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Peck
02-27-2013, 04:38 AM
So I’m walking out of the game once again on another high that only comes with another Pacers victory and I am going towards the normal green trash can to meet up with my fellow Pacers brothers & sisters. I’m jubilant on top of the world and ready to join in some post game merriment and exultation of our beloved team when I come across Hicks who looks like the visage of death standing there.

In a quandary as to why he looked so sour I was going to ask if he was unhappy at some incident in his life or if he was suffering from gas. He proceeded to tell me how bad he thought this was. Well at first I was confused as all get out, how bad what was as we had just beaten a good solid team. But before we could go on high octane once again decided to ruin our spot by playing their damn drums in the hallway (God that is irritating) so by this time Gnome & the Mrs. Have arrived and we begin to wander our way down to the window by the practice court when en route to there Gnome tells me he is very disappointed.

Again, stunned I ask in what? He tells me he is disappointed in Roy.

You could have knocked me over with a feather. In fact by the time Seth, BillS & Mrs. And Trader Joe had arrived they were all either disheartened or in BillS case downright despondent.

I was beside myself, how was it that I was the optimistic upbeat person of the bunch. Now to be fair Trader Joe was supportive of the incident but did believe that there would be repercussions.

I tried to console the group, BillS was already writing the epithet for the season, but I wasn’t really getting anywhere. By the time I had to leave I wanted to contact the local suicide hotline and tell them to be on the look out. They all left down and depressed and I was ready to go home and write Klingon Opera’s about the night that Roy Hibberts testicles actually dropped.

Since it didn’t work on them let me bring it here.

Roy Hibbert & I ride together!

Eff the league.

If it wasn’t for the fact that I don’t want to lose him for the Clippers game I would say that a one game suspension for Roy Hibbert will do nothing but raise his street cred as the kids would say.

Golden State was getting pummeled; in fact I’ll go ahead and say it. Take away Curry’s sweet sweet shot and this would have been another beat down of Biblical proportions and there was nothing they could do about it.

Now being competitors they didn’t like the thumping they were taking and decided that the only retort to our physical domination, since the referee crew were not going to fall for their flopping, was to be physical in return.

They don’t have the horses to be physical and therefore when push came to shove they actually decided to push & shove. Fair enough, their men & I respect that.

David Lee decided to take umbrage with Roy’s bumping him off of the box, good for him. Stand up for yourself & I’m sure Mark Jackson appreciates your effort.

BTW, kudos to Mark Jackson for changing the culture of that team. They really do play defense now and to go along with the shooting touch from their back court they will have a few good years ahead of them.

Anyway back to Roy & Lee. Once Lee decided to give Roy a two arm shove Roy in the blink of an eye gave him one back. First and foremost I didn’t think Roy had it in him, normally this will evoke a “hey” response from Roy. But for whatever reason tonight he decided that he had taken enough.

Lee bumped back and the melee was on.

The next thing I see is Roy shoving a Warriors player over, it ends up being Curry but I couldn’t tell that at the time, and all I want to do is stand up and yell Qapla!!!!!

Then there was some shoving and running about and then David West, as Hicks said I described it, cleared out the section as though he were Sauron knocking soldiers around with his Mace.

All in all I was having a good time. People lets not forget who one of my favorite Pacers is, a knock down drag out fight is just part of a nights work back in the day.

Look nobody did anything dirty here, heck I’m not even mad at the Warriors and in fact I really respect what Lee said after the game about everybody was playing hard and it was just all left on the court.

This was nothing; this wouldn’t have even been news at all if it wasn’t for the ghost of idiots past. By idiots I mean the members of the team who gave us the bad image.

I know several of you guys are ready to jump off of a bridge or something because of the fear of the image of the brawl and how people will never want to come to our games or whatever.

Let me talk you off of the ledge.

Let us all remember one thing; the local fans supported the team lock, stock and Stephen Jackson’s smoking barrel after the brawl. I know because I was one of the very few who was trying to say that our team was in the wrong that night. Believe me I was crucified for that belief.

But the locals came out and supported the next home game vs. the Magic like it was game 7 in the playoffs.

The fan base did not turn on the team because of the brawl, in fact we as a city and area whether we like to admit it out loud or not like a good scuffle. Now I have no problem admitting it but people of higher caliber (read that as almost anybody) probably would.

The locals turned on the team for episode after episode of legal miscues, off court issues, injuries and then when Artest demanded the trade it all but collapsed.

Here is why that won’t happen this time.

First these aren’t the same group of players. There is no history of bad behavior, there is nobody that has been labeled a malcontent and there hasn’t been a single police report filed.

In fact these guys are either perceived as dull or good guys. That other group had already even before the brawl had the fan base turn against them some. Jackson was already getting some boo’s from the home crowd in his short tenure due to him cursing at Rick when he was taken out of a game, Tinsley was already running thin with people because of his inability to stay on the floor and yes there were even some people who took issue with Artest.

None of that his here this time.

Oh sure somebody is going to say that the locals don’t care they are just looking for an excuse, etc.

Let’s get a grip for a min. The people who are going to say that were going to say that no matter what. They didn’t buy Pacers tickets in the past, they don’t buy them at present and they will not buy Pacers tickets in the future.

The local news media will not cover this the same way, again different cast of characters.

This will blow over and IMO it will endear Roy and West and others to the fans that were there tonight and watched the game. They saw nobody did anything crazy and they saw that just like with Danny the other night this team is a unit and will be there for one another.

Hell I couldn’t be more proud of the Pacers than I am right now.

In fact look at us we’ve spent this entire time talking about this and have kind of overlooked the big picture.
WE WON!!!!!!

Let’s do some grades.

David West: A++

S olomon
H ercules
A tlas
Z eus
A chilles
M ercury

Paul George: A

He is now averaging 10.5 ppg against the Warriors this season. Actually kind of started out rough but when he kicked it on, well there was just nothing they could do to stop him.

Roy Hibbert: A++

He was having a very good game on the floor before he ascended Mount Olympus and attained Godhood. Don’t be ashamed Roy, hold your head high and don’t take crap from anyone. I’m not advocating dirty play or even being overly physical but don’t back down.

George Hill: A

He decided to play Curry in a first half game of H-O-R-S-E matching him shot for shot in the second quarter, but then George has other team mates who can do something so in the second half he did the smart thing and rode the horse that is David West to victory. BTW, Curry’s shot making had nothing to do with bad defense by Hill. Dude was just hitting crap with a lightning fast release. George had great defense and controlled the ball very well.

Lance Stephenson: B

Just didn’t have the best night in the world from the field but still contributed to the win and I am certain he had something to do with the increase in chippiness as the game went on.

Tyler Hansbrough: C-

Ugh, whatever happened to his face up 15’ jump shot? Am I dreaming or at one point in time a couple of years ago didn’t he hit that shot on occasion? C- is really kind of generous but he did play some really good defense on a couple of possession.

Danny Granger: C

Lord this is going to be rough to watch. You can see he still knows how to get to where he wants to go and he still can get there. Converting a shot though? Well that just hasn’t happened yet. He still does good things on the floor and I was really surprised tonight to see how much off the ball movement he was doing on offense. Clearly they were trying to drag other players off of West and Paul by running Danny towards the basket in an effort to open up the shot for them. Defense was decent tonight but man is that shot putrid.

Ian Mahinmi: C

I’m not sure why I wasn’t more happy with him than I was but it just seemed that the old butter fingers seemed to be in effect again tonight and honestly I didn’t think he did all that good with staying with his man. Still though it’s nice to have a legitimate 7’ player coming off of the bench & hey we may need him to be ready to start on Thursday.

D.J. Augustine: C-

To quote Jim O’Brien, “irrelevant”.

Orlando Johnson: D

Certainly not the night he had vs. the Pistons.

My God people we are striding he world like a colossus and I won’t hear anything about bad times. We are tearing through teams like Godzilla through Tokyo and these aren’t bottom feeder teams.

Get up, rejoice, this is what we sat through 4 soul sucking years of Satan for. This is the payoff, well at least until we hang that banner next fall.

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kester99
02-27-2013, 04:48 AM
Peck. I just have to take issue with you. When I was up there for a couple of preseason games, I thought the drums in the hall were really cool old school.

Everything else you said works for me.

Peck
02-27-2013, 05:01 AM
Okay this is too good to pass up.

Here is the opening paragraph to the Oakland Tribune's write up on tonight's game.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/warriors/ci_22675299/scuffle-punctuates-warriors-loss-pacers

INDIANAPOLIS -- The Warriors had their three-game winning streak snapped, their feelings hurt and their resolve tested by the Indiana Pacers.

My only reply to that is this....

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rexnom
02-27-2013, 05:19 AM
It just hurts that we could potentially lose a game vis-a-vis the Knicks because of this--our guys and their guys might get suspended at least one game and the Warriors play the Knicks next.

It's clear that Roy has a little bit more of a fire in his belly now but, this incident was just a sign of this, not a cause. Not having it would, all else equal, be better than having it.

The way I see it, it's a bit unfortunate but, as we tend to do this year, we'll persevere and move on. We signed Ian for exactly these types of contingencies.

rexnom
02-27-2013, 05:21 AM
That being said, this is my favorite quote of the year:


Seriously, I didn't even feel him. He just ran up on me. I don't know. It's between me and David Lee, and (Curry) wants to get involved. ... I don't want to start anything with someone that's smaller than me. If I have somebody my size, we'll talk it out like men. ... I probably did toss the little guy to the side.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/warriors/ci_22675299/scuffle-punctuates-warriors-loss-pacers

15th parallel
02-27-2013, 05:30 AM
I don't think of this as bad as some would. No heavy punching involved, no fan altercation involved, no riot ensued after the scuffle, and the game actually ended peacefully after that. The possible Hibbert suspension (and West also) is the only bad thing I can see happening from here. It's a game well played by both squads, and the Pacers are just rolling right now. Double-digit margin of wins since the ASB, now that's what I'm talking about! Hopefully, Danny can get into the mix as soon as possible and make this team the best in the East come playoff time.

Anyway, for as long as it's just one game (suspension I mean), it won't hurt the team as much. We have our backups there to do the job that those 2 might miss, and history shows that our backups play well with the other starting guys. I still expect a win over the Clippers regardless of what happens with Hibbert and West.

Speed
02-27-2013, 07:07 AM
Thanks Peck I agree with every word and came here after the game and had no idea that there would be such a dire response. This little tickle fight changes nothing, suspensions or not. This is strong willed mentally tough team that won't back down.

DaveP63
02-27-2013, 07:20 AM
That being said, this is my favorite quote of the year:



http://www.insidebayarea.com/warriors/ci_22675299/scuffle-punctuates-warriors-loss-pacers


Yes. Yes he did. Like a rag doll.

Leroy Staley
02-27-2013, 07:24 AM
Sorry, screwed up trying to post an image. I was initially concerned, but the public reaction seems benign. Kravitz article helps, as does the impeccable character of the team.

Roaming Gnome
02-27-2013, 07:44 AM
When I walked out of the arena bowl and seen Peck & Hicks talking, my face was so long I would've tripped over my bottom lip thinking Roy lost his friggin mind. Discussing it didn't help neither me or the Mrs. It wasn't until I got home and seen the video that I changed my mind and mood. Roy was completely justified in his actions... If it was just Lee and Hibbs with no intervention from the pip squeak brigade, this is just a typical NBA dust-up with double techs assessed. Roy didn't ask Curry to bum rush him... twice and he sure didn't ask to be shoved from behind by Klay Thompson & Jarret Jack.

I guess I was worried more about the franchise revisiting the court of public opinion with the local media presenting the "facts". However, the local media outlets and especially the one that I work for has decided to treat this "scrum" like the fart in the wind that it is. It'll suck probably losing one maybe two of our guys for Thursday, but I'll take that knowing my man's balls finally dropped for all of us to see!

Great win!

Leroy Staley
02-27-2013, 08:06 AM
Yes, and if suspensions are forthcoming, then Vogel will invoke some sort of "us against the world" or "3 games in 3 days" motivational tactic that just brings the team together even more and we win the damn game! Worse will be if Curry is suspended for the Knicks. He deserves to be, but it hurts us in the long run, because they are a good team that could beat the Knicks.

I can't seem to post pictures because I am apparently too stupid, but I was trying to post two "we ride together" pics. I love the juxtaposition of the Granger first bucket picture, where the team is just exuberant and greets him on the sidelines, vs. the picture of the 5 guys walking off the court after this latest "brawl." The Warriors are walking back to the bench as individuals, while the Pacers starting 5 looks like they are ready to storm a castle. This TEAM is just fun to watch.

Look, they play good, Indiana basketball. They share the rock and play with all-out effort on D. They are high character, articulate guys that work hard to contribute to the community, while working equally hard on their craft. When Vogel said smashmouth, he meant SMASHMOUTH. This fight is a non-issue, because the team won't let it be a lingering issue. Only disappointing thing for me is that Larry isn't officially part of the team to receive the credit and enjoy the ride.

I don't know if they will beat the heat or not, but they will play them, and they will give them a run for their money. The fans will come, and I am going to enjoy the ride.

I've been a lurker daily since the exodus from RATS, and frankly don't like posting that much. But I like this board very much because of the excellent moderation and supremely gifted and balanced writers (though it would help if Count55 would quit distracting himself on other sites and if Putnam would return, because I miss reading their stuff).

As someone wrote earlier, this is the payoff for the years of he!!. I am ready to enjoy the ride, win or lose.

Now, how do we pay to keep David West?

able
02-27-2013, 09:16 AM
I need to correct you on one little thing though; it WAS the NBA international game, live in 81 countries around the world (NBA TV INTERNATIONAL)

I personally like that, but who knows what Herrn Sternn thinks of it.

mitchbr
02-27-2013, 09:25 AM
Sad to see how soft the NBA's gotten. Couple big guys start to get into it and people think a war broke out. The officials only escalated it by sprinting in whistles blowing and shoving. Then Curry goes at Roy -- big mistake -- and Thompson and Jack (who I used to love as a Pacer) decide to send the show into the front row. This was common in the Miller/Ewing era. Now Roy will likely get suspended for defending himself and being BA. *sigh*

MagicRat
02-27-2013, 09:36 AM
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Unclebuck
02-27-2013, 09:40 AM
As much as I don't want to talk about it, I need to say one thing. I think the notion that the city did not turn on the team because of the brawl is simply wrong. I too was at the next game after the brawl and I remember the atmosphere and I remember how Pacers fans stayed behind the team during the aftermath. And I remember when it became a us vs them mentally for most pacers fans - us against the NBA.

But Peck, where you are wrong was the long term impact of the brawl and the extremely negative impact the brawl had on causal Pacers fans. I do not think you can under estimate how damaging the brawl was. I mean it is still damaging to this day. Sure the subsequent off the court activities and trade demands and losing really hurt the franchise, but the brawl was always a huge negative factor as well. Sort of like a silent killer. Virus that gets into the air that cannot ever be gotten rid of.

Having said that, last night's melee was really nothing and I don't expect any short term or long term impact.

Watching NBATV's post game coverage I did like that Greg Anthony and Chris Webber boith said the pacers are better than their record. Also they didn't seem to think the melee was a big deal

duke dynamite
02-27-2013, 09:43 AM
I guess I was worried more about the franchise revisiting the court of public opinion with the local media presenting the "facts". However, the local media outlets and especially the one that I work for has decided to treat this "scrum" like the fart in the wind that it is. It'll suck probably losing one maybe two of our guys for Thursday, but I'll take that knowing my man's balls finally dropped for all of us to see!

Great win!

My thoughts exactly. I tweeted that I didn't care about any pending suspensions to Roy, but I was more worried about the news overblowing the scene.

Of course when I got home from the game the sports part of the news was starting and they blew it off.

Deadspin and ESPN had their day with it, though. "Brawl"

Sollozzo
02-27-2013, 09:52 AM
As much as I don't want to talk about it, I need to say one thing. I think the notion that the city did npot turn on the team because of the brawl is simply wrong. I too was at the next game after the brawl and I remember the atmosphere and I remember how Pacers fans stayed behind the team during the aftermath. And I remember when it became a us vs them mentally for most pacers fans - us against the NBA.

But Peck, where you are wrong was the long term impact of the brawl and the extremely negative impact the brawl had on causal Pacers fans. I do not think you can under estimate how damaging the brawl was. I mean it is still damaging to this day. Sure the subsequent off the court activities and trade demands and losing really hurt the franchise, but the brawl was always a huge negative factor as well. Sort of like a silent killer. Virus that gets into the air that cannot ever be gotten rid of.

Having said that, last night's melee was really nothing and I don't expect any short term or long term impact.

Watching NBATV's post game coverage I did like that Greg Anthony and Chris Webber boith said the pacers are better than their record. Also they didn't seem to think the melee was a big deal

I agree that the brawl was devastating. Remember, we still had Reggie on the team after the brawl. That was enough to still get fans to come out, especially after he announced his retirement. IIRC, we had excellent attendance down the stretch that season because people wanted to get one last look at Reggie. Plus he was playing well and leading the team on an inspiring run with Dale Davis starting right beside him like the old days. Reggie moved the brawl to the back burner for a few months. I think the magnitude of the brawl really set in the next season. Reggie and Davis were gone, and Artest had the trade demand. That's when you could really tell that a new dark era of Pacer basketball had arrived. The brawl symbolically defined that era.

BPump33
02-27-2013, 10:00 AM
I was in line with Gnome's thinking. In person, I thought it looked awful. The replay definitely changed my mind and I'm proud of our guys for sticking together/standing up for themselves.

However, and this is the annoying part, I've already been asked by 4 people at work about the Pacers fight last night. I hate that we don't get the attention we deserve for how good we are, but when this happens everyone seems to know about it.

King Tuts Tomb
02-27-2013, 10:07 AM
I loved it. When you play that physical, guys are gonna hit back. That big shoulder bump between Lee and Hibbert looked like Godzilla and Mothra going at it.

BillS
02-27-2013, 10:08 AM
I can say that after seeing the local media reaction to this I am off the ledge. I am still very upset at the escalation of the description in ESPN's coverage in the early hours after the game, but I think that since no one else bit on the hype they scaled it back later. This is, however, a perfect example of a PTSD flashback - something happens that is much smaller scale but similar and it evokes the same intensity of reaction. I can only hope it only does this to the die-hards who watched the end of a precarious championship run that dark day in 2004.

I will also observe that I have never seen Peck so happy and excited after a game. Remember that we only moved back to Indy and started having STs in 2008 - prior to that all my interactions were via PD and its predecessor. Most games Peck is at most "animated", this one I thought he was going to rip off a Sam Young backflip and start doing the banana dance himself.

Everyone seems to have calmed down but it remains to be seen what Stern Measures (sic) will be taken to keep this kind of thing from getting out of hand. The damaged cynic in me expects suspensions for Roy and West, possibly multiple games, and nothing for Curry or Lee.

docpaul
02-27-2013, 10:09 AM
It's very frustrating to watch Hibbert find a way to shake off some of his nice guy softness, and for it to be perceived as a bad thing. My goodness, not only has the NBA game changed, but boy are we sensitive about "kerfluffles" here in this state. The brawl was eight years ago. The moment we start focusing on kicking a** on the court, and ignoring the casual fans... is the moment we start winning and bringing those casual fans back.

I suspect that Roy will perform better from here on out on the court. I bet that a one game suspension, in the big scheme of things, will be worth it simply to see him play with an edge, which is all he really needs at this point.

Unclebuck
02-27-2013, 10:20 AM
. The officials only escalated it by sprinting in whistles blowing and shoving.

careful there. One huge mistake the refs made in the real brawl was staying out of it. Something I will never forget or forgive. To clarify: I am not suggesting the refs should have gone up into the stands or break things up once Ron runs up into the stands, but the refs let tempers fester for a good minute or two prior to the cup being thrown - horrible job

In fact last night one of the refs was also a ref in the real brawl. Now it is the refs job to get into the middle of it and break it up.

Since86
02-27-2013, 10:21 AM
All I kept thinking during it all is "Now Roy can keep his big butt upright." He has horrible balance, until he gets into a scrum and then can absorb literally everything and everyone one shoved at him.

billbradley
02-27-2013, 10:22 AM
In person I thought it was bad, but I didn't care. Well, I was bummed about being shorthanded for the Clippers (I was sure we had a few 1 games suspensions coming) but I was still positive about it. I was right behind the basket so it looked a little scary, but it was great to see Roy stand up and not back down. I loved the team coming together with zero hesitation and I love that the Pacers get other teams so worked up that they can't take it anymore.

I just can't figure out how I could possibly love this team any more than I do.

TheDon
02-27-2013, 10:24 AM
at what point would we hear about suspensions if any are forthcoming?

Unclebuck
02-27-2013, 10:27 AM
at what point would we hear about suspensions if any are forthcoming?

That can vary. Soonest will be later this afternoon. There is a process, the refs submit their reports (which they do after every game anyway) the NBA reviews the film, they might interview some of the participants. There is no telling. Could be as late as tomorrow at 3:00 or 4:00.

edit - one thing I just double checked. The Warriors play tonight against the Knicks on ESPN. So they need to make a decision today and they would also make the decision about the Pacers today then also. They just always do it at the same time.

So I would guess around 4:00 we'll know something.

My best guess, Roy gets one game. There might be some fines, but nothing more

MagicRat
02-27-2013, 10:31 AM
careful there. One huge mistake the refs made in the real brawl was staying out of it. Something I will never forget or forgive. To clarify: I am not suggesting the refs should have gone up into the stands or break things up once Ron runs up into the stands, but the refs let tempers fester for a good minute or two prior to the cup being thrown - horrible job

In fact last night one of the refs was also a ref in the real brawl. Now it is the refs job to get into the middle of it and break it up.

I lost track of Ronnie, but I assume he was standing somewhere out of the way with his arms folded.....

Trader Joe
02-27-2013, 10:32 AM
Look Roy has been getting very physical D from folks all season, he gets bumped quite a bit and it throws off his hook shot a lot. I am glad to see him respond....finally.

We got some bad mother ****ers on our hands folks. And Paul George is that dude. FIX YO FACES

kester99
02-27-2013, 10:43 AM
All I kept thinking during it all is "Now Roy can keep his big butt upright." He has horrible balance, until he gets into a scrum and then can absorb literally everything and everyone one shoved at him.

He's not allowed to use his ninja midget throws during the game.

thewholefnshow31
02-27-2013, 10:44 AM
I am sure there will be some "fans" that use this as an excuse to say see they are thugs, but they were never really fans nor were they ever really coming back to the loving embrace of the Pacers.

I completely agree with your sentiment Peck. I loved seeing Hibbert standing up for himself and throwing that little nat Curry around. I too did not think he had it in him. Seeing Hibbert not take their crap and then West coming in there like Sauron with his mace was great. This team is not backing down from anyone and we are not going to take teams trying to bully because they are getting smacked around by us.

With that said when it comes to the NBA and handing out punishment I am bit of a cynic so I can see Hibbert and West getting multiple game suspensions and Curry/Lee getting nothing.

Ragnar
02-27-2013, 10:45 AM
I am worried that the league will over react but other than that I don't think it was a big deal. I do hope the Pacers come to Curry's defense if the league considers suspending him. I think he was trying to pull Hibbert away not start anything (and I want him to Kill the Knicks!)

If Hibbert gets one game it will be an over reaction but not something that will hurt us in the long run.

Unclebuck
02-27-2013, 10:45 AM
I lost track of Ronnie, but I assume he was standing somewhere out of the way with his arms folded.....

He was in '04, but not last night, he was trying to break it up

Kid Minneapolis
02-27-2013, 10:46 AM
I witnessed the original Brawl in the Palace.... last night was no brawl. I don't know what everyone is up in arms about. It was a bit of an escalated scuffle, but it was nowhere close to The Brawl. It went into the crowd just a little bit and only because Curry, Thompson, and Lee PUSHED Hibbert into them. All the players and coaches promptly cleaned it up. I don't see any lasting effects from this incident. Hibbert got a lil excited, but that's what he does. He didn't commit any grievous offenses. At most he sits out the next game, but even then I doubt it. Even if he did, we can win without him.

Trader Joe
02-27-2013, 10:48 AM
Kudos to the fans down by the court too for how they reacted. Kstat was in here the other day making a big show that Detroit fans and Indy fans aren't any different and while that may have been true at one point, I would say the two cities have since gone down separate paths. The Pacers fans last night handled themselves with aplomb and class. They are the unsung heroes of last night because that was the only way it could have gotten worse is if one of them had gone after Curry.

duke dynamite
02-27-2013, 10:54 AM
We can win against the Clips without Hibbert no doubt, but I am seriously thinking they might suspend West, too. We cannot win against good teams without West.

Trader Joe
02-27-2013, 10:55 AM
We can win against the Clips without Hibbert no doubt, but I am seriously thinking they might suspend West, too. We cannot win against good teams without West.

Give Chris Paul ye olde Paul George treatment and it might be enough to crap up their offense.

duke dynamite
02-27-2013, 11:02 AM
Give Chris Paul ye olde Paul George treatment and it might be enough to crap up their offense.
Maybe but CP3 is tough.

Why wouldn't you put Hill on Chris Paul?

naptownmenace
02-27-2013, 11:27 AM
That can vary. Soonest will be later this afternoon. There is a process, the refs submit their reports (which they do after every game anyway) the NBA reviews the film, they might interview some of the participants. There is no telling. Could be as late as tomorrow at 3:00 or 4:00.

edit - one thing I just double checked. The Warriors play tonight against the Knicks on ESPN. So they need to make a decision today and they would also make the decision about the Pacers today then also. They just always do it at the same time.

So I would guess around 4:00 we'll know something.

My best guess, Roy gets one game. There might be some fines, but nothing more

I think it would be an absolute joke if Roy get's suspended for this game when Kevin Garnett got a gentle slap on the wrist for clubbing Tyler Hansbrough.

This was nothing but a shoving match. Big whoop! The refs got it right. Technicals and an ejection for Roy. I don't think he'll get suspended.

Major Cold
02-27-2013, 11:33 AM
I think this is a good reminder to treat each game at face value. You don't play the game or respond to altercations thinking, "hey if I do this I could be suspended and get them suspended. This giving the third place team an advantage. " Or "hey i need to pu$$ out because 8 years ago there was an altercation that really hirt this franchise. "No punches were thrown. No one became a doormat. Roy handled himself perfectly. And we and the rest of the NBA need to quit looking at these guys through the lens of past tragedies and unrealistic expectations.

One game at a time

colts19
02-27-2013, 11:35 AM
Yes, and if suspensions are forthcoming, then Vogel will invoke some sort of "us against the world" or "3 games in 3 days" motivational tactic that just brings the team together even more and we win the damn game! Worse will be if Curry is suspended for the Knicks. He deserves to be, but it hurts us in the long run, because they are a good team that could beat the Knicks.

I can't seem to post pictures because I am apparently too stupid, but I was trying to post two "we ride together" pics. I love the juxtaposition of the Granger first bucket picture, where the team is just exuberant and greets him on the sidelines, vs. the picture of the 5 guys walking off the court after this latest "brawl." The Warriors are walking back to the bench as individuals, while the Pacers starting 5 looks like they are ready to storm a castle. This TEAM is just fun to watch.

.

Look, they play good, Indiana basketball. They share the rock and play with all-out effort on D. They are high character, articulate guys that work hard to contribute to the community, while working equally hard on their craft. When Vogel said smashmouth, he meant SMASHMOUTH. This fight is a non-issue, because the team won't let it be a lingering issue. Only disappointing thing for me is that Larry isn't officially part of the team to receive the credit and enjoy the ride.

I don't know if they will beat the heat or not, but they will play them, and they will give them a run for their money. The fans will come, and I am going to enjoy the ride.

I've been a lurker daily since the exodus from RATS, and frankly don't like posting that much. But I like this board very much because of the excellent moderation and supremely gifted and balanced writers (though it would help if Count55 would quit distracting himself on other sites and if Putnam would return, because I miss reading their stuff).

As someone wrote earlier, this is the payoff for the years of he!!. I am ready to enjoy the ride, win or lose.

Now, how do we pay to keep David West?

Just wondering are you the same Leroy Staley that played for ISU in the finals against Mich State

naptownmenace
02-27-2013, 11:36 AM
Maybe but CP3 is tough.

Why wouldn't you put Hill on Chris Paul?

Because Hill can slide over and guard Chauncey, and Stephenson can feast on Caron Butler.

IndyHoya
02-27-2013, 11:49 AM
Although it has nothing to do with what happened last night, Roy and Stefan Curry have sort of a history. Roy got whistled out big time in his NCAA tourney finale against Davidson. Stefan Curry had an all-world 2nd half and put GU out of the tournament. Due to the fouls, Hibbert only played 16 minutes. Vitale and Bilas called what happened "Goliath Bias".

Maybe the "Goliath Bias" will figure into whether Roy gets a suspension for last night's fracas. http://tinyurl.com/d8jmx5o

If Roy gets a suspension, I'm gonna be really pissed if Curry, given his role in it, gets nothing. IMHO that would be "Goliath Bias"

Justin Tyme
02-27-2013, 11:50 AM
[QUOTE=docpaul;1596576]


I bet that a one game suspension, in the big scheme of things, will be worth QUOTE]


$166,682 per game suspended. Not including any fines.

It will cost DWest $122,000 per game suspended.

cinotimz
02-27-2013, 11:55 AM
I was in line with Gnome's thinking. In person, I thought it looked awful. The replay definitely changed my mind and I'm proud of our guys for sticking together/standing up for themselves.

However, and this is the annoying part, I've already been asked by 4 people at work about the Pacers fight last night. I hate that we don't get the attention we deserve for how good we are, but when this happens everyone seems to know about it.

This is simply the world we live in. Bad news makes headlines...misery loves company. Anyone that is disappointed in what happened last night or in Roy or David etc just flat out doesnt get it and thats ok by me. Go away. We have desperately needed some backbone on this team and a bit of an enforcer image to step forward outside of David West if we are gonna truly epitomize this Smash Mouth basketball image we have grown so fond of. How many times have we almost been embarassed by how Roy just "takes it"? Finally he stood up for what he believed was something that was just too much. With his reputation and mild-mannered personality he not only gets a total pass and every benefit of the doubt, but huge kudos for showing the world that there is even a limit for him and how much he will let pass. Will he get suspended? Probably a token game so the NBA can save face and send the message that such wont be tolerated though he truly doesnt deserve such. You know what I hope? I hope they do come out a little severe in the punishments. It will only serve to strengthen this teams bond and resolve. And give fans an additional war cry, if even such is really needed. And I think that could come in the form of David West and/or Lance. We shall see. Danny comes back and now this. You can really see the groundwork being laid for this team really uniting even more than it already is. And the timing couldnt be much better as we enter the stretch run. Kudos Roy and others. Way to make us proud.

Justin Tyme
02-27-2013, 11:59 AM
What bothers me is that from now on the refs will clamp down on the Pacers physical defensive style of play which is why they are successful. I truly hope not, but I won't be surprised.

mitchbr
02-27-2013, 12:07 PM
careful there. One huge mistake the refs made in the real brawl was staying out of it. Something I will never forget or forgive.

True. IMO they overdid it last night. Sure the shoving was directed into that corner so they didn't have much in causing the scuffle to go near fans, but it looked as though they (Hibbert & Lee) were just gonna go at it for a few shoves and be done, then again I don't think I'll ever know what Steph was thinking. He dragged Roy that direction and everyone else followed.

owl
02-27-2013, 12:44 PM
When I walked out of the arena bowl and seen Peck & Hicks talking, my face was so long I would've tripped over my bottom lip thinking Roy lost his friggin mind. Discussing it didn't help neither me or the Mrs. It wasn't until I got home and seen the video that I changed my mind and mood. Roy was completely justified in his actions... If it was just Lee and Hibbs with no intervention from the pip squeak brigade, this is just a typical NBA dust-up with double techs assessed. Roy didn't ask Curry to bum rush him... twice and he sure didn't ask to be shoved from behind by Klay Thompson & Jarret Jack.

I guess I was worried more about the franchise revisiting the court of public opinion with the local media presenting the "facts". However, the local media outlets and especially the one that I work for has decided to treat this "scrum" like the fart in the wind that it is. It'll suck probably losing one maybe two of our guys for Thursday, but I'll take that knowing my man's balls finally dropped for all of us to see!

Great win!


I would have used the thanks button but it is not present so thanks for a summation of how I feel.
Three of the Warriors guards all got into pushing Roy. Jack,Thompson and his basketball and Curry.
Frankly I hope they all get belated technicals for escalating what was already over.

Trader Joe
02-27-2013, 12:54 PM
Paul's numbers during this 5 game stretch

19 PPG, 10 RPG, 6 APG 51% from the field 2SPG 1BPG

Super. Star.

rabid
02-27-2013, 01:04 PM
Can someone explain to me why they think Roy is going to be suspended, beyond some cynical "the league is going to clamp down" assumption? Seriously I have watched the replay over and over and for the life of me I can't even figure out where the second tech came from.


Maybe I just have homer glasses on but from what I saw Roy pushes David Lee (first tech), they bump shoulders, guys rush in, then Roy WALKS AWAY out of the meelee to the sideline. Curry comes at Roy once as Roy is walking away and Roy half-shoves, half-dodges him, then Curry comes straight at Roy a second time and Roy gives him a good shove out of the way. Roy's second shove was more emphatic, so maybe that's where the second tech came from (I don't agree, what the heck was he supposed to do, fall over?).


Other than shoving Curry out of the way for coming at him, Roy does NOTHING. He makes a point TWICE to completely avoid the shoving match between the other players, I mean he actually removes himself from the action entirely and walks away.


I just don't see how on earth this warrants a suspension for Roy unless the league decides they need to make an example out of someone, which I suppose is possible but by the letter of the law here I just don't see it.


Again, help me take off my homer glasses and tell me where I'm wrong.


BTW The game was AWESOME, I am not trying to overshadow this great win, but everyone here seems to be talking about the fight and potential aftermath and I am a little puzzled.

EDIT: My post basically made PD explode all over my computer when I tried to embed the video, here is the link http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8994420/golden-state-warriors-indiana-pacers-fight-spills-indianapolis-crowd

Sandman21
02-27-2013, 01:05 PM
Can someone explain to me why they think Roy is going to be suspended, beyond some cynical "the league is going to clamp down" assumption? Seriously I have watched the replay over and over and for the life of me I can't even figure out where the second tech came from.

Because it looked a HELL of a whole lot worse in person than it did on tv. From my view, it looked like Roy had flung multiple Warriors around like ragdolls, you couldn't see Curry acting a fool and trying to go after Roy again after the first time he got launched.

But I will say that I was proud of how the crowd adopted the old "Us Versus The World" attitude from the brawl year after Roy got tossed and no Warriors got the same treatment, and I think the team fed off that energy the rest of the way.

Trader Joe
02-27-2013, 01:05 PM
See it just din't look bad to me ever. Maybe it was where I was sitting, right at the free throw line of that end basically, but you could see it was mostly just shoving.

BPump33
02-27-2013, 01:07 PM
See it just din't look bad to me ever. Maybe it was where I was sitting, right at the free throw line of that end basically, but you could see it was mostly just shoving.

From the balcony, it looked awful. It literally looked like Roy was just tossing people. I was really, really relieved when I saw the replay.

rabid
02-27-2013, 01:18 PM
Because it looked a HELL of a whole lot worse in person than it did on tv. From my view, it looked like Roy had flung multiple Warriors around like ragdolls, you couldn't see Curry acting a fool and trying to go after Roy again after the first time he got launched.

Well OK, I get what you're saying, but any suspensions are going to be based on review of the video, so that's kind of irrelevant. And the comments about Roy getting suspended are on here the following day, with the benefit of hindsight, after watching the video.

EDIT: On TV it didn't look that bad, just a scuffle. Again I ask, specifically, what did Roy do that warrants a suspension

Trader Joe
02-27-2013, 01:21 PM
Loving some of the folks on the radio right now lol.


MIAMI BEST WATCH OUT WHEN THEY HIT THAT WALL THAT IS DWEST AND ROY HIBBERT CAUSE IT'S GON' BE ON MAN

dohman
02-27-2013, 01:21 PM
Espn radio here in Dallas was laughing at people calling it a brawl. They said teams from the late 80s and 90s would consider that defense. You have 2 Big strong guys hitting each other all game long, tempers fly and its a part of sports. We cannot expect grown men with flowing testosterone not to get pissed off.

They also were really hyping the pacers. They were asking if miami was pretty much guaranteed a championship since they have won 12 straight. It was simply put by several that they have to get through the pacers first who are their worst possible match up. Big, physical, and can rebound the ball.

BPump33
02-27-2013, 01:22 PM
Loving some of the folks on the radio right now lol.


MIAMI BEST WATCH OUT WHEN THEY HIT THAT WALL THAT IS DWEST AND ROY HIBBERT CAUSE IT'S GON' BE ON MAN

Did you hear the "conspiracy theory guy?" What the hell was that?

Trader Joe
02-27-2013, 01:22 PM
Did you hear the "conspiracy theory guy?" What the hell was that?

Didn't hear that guy, what was he talking about.

BPump33
02-27-2013, 01:23 PM
Didn't hear that guy, what was he talking about.

He called in and said, "I'm not a conspiracy theory guy, but the NBA will never let the Pacers beat LeBron." Grady about lost it, telling him that's exactly what a conspiracy theory is. It also helped that the guy sounded drunk as hell at 11 a.m.

Trader Joe
02-27-2013, 01:25 PM
He called in and said, "I'm not a conspiracy theory guy, but the NBA will never let the Pacers beat LeBron." Grady about lost it, telling him that's exactly what a conspiracy theory is. It also helped that the guy sounded drunk as hell at 11 a.m.

lol

Best guy so far was crazy IU fan saying, I don't see this team beating ohio state at home and basically declaring the season over because of the Minny game.

BPump33
02-27-2013, 01:26 PM
lol

Best guy so far was crazy IU fan saying, I don't see this team beating ohio state at home and basically declaring the season over because of the Minny game.

I wonder if he used his Jump To Conclusions Mat for that.

rabid
02-27-2013, 01:27 PM
What are you guys listening to? I wanna tune in here out West...

EDIT: Ah Grady on the FAN, cool

Trader Joe
02-27-2013, 01:28 PM
1070thefan.com

Sandman21
02-27-2013, 01:29 PM
1070thefan.com They got a live stream on their site.

Sandman21
02-27-2013, 01:29 PM
Did you hear the "conspiracy theory guy?" What the hell was that?

Radio caller GOLD is what it was.

Leroy Staley
02-27-2013, 01:36 PM
You play as hard as this team, and stuff like this will happen. Shocking that it hasn't happened earlier, which is a testimony to our guys and their character. But we are getting under guys' skin, and are frankly just beating up the kids on the other teams. Men vs. boys, and they are getting mad!

PacersHomer
02-27-2013, 01:36 PM
In case anyone was curious, ESPN called it a "scrum", which is a good definition in the *******ized version of the word that's used in non-rugby sports.

EDIT: Apparently b*stard is censored so now I can't post my essay comparing George Hill to Jon Snow.

Leroy Staley
02-27-2013, 02:12 PM
Just wondering are you the same Leroy Staley that played for ISU in the finals against Mich State

No, just a real fan of that team, and I chose it as an obscure reference that I thought few would understand. I hope I am not disrespecting him by using his name, because I was a fan. I had season tickets at age 9, 10, and 11 during the Bird/ISU years, and it solidified my interest in basketball. Leroy Staley was a big part of that, as were Nicks, Gilbert, Heaton, Reed, Miley, and one other guy.

CableKC
02-27-2013, 02:22 PM
Just started reading this....and Peck, you get a Thanks just for incorporating Klingon, DC and LOTR references into your Odd Thoughts.

spazzxb
02-27-2013, 02:38 PM
Just started reading this....and Peck, you get a Thanks just for incorporating Klingon, DC and LOTR references into your Odd Thoughts.

What you never read a an odd thoughts when Peck was excited before:-).

Sent from my HTC6435LVW using Tapatalk 2

WhoLovesYaBaby?
02-27-2013, 02:38 PM
PMSESPN is saying this is no big deal. I agree with them that there will be one or two game suspensions for a couple of players. Then, life will go on.

The long faces from those fans the OP mentioned is not surprising. Some of them are the same old doomsayers who are seldom satisfied in the long run. Some of them are homers who are disappointed the team isn't comprised soley of players with IND ties. They wquill get over it when Roy comes back and plays like he has been.

Tell ya what, if Roy gets more than two games lost, I will be PO'd at the league. This league give Dummy Artest pass after pass because he plays for LAL. They need to be even handed here.

Trader Joe
02-27-2013, 02:40 PM
PMSESPN is saying this is no big deal. I agree with them that there will be one or two game suspensions for a couple of players. Then, life will go on.

The long faces from those fans the OP mentioned is not surprising. Some of them are the same old doomsayers who are seldom satisfied in the long run. Some of them are homers who are disappointed the team isn't comprised soley of players with IND ties. They wquill get over it when Roy comes back and plays like he has been.

Tell ya what, if Roy gets more than two games lost, I will be PO'd at the league. This league give Dummy Artest pass after pass because he plays for LAL. They need to be even handed here.

Who are you talking about?

BillS
02-27-2013, 02:40 PM
The long faces from those fans the OP mentioned is not surprising. Some of them are the same old doomsayers who are seldom satisfied in the long run. Some of them are homers who are disappointed the team isn't comprised soley of players with IND ties. They wquill get over it when Roy comes back and plays like he has been.

:jawdrop:

Alllllllllll righty, then.

WhoLovesYaBaby?
02-27-2013, 02:43 PM
You play as hard as this team, and stuff like this will happen. Shocking that it hasn't happened earlier, which is a testimony to our guys and their character. But we are getting under guys' skin, and are frankly just beating up the kids on the other teams. Men vs. boys, and they are getting mad!

True. I give Lee some credit. He was pushing back and trying to play physical. Something he doesn't do much. Back in "the day", this was common place. They would give techs and hand out a few fines. Unless punches were thrown, not much was made of it.

Wait until IND starts wiping up the floor in the playoffs. When they start knocking around the big money teams, the crying at PMSESPN and around the league will be ear splitting.

WhoLovesYaBaby?
02-27-2013, 02:45 PM
:jawdrop:

Alllllllllll righty, then.
You're little picture there says, let's be frank. It's just an opinion. No harm meant.

BillS
02-27-2013, 02:53 PM
You're little picture there says, let's be frank. It's just an opinion. No harm meant.

Just don't see a single person mentioned by Peck that would qualify on either of those counts.

Trader Joe
02-27-2013, 02:55 PM
You're little picture there says, let's be frank. It's just an opinion. No harm meant.

Who were you talking about Bill, Hicks, Seth, Gnome, Me? Those were the 5 folks mentioned by Peck so how about we just be honest about which one you are trying to call out.

RWB
02-27-2013, 03:02 PM
Just don't see a single person mentioned by Peck that would qualify on either of those counts.

:D Wow I didn't know that about you. Strange I remember someone looking just like you at the draft party going "let us pray Hayward goes to the Jazz" and the group going thank goodness. You just can't break those Indiana ties there BillS.

Strummer
02-27-2013, 03:18 PM
If the NBA leaves it up to me, there won't be any Pacers suspended.

Roy got attacked four times and only drew two Ts. That shows admirable restraint. He got more Ts than anyone else not because he was the aggressor but because of the number of people attacking him. That's not in his control or his fault.

If anyone gets suspended it should be the Warriors players that escalated the situation by coming after Roy.

BPump33
02-27-2013, 03:22 PM
Mike Wells ‏@MikeWellsNBA
Roy Hibbert said his mom wasn't happy that he got into an altercation Tuesday. He was also concerned that there was a little fan nearby.

Eric Yutzy ‏@EricYutzy
Hibbert looked video & was very concerned for the young fans sitting courtside. "We love our fans. Don't want to scare them away."

Trader Joe
02-27-2013, 03:23 PM
ROY DENZIL HIBBERT

PacersHomer
02-27-2013, 03:27 PM
If the NBA leaves it up to me, there won't be any Pacers suspended.

Roy got attacked four times and only drew two Ts. That shows admirable restraint. He got more Ts than anyone else not because he was the aggressor but because of the number of people attacking him. That's not in his control or his fault.

If anyone gets suspended it should be the Warriors players that escalated the situation by coming after Roy.

If the NBA leaves it up to me, LeBron and Wade get suspended for the playoffs for the altercation.

Marlin
02-27-2013, 03:28 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="it"><p>Hibbert said he gave his side of the story to the NBA this AM..His mom told him he should've just walked away. Roy also apologized to fans.</p>&mdash; Scott Agness (@ScottAgness) <a href="https://twitter.com/ScottAgness/status/306845917338812416">27 febbraio 2013</a></blockquote>
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Strummer
02-27-2013, 03:29 PM
If the NBA leaves it up to me, LeBron and Wade get suspended for the playoffs for the altercation.

That's why the NBA won't give you a say! ;)

CableKC
02-27-2013, 03:40 PM
Am I the only one that heard this yesterday night and all you could do is :rolleyes: and then flashback to what and where you were when you heard/saw the Pistons/Pacers brawl?

I know that I am overreacting to what happened.....but listening to the game on the radio....I just :rolleyes: and shook my head.

Since86
02-27-2013, 03:43 PM
I get the whole "he needs to walk away" but how can that actually happen when you're on a basketball court? Hibbert was removed from the situation, until Curry decided he was gonna grab him. Unless you expect Roy to run away to the bench then there's not much else he can do.

Cousy47
02-27-2013, 03:46 PM
JMHO, Roy Hibbert is a well mannered and well taught/raised young man who has every reason to be admired. It will be a travesty if he is suspended and no GSW players are. That being said, the real inequity of the NBA's "punishment" will probably be Warriors players out against the Knicks and Pacer players out against the Clippers. This will, in effect, double punish the Pacers and the Warriors by costing them a loss and gaining their opposition a win. IMO, if there are to be sanctions against teams for losing control, it should be assessed when the 2 teams play each other again. This Crap of punishing the innocent and rewarding the teams who had nothing to do with the altercation is just unfair and stupid! Fine the players for the game in which they were punished and move along.

BobbyMac
02-27-2013, 03:57 PM
The last 3-4 games have been a little chippy. Frankly I believe my lovely wife is right. These teams are not used to losing to the Pacers and don't like the fact that we are playing GOOD, physical basketball.

Sandman21
02-27-2013, 03:57 PM
The long faces from those fans the OP mentioned is not surprising. Some of them are the same old doomsayers who are seldom satisfied in the long run. Some of them are homers who are disappointed the team isn't comprised soley of players with IND ties. They wquill get over it when Roy comes back and plays like he has been.

Were you at the game last night? I totally understand why some people would have had long faces, and it's not because they are "doomsayers who are rarely satisfied in the long run".

colts19
02-27-2013, 04:12 PM
No, just a real fan of that team, and I chose it as an obscure reference that I thought few would understand. I hope I am not disrespecting him by using his name, because I was a fan. I had season tickets at age 9, 10, and 11 during the Bird/ISU years, and it solidified my interest in basketball. Leroy Staley was a big part of that, as were Nicks, Gilbert, Heaton, Reed, Miley, and one other guy.
I had season tickets also and went to every game during the bird years.

PacersHomer
02-27-2013, 04:13 PM
The last 3-4 games have been a little chippy. Frankly I believe my lovely wife is right. These teams are not used to losing to the Pacers and don't like the fact that we are playing GOOD, physical basketball.

Well we have the gall to play some defense and some teams don't take too kindly to that.

DrFife
02-27-2013, 04:16 PM
... and then David West, as Hicks said I described it, cleared out the section as though he were Sauron knocking soldiers around with his Mace.

That simile just gave Saruman a woody.

Hicks
02-27-2013, 04:21 PM
:-o

Trader Joe
02-27-2013, 05:25 PM
430 PM EST and not a peep from on high yet. I guess that means the Warriors are safe for sure. Hope it is a good sign for us as well.

Bball
02-27-2013, 05:26 PM
I haven't read thru the thread yet but I have to correct a point (assuming I read this correctly)... Nobody was booing Sjax prior to the brawl. He'd only been a Pacer for a few games at that point (had we even played 10 games yet? ...was it even 5 games?). We hardly knew him as a Pacer and were winning... Everybody was still in the honeymoon period from players to coaches to fans.

And a question... Was Curry trying to have at it with Roy or was he just trying to hold Roy back? I thought it looked like he was just trying to push and keep Roy back and Roy would have none of it. Probably not a Warrior's place to be holding a Pacer back but I didn't really come away from it thinking Curry was picking a fight with Hibbert.

Trader Joe
02-27-2013, 05:29 PM
Crap as soon as I speak, word from on high is that Mr. Lee is out tonight for the Dubs. Roy is almost certainly out tomorrow then.

TheDon
02-27-2013, 05:36 PM
Crap as soon as I speak, word from on high is that Mr. Lee is out tonight for the Dubs. Roy is almost certainly out tomorrow then.

did it say he was suspended though? cause lee said yesterday after the game that "my shoulder was so bruised that I doubt i'll be able to play wednesday night."

Trader Joe
02-27-2013, 05:36 PM
Yeah sorry thought that was clear by me saying word from on high.

Eleazar
02-27-2013, 05:37 PM
I haven't read thru the thread yet but I have to correct a point (assuming I read this correctly)... Nobody was booing Sjax prior to the brawl. He'd only been a Pacer for a few games at that point (had we even played 10 games yet? ...was it even 5 games?). We hardly knew him as a Pacer and were winning... Everybody was still in the honeymoon period from players to coaches to fans.

And a question... Was Curry trying to have at it with Roy or was he just trying to hold Roy back? I thought it looked like he was just trying to push and keep Roy back and Roy would have none of it. Probably not a Warrior's place to be holding a Pacer back but I didn't really come away from it thinking Curry was picking a fight with Hibbert.

At first I think he was just trying to remove push Hibbert away, but the second time he was most defiantly trying to tackle Roy.

TheDon
02-27-2013, 05:39 PM
Yeah sorry thought that was clear by me saying word from on high.

I figured, but just wanted to be sure that that was the case. where did you see that though? cause there hasn't been a peep on espn that I see anyways.

Trader Joe
02-27-2013, 05:40 PM
Twitter from Sam Amick

RWB
02-27-2013, 05:42 PM
Twitter from Sam Amick

Yep, Lee's agent is already saying they'll appeal the suspension.

Trader Joe
02-27-2013, 05:45 PM
Roy now too.

TheDon
02-27-2013, 05:46 PM
Twitter from Sam Amick

yep and just posted that hibbert got one too....****

Sandman21
02-27-2013, 05:46 PM
Scott Agness ‏@ScottAgness

Roy Hibbert and David Lee have each been suspended one game. Curry, Thompson and Stepenson have each been fines $35K for escalating things.

Are you ****ing kidding me? Curry blows the entire thing up and doesn't even sit!?

ARE YOU ******** ME?

Trader Joe
02-27-2013, 05:47 PM
Lance, Stephanie, and Klaymation all getting 35k fines.

The BAMF rides again????

TheDon
02-27-2013, 05:47 PM
Yep, Lee's agent is already saying they'll appeal the suspension.

good luck with that he's got roughly two hours to make his case

Trader Joe
02-27-2013, 05:47 PM
Scott Agness ‏@ScottAgness

Roy Hibbert and David Lee have each been suspended one game. Curry, Thompson and Stepenson have each been fines $35K for escalating things.

Are you ****ing kidding me? Curry blows the entire thing up and doesn't even sit!?

ARE YOU ******** ME?


Lee got the Warrior suspension. I'm ok with it. Warriors actually got more punishment.

So much for that anti Pacers bias.

RWB
02-27-2013, 05:49 PM
Well we'll see how Pendy handles things I guess.

tadscout
02-27-2013, 05:50 PM
Lee got the Warrior suspension. I'm ok with it. Warriors actually got more punishment.

So much for that anti Pacers bias.

The whole situation would have only been shoves between Lee and Hibbert though if Curry hadn't rushed at Hibbert...

Sandman21
02-27-2013, 05:51 PM
good luck with that he's got roughly two hours to make his case

He's appealing so he can get his money back, and he SHOULD! There's no reason Curry should be playing tonight when he is the reason this blew up the way it did!

Sookie
02-27-2013, 06:15 PM
Sucks for Lance too. He didn't play close to the role that Curry played, yet he's fined the same amount..and 35K certainly hurts him more.

Nuntius
02-27-2013, 06:18 PM
Lance should ask one of the vets to chip in.

BillS
02-27-2013, 06:22 PM
Lee got the Warrior suspension. I'm ok with it. Warriors actually got more punishment.

So much for that anti Pacers bias.

Not quite. $35K to Lance ($870K per year) is a LOT more than $35K to Curry or Thompson ($3.9M and $2.2M). So I think Lance got slammed pretty hard.

That said, it does lower the defcon level in re: the league.

At least until we hear about Stern reviewing the decision and changing it on a 1-0 vote...

Sandman21
02-27-2013, 06:57 PM
Lance will be fine.

Mike Wells ‏@MikeWellsNBA

Hibbert told The Indy Star that he's going to pay Lance Stephenson's $35K fine for being a good teammate and having his back.
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owl
02-27-2013, 09:57 PM
Lance will be fine.

Mike Wells ‏@MikeWellsNBA

Hibbert told The Indy Star that he's going to pay Lance Stephenson's $35K fine for being a good teammate and having his back.
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I like Roy. Roy knows how much that hurts Lance.

Rogco
02-27-2013, 10:38 PM
I like Roy. Roy knows how much that hurts Lance.

Love this move by Roy. Really classy, shows a team chemistry, and to me, it shows the development of Lance, not as a player, but as someone who has become respected and part of the team.

McKeyFan
02-27-2013, 10:42 PM
Why can't Roy treat the rim like it's Steph Curry when he needs to dunk?