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How long will Legends 3 Year Plan allow this team to compete for a Title

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    How long will Legends 3 Year Plan allow this team to compete for a Title

    I like many pacer fans am enjoying the teams current success. However, I would like to discuss the outlook for this team long term. Going farther than 5 years is out is probably a bad idea. But basically, how good can this team be and for how long?
    Many here and elsewhere were very critical of the 3 year plan that Larry Legend had in place. It’s the main reason I created a post right after Obrien had been fired with a declaration that Larry Legend would win Executive of the Year (had no idea it would be so soon). Many were down on re-signing Obrien, which I don’t understand since no one worthy of replacing Obrien would have been willing to coach the team the offseason Obrien was extended. I boldly claimed that Legend’s 3 year plan would net this team an average of 50 wins over 5 seasons. At the time many on here thought I had lost my mind.

    Unlike many of the so-called experts who were very critical of Larry Legend here and elsewhere; I on the other hand humbly took a look at the long term and what Larry Legend was building.
    We got lucky to some degree acquiring David “BAMF” West. I don’t think that would have been possible without Legend in the FO.

    2 seasons ago after the firing of Obrien I posted that Legend would win EXEC of the YEAR (complete) and that his 3 year plan would lead to an average of 50 wins over 5 seasons (TBD).
    Regardless of the EXEC of the YEAR Award which I bet Legend doesn’t really care two hoots about. Can this team win 50 games on average for the next 5 seasons? Many on here (would have to pull post) said I had lost my mind. And that it was nearly impossible for a team to complete such a difficult task. In fact, very few teams ever achieve this mark. The Spurs I believe are one, and I know the 94-03 Indiana Pacers as well averaged 50 wins for over 5+ seasons.

    Can this current Pacers team do the same.? And if so, how long can this team compete. PACERNATION I do not believe this team has peaked. I know salarly structure etc may become an issue. But the teams’ core intact should give this Franchise the opportunity for an NBA CHAMPIONSHIP.
    With that said: How long can this team compete for a Title.

    I believe these players are apart of the core and going nowhere:

    George Hill
    Paul George
    Roy Hibbert
    David West – He will be re-signed
    Iain Mahinmi – reasonable 4 year contract for a backup PF/C

    These players I hope to see become apart of the core:

    Danny Granger – not sure about the knee but it will affect his market value
    Lance Stephenson – we need to re-sign this kid to a deal comparable to George Hill at some point. Not anytime soon, he still has maturity issues but if he continues to improve he is going to become a very good starter in this league.

    These 7 players are the core (* Danny)
    Granted Paul George will get paid but he is also blossoming into a player whose # same day may be retired at the Fieldhouse.

    Key Role players:
    Tyler Hansbrough – I believe every championship caliber team should have a Tyler Hansbrough
    Orlando “Pulp” Johnson – cant help but like this kid, and he looks like a legit player off the bench. Great 2nd round pick.
    Plumlee – who knows.

    Not part of the core:
    Augustin, Greene, Pendergraph (though he is a nice 12th man off the bench).

    Point is:
    I realize Miami is the team favored in the East and will continue to be for some time. However, Paul George and Hibbert still have room to improve. West is well a … BAMF with likely 3-4 very solid seasons still remaining. Hill is solid.

    I have a strong conviction that a new era of Pacers Basketball is about to begin that will potentially rival the dominance of the 94-03 Indiana Pacers.

    I would like to add I believe Frank Vogel is going to become one helluva a coach for this team and is already making his mark in the league.

    The 3 year plan Larry Legend asked fans to be patient with is now in full effect and I believe the end result will be a BANNER hanging from the rafters of the Fieldhouse.

    Not only has Larry Legend given PacerNation a team they can be proud of.. he may indirectly saved this state its NBA Franchise in the process. I truly believe with a solid deep run this postseason Pacer basketball will be back. The fans are already starting to attend more games.

    We have Larry Legend to thank for all of this. Ten years from now when this team has won an NBA Finals and the Fieldhouse is rocking I hope we all can look up to the rafters and right next to the NBA Banner see a banner for Larry Legend who is the only Coach at this time to lead this Franchise to the Finals and the GM who led this team out of the dark ages and possibly even saved the Pacers for the state of Indiana.

    With all that said:

    How good can this team become and for how long? Is this a one year fluke or do you expect the Blue & Gold to compete for a championship for the next 5 seasons?
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    It depends on if we spend our money judiciously or not in the next few off seasons.


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    • #3
      Re: How long will Legends 3 Year Plan allow this team to compete for a Title

      My biggest concern about the team is finances and how far Simon is willing to open up his pocketbook to keep this team together. I also think that that will mainly depend on how willing the fanbase is to cough up their money to come see this team play games. I just don't want to end up like the Hawks or the Grizzlies have a pretty solid 3 year window or so have to pay a bunch of money to our players and then eventually have to part with them so that we can stay uner the LT threshold, that to me would be the most depressing outcome for this team in the long run.

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      • #4
        Re: How long will Legends 3 Year Plan allow this team to compete for a Title

        I would hope Lance wouldn't be given $8M/yr.

        I think the Pacers should give Lance an Ian type contract. $4M/yr for the next 4 years.
        First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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        • #5
          Re: How long will Legends 3 Year Plan allow this team to compete for a Title

          I have to know where David West will be playing in 6 months to begin to guess at how we'll do the next few years.

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          • #6
            Where were you JOBs last year as coach? Didn't have many people on my side supporting Larry back then.

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              Re: How long will Legends 3 Year Plan allow this team to compete for a Title

              Originally posted by spazzxb View Post
              Where were you JOBs last year as coach? Didn't have many people on my side supporting Larry back then.

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              I was immediately on board with Bird in 08 after Walsh left. The JO trade was a great move. I loved the Murphy for DC trade, as well as the drafting of Paul George in 2010. The decision not to fire O'Brien sooner was impossible to defend, but Bird made up for it with the excellent additions of George Hill and David West. Bird's overall body of work from 2008-2012 is nothing short of excellent.

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                Re: How long will Legends 3 Year Plan allow this team to compete for a Title

                Please show me oh mighty oracle, where you made all these predictions I clearly missed the previous years and while at it how many years this 3 years plan took, Oh yeah all the Plumlee picks are not Larry's, he never made a bad draft in his life.

                Chill out, we have a great team, which half of the posters are already tearing up because Granger is useless anyway, but ok, IF we can somehow pay for all the max-contracts you are perceiving in our future without hitting the luxury tax like the Lakers, or the Knickerbockers than we are set for 5 - 8 years, reality tells us that there is something like the luxury tax and we can't afford all those contracts.
                So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

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                Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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                  Re: How long will Legends 3 Year Plan allow this team to compete for a Title

                  Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                  I was immediately on board with Bird in 08 after Walsh left. The JO trade was a great move. I loved the Murphy for DC trade, as well as the drafting of Paul George in 2010. The decision not to fire O'Brien sooner was impossible to defend, but Bird made up for it with the excellent additions of George Hill and David West. Bird's overall body of work from 2008-2012 is nothing short of excellent.
                  You trying to tell me Bird started working for this franchise as President of Basketball Operations or better, in 2008 ??
                  So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

                  If you've done 6 impossible things today?
                  Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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                  • #10
                    Re: How long will Legends 3 Year Plan allow this team to compete for a Title

                    We can compete so long as Hill, Granger, Hibbert, George, and West are the starting lineup. And with Granger and West, I'd say 3 to 4 years.

                    It would be nice to keep Lance and Ian, but IMO they aren't necessary to compete for a title, so long as we spend the money available for the bench wisely. (Like..not on Green.)

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                    • #11
                      Re: How long will Legends 3 Year Plan allow this team to compete for a Title

                      Originally posted by able View Post
                      You trying to tell me Bird started working for this franchise as President of Basketball Operations or better, in 2008 ??

                      Not at all. I'm well aware that he came here in 2003. But that Walsh fellow was also here too, and he was the guy who had been running the team since 1986. I have a hard time believing that Walsh set back quietly while Bird ran everything. Now that's not to say that Bird didn't make key decisions (the draft) or that he didn't make some mistakes. I'm just saying that I still think Walsh had the ultimate authority on most major moves. Peck has mentioned multiple times how Mullin said he only talked to Walsh about the Dun/Murph trade. None of us were there, so most of this is just guessing, but I do know that things clearly began to change in 2008. I think it's pretty accurate to state that Bird's role changed in 2008 when Walsh left. From then on, Bird was the undisputed head honcho. There was no more guessing amongst fans over who had more authority. I don't think it's a coincidence that the moves began to get better in 2008 when Bird assumed complete authority, peaking in that 2010-2012 stretch where we added PG, Lance, DC, George Hill, and David West.

                      I divide Bird's tenure here into two chapters. There was the 03-08 stretch when he was here with Walsh. That was obviously a rough five years. Then there was the 08-12 stretch after Walsh left. Those years were filled with excellent moves that built an awesome foundation for our club. Overall, Larry gets a great grade.
                      Last edited by Sollozzo; 02-26-2013, 04:23 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Re: How long will Legends 3 Year Plan allow this team to compete for a Title

                        Originally posted by able View Post
                        Please show me oh mighty oracle, where you made all these predictions I clearly missed the previous years and while at it how many years this 3 years plan took, Oh yeah all the Plumlee picks are not Larry's, he never made a bad draft in his life.

                        Chill out, we have a great team, which half of the posters are already tearing up because Granger is useless anyway, but ok, IF we can somehow pay for all the max-contracts you are perceiving in our future without hitting the luxury tax like the Lakers, or the Knickerbockers than we are set for 5 - 8 years, reality tells us that there is something like the luxury tax and we can't afford all those contracts.

                        This is a good point. The paradox of the NBA is that you can become a victim of your own success. You can make too many good moves that leave you in a position where you are unable to keep all of the solid players that you have assembled.

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                        • #13
                          Re: How long will Legends 3 Year Plan allow this team to compete for a Title

                          Originally posted by spazzxb View Post
                          Where were you JOBs last year as coach? Didn't have many people on my side supporting Larry back then.

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                          who is it you are addressing. cause i got the post that can show you specifically where i was after the obrien firing. i claimed then Legend would win EXEC and lead this team to 50 for 5. so far so good.

                          how you like Legend now all you Bird critics.

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                          • #14
                            Re: How long will Legends 3 Year Plan allow this team to compete for a Title

                            Originally posted by Sparhawk View Post
                            I would hope Lance wouldn't be given $8M/yr.

                            I think the Pacers should give Lance an Ian type contract. $4M/yr for the next 4 years.
                            I guarantee you that some Team will "Lin-Asik" ( I'm trademarking that term ) the Pacers when it comes to making a contract offer to Lance since he's in ( as far as I know ) the same Free Agent situation as Lin and Asik were ( 2nd round Players that are set to make a splash when they becomes UFAs ).

                            We will be lucky to get Lance at $4 mil a year.
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                            • #15
                              Re: How long will Legends 3 Year Plan allow this team to compete for a Title

                              Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                              I guarantee you that some Team will "Lin-Asik" ( I'm trademarking that term ) the Pacers when it comes to making a contract offer to Lance since he's in ( as far as I know ) the same Free Agent situation as Lin and Asik were ( 2nd round Players that are set to make a splash when they becomes UFAs ).

                              We will be lucky to get Lance at $4 mil a year.
                              This. Lance at $4 mil/years is wishful thinking. To me, Lance is potentially more valuable long-term than George Hill.

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