "I knew at the time that [Teiosha] had been a tremendous player in
    high school and she was attending Pepperdine, so we knew there was a lot of potential
    for growth and development in Paul."

    Although George joined the varsity team early in his sophomore season, he wasn’t a
    star until he was a senior. As he got taller, he was asked to play on the inside, but he
    always wanted to play on the wing. He emulated McGrady and his favorite player,
    Kobe Bryant, when working on his ball-handling and outside shot.

    As the only non-senior in the starting lineup...CONTINUE READING AT SB NATION




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  • #2
    Re: 5/7/2013 NBA Playoffs, Second Round - Game Thread #2: Pacers Vs. Knicks

    We win this game and go back to BLF and sweep the Knickerbockers
    Smothered Chicken!

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    • #3
      Re: 5/7/2013 NBA Playoffs, Second Round - Game Thread #2: Pacers Vs. Knicks

      Not to get too cocky or ahead of myself, but if we win tonight, I fully believe this series is all but over. There's no chance the Knicks can beat us twice at the Fieldhouse.

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      • #4
        Re: 5/7/2013 NBA Playoffs, Second Round - Game Thread #2: Pacers Vs. Knicks

        Stephenson is going to beast again tonight!

        We are a GREAT team when Stephenson is aggressive and into the game. Hibbert needs to continue to box out Chandler, we can't let New York get second chances and we should win this game again tonight.

        We're a better basketball team.

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        • #5
          Re: 5/7/2013 NBA Playoffs, Second Round - Game Thread #2: Pacers Vs. Knicks

          I'll be busy tonight and checking in via the phone app.

          You guys watching keep them winning or I'll get on here and yell at ya!
          BillS

          A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
          Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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          • #6
            Re: 5/7/2013 NBA Playoffs, Second Round - Game Thread #2: Pacers Vs. Knicks

            Realistically, I do not expect us to win tonight. Winning 3 straight playoff games on the road is very hard.

            But I believe in this team. I believe in our D. I do not expect anything. I just hope for the best.

            Leggoooooooooooo!!!
            Originally posted by IrishPacer
            Empty vessels make the most noise.

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            • #7
              Re: 5/7/2013 NBA Playoffs, Second Round - Game Thread #2: Pacers Vs. Knicks

              Knicks will come out firing for sure but play our hearts out guys we can do it!!

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              • #8
                Re: 5/7/2013 NBA Playoffs, Second Round - Game Thread #2: Pacers Vs. Knicks

                Not sure the game thread is the place to make this post but I don't want to start my own thread. Again, as with my analysis before the first game (where I, unfortunately, surprised myself by being quite accurate, with the exception of game scoring - amazed at 197 in game 1) as I don't know the Pacers that well (though I was quite impressed from game 1) this will mostly focus on us, not you. Anyway, here are my Knick keys, not just for the game but the rest of the series:

                1) Man the eff up. I mean really. I'm sure our guys thought they played hard in game 1 and it wasn't like the first half of game 4 vs Boston where our heads were up our collective butts. They gave effort but it wasn't playoff effort where you leave your brains and guts and balls on the floor. We did that in the 4th quarter, we didn't for the first three. This is the lesson. Normal regular-season effort won't get it done. It's a new level. What won you 54 games in the regular season won't win you 16 in the playoffs. It's also why typically teams need a decent playoff run one year to be able to make the finals the next year. We have to learn this. This is the number one reason I'm sorry I won't see this game, to see if our guys "get it" from this perspective. We might be able to win this game, as it's at home, with normal effort and a little better shooting. I want to know that we realize that it takes everything you are to win in the playoffs. And that you can't wait until you're 16 down.

                2) Ball movement. I won't reprise my post from the "Beating New York" thread completely and again, we weren't as stagnant as we were in the Boston series and at least when we went ISO we went at the basket rather than taking bad jump shots. But we have to use P&R, we have to use screens and we have to swing the ball on the perimeter. And we have to get Hibbert in motion though I don't have a great way to do that without a big man who can shoot from 15-18 (though KMart hit one).

                3) Tyson Chandler. Dear Lord but I don't know what's wrong with him. He says he's 100% recovered from the injury but I don't see it. Hibbert played great and I want to give him props but Chandler wasn't right the entire Boston series and he wasn't right Sunday. I don't know what his deal is but I want to see him take a P&R ball and if Hibbert's inside the circle, flat-out go through him to the rim. We have to impose our will and Tyson Chanler needs to be the imposition.

                Beyond that, STFU and play. I'm tired of Carmelo's facial expressions and I'd lay 10-1 odds that Chandler gets a T tonight.

                I think there's a good chance we win tonight even if we don't get it re number 1. We're home and I doubt Melo has to sit for 8 minutes with foul trouble. But if we don't turn it up a level, this will be a temporary respite, a chance for us to feel good about our team before we get leveled on Saturday.

                And I really wish I could watch but all I'll be doing is catch occasional score updates on my IPAD. I'll be interested in reading posts here to see how the game evolved.
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                • #9
                  Re: 5/7/2013 NBA Playoffs, Second Round - Game Thread #2: Pacers Vs. Knicks

                  Can't wait for the game. I too am skeptical that we can win this one though. NY will be ready and at home.

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                  • #10
                    Re: 5/7/2013 NBA Playoffs, Second Round - Game Thread #2: Pacers Vs. Knicks

                    Can't wait for this game. If we win, and come back to Indy up 2-0 on New York...man that's awesome. That being said, I don't really expect a win tonight. New York is a good team and they're playing at home still, after getting abused in the first game. They're going to come out more determined and give us everything. At least, they should. Plus, refereeing will change and Melo won't sit as long this game. Hopefully Hibs stays out of foul trouble tonight, but who knows what'll happen?

                    From reading most of the OP, I was quite fond of this quote from PG:

                    "At 23, I know I’m nowhere close to where I want to be and where I need to be and
                    where I’m going to be," George said, "but I guess it’s a good start to see where I am."
                    He ain't done.
                    It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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                    • #11
                      Re: 5/7/2013 NBA Playoffs, Second Round - Game Thread #2: Pacers Vs. Knicks

                      Joey Crawford in the garden tonight....

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                      • #12
                        Re: 5/7/2013 NBA Playoffs, Second Round - Game Thread #2: Pacers Vs. Knicks

                        Originally posted by ApNeDtRiEeW View Post
                        Joey Crawford in the garden tonight....
                        Could work in our favor. Play the Knicks physical again and get under their skin. JCraw won't put up with bad attitudes from the Knicks.

                        As I have an awful memory of this type of thing, has he done any games for us this season? How has he been calling the "straight up" rule that makes Hibbert so good at rim protection? Or any of the other refs for that matter?
                        It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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                        • #13
                          Re: 5/7/2013 NBA Playoffs, Second Round - Game Thread #2: Pacers Vs. Knicks

                          Nervous as hell for this game, but I'm really praying we pull this one out. New York is going to come out playing hard as hell, we better play harder!

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                          • #14
                            Re: 5/7/2013 NBA Playoffs, Second Round - Game Thread #2: Pacers Vs. Knicks

                            Not expecting a win but hoping for one. Barring a 40 point loss, nothing in this game could make me upset. Worst case scenario: it's a 5 game series where we have home court.

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                            • #15
                              Re: 5/7/2013 NBA Playoffs, Second Round - Game Thread #2: Pacers Vs. Knicks

                              Originally posted by The Future View Post
                              Stephenson is going to beast again tonight!

                              We are a GREAT team when Stephenson is aggressive and into the game. Hibbert needs to continue to box out Chandler, we can't let New York get second chances and we should win this game again tonight.

                              We're a better basketball team.
                              Stephenson is quickly becoming my why the hell is he on the bench right now!! guy.

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