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VF21
02-28-2013, 11:45 PM
Mayor Kevin Johnson not only brought the whales, he included a new member of the NBA Hall of Fame and the potential resurrection of the WNBA Monarchs.

http://blogs.sacbee.com/city-beat/2013/02/updates-here-mayor-kevin-johnsons-state-of-the-city.html

As a Kings fan, to hear that Mitch Richmond has invested $1 million of his own money was huge. Hearing that the potential ownership group, headed by Mark Mastrov, is going to try to bring back the Sacramento Monarchs is also incredible.

Bottom line, Kevin Johnson came through with an offer the NBA is going to find very hard to refuse. Stay tuned for further developments.

(I had to share with you guys. It's a great night for Kings fans. Regardless of what the future brings, it was on this night that Mayor Kevin Johnson truly gave us back our hope.)

As he said, "WE ARE SACRAMENTO!"

cdash
02-28-2013, 11:48 PM
As much as I would like to see Seattle get a team again, this is awesome. All the credit in the world to Kevin Johnson. There were several times when he could have just given up and accepted the inevitable, but he has kept fighting. I hope for your sake you guys get to keep the Kings and get some owners who actually know what they are doing.

Sandman21
02-28-2013, 11:50 PM
If KJ keeps the coalition together, Sacramento is going to pull it off.

boombaby1987
02-28-2013, 11:54 PM
Seriously congrats. I really hope this leads to the continuation of basketball in Sacramento.

VF21
03-01-2013, 12:25 AM
More info: http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ken-berger/21787761/sacramento-mayor-kevin-johnson-delivers-local-owner-for-kings-tells-seattle-not-our-team

Mr.ThunderMakeR
03-01-2013, 12:42 AM
I don't get the whales reference, can someone explain?

I'm glad to hear Sac may keep the Kings. Great fans there and they deserve to keep them. On the other hand there are great fans in Seattle and I think they deserve a team too. I was there about a year ago and a lot of people were still talking about the Sonics. They need a team there, just not the Kings (or Pacers). I don't know who though, definitely not another expansion team.

ilive4sports
03-01-2013, 02:08 AM
I don't get the whales reference, can someone explain?

I'm glad to hear Sac may keep the Kings. Great fans there and they deserve to keep them. On the other hand there are great fans in Seattle and I think they deserve a team too. I was there about a year ago and a lot of people were still talking about the Sonics. They need a team there, just not the Kings (or Pacers). I don't know who though, definitely not another expansion team.
whale = big investor, used a lot in finance talk

I was watching KJ's speech on TV tonight. I said it on twitter, he's a fantastic mayor. He's doing every thing he can and Sacramento is going to be a better place because of it. Don't **** this up NBA. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Peck
03-01-2013, 02:13 AM
I am truly happy that you guys in Sacramento have real hope. I really want you guys to be able to keep this team there.

rabid
03-01-2013, 02:41 AM
This is great news for Sacramento. Fingers crossed that KJ can pull it off. Also having the Kings within driving distance allows me to see one more Pacers game per year so I'm hoping for the best :)

Nuntius
03-01-2013, 05:45 AM
I want Seattle to get a team but I'm very happy for Sacramento.

They have a great fanbase and the city really wants to keep the team. They deserve a team. Go Sacramento. Screw the Maloofs!

mattie
03-01-2013, 06:29 AM
Sacramento deserves to keep their team. Seattle shouldn't even be in the conversation. If Seattle fans are "great" then we don't have the right word to describe Sacramento fans. And if Seattle is so great, they shouldn't be rooting to steal a team from a great city like Sac-town.

Kstat
03-01-2013, 06:43 AM
Sacramento deserves to keep their team. Seattle shouldn't even be in the conversation. If Seattle fans are "great" then we don't have the right word to describe Sacramento fans. And if Seattle is so great, they shouldn't be rooting to steal a team from a great city like Sac-town.

...so they should be rooting for what, to never get another team again? The NBA isn't expanding anytime soon.

I'm not saying I'm rooting for the Kings to move to Seattle, but This is the only way Seattle is going to get their team back.

mattie
03-01-2013, 07:03 AM
...so they should be rooting for what, to never get another team again? The NBA isn't expanding anytime soon.

I'm not saying I'm rooting for the Kings to move to Seattle, but This is the only way Seattle is going to get their team back.

Doesn't it seem hypocritical to bemoan the loss of your team, and then root for another city to lose theirs so you can get what you want?

Kstat
03-01-2013, 07:45 AM
Doesn't it seem hypocritical to bemoan the loss of your team, and then root for another city to lose theirs so you can get what you want?

When the alternative is never getting a team again? Nope.

Im sure everyone in Seattle can empathize with Sacramento fans. But that doesn't mean they should turn down the opportunity.

Likewise, Sacramento fans would very quickly look for other teams to poach if they lost the kings. This isn't a morality play.

HickeyS2000
03-01-2013, 10:07 AM
Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes!

Kid Minneapolis
03-01-2013, 11:27 AM
I'm glad Sac is possibly keeping their team, but at the same time I wish Seattle would get a team again. How 'bout we fix the mistake that is the Charlotte Bobcats by renaming them the Seattle Bobcats? Lol.

1984
03-01-2013, 11:37 AM
Californians should be most concerned about the state of basketball. With more leaders like Kevin Johnson, imagine the possibilities.

Mr.ThunderMakeR
03-01-2013, 01:45 PM
I'm glad Sac is possibly keeping their team, but at the same time I wish Seattle would get a team again. How 'bout we fix the mistake that is the Charlotte Bobcats by renaming them the Seattle Bobcats? Lol.Any team that plays NBA basketball in Seattle MUST be called the SuperSonics. Probably one of the coolest sports team names ever (you hear that Pelicans?).

ilive4sports
03-01-2013, 05:45 PM
Californians should be most concerned about the state of basketball. With more leaders like Kevin Johnson, imagine the possibilities.

Keeping the Kings and getting a new arena downtown is going to do wonders for Sacramento.

Kstat
03-01-2013, 05:51 PM
Californians should be most concerned about the state of basketball. With more leaders like Kevin Johnson, imagine the possibilities.


...because, Sacramento has so much else?

VF21
03-02-2013, 01:10 AM
When the alternative is never getting a team again? Nope.

Im sure everyone in Seattle can empathize with Sacramento fans. But that doesn't mean they should turn down the opportunity.

Likewise, Sacramento fans would very quickly look for other teams to poach if they lost the kings. This isn't a morality play.

You seem to want to ignore the fact that Seattle had a team and LOST IT because they couldn't get an arena deal done. While the Mariners and the Seahawks were getting public money for new venues, the Sonics didn't garner enough support to get the same. IT'S THEIR OWN FAULT!

Sacramento, on the other hand, has done everything they've been asked to do, both by the lunatic brothers Maloof and the NBA. We had an arena deal in place last year, until George Maloof backed out. (Most likely, as we know now, because they couldn't afford to put in their contribution.)

We want our team. We've supported our team through thick and thin. The Maloofs, in an ultimate petulant manner, sneaked around and made a deal with Seattle all the while maintaining in public that they wanted to stay in Sacramento. They have bargained in bad faith, but they're going to be paid quite nicely just to get the hell out of the picture.

If you're going to take Seattle's side in this, that's your choice. But please get your facts straight. Thanks ever so...

Kstat
03-02-2013, 01:13 AM
Yes, yes, you're all better fans than Seattle. If only Seattle had such amazing people in their city, they'd still have the Sonics. One of you is worth ten of them. We get it.

Also, never said I was rooting for the Kings to move to Seattle. Keep on beating that strawman, though...

Lord Helmet
03-02-2013, 04:59 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZow0Enq1vU

King Tuts Tomb
03-02-2013, 05:32 AM
Yes, yes, you're all better fans than Seattle. If only Seattle had such amazing people in their city, they'd still have the Sonics. One of you is worth ten of them. We get it.

Also, never said I was rooting for the Kings to move to Seattle. Keep on beating that strawman, though...

I actually am rooting for the Kings to move to Seattle, because I lived there a couple years ago and I plan on moving back soon and want to get season tickets eventually, but I will say that Sacramento fans on average probably care more about the NBA and their team than people in Seattle. Once when I was living in Seattle, probably around 2011, my neighbor asked me "hey did you hear the Sonics left?!"

VF21
03-03-2013, 12:36 AM
Yes, yes, you're all better fans than Seattle. If only Seattle had such amazing people in their city, they'd still have the Sonics. One of you is worth ten of them. We get it.

Also, never said I was rooting for the Kings to move to Seattle. Keep on beating that strawman, though...

Whew. I was beginning to fear you would just never get it.

Pace Maker
03-03-2013, 01:58 AM
Good for them. They're putting up a hell of a fight

ChicagoJ
03-04-2013, 11:23 PM
Sacramento deserves to keep their team. Seattle shouldn't even be in the conversation. If Seattle fans are "great" then we don't have the right word to describe Sacramento fans. And if Seattle is so great, they shouldn't be rooting to steal a team from a great city like Sac-town.

Well, I think they should get that team that's currently located in Oklahoma...

:punch:

pacer4ever
03-21-2013, 09:26 PM
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Talk about a Whale KJ just out did himself. He has got Vivek Ranadive to join the group to buy the Kings. The dude is worth 4 BILLION DOLLARS!!

Heisenberg
03-23-2013, 07:36 PM
The new (potential) ownership group just reached terms to build a new arena in Sacto.

Kings are gonna stay, Kevin Johnson's awesome.

boombaby1987
03-23-2013, 07:42 PM
Kevin Johnson is truly standing up for what is best for the city. Respect him so much.

Heisenberg
03-23-2013, 07:45 PM
With all that said...I'm pumped!!Ron B & I officially closed the deal a few mins ago - maybe this pic says it best! twitter.com/KJ_MayorJohnso… (http://t.co/AThMg9sAG9)
— Kevin Johnson (@KJ_MayorJohnson) March 23, 2013 (https://twitter.com/KJ_MayorJohnson/status/315608339956514816)
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bunch of stuff on his timeline about the details. I know nothing about what else he's done as a mayor, but he seems pretty awesome at it.

boombaby1987
03-23-2013, 07:46 PM
Is there anyway that the NBA can turn this down for "basketball reasons" ? I sure hope not.

VF21
03-25-2013, 12:40 AM
Without going into a lot of boring details, what KJ has accomplished with Ron Burkle, Mark Mastrov and now Vivek Ranadive is nothibg short of a miracle. The arena deal between the investors and the city is better than last year's. In addition to buying the team and partnering with the city to build the arena, the investors are pledging to spend about $400 million in developing the area around the downtown plaza. In addition, they are willing to commit to keeping the Kings in Sacramento for 35 years. And, to light the pretty little candles on the top of the cake, they are agreeing to pay all the pre-development expenses (approx. $6.5 million) that the Brothers Maloof not only refused to pay but actually said NO developer would ever pay.

Our next step is the city council approval of the term sheet, which should pass with a vote of 7-2. Then it's on to the NBA Board of Governors. Our proposal now includes an arena, the resurrection of the WNBA Monarchs, a long-term commitment to the city, about $30 million SO FAR in corporate sponsorships, an owner with a real vision towards globalization of the NBA (one of Stern's favorite projects) and two owners with significant credentials in professional sports (Ron Burkle and Vivek Ranadive). This goes along with other points in Sacramento's favor, such as 100% of the sports market in town, and some of the most loyal fans around. We're starting to get national exposure because so few people can believe we just refuse to give up.

Thanks to all of you here on PacersDigest who have shown your support. It has all helped. WHEN our new arena is built, we're hoping to see as many of you as possible.

#WeAreSacramento

ilive4sports
03-25-2013, 12:44 AM
I will be going to more Kings games knowing that they will have owners that aren't about to pull the carpet out from under Kings fans.

Nuntius
03-25-2013, 12:10 PM
That's great news, guys. I'm so happy for you :D

Doddage
03-25-2013, 12:26 PM
Good riddance, scumbag Maloofs. Here's to good days coming back for the Kings franchise.

rabid
03-25-2013, 01:05 PM
VF21 we will have to have a PD get-together for the Pacers game in Sactown next year!

HickeyS2000
03-25-2013, 01:10 PM
VF21 we will have to have a PD get-together for the Pacers game in Sactown next year!


I'm in.

VF21
03-25-2013, 06:21 PM
VF21 we will have to have a PD get-together for the Pacers game in Sactown next year!

Works for me. :)

Shade
03-25-2013, 06:53 PM
Very happy for you guys, VF21. Sacramento deserves to keep the Kings.

Seattle still needs a team, though.

VF21
03-26-2013, 01:11 AM
And just when we thought all the surprises were over, Vivek Ranadevi (whale #3) announced via a news interview tonight that the Jacobs family (of Qualcomm fame) is joining into the mix.

http://www.news10.net/news/article/2...eaks-to-News10 (http://www.news10.net/news/article/237858/3/Whale-equity-investor-Vivek-Ranadive-speaks-to-News10)

Roaming Gnome
03-26-2013, 06:26 AM
Seeing how the schedule shakes out... NaptownSeth and myself may have to do a return to California's capital city to celebrate for next years Pacers/Kings game with some of the local PD'ers. As I mentioned on the KingsFans board VF, I'm beyond happy for the fans in Sacramento. Feels like your new ownership group has a freight train of momentum barreling down the tracks!

Heisenberg
03-26-2013, 10:22 AM
Kind of...weird that so many Seattleites (that what you call em?) hope this whole Sacramento bid fails, especially after SonicsGate and all that. It'd be one thing if the Seattle group made an offer and that was that, Sacto just went away. But they've obviously done anything but. I don't want to paint the whole Seattle community or anything, but seriously? After all that stuff, the documentary, the pickets, the signs behind the bench in OKC, you still want to steal a team.

And make absolutely no mistake, if Seattle got the Kings at this point it would be the closest thing to the non-legal definition of stealing you can get. Maybe they're jealous, I don't know, but holy hypocrites.

Also; if the Kings still leave, absolutely no team is safe. NO team. Sacramento's bent over a barrel, smiled, and said thank you.

Roaming Gnome
03-27-2013, 08:18 AM
Looks like the plan & funding for a new arena has sailed right through the Sacramento City Council on a pretty overwhelming vote...

Sandman21
03-27-2013, 04:31 PM
darren rovell ‏@darrenrovell 11m

After looking over what has been drawn up in Sacramento, I’m not convinced Seattle is as much of a layup anymore.
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rock747
03-27-2013, 04:51 PM
Unbelievable, this never happens when it comes to sports teams leaving town. Nice to see.

VF21
03-27-2013, 04:57 PM
It's not over yet, but last night's city council vote at least keeps us in the game. Mayor Kevin Johnson and the grassroot efforts of the CrownDowntown people, along with Carmichael Dave's #PlayingToWin roadtrip are keeping things interesting.

Next up is the presentation to the Board of Governors next week. First up is the decision on whether or not to move the team. Sacramento vs. Seattle. Which city is the best home for the Kings. Which city (and its people) have done the most to work with the NBA and present a plan for a state-of-the-art facility. Which city will provide the most benefits for the NBA (and the city).

It's not over but it's looking more and more like it could be a happy ending for Kings fans.

TinManJoshua
03-27-2013, 05:14 PM
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VF21
03-30-2013, 06:25 PM
Local radio personality Carmichael Dave, who was fired from KHTK (allegedly for being loyal to the fans and not the Maloofs), is going across the US in a bus/van to garner signatures to help keep the Kings in Sacramento. He hopes to arrive in New York in time for the BoG presentation on April 3. You can follow him on Twitter or at his website http://playingtowintour.com/ Be sure and check out the videos.

Thanks again for the support of all you Pacer fans. This is bigger than just Sacramento. This is about loyal fans of small market teams EVERYWHERE!

Nuntius
03-30-2013, 06:32 PM
Local radio personality Carmichael Dave, who was fired from KHTK (allegedly for being loyal to the fans and not the Maloofs), is going across the US in a bus/van to garner signatures to help keep the Kings in Sacramento. He hopes to arrive in New York in time for the BoG presentation on April 3. You can follow him on Twitter or at his website http://playingtowintour.com/ Be sure and check out the videos.

Thanks again for the support of all you Pacer fans. This is bigger than just Sacramento. This is about loyal fans of small market teams EVERYWHERE!

Oh, that's just awesome. Kudos to Dave :D

VF21
04-03-2013, 02:58 AM
Well, today's the day. Both Seattle and Sacramento will make their presentations to the NBA relocation/finance committees.

In late-breaking news, the shares of Kings stock thought to have been purchased by Chris Hansen of Seattle have had a matching offer made by a current minority owner. Dave Lucchetti, who owns only 1% of the team, will now acquire the 7% previously owned By Bob Cook, who was forced to surrender his shares to a bankruptcy court for sale. Lucchetti will join the forces of Ron Burkle, Mark Mastrov, Vivek Randadive and Paul Jacobs. This leaves open the opportunity for Lucchetti to exercise his Right of First Refusal for the purchase of the team by simply matching the Hansen offer. It would, if allowed, stop Hansen from proceeding with his purchase attempt. While not thought to be likely, it is just another weapon in the arsenal in case the relocation and sale are approved by the NBA.

Things just keep getting more and more interesting.

And, to add to the fun, there is speculation that Kevin Johnson might have still one more ace up his sleeve. Hey, at least no one is bored.

:)

able
04-03-2013, 07:47 AM
the All I can say is that I wish you and all your co-fans the best there is to get from today and tomorrow and may we soon learn that YOUR team remains YOUR team!

VF21
04-06-2013, 11:39 PM
Carmichael Dave (@CarmichaelDave) and his PlayingToWin RV bus will be in Indy on Monday! Be sure to sign the RV to help support our cause. You can follow Dave on Twitter or via his website at www.PlayingToWinTour.com

Thanks, Pacer fans. I look forward to meeting some of you next year at SleepTrain Arena in Sacramento.

Heisenberg
04-07-2013, 12:51 AM
I just really can't say enough about the push Sacto's made to keep their team. If God forbid it were the Pacers instead of the Kings it'd be nowhere near this I fear, I'm jealous.

And there are comments about the Pacers on Seattle sites. Stuff like "well if the Kings fall through the Pacers aren't far behind."

Sandman21
04-07-2013, 02:46 AM
Carmichael Dave (@CarmichaelDave) and his PlayingToWin RV bus will be in Indy on Monday! Be sure to sign the RV to help support our cause. You can follow Dave on Twitter or via his website at www.PlayingToWinTour.com

Thanks, Pacer fans. I look forward to meeting some of you next year at SleepTrain Arena in Sacramento.

Where in Indianapolis?

VF21
04-07-2013, 03:40 AM
In front of the arena. If you see him, be sure and tell him VF21 sent you. :)

Nuntius
04-07-2013, 03:54 AM
If God forbid it were the Pacers instead of the Kings it'd be nowhere near this I fear, I'm jealous.


If this was to happen to the Pacers then the city would most probably boycott any attempt to keep the team there, sadly :(

VF21
04-07-2013, 03:59 AM
Dave is filming a video log of his journey. The latest episode just posted:


http://youtu.be/LAiZDhrJiNM

Heisenberg
04-07-2013, 05:28 AM
It's very much worth noting that Herb Simon's one of the seven members of the relocation committee.

HickeyS2000
04-07-2013, 05:44 AM
It's very much worth noting that Herb Simon's one of the seven members of the relocation committee.

And the guy who bolted seattle heads the committee. That makes me most nervous about keeping the kings in sacramento.

Roaming Gnome
04-07-2013, 10:22 AM
Carmichael Dave (@CarmichaelDave) and his PlayingToWin RV bus will be in Indy on Monday! Be sure to sign the RV to help support our cause. You can follow Dave on Twitter or via his website at www.PlayingToWinTour.com

Thanks, Pacer fans. I look forward to meeting some of you next year at SleepTrain Arena in Sacramento.

I'm looking forward to going down there and showing some support...

VF21
04-07-2013, 05:51 PM
And the guy who bolted seattle heads the committee. That makes me most nervous about keeping the kings in sacramento.

Actually, I have faith in Clay Bennett simply because he's dealt with Seattle and he knows the fickle nature of the fans, the less-than-enthusiastic support of the city government, etc. Bennett does not believe he did anything wrong in moving the Sonics to Oklahoma City and he doesn't seem to believe that he - or the rest of the NBA - have anything to be guilty about. He won't be voting to move the Kings simply to put a team back in Seattle.

And as an aside, Seattle had five years to get back the Sonics name etc. free of charge. If an ownership group couldn't come forward and entice a team back to Seattle within the five years, then Bennett would SELL the name, etc. Guess when that five years expires?

idioteque
04-07-2013, 06:45 PM
Good luck Sactown. Envious of your great fans over there.

VF21
04-07-2013, 07:12 PM
Uh oh. It appears Dave is in front of your arena right now. He just tweeted that he'll be in Chicago tomorrow. I'm guessing he might be trying to be those storms... Hope some of you can still get a chance to see him and sign the RV.

Sandman21
04-07-2013, 08:22 PM
Gah, won't be able to make it down in time.

Its been kind of hard to follow the schedule of the tour. They really haven't tweeted when they'll be at places until its too late.

Heisenberg
04-07-2013, 09:26 PM
tell em to hit I74 West a little bit before heading up I65 lol

TOP
04-07-2013, 09:36 PM
When I was younger, I had a couple of favorite teams.

NBA: Pacers, Kings
NFL: Titans, Giants, Saints --- 49ers and Panthers as a little kid.
MLB: Astros, Yankees(sorta) --- Cubs as a little kid.

Now only I have one team in every sport. I don't know how I liked the Yankees because now I despise them. But, I loved the Kings when they had Bobby Jackson, Jason Williams, Doug Christie, Peja Stojakovic, Hedo Turkoglu, Chris Webber, Vlade Divac, Scott Pollard... man, that was a wicked team. They got screwed against the Lakers.

I also loved Kerry Collins from his Panthers days so I followed him to the Saints and Giants. Then Aaaron Brooks took over for the Saints and I loved him along with Ricky Williams, Deuce McCallister, Joe Horn and Dante Stallworth. Then on the Giants, you had Kerry Collins, Tiki Barber, Ron Dayne, Amani Toomer, Jeremy Shockey, Michael Strahan, Jesse Armstead, Jason Seahorn... was so disappointing when they got smashed in the Super Bowl by the Ravens. It was amazing when the Saints beat the Rams in the playoffs though. It was like their playoff win or something happened for the first time. I remember going for an onside kick after halftime or to start the game and they recovered.

Sorry to ramble on haha... I just remember those days and I loving the Kings, Giants and Saints. But, I eventually grew into one team. I mean... who wouldn't love Reggie Miller, Jalen Rose, Chris Mullen, Rick Smits, Dale Davis, Mark Jackson, Travis Best, Jeff Foster, Sam Perkins, Jamaal Tinsley, Stephen Jackson, Al Harrington, Ron Artest, Jermaine O'neal...

This comment was really pointless and I hope they stay in Sacramento. Go Kings?

VF21
04-07-2013, 10:27 PM
tell em to hit I74 West a little bit before heading up I65 lol

Send him a tweet @CarnichaelDave with #Playingtowin You might be able to catch him. :)

Sandman21
04-08-2013, 06:55 PM
Crap, sounds like Burkle is out of an ownership stake:

David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt 1h

Also, Sac people spent a lot of time selling Burkle as ultimate big $, NBA-influencing "whale." Will Jacobs (Qualcomm) step into the breach?
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David Aldridge David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt 1h

Burkle being out helps potential Maloof sale to Sac group if NBA rejects Seattle bid. Maloofs uninterested in selling 2 him in any form.
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David Aldridge David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt 1h

Nonetheless, whatever small stake Burkle had in team bid will have to be replaced.
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David Aldridge David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt 1h

Let me be clear before Sac Tweeters go nuts: Burkle's involved in development in area surrounding arena, not arena itself.
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David Aldridge David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt 1h

Potential conflict raised at last week's meeting with finance/relocation committees in NYC. Source says Burkle had small stake in team bid.
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David Aldridge David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt 1h

Burkle is investor in Relativity Media, the shop led by agent Happy Walters, who reps Stoudemire, Ty Lawson, Iman Shumpert, among others.
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David Aldridge David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt 1h

Can confirm that Ron Burkle now concentrating solely on Sac arena project instead of also investing in Kings b/c of potential conflict.
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Don't think it will hurt the Sactown coalition too much if KJ can keep it together though.

d_c
04-08-2013, 10:44 PM
I really don't know what the outcome of all this will be, but one thing is for sure: The NBA absolutely LOVES these two ownership groups battling it out for one franchise.

The league loves nothing more than high valuation of their franchises, and now with two ownership groups willing to show them the money in a big way, the NBA gets a huge boost in the valuation of at least one franchise.

In fact, I can see it one day where, no matter the outcome of this, there winds up being a franchise in BOTH these cities eventually. Bottom line is the NBA is going to go where the money is. I wouldn't be surprised to eventually see the current Grizz/Bobkittens/Pelicans team get steered towards the city that the current Kings don't go to.

It would be a win-win for the NBA. Two franchises that were once seen as small market teams get valued at over $500M. Don't tell me Stern and Co. aren't thinking about that.

VF21
04-09-2013, 01:27 AM
Crap, sounds like Burkle is out of an ownership stake

Burkle is out of the mix as fair as ownership in the team or direct investment in the arena, BUT he is still committed to helping with the redevelopment of the downtown plaza area, a project worth some $500 million.

This wasn't a surprise to most who have been following the issue. Of course, David Aldridge isn't always in the loop so maybe he doesn't know the Jacobs family (QUALCOMM) was brought into the mix a while back, with most assuming it was to cover any idea that our ownership group wasn't strong enough.

Burkle was never set to be a major owner. As it stands now, Vivek Ranadive and Mark Matrov will be at the front as far as the team purchase is concerned.

Bottom line for most Kings fans is that we have the time right now. Much like officials don't overturn a call unless there is irrefutable evidence, we cannot see the NBA taking our team away unless there is substantial proof that the Seattle relocation is much better than leaving the Kings where they are and accepting the Sacramento group's purchase offer. And, as DA pointed out, with Burkle out of that group, the animosity level of the Maloofs has dropped significantly.

Roaming Gnome
04-09-2013, 06:31 AM
Burkle is out of the mix as fair as ownership in the team or direct investment in the arena, BUT he is still committed to helping with the redevelopment of the downtown plaza area, a project worth some $500 million.
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...as DA pointed out, with Burkle out of that group, the animosity level of the Maloofs has dropped significantly.
VF, What is the original beef between the Maloofs and Ron Burkle? I know I've picked up on this before over on the KingsFan board but never heard about why those folks are at odds with each other to begin with.

VF21
04-09-2013, 07:40 PM
VF, What is the original beef between the Maloofs and Ron Burkle? I know I've picked up on this before over on the KingsFan board but never heard about why those folks are at odds with each other to begin with.

It's all a little murky about origins but when the Maloofs were in New York trying to get approval to move the Kings to Anaheim, Kevin Johnson indicated that Ron Burkle offered to buy the Kings and keep them in Sacramento. (It was then that David Stern first whispered the immortal words, "They've got Burkle?") George Maloof reportedly went ballistic, denying repeatedly that the Kings were for sale and insinuating that Burkle was trying to steal their team. One of the brothers - it might haven been Gavin - said "Tell Burkle to go back where he belongs!"

I suspect there might be more to the story, but we'll probably never know. The late-to-the-party reporters who are maintaining that there was never any ill will between the Maloofs and Burkle don't have their facts straight.

Sandman21
04-11-2013, 06:42 PM
This must bode well for Sac-Town:
http://sulia.com/channel/basketball/f/5132abbc-1702-4ae3-ab36-2cfc417238ad/?source=twitter


Ric Bucher
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Source: Sacramento could have a harder time keeping Kevin Johnson than keeping the Kings at this point. As it stands, if the current Sacramento group matches the essential elements of the agreement with the group in Seattle, the league committee weighing the two offers is expected to recommend keeping the Kings where they are. Vivek Ranadive, the Warriors minority owner who picked up the flag for Sacramento, has been a game-changer, second only to Johnson, sources say. The former NBA point guard, one source says, has blown away NBA owners with his preparation and delivery to the point they want to find a way to get him into the league front office. Still remains to be seen what those essential elements are and if the Sacramento group can deliver them in a deal by Friday, but after all Johnson has accomplished, nothing seems to be beyond his capabilities at this point. 8 minutes ago

Naptown_Seth
04-12-2013, 01:50 PM
Kevin Johnson for commish? Wouldn't that be a dream, an NBA vet who took his politics/business serious enough to make it a strong 2nd career and has been getting his hands very dirty working this deal (hard work, not shady work). This is not a token "Hey, I'm famous, vote for me" guy.

Of course you could see others in the LO being intimidated by that and wanting to keep him out for that reason.

pacer4ever
04-12-2013, 02:22 PM
This must bode well for Sac-Town:
http://sulia.com/channel/basketball/f/5132abbc-1702-4ae3-ab36-2cfc417238ad/?source=twitter

This doesn't surprise me at all. I have been following this story for ages and have come away with the same impression KJ is a really bright guy. I like the As quite a bit and listen to a lot of bay area sports talk like the Grant Napear show. KJ is a very good talker and does what he says. When he speaks you listen and you believe it him. He would be a great head coach in basketball because his positive vibe is contagious, he is sincere in his speech that is why I believe he could get players to run through a wall for him. I would court him as a coach after his term is up. He has a very Frank Vogel like vibe.

VF21
04-12-2013, 03:01 PM
Kevin Johnson has a bright future, but I suspect he's headed for the big office once occupied by Arnold Schwarzenegger and not NYC. He's got some of the best and brightest minds in his political party working with him on this arena deal and, provided all goes well, it could easily propel him straight to the Governor's office.

In other news, our ownership dream team continues to evolve and solidify with technology giant Chris Kelly. Two areas very close to the NBA's heart are now fully covered in additional to the arena deal - both globalization and advanced digital technology are very well represented. Vivek Ranadive, the Jacobs family and Chris Kelly can help add state-of-the-art technology on a scale not seen anywhere else to the arena, making it a virtual immersion experience. The mind truly boggles at some of what they've said...

In other interesting news, Carmichael Dave is pulling into Las Vegas today. He was planning to stay in the RV but received an invitation from George Maloof for Dave and crew to stay in the Palms Casino as the guests of the Maloof family. (I can't make this stuff up...) Dave accepted the offer (and who wouldn't after spending almost a month crammed into an RV with two other guys). It's another indication that the Maloofs are trying in their own way to reach out. The only possible explanation I can see is that they realize they will most likely be selling to Sacramento and they want to jump on the bandwagon. Bets are currently being taken (behind the scenes, of course) on whether or not Dave can get George to sign the RV. :dance:

able
04-12-2013, 03:21 PM
what's with the Maloof 5 PM deadline today VF21 ? any news on that?

VF21
04-12-2013, 04:53 PM
what's with the Maloof 5 PM deadline today VF21 ? any news on that?

More posturing by the Maloofs. They have a binding sales agreement with Hansen/Ballmer, including a $30 million "non-refundable" deposit put up by Hansen/Ballmer to prevent the Maloofs from negotiating with any other party until the sale is either ratified or denied by the BoG. (Hansen's no dummy and he knows full well what the Maloofs did to Virginia Beach.) Because of this restriction AND because of the animosity between the Maloofs and Ron Burkle, David Stern indicated that Sacramento should submit any offers to the NBA, which they did. The first offer was the one that Stern referred to as being "too low."

Since that time, our ownership group has changed, removing the eternal thorn in the Maloof's side (Ron Burkle) and adding the Jacobs family, a local developer (whose name escapes me at the moment) and now Chris Kelly. Kevin Johnson is in constant communication with the NBA, and David Stern recently indicated that money was no longer an issue. Our dream team has a firm number they have communicated to the NBA and from all indications the Maloofs are aware of that number.

Recent developments (lots of tweets, hints, rumors, etc.) seem to show that the NBA wants to make the Seattle group "whole" in case the BoG turns down the sale, meaning they want the Sacramento group to pay back the $30 million to Seattle. Vivek Ranadive and his partners have no problem in doing that, removing another hurdle.

The statement from the Maloof camp is puzzling, but no more than anything else they have done. It's almost as though George (the one brother who is most often responsible for the more mind-boggling events) wants to make it clear that they're still in control. An article in today's Sacramento Bee indicated that the Maloofs are interested in purchasing either an NHL or MLB team and don't want to leave Sacramento with "scorched earth" - although for most fans, that ship sailed quite a while ago, hit a reef and sank with the loss of all souls on board.

When you combine the Maloof statement with the offer to Carmichael Dave to stay at the Palms Casino/Hotel as a guest of the Maloof family, it's very tempting to draw the conclusion that the Maloofs realize the BoG isn't going to approve the Seattle sale and they'll either sell to Sacramento or face the possibility of having the NBA step in and assume control of the team "in the best interests of the league."

I have no doubt that everything that needs to be done by the Sacramento group is well in hand. If the Maloofs feel better by putting forth demands, more power to them. At the end of the day, if we still have our Sacramento Kings, I will really not care if we have to pat them on the head one more time to get the deal done.

VF21
04-16-2013, 02:22 AM
Within a few short days, the fate of the Sacramento Kings will be decided. I hope no other fanbase has to feel what we have felt the past few years. On Wednesday, we will come together in Sleep Train Arena, not knowing if it's the last game of the season or if it's the last game ever. And, as gut-wrenching as that sounds, it will be the SECOND time we've done it.

Keep us in your thoughts please, Pacers fans. Do it for us, do it for youselves. If the NBA can take our team away after all we've done to try and keep it, what city is next?

Hopefully I'll be back in a few days to share my joy.

#ForSacramento

CableKC
04-16-2013, 02:58 AM
Within a few short days, the fate of the Sacramento Kings will be decided. I hope no other fanbase has to feel what we have felt the past few years. On Wednesday, we will come together in Sleep Train Arena, not knowing if it's the last game of the season or if it's the last game ever. And, as gut-wrenching as that sounds, it will be the SECOND time we've done it.

Keep us in your thoughts please, Pacers fans. Do it for us, do it for youselves. If the NBA can take our team away after all we've done to try and keep it, what city is next?

Hopefully I'll be back in a few days to share my joy.

#ForSacramento
Good Luck....hopefully you'll have some good news.

VF21
04-16-2013, 03:20 AM
This commercial is running every 5 minutes in Times Square for the next three days.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmrH-YRGgyM&feature=youtu.be

VF21
04-16-2013, 01:51 PM
Here's what it looks like up on the screen:


http://vimeo.com/64158892

Heisenberg
04-18-2013, 02:55 AM
Sleep Train Arena an hour or so after the game last night. Sure as hell hope it's not the last one there.

http://distilleryimage9.ak.instagram.com/dfc62e6aa7f311e2a8b322000a1f9691_7.jpg

VF21
04-18-2013, 10:21 PM
From Chris Ballard at SI.com

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba/news/20130418/sacramento-kings-final-game/?sct=hp_wr_a2&eref=sihp

VF21
04-22-2013, 06:01 PM
Nice article by Carmichael Dave regarding the real issue of the order of the voting and what we expect at the end of the week.

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2013/4/22/4253262/a-good-week-for-kings-fans

VF21
04-23-2013, 02:19 PM
For those of you who may not know about what Sacramento has had to put up with in dealing with the Maloofs about a new arena, this article should help.


...The key to any non-fictional narrative is that it should be based in fact. And that is something NBA owners truly have to weigh before making this decision. How did this story reach the point where George Maloof would give two impassioned anti-Sacramento speeches to his fellow owners in a little over two weeks time? And does he and his family have the right to dictate where one of their franchises will play just out of spite?

http://www.cowbellkingdom.com/2013/04/23/the-nba-shouldnt-buy-the-maloofs-version-of-the-sacramento-kings-narrative/

VF21
04-26-2013, 06:51 PM
Just an FYI - The recommendation from the combined Relocation and Finance committees - originally scheduled for today - has been pushed to Monday. Word is that the NBA is aggressively vetting the Sacramento offer.

Roaming Gnome
04-26-2013, 08:10 PM
Thanks for the updates VF, I wish you all in Sacramento the best eventhough it feels like this is in the bag for Sacramento!
#HereWeStay
#Playingtowin

VF21
04-28-2013, 09:26 PM
Carmichael Dave is going to be on the cyberwaves (?) on Monday. His latest tweet says "After a 6 week layoff, <s>#</s>cdnet (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23cdnet&src=hash) returns tomorrow at 8am with special extended coverage of the Kings decision. http://Thecdnetworks.com (http://t.co/CwrBZAIiiB)" He has pretty good sources and should be one of the first to be able to leak the committee recommendation.

I pray that no other fan base ever has to endure what we Kings fans have gone through.

obnoxiousmodesty
04-29-2013, 05:05 PM
The Kings are not going to Seattle.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>The NBA committees have voted no to relocation of Kings to Seattle, sources tell Y! Sports.</p>&mdash; Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/328977074075361281">April 29, 2013</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Kstat
04-29-2013, 05:06 PM
.....good for Sacramento, bad for Milwaukee....

VF21
04-29-2013, 05:11 PM
The NBA has issued a press release saying the vote was UNANIMOUS to reject the Kings move to Seattle!!!!

I don't know what to say or how to share these feelings. My team is going to continue to be my team. To Roaming Gnome and all the others who have given moral support, THANK YOU! I promise to buy you each a beer if you ever get out to see our new arena!!!

Heisenberg
04-29-2013, 05:12 PM
Well done Sacramento

BillS
04-29-2013, 05:13 PM
:dance:

Hafta make a point to go on the Sacto road trip next year in support of this!

Kstat
04-29-2013, 05:14 PM
I do wonder, if the bucks move out west, who moves to the eastern conference, Memphis or New Orleans?

Sollozzo
04-29-2013, 05:18 PM
I do wonder, if the bucks move out west, who moves to the eastern conference, Memphis or New Orleans?


I'd guess New Orleans since that franchise was in the East prior to 2004.

Heisenberg
04-29-2013, 05:20 PM
I do wonder, if the bucks move out west, who moves to the eastern conference, Memphis or New Orleans?

if they're looking to keep the same number of teams in the Central gotta figure Memphis or Minnesota make the most sense

idioteque
04-29-2013, 05:21 PM
Wow, great for Sacramento. On a few NBA board I browse, anyone who suggested that Sacramento would retain the Kings up to a short time ago was considered by most of the board to be a naive dreamer. Great for the city.

Sandman21
04-29-2013, 05:51 PM
Sean McDermott ‏@SeanMcDermott14 4m

#Pacers Owner #HerbSimon is one of the members of the #NBA Relocation Committee which voted unanimously against the #Sacramento #Kings move
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Hicks
04-29-2013, 05:54 PM
I'd guess New Orleans since that franchise was in the East prior to 2004.

Yeah, but geographically Memphis makes more sense. I'd prefer that.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pwt3wUjDm_g/TxRTysVHKEI/AAAAAAAADCM/FhaLx53xiLk/s1600/nba-fan-map.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pwt3wUjDm_g/TxRTysVHKEI/AAAAAAAADCM/FhaLx53xiLk/s1600/nba-fan-map.jpg

d_c
04-29-2013, 06:00 PM
Congratulations to Sac fans and my condolences to Seattle fans


My take on this:


-Seattle made one helluva offer and the NBA was seriously considering it. The NBA is very happy with what they showed up with. It just drove up the valuation of all franchises.

-David Stern didn't want the backlash of another team moving under his watch. He basically kept pushing back and pushing back the date of the vote in order to buy KJ and his group more time to find investors and to straighten out their arena deal.

Bottom line is Seattle made a great, hard to turn down offer, but KJ and Sac fought hard to keep their team and they had Stern on their side the entire time. Credit to them. Seattle will eventually get a team one way or another assuming Chris Hansen still wants to do this. They are offering too much money to ignore and they are a more than viable market.

Peck
04-29-2013, 06:03 PM
Great day for all small market teams.

Thrilled for the fans in Sacramento.

d_c
04-29-2013, 06:12 PM
I'll say this:

This was going to be a zero sum game with someone going home happy and someone else going home pissed.

As much as people hate David Stern, I have to sympathize with him a bit on this one. He knew he was going to have to screw over somebody in this case, and he pretty much said as much. Said that there was going to be a winner and a loser in this scenario. He didn't sugarcoat it. He looked pretty exhausted and beatdown whenever he took answers from the media about the subject. It wasn't a fun process.

I do really feel bad for Seattle. They got screwed over in 2008 and pretty much did everything right this time around to get a team back. Bottom line in all this is that if you want to keep your pro team, you better have investors/owners with money and politicians willing to fight.

Kstat
04-29-2013, 06:14 PM
I'll say this:


As much as people hate David Stern, I have to sympathize with him a bit on this one. He knew he was going to have to screw over somebody in this case, and he pretty much said as much. Said that there was going to be a winner and a loser in this scenario. He didn't sugarcoat it. He looked pretty exhausted and beatdown whenever he took answers from the media about the subject. It wasn't a fun process.

I do really feel bad for Seattle. They got screwed over in 2008 and pretty much did everything right this time around to get a team back. Bottom line in all this is that if you want to keep your pro team, you better have investors/owners with money and politicians willing to fight.

This.

And since Sacramento is off the table, Milwaukee will be screwed over.

Doesn't mean Sacramento was somehow wrong to keep the kings, but all it did was spell doom for Milwaukee, and they don't have an nba mayor with his reputation on the line to go to bat for them.

rock747
04-29-2013, 06:15 PM
Yeah, but geographically Memphis makes more sense. I'd prefer that.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pwt3wUjDm_g/TxRTysVHKEI/AAAAAAAADCM/FhaLx53xiLk/s1600/nba-fan-map.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pwt3wUjDm_g/TxRTysVHKEI/AAAAAAAADCM/FhaLx53xiLk/s1600/nba-fan-map.jpg

That Bulls logo should probably cover part of norther indiana :cry:

Kstat
04-29-2013, 06:16 PM
That Bulls logo should probably cover part of norther indiana :cry:

The bobcats logo over Virginia is awful as well.

rock747
04-29-2013, 06:20 PM
The bobcats logo over Virginia is awful as well.

Ha. The bobcats should have one of the biggest fan bases in the NBA according to this.

d_c
04-29-2013, 06:22 PM
Doesn't mean Sacramento was somehow wrong to keep the kings, but all it did was spell doom for Milwaukee, and they don't have n nba mayor to go to bat for them.

Yeah, there's nobody wrong in any of this latest situation. Can't blame anyone in Sac or Seattle from badly wanting a team. There's a lot of raw emotion for everyone there and someone was going to hate the outcome.

In hindsight, obviously I can't applaud Bennett for they way he took the team to OKC (everyone knew he was buying it to move it), but the NBA's decision to give Charlotte a second go around has really been a bust. If they hadn't done that, an expansion team would be looking really good in Seattle right about now.

Kstat
04-29-2013, 06:26 PM
Yeah, there's nobody wrong in any of this latest situation. Can't blame anyone in Sac or Seattle from badly wanting a team. There's a lot of raw emotion for everyone there and someone was going to hate the outcome.

In hindsight, obviously I can't applaud Bennett for they way he took the team to OKC (everyone knew he was buying it to move it), but the NBA's decision to give Charlotte a second go around has really been a bust. If they hadn't done that, an expansion team would be looking really good in Seattle right about now.

It isn't charlottes fault that they were saddled with three horribly inept owners over a 25-year period.

The Charlotte area WANTS to embrace the bobcats. They just aren't given anything to love.

Charlotte has had the nba since 1988, with a two year break from 2003-2004.

Over that period of time, the have won exactly three playoff series, and have never made it to the conference finals. They haven't seen a single playoff game victory since 2002. That's a stunning lack of success.

CableKC
04-29-2013, 06:33 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pwt3wUjDm_g/TxRTysVHKEI/AAAAAAAADCM/FhaLx53xiLk/s1600/nba-fan-map.jpg
Based off of this Map...there is a clear need for an NBA Team in Billing, Montana.

They would probably draw more NBA fans then the Pacers. :suicide4:

Kstat
04-29-2013, 06:34 PM
Based off of this Map...there is a clear need for an NBA Team in Billing, Montana.

They would probably draw more NBA fans then the Pacers. :suicide4:

I think the only reason for the question mark is we don't know what team Phil Jackson is rooting for...

ilive4sports
04-29-2013, 07:07 PM
So very happy the Kings are staying. Can't wait to see how much this revitalizes the downtown area.

HickeyS2000
04-29-2013, 07:08 PM
I'm very happy for the fans, the city and myself. I'm pretty new to the area so I have not had a chance to grow with the fan base, but the downtown arena/mall should do wonders for Sacramento (please, please, please figure the traffic out). Also, LIVE NBA ACTION WITHIN AN HOURS DRIVE!! WOOO!!!!

ThA HoyA
04-29-2013, 07:26 PM
That portion for the blazers is totally false as well most people in Washington state either are following a totally different team or stopped watching the NBA... To say blazers own the eastern part of Washington and also Idaho is a joke

rabid
04-29-2013, 07:42 PM
Very happy that I can still see the Pacers at least twice a year instead of just once a year...

Also happy for Sactown of course. :)

able
05-15-2013, 02:43 PM
Today is the day the board votes, I want to say here, VF21 and ALL Kinds faans i am thinking of you all day long!
~

Sandman21
05-15-2013, 03:17 PM
David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt 2m

Team Sacramento, led by Mayor Kevin Johnson and Vivek Ranadive, enters BOG meeting, as Team Seattle exits.
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David Aldridge David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt 40m

Team Seattle, led by Chris Hansen, walks into BOG Meeting. Not sure if they or Team Sacramento goes first.
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SycamoreKen
05-15-2013, 03:38 PM
That portion for the blazers is totally false as well most people in Washington state either are following a totally different team or stopped watching the NBA... To say blazers own the eastern part of Washington and also Idaho is a joke

Realistically more of the map should have question marks on it, or at least filled sparatically with Lakers/heat/insert other team of the moment.

As for the vote, what keeps the Maloofs from saying they will not sell if they can't sell who they want to?

Sandman21
05-15-2013, 06:02 PM
Mission Accomplished Sacramento.

David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt 1m

Sources confirm NBA BOG votes against relocation of Kings to Seattle. Team remains in Sacramento.
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PacersHomer
05-15-2013, 06:13 PM
Sorry Bucks fans.

d_c
05-15-2013, 06:19 PM
Sorry Bucks fans.

If what happened with the Kings is any indication, it's that if the city of Milwaukee (or their county) is willing to pay for a publicly financed arena, the NBA will keep the Bucks there.

The NBA will always favor keeping a team in an area that is willing to use public funds to build them an arena.

rabid
05-15-2013, 06:25 PM
Live press conference about this now on NBATV

EDIT: it's kind of funny watching the press do everything they can (via the questions they are asking) to make this look like Seattle has gotten screwed.

rabid
05-15-2013, 06:32 PM
As for the vote, what keeps the Maloofs from saying they will not sell if they can't sell who they want to?

Nothing (I don't think), but the Maloofs need to sell ASAP. They are broke. And now no one will want to buy the team unless they are interested in keeping the team in Sactown. Which means they pretty much have to sell to the group that has been put together by the city of Sacramento.

d_c
05-15-2013, 06:32 PM
Here's my summary of what went down:

-Seattle/Hansen were desperate for a team. They approach Stern/NBA about getting an expansion deal.

-Stern says that's awesome. He'd love to see a team in Seattle again before he retires (he said this himself),

-Stern tells them that there will be no expansion in the forseeable future. Only way you are getting a team is to buy one in move them there.

-Hansen/Seattle start putting in plans for an arena and gathering investors to buy a team. He finds Ballmer. He finds that the Maloofs are willing to sell. They put in an offer.

-NBA tells Sacramento that, if you want to keep your team, find someone willing to buy the team and build us an arena. We'll keep pushing the date of the vote further and further back. We'll buy you time to get your deal together, but you better do it soon.

-Sac scrambles and finds investors. Then they quickly approve a publicly funded arena deal that they would have never done w/o the threat of losing the team.

-Seattle/Hansen increase the bid and even increase the expansion fee. Stern and the NBA say Sac has decided to build an arena for us, so sorry. BTW, thanks for driving up the price and getting us an arena.

Basically, Stern/NBA used Hansen and Seattle to leverage Sacramento into building a publicly funded arena for them, all the while driving up the valuation of their franchises at the same time. Seattle loses (again), Sacramento keeps their team and the NBA/Stern is all smiles as their pockets just got fatter.

Sandman21
05-15-2013, 06:34 PM
These Seattle reporters are serious crybabies!

"Was Seattle used as a pawn to get a better deal for Sacramento?" ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

Heisenberg
05-15-2013, 06:36 PM
These Seattle reporters are serious crybabies!

"Was Seattle used as a pawn to get a better deal for Sacramento?" ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
It's not exactly a ludicrous question.

Hicks
05-15-2013, 06:38 PM
Good for Sacramento

Sandman21
05-15-2013, 06:39 PM
The way the dude said it though, these reporters are straying into crazy tinfoil hat land.

d_c
05-15-2013, 06:39 PM
These Seattle reporters are serious crybabies!

"Was Seattle used as a pawn to get a better deal for Sacramento?" ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

Umm, except that it's probably true.

The NBA told Seattle straight up that, "There will be no expansion anytime soon. You want a team? You buy one and move them to your town." The publicly funded arena Sac just gave the NBA would've never happened w/o the threat of moving the team somewhere else.

The NBA gets a free arena, they drive out owners they don't like (Maloofs) and the valuation of their franchises just increased. It's win, win, win for the NBA.

None of that happens without Chris Hansen's efforts.

Sandman21
05-15-2013, 06:44 PM
Umm, except that it's probably true.

The NBA told Seattle straight up that, "There will be no expansion anytime soon. You want a team? You buy one and move them to your town." The publicly funded arena Sac just gave the NBA would've never happened w/o the threat of moving the team somewhere else.

The NBA gets a free arena, they drive out owners they don't like (Maloofs) and the valuation of their franchises just increased. It's win, win, win for the NBA.

None of that happens without Chris Hansen's efforts.
Theres a difference in being a reporter and being a crybaby. The tone in the dude's voice leaned toward the latter, plus there are some who were upset when Stern said he had to get to OKC for the game tonight (ironically, I'd bet that OKC voted for the move).

d_c
05-15-2013, 06:46 PM
The way the dude said it though, these reporters are straying into crazy tinfoil hat land.

Well, they probably think the NBA/Stern hates Seattle and there's some conspiracy against them. But if what happened in Seattle (from 2006 - present) happened in Indy, you'd probably say the same thing too.

But you're right, there isn't a conspiracy. The lesson here is that if you build the NBA an arena for them, they'll like you for it and keep a team there for you at all costs.

Sandman21
05-15-2013, 06:49 PM
Sactown Royalty ‏@sactownroyalty 29s

He is in a closet guys!!!
Retweeted by Hardwood Paroxysm
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Sactown Royalty Sactown Royalty ‏@sactownroyalty 49s

Media just chased George Maloof into the Bell Stand closet!!! UNREAL!!
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Holy crap, they really did chase him into a closet!

David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt 28s

Seahawks CEO Peter McLoughlin, representing Blazers owner Paul Allen, says Portland was 1 of the 8 votes in favor of relocation to Seattle.
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VF21
05-15-2013, 07:55 PM
Good for Sacramento

Thanks, Hicks.

There is no way to express how many of us Kings fans are feeling. It's not joy so much as just relief that the ordeal is finally over.

A little bit about the Seattle media? They should be ashamed. They misled the Seattle fans with bad information and questionable sources. They never wanted to put the real question out there and they're the ones who Seattle should be mad at.

Bottom line is that Seattle wasn't the issue. Sacramento's willingness to jump throw all the hoops being held up by the NBA was what nattered.

As far as the comments about Seattle being used, this isn't some group of kiddies on the playground. Their group consisted of a hedge fund guru and the CEO of Microsoft. They went into this knowing what they were doing. (And, by the way, what they were doing was going behind the backs of the NBA and negotiating with pond-scum owners who continually denied the team was for sale.) They honestly didn't think that Kevin Johnson could get an arena deal (the second one to be passed by the city council) AND a consortium of owners to put forth a viable counter-offer for the team. KJ did it, though, and the Maloofs are walking away from all this smelling like a rose.

My thought about the Seattle group is that if you lie down with dogs, you'll get up with fleas.

I do feel sorry for the FANS of basketball in Seattle. They didn't deserve to lose their team and they certainly didn't deserve to be led down the garden path by disingenuous reporters and talking heads. Somebody needs to be honest up there, though, and admit that they lost their team in the first place because they wouldn't play ball with the NBA. You don't make a comment to Stern that says if the NBA wants a new arena to have the rich players pay for it and not expect it to someday come back and bite you.

Seattle has too little sunshine and way too much caffeine. I hope they can find a way to bring an expansion team back to their town so they can resurrect their beloved Sonics without killing another team's history.

Hicks
05-15-2013, 08:06 PM
I still don't want another expansion team.

Nuntius
05-16-2013, 03:11 AM
I'm so glad for Sacramento. Their fans deserve to have a team. They are extremely loyal. Congrats, VF21.

Let's hope now that the Kings are going to become a formidable team once again. You guys deserve a good team :)

PS: Also, I still want Seattle to have a team. But I didn't want Seattle to take away Sacramento's team. I don't really mind expansion.

ilive4sports
05-16-2013, 03:28 AM
a big ol middle finger to the maloofs. can't wait to rid them from the Kings. absolutely disgusting what they have tried to pull the last few years.

such a big win for the city today. glad the NBA rewarded the fans who worked so hard to keep them here.

King Tuts Tomb
05-16-2013, 03:35 AM
For my own selfish reasons I wanted the Kings to move to Seattle so this is a little disappointing. Nice for the Kings though. The early 2000s Kings teams were one of the things that turned me from a half college/half NBA fan into a completely die hard NBA fan.

Heisenberg
05-16-2013, 06:41 AM
I'm so glad for Sacramento. Their fans deserve to have a team. They are extremely loyal. Congrats, VF21.

Let's hope now that the Kings are going to become a formidable team once again. You guys deserve a good team :)

PS: Also, I still want Seattle to have a team. But I didn't want Seattle to take away Sacramento's team. I don't really mind expansion.

Expansion's one thing, but I've seen too many Seattle fans bring up the Pacers through this ordeal to say I sympathize with them anymore. I realize a few bad apples shouldn't spoil the bunch and all, but well, it has for me. I just don't get how a fanbase that went through what they did can be so cavalier about taking another fanbase's team, screw em.

d_c
05-16-2013, 07:20 AM
Seattle has too little sunshine and way too much caffeine. I hope they can find a way to bring an expansion team back to their town so they can resurrect their beloved Sonics without killing another team's history.

Seattle is exactly what helped the Kings get out from under the Maloofs (or at least it appears it'll happen soon). You should be thankful for them.

The NBA/Stern put a carrot in front of Seattle and put the wheels in motion for this whole deal. Stern said he wanted to see a team in Seattle before he retired but also said there would be no expansion. So everyone including Stern knew that Seattle was going to buy a team and try to move them. The NBA was perfectly fine with this (and they ended up LOVING this). They endorsed and worked with Hansen on his proposal.

The NBA basically used this great proposal from Seattle to leverage Sac into building a publicly funded arena. Along the way, they'll also get rid of the Maloofs and get a huge increase in franchise valuation.......all thanks to Seattle and Hansen. The NBA barely had to lift a finger. Hansen did all the legwork for them.

Notice that after this entire deal is basically over with, NOW there is all of a sudden talk of expansion for Seattle from Adam Silver. If the NBA simply told Seattle a couple years ago that they'd get an expansion team 3-4 years down the line, do you think Hansen would've gone to all this trouble and attempted to severely overpay in order to try to nab the Kings from Sac? I doubt it.

The NBA was wise in this. They told Seattle there would be no expansion in order to force them into making a ridiculously good offer to buy someone else's team. They had Seattle do all the legwork into leveraging an arena out of Sacramento. Without Seattle, Sac would still be stuck in the same situation with the Maloofs right now.

Very well played by Stern and co. They had someone else do all the legwork to get what they wanted. Anyone by now should understand why Stern should never show his face in Seattle again. And Stern knows he's hated there and basically gave the finger to Seattle with his "I have a game to go to in Oklahoma City tonight."

Dude was straight rubbing it into Seattle, and he enjoyed it, LOL.

Nuntius
05-16-2013, 07:24 AM
Expansion's one thing, but I've seen too many Seattle fans bring up the Pacers through this ordeal to say I sympathize with them anymore. I realize a few bad apples shouldn't spoil the bunch and all, but well, it has for me. I just don't get how a fanbase that went through what they did can be so cavalier about taking another fanbase's team, screw em.

I don't want any fanbase to lose its team. It's just hurtful. That's why I want Seattle to have a team back. That's also why I don't mind expansion at all.

d_c
05-16-2013, 07:28 AM
I just don't get how a fanbase that went through what they did can be so cavalier about taking another fanbase's team, screw em.

Don't blame Seattle fans for this. The NBA/Stern are the ones who were the enablers in this the entire time. They were the ones who said "NO" all along to expansion. They are the ones who turned fans against fans.

And it was all part of the plan. A plan to make Seattle desperate enough to have to throw ridiculous piles of money at someone else to steal a team. That was all in order to create leverage against the incumbent city to build them a new arena (and increase franchise valuation while they were at it).

If the NBA says no to expansion, then what do you expect some deep pocketed people in Seattle (who are desperate for basketball) to do? And why is it that, NOW, after Sac has agreed to build that arena, that the NBA is now talking expansion?

Blame the NBA in this situation for turning fans against fans in order to serve their interests. Blame them for moving the Hornets from a very good fanbase to a horrible one, all because that initially loyal fanbase in Charlotte refused to build a publicly funded arena for them. That's why we're in the current mess we're in with Seattle not having a team and now having to raid someone else's team.

Honestly, do you think the NBA would mind seeing Hansen try to do the same thing to get the Pacers or Bucks? They'd LOVE to see it happen again in order to get exactly what they just got in Sacramento.

d_c
05-16-2013, 07:41 AM
I don't want any fanbase to lose its team. It's just hurtful. That's why I want Seattle to have a team back. That's also why I don't mind expansion at all.

And that's what SHOULD have been the solution to begin with. But the NBA had ulterior motives and basically set the wheels in motion for this entire Sac vs. Seattle battle. They were the puppet masters in this the entire time.

Basically, if the NBA had just promised Seattle expansion to begin with, they wouldn't have gotten all these things out of the Sacramento deal that they just got. By now, it should be obvious to everyone that Seattle/Hansen were just tools to get the NBA what they wanted.

Heisenberg
05-16-2013, 07:42 AM
Honestly, do you think the NBA would mind seeing Hansen try to do the same thing to get the Pacers or Bucks? They'd LOVE to see it happen again in order to get exactly what they just got in Sacramento.

I'm with you on all this. But I honestly don't really care, this isn't a new thing in professional sports. Honestly, if extortion registered on my moral compass the way I feel like it should, the only sports I'd be watching are at Crawfordsville High School. The way pro sports sausage is made is more disgusting than the way actual sausage gets made. It's in this thread somewhere, but I've said previously I think Seattle privately funding a building, illogical as it sounds, is a negative for the NBA. That sets a poor precedent, because that's the reality we live in now, pro sports are mutli-billion dollar non-profits that extort money from every community they're located in.

And with the Pacers, yeah, I think the NBA would mind that. BLF's not the newest building anymore, but it's still stellar and we all know who paid for it (and Lucas Oil on a much grander scale), and is getting subsidized more every year. The $15mil/year CBI agreement, the $3.5mil for the ad ribbon and whatever else they did with it. Indy's got absolutely zero qualms with financing professional sports teams via taxes. Indiana being THE basketball state and all that be dammed, Indy could be Podunk, Montana and the NBA wouldn't dump a market that's as malleable as Indianapolis.

Nuntius
05-16-2013, 08:20 AM
And that's what SHOULD have been the solution to begin with. But the NBA had ulterior motives and basically set the wheels in motion for this entire Sac vs. Seattle battle. They were the puppet masters in this the entire time.

Basically, if the NBA had just promised Seattle expansion to begin with, they wouldn't have gotten all these things out of the Sacramento deal that they just got. By now, it should be obvious to everyone that Seattle/Hansen were just tools to get the NBA what they wanted.

I agree that this should have been the solution to begin with.

The points you're making are quite interesting. They help me to understand this situation a bit better.

Nuntius
05-16-2013, 08:22 AM
They are the ones who turned fans against fans.

Blame the NBA in this situation for turning fans against fans in order to serve their interests. Blame them for moving the Hornets from a very good fanbase to a horrible one, all because that initially loyal fanbase in Charlotte refused to build a publicly funded arena for them. That's why we're in the current mess we're in with Seattle not having a team and now having to raid someone else's team.


I completely agree with this. It's a divide & conquer strategy. The fanbases should NOT turn against each other. That's just what the NBA wanted them to do.

d_c
05-16-2013, 08:32 AM
I agree that this should have been the solution to begin with.

The points you're making are quite interesting. They help me to understand this situation a bit better.

It's really not even that interesting. I never realized it myself, but now it basically just smacks you square in the face.

Think about it: After the proposals and presentations and then the vote, the NBA all of a sudden came out with the stance that "It was never about Seattle. It was if Sacramento could come up with a reasonably good plan."

Well, geeez..........what do you think the chances are that they told Hansen this about 2.5 years ago when he was starting to get his plan together? They didn't tell him this back then. They helped him with his proposal and approved of what he was doing.

If 2.5 years ago they told him "Hey Chris, you know what you've come up with is great and all, but if Sac comes up with a half decent offer, it won't matter how good your offer is", do you think Hansen and co. would've went to all the trouble they did? They put the carrot in front of Hansen to make up a proposal and got the wheels in motion for everything that just went down.

And honestly, I really don't care that much about Hansen and Ballmer and co. They are big boys with deep pockets and are among the last people on the planet you should feel sorry for. I just hate the NBA for doing what they did because it pit fans vs. fans in a very, very nasty manner. That kind of stuff is horrible and I hope we never see it again.

Unclebuck
05-16-2013, 08:33 AM
I think it would be better for the NBA if the Hornets were in Seattle instead of N.O. I know that is not their name anymore.

d_c
05-16-2013, 08:38 AM
I think it would be better for the NBA if the Hornets were in Seattle instead of N.O. I know that is not their name anymore.

Absolutely. The NBA hates the fact that they don't have a team in as good a market in Seattle but do have one in as poor of a market as N.O. But they simply couldn't have the embarrassment of a team moving twice in less than a decade.

Again, that goes back to their rash decision of moving a the Hornets out of what was then a very good Charlotte market and into a bad N.O. market, all because Charlotte wouldn't build them a new arena.

BillS
05-16-2013, 08:46 AM
If there's no Hurricane Katrina I think NO loses their team. It's really all about not kicking a city while it was recovering.

TheRyanExpress
05-16-2013, 09:53 AM
Happy to see the Kings stay in Sacramento, but the most brutal thing from yesterday was Stern saying, 'This is going to be quick for me. I've got a game to get to in Oklahoma City, but the Board of Governors has voted against relocation.' Double stomach punch to Seattle in just a few sentences.

I think the NBA is going to use Seattle the way Los Angeles is used for the NFL. It's always a bargaining chip to hang potential relocation over a franchise's head to strong arm cities into paying for stadiums.

VF21
05-17-2013, 02:18 AM
The Maloof era in Sacramento, at times spirited and uplifting, at times dismal and depressing, appears to have come to an end.

A Sacramento investors group has reached a deal with the Maloof family to buy the Kings for an NBA record valuation of $535 million, a source has told The Sacramento Bee...

Rest here (http://www.sacbee.com/2013/05/16/5427622/kings.html)

That's it. The nightmare for Kings fans is over. Thanks to all of you here who helped give moral support. I look forward to meeting those of you who travel to Sacramento to see the Pacers-Kings play. I'll even introduce you to Crown Downtown's Mike Tavares.



Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2013/05/16/5427622/kings.html#storylink=cpy

Nuntius
05-17-2013, 02:42 AM
The Maloofs are out. Hooraaaaaaaay!!! :D

CableKC
05-17-2013, 03:03 AM
Rest here (http://www.sacbee.com/2013/05/16/5427622/kings.html)

That's it. The nightmare for Kings fans is over. Thanks to all of you here who helped give moral support. I look forward to meeting those of you who travel to Sacramento to see the Pacers-Kings play. I'll even introduce you to Crown Downtown's Mike Tavares.



Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2013/05/16/5427622/kings.html#storylink=cpy

Can you nutshell it for me as to who will own and take over the Kings now?

Is Keith Smart still under contract and for how long?

I'm guessing that the new Owners will want a new GM?

VF21
05-17-2013, 03:29 AM
Can you nutshell it for me as to who will own and take over the Kings now?

Is Keith Smart still under contract and for how long?

I'm guessing that the new Owners will want a new GM?

Keith Smart is under contract for one more year, but that's inconsequential. Vivek Ranadive, who heads our new ownership group, will be cleaning house as far as the coaching staff. We don't know many details yet.

There are 30+ investors in the new ownership group. If you really want to keep up on all things Kings, check out my home website at www.kingsfans.com It would be easier than me taking up any more of the fantastic hospitality Hicks and you other Pacer fans have shown me.

VF21
05-19-2013, 07:46 PM
And the new group isn't wasting any time. Although the website hasn't been completely redesigned yet, there's a new greeting when you go to kings.com...

http://www.nba.com/kings/long-live-sacramento-kings#/story/news/long-live-kings-rally-announced-thursday-cesar-chavez-park

Roaming Gnome
05-19-2013, 08:37 PM
And the new group isn't wasting any time. Although the website hasn't been completely redesigned yet, there's a new greeting when you go to kings.com...

http://www.nba.com/kings/long-live-sacramento-kings#/story/news/long-live-kings-rally-announced-thursday-cesar-chavez-park

Seen "Long live the Kings"... Very inspiring considering all Sacramento Kings fans have been through after the early success of the Maloof era.
Welcome back to the competitive side of the NBA, Sacramento. It should be fairly clear that the Maloofs spent the last few years alienating the fan base & city to grease the rails to slide right out of town.