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Naptown_Seth
02-25-2013, 05:35 AM
(UPDATE - I have the first batch of photos out on pg 4)

As some or all of you know, a bunch of Area 55 and G2 Zone got together and setup a road trip to the last Detroit game. They had vans rented out and a block of tickets bought and needed to fill them up to cut costs, which allowed me (via Twitter) to jump on board at the last second...like 8 hours before the trip, which was pretty cool of them. Also thanks to Trader Joe for almost going but then not which kinda pushed me over the top.

During the trip I discovered that a lot of A55 and G2 aren't really PD members or only like to lurk, so I was meeting a ton of people that I didn't even know by PD handle. El Pacero of course, and IndySportsGirl Shelly who I met during the SAC/GSW trip, but apart from maybe Kyle that I've talked to when talking to Pacero, I didn't really know those guys and I don't think they really know all of us. Some knew me by name from reading here, but they weren't "fluent" in the nuances of PD personalities and debates.


So normally I would assume that it was almost a moot point to post a thread detailing much of what we discussed and shared on Twitter already since "all of you" were already there or following all of us, but I guess that's not really true. So I'm going to try to knock out a recap from my POV, mostly without names which will have to be filled in later. Hopefully the people that talked to me for hours will forgive me going by "dude with wig" or "Gumby Pacer" or "Airport Crew #1 and #2" for now. I also will get pix up but I'm still sorting some of them out.


Okay, so the plan was a couple of vans that held 12-15 (un)comfortably would meet at 10:30 AM, a few others would go in various cars, and we'd all meet up at the Palace...or something, and we'd figure it out then, or we wouldn't. The 2 vans started around the same time and we didn't see them again for about 8 hours. Ditto most of the car groups. I think by Anderson we were certain that we had no idea where the other van was. I spent most of the time talking to Joe, and a little bit of time talking to son of PD's Hoopsfanatic and time rolled along pretty well.


I'll throw Barb under the bus, err van, and say that Yahoo/Google had "helped" her with directions and had us off the highway to "cut the corner" from 69 to 94. Near Detroit Marcus (right?) made a "recalculating" error that brought us about 8 feet from guardrail head-on "fun", but averted disaster at the last second. Probably thanks to his 3 gallon jug of Hawaiian Punch/return trip pee jug.

So we ended up getting there a bit later and the other van had gone on to Chili's, some local Detroit Tex-Mex place. ;)

We wanted to start the PTO without them (man, I already forget what that stands for...parking lot tailgating org maybe...get ur krunk on is the jist) so we looked for a liquor store. One of the ladies (g/f of Fireman Pacer?) in the van was familiar with all things Michigan and told us we needed to find a Party Place, which to me falls under the "well no s***" answer, but is actually what they call places you buy alcohol, like an ABC store or something. We found one, and that was what it was called. And it's really a party place, it has every single item you ever ran out of at any party ever. When you ran out of bobbing apples and cotton swabs and Courvoisier at that one Halloween party, this place had you covered. Also, slushies.

Beers bought, me with an almost Cuba Libre (lime juice sold out, so just rum n coke, meh) we went to the $10 parking lot and got our drink on. That lasted about 5 minutes and we decided to find Will Call and get some of the tickets that had been left there instead. This brought us face to face with THOUSANDS of people coming 3-4 hours early for a Pistons game!?! WTF ?!? Later we found out that it was partially workers and partially families who had kids there for Hoopers party. You know, the world famous Hooper (so like, Burt Reynolds is here tonite, I don't know). We later found out that a "Hooper" is that lame horse mascot having one of those macot b-day parties that I've now seen about 5 of (seriously, Rowdy had one in Houston last year).

Also CAMERA PEOPLE, while we were up there I asked about my camera and they gave me the "no problem" without even looking at it. I had the standard "BILF approved" short lens that I haven't been able to take to several other arenas, but I wonder if I'd had my longer 200mm if they'd let that go to. Maybe in the "who are we to say no" mode of needing fans. However, NO BAGS. So if you go I think you'll get shut down on a camera bag. I didn't have mine to find out.


Okay, so everything in pre-game lock down, 2 airline rums in coke bottle gone, and 3 hours still to go with the other van and the Pacero car not there yet, a bunch of us trekked across the "highway" to the nearest and onliest restaurant/bar by the Palace. The place was nice and we caught zero grief or stares from people as far as I could tell, which was the theme right up until tip-off. Standard bar stuff and it's actually a pretty nice layout. We did almost die trying to walk across to/from the place due to the whole divided 4-6 lane road thing.


My favorite moment was while drying my hands in the bathroom two guys are talking and one says "if this gets to be another blow out, what do you want to do..." How great is that, they are making plans for the possible destruction.


Back at the parking lot the Airport Crew arrived, Gumby arrived, Pacers Ironman (is that the theme, not sure?), etc. Marcus, who is not driving back, is in the tank as much as me so I feel right at home. Not one person even batted an eye at a new guy joining in. Just biz as usual. The guys wig/mask/suit up and off we go as a pretty healthy group into the Palace. They wand pretty heavily and it definitely seems a bit more security conscious than BILF, but as Pacers fans we caught no extra grief.


So it's 45 min or so before the game. The Pistons come out to shoot...we boo, loudly. Pacers come out...we start going through the A55/G2 player specific chants. We see Danny. He starts getting a chant. How loud are we? Players are giving us waves or point outs for our cheers, and I'd almost swear West was bopping along to some of them (he does headphones I know, but this seemed in unison and only when we were going). Gotta think that got them a little fired up.

This is when the first security girl showed up. We have basically rows 1-4 of a section, about 20 seats, with plenty of people sitting behind us and a few next to us. It's not packed, but even on the end where we were it wasn't empty. So the thing is with A55/G2, you ain't sittin'. That's not going to fly, which is no problem for me. But between "distracting" chants and just constant standing, a lot of fans were getting a non-standard "viewing experience". I have no idea if one of them complained, but I'm betting they did.

Security girl says nothing specific, just "respect those around you" which we took to be a euphemism for "maybe could you sit down", but since it wasn't overt or an order, that's not happening. She leaves. No fans around us have said anything, but some clearly are sensing that moving might be a good idea. There are plenty of empty sections to move to, and on the side at the same row level, so really if I were them that's what I'd do anyway. I'll spoiler this part by saying that by the end of the game the 4-5 rows behind us were empty and no one but us was left in our rows. Just an island of empty seats surrounding us. :)


Sidebar - A55/G2 are organized as hell. You know that of course, but I mean even on the fly. It's like Operation Wall St. The group has pretty good order and can quickly defer to keep everyone on the same page as needed. Guys have different ideas on how to handle it, but over the course of the game there were no arguments except for fun and really there are no points where the group doesn't act as one unit. That's a big key to how loud it is.

Having said that, I'm a courtside guy so you just can't shut down my instinct for courtside style taunts over chants, so I did a little heckle "jazz" and through out my taunts to fill in the notes between the notes. ;) I'm pretty fond of "its the orange round thing in the middle" after a run of bad shooting by the other team.

And having said "having said that", the other thing they are good about is keeping the stuff pretty positive, not dirty or nasty toward the other team (I'd say I'm way snarkier when I get going, ie a bit mean). This helped later in the night when avoiding a fight was needed.


Okay, so this part is easy enough to fill in. You've been to games, imagine the normal A55/G2. That's what you heard. And that is ALL you heard. I could hear the echo of us at times. The place was far from full, but it wasn't empty. I took a photo from another section over on the side looking back toward our group, and looking from the outside like that our group was pretty small. It's 50 vs 10-15K. So even if they could only put a small group in unison, they should easily be able to out cheer us with just 500 of that attendance. And they did not (but they tried later).


So now you get some more security visits. Again, smiles, just keep it friendly, and the security guy literally walks down our row. Not the aisle, I mean THROUGH US. He's not telling us to stop, he's not looking for anything that I can tell. This is literally just a show of force. Meh, no biggie, doesn't bug me, doesn't seem to bother or deter any of us. However when this guy comes through later in the game he does CROP DUST us. Intentional? Hard to say, but definitely possible.


We've been waiting for Danny to check in. You can feel the buzz in the group even in the midst of this non-normal situation there is this other thing lingering on the edge. We see the sweat bottoms come off and the knee flexing begin. Oh baby. We are pointing, yelling to each other, prepping for it. After the time out he comes in and we go into a massive, loudest-thing-of-the-night DAN-KNEE, DAN-KNEE. Epic. The Pistons have been awful, the crowd is shook, and this really catches them off guard. It's a road game for the Pistons at this point.

Unfortunately Danny misses shots and the Pistons make a run. Here was the first sign that the crowd was angry because they started getting into it. Yes Detroit closed the gap a bit, but they never took the lead and barely sniffed any kind of "back in range" moment where they were clearly better suddenly and had a real shot. This was the bench and Granger just back, not the starters. But man did the fans start getting louder for a bit.

This is what I've seen in DAL, GSW and Sacto where we (Gnome, me, Frezno 4) were at our loudest/tauntiest. You do that and the crowd starts wanting to cheer you down. When it's just 2-6 of you that can be done if the team helps (the Kings didn't). But 40 organized vs random crowd with team not really making a serious comeback? Please.

Fireman Pacer (name please, he was in my van even) reads a tweet - they just showed you on TV, which he yells to us like the excited Nintendo Kid. He gets the expected reaction of "yeah, they put us on TV all the time", especially since with a road game like this you know they are going to. But we are seeing those tweets saying it's coming through on TV and radio in the background. At one point someone tweets that they can hear our "Boom Baby". It doesn't fire us up more because honestly there wasn't a much higher level we could go to, but it's fun to know it's working as well as you could hope.


Pacers get it going again with the starters and by halftime the outcome is looking certain. The Pistons have an epic fail first half of scoring going, it's a disaster these fans have seen before. I thought this would break their spirit. I was wrong.


Anyway, we go to half and as I mentioned it's Hoopers b-day. So Boomer (the uniform) is there along with the 1/2 size Benny the Bull and a few others. Standard stuff, but it was ultra bizarre seeing Boomer there with how we were cheering all game. But you know it's not the real Boomer or tied with Pacers (I assume) when he doesn't come up to our section at any point. I think the real Boomer would have done that, so it was kinda like seeing a con-artist. Still that didn't stop us from doing Boomer chants and cheers during the routines. Mascot dunk - we cheer Booomer. They gang tackle Boomer - we boo. Inflatable Boomer (yep, they had him too) gets his own Boomer chant. So even the mascot party is kinda being ruined. It's epic. It's turning into Brawl payback a little, it's that bad.



TIMEOUT for COCKTAILS - I can't skip halftime without giving the Palace huge props for some outstanding mixed drink bars. Not just some 10 bottles of various standard rums, vodka, etc, but actual cocktail stuff with actual cocktails listed. Classic and crazy stuff. I see El Presidente on the board. I see Hurricane on the board. El Presidente is rum, vermouth, curacuo, touch of Grenedine. It's as old school as they come and you have to explain it at most bars. But here it's a main menu item. Now when I order it the girl has to ask for help from another bartender because people never order it I guess (like 2 in the last few months), but still it got made right and was on the menu.

Later I came back for a Hurricane, also not from mix which kicks butt in terms of bar coolness. And a DIFFERENT drink stand (ie, BILF has like 3 identical "mixed drink" vendor spots) right next to this one has stuff listed like Gin Martini (vs non-standard Vodka martini). I get one and they even ask if I want it dirty (I don't). Holy s***, I love this place. It's like Ball and Biscuit but in a freaking arena concourse. The martini is in a plastic martini glass. The guy has me sip off the first pour to empty the rest off the shaker like a real bar.

So say what you will about Piston fans, but their actual arena is pretty awesome. I happen to be a cocktail fanatic so this stood out, but trust me that the concourse design, color schemes, paint, seat quality, everything was pretty top notch. Frankly the fans deserve less. ;) There will be photos. It's not retro cool like BILF, but in terms of glossy new arenas it's pretty sharp.



GAME ON
Okay, so during the 2nd half it started getting chippy. Peanuts got thrown toward us. Ushers were told. One guy just before half started talking s*** to us and got chanted down with a 30-40 strong "Scoreboard" chant. He's still yapping coming out of halftime but none of us are paying attention to him at this point. Kinda sad.

Another guy behind us is trying to shout out stuff about the game, and is starting to turn on us basically. "PEYTON MANNING SUCKS!". I laugh thinking that his "Danny Granger" sounded like "Peyton Manning". Hey, did he just say Peyton Manning, ha ha. Then someone else says "did he just say Peyton Manning" and you realize that it is what he said. This makes it so much funnier. This gets taunted with "he's in Den-ver" or something. Also there is some single cat calling going out from our group which gets reigned in so this doesn't turn into a real fight.

He switches to "Championship" and "Tayshaun Prince" as a reference to the Prince block of Reggie, 2 guys no longer involved with these teams. This does not work in his favor because it breaks us out into "Where is Tay-Shaun" loudly. The more he presses us the more it gets us back on our game. We are back into full-on "Dee Dee Dee Dee-fence" and a slew of scattered Ric Flair "woos" which is my favorite because it's not all at once but just 2-3 people at a time feeding off each other so it just keeps going and is so freaking annoying if you aren't involved. :D

But this dude doesn't stop. More peanuts, ice or stuff. Not "holy s**, we are in trouble". This is the sneaky, cowardly, every now and then style. Harmless but douchy.




PERSONAL TAUNT MEMORY - I don't know how much the rest of the group was paying attention or really understood my sense of humor, but I swear the following is true and is right in line with my "don't take that s*** Larry Sanders" right before he lost it last year. For whatever reason after a Will Bynum foul or TO with our group cheering, I went into a loud, sarcastic "You shut up about Will Bynum, he's my favorite, you leave him alone" rant. I've just randomly decided that now I'm a massive Will Bynum fan. Why? Because they are getting killed and Bynum is an odd guy to like and it just feels silly.

Maybe 1 minute later Will punches Tyler. I am loving this, I can't believe it just happened. Now I get to go into even more "Will Bynum, you're my favorite" taunts. The court probably couldn't hear me even, but god I'd like to dream that they could. Maybe I'm just entertaining myself and confusing everyone else, but I can't get over the timing and randomness of my choice.

Also for their Russian (or whatever) center I basically went through all the names of other Russians I could think of when taunting him. "You're the best Garry Kasparov".





A section on the other side of us organizes and starts some chants. It's about 8 people, not as organized and with no specific chants. We crush them like Drago on Apollo.

But we've stirred up the animals and it bears a striking similarity to the Brawl. Their team is getting killed and most fans of most teams would just be sick of the whole spectacle. People in other cities would be more like "well at least your team is good and you support them, I wish our team was good". Like we hate the "fake" Miami and NYK fans and get a bit annoyed with Bulls fans. But if Squad 6 or some OKC fan group or Memphis fan group came to the BILF a few years ago when JOB was coaching, how angry would you be at them vs sad that our own team was crap.

It would bug you, but it wouldn't make you want to fight those people. To some extent you have to admire fans that travel, and I'd say that Gnome and I have gotten nothing but that wherever we go. Even on my solo games I end up talking to fans about their team, their arena, etc and they are amazed to find out that you travel to see your team.

But these Piston fans are pretty hateful. Not all I'm sure. I'd say that at times we ran into fans in the arena/concourse that were way more friendly about it like Gnome and I are used to. But the people that are hanging around to jaw at us with the game way out of reach...that's where it's Brawl like.

A dude on the lower level right near the baseline (ie, pretty nice seat) is standing looking up at us FLIPPING US OFF during the 4th. Your team is getting crushed, we are a 50 yards away, and you are flipping us off. Haters gonna hate...or maybe it was KStat. ;) zing


So when it comes time to leave security has returned and is hanging with us. We've all agreed to stay as a group to let the others clear out, and then to travel as a group, and it seems like security has something similar in mind. When we finally go they wait till we completely clear out and then FOLLOW US in the concourse "just to make sure". I don't think they were there to keep us from hurting others, I got the sense that they knew their fanbase or that section of people (gasoline alley fans vs snakepit fans).

We get outside and go over to the team bus area to wait. It's setup so one of the main parking lot exits is right by it. People left the game early and we didn't run right out ourselves, but there is still a surprising number of people still leaving. Constrast this with our PD talks after the game and the empty garage by the time we break it up.

The problem with this is that windows come down to flip us off or Pacers sucks or whatever. They get the same treatment as the rest - Scoreboard or Go Pacers. It's a wedding reception line of haters getting dumped on one last time. It takes forever the bus to come out and by the time it does we are freezing. I don't think either bus (media/team) even acknowledged us which was a bummer, but the wait allowed us to taunt every single Piston player as they left, or most of them. We started joking that seeing our dedication vs their fanbase had them calling agents looking for a trade. :)

Also a guy that Pacero ran into while smoking came up and started more friendly taunting while we waited for the bus. Again, he got the same treatment as the rest though he was a lot more fun about it. Pacero said he was his favorite of the night.

At some point Pacero called into the Eddie White show while we were waiting I guess, but I didn't hear it. Maybe MagicRat or someone else captured it because that would be great.




When we left we had the same broken groups, vans headed back to Indy, some cars going to the hotel (SportsGirl and Pacero group went there for sure). Note about the hotel - when they checked in the clerk first tried to say they didn't have any rooms and when he gave them a room he said "it's down there and I hope you die tonight". Oh Detroit, the charms of Savannah with the weather of Hawaii. PS - they didn't die so in your face.


Our van wanted to find a restroom before we settled in, maybe some food for some of the group. This began the Voyage of a Thousand U-Turns, followed by the sequel, Journey to the Center of the Ghetto. Or maybe that's just Detroit. All I know is that when they give you your food using a protective glass lazy susan and buzz you into the restroom, it's probably not the place for out of towners to be at 11:30 SAT night. They had a ghetto White Castle that we didn't go to because of the bathroom aspect. What I mean is that this WC was specifically designed like an army bunker and was drive-through only. It looked like a photohut with a cement food storage area added onto it. All the regular fast food places were closed, so we really had no choice.

I didn't have anything except a few fries, but the reviews from those who ate were pretty thumbs up all things considered.

And look, I'm a downtowner. Just being inner-city isn't ghetto. But places that are clearly designed to stop gunpoint hold ups...they don't make them that way just for laughs. ;)



The drive home was long, boring and somehow more uncomfortable than the drive up. But everyone was great about it. No complaints, not even from the small girl (4-6?) that handled it like a champ both ways.

The main theme for the van was "Punch it", meaning punch the gas. We got a lot of comedy miles out of that one, even at 4 AM.



Anyway, not a smooth ending but I just did a few hours brain dump of all I could brainstorm. Others had different stories so this gives them a jump off point to add them in or to remind me on twitter if they want to keep lurking. I'll do photos tomorrow, at least some of them. I'm trying to go through the game photos mostly to see what's worth showing and what's just more of the same.

Trader Joe
02-25-2013, 09:16 AM
I live to push people over the top. I'm a perennial top pusher.

EDIT: White Castle bit is so true. Stopped at a gas station/restaurant combo once that was questionable in college up there. It was....an experience.

Trader Joe
02-25-2013, 09:32 AM
Also Seth, "fake" Boomer or "real" Boomer or "face off" Boomer, totally high fived Mr. West coming out of a time out.

Sandman21
02-25-2013, 09:33 AM
I might get around to the Saga of Team Sandman.... unfortunately no guardrail stories from us.....


But there was a **** YOU BEN WALLACE yelled out the window driving into the Detroit past an oil tank painted up like a basketball with a Pistons logo on it at 75mph.....

duke dynamite
02-25-2013, 10:59 AM
Pics or it didn't happen!

RWB
02-25-2013, 11:05 AM
I live to push people over the top. I'm a perennial top pusher.

EDIT: White Castle bit is so true. Stopped at a gas station/restaurant combo once that was questionable in college up there. It was....an experience.
It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye. Appreciate the stories but I learned not to push too far. Close to getting my butt into trouble down in all places Orlando during the playoffs.

Unclebuck
02-25-2013, 11:08 AM
There is a pizza place on the east side of Indy that has bullet proof glass, turntable for your money. And yes it was outside of 465. Pizza was horrible also

Sandman21
02-25-2013, 11:22 AM
Close to getting my butt into trouble down in all places Orlando during the playoffs.
Fez? :D

IndyHoya
02-25-2013, 11:24 AM
Thanks, Seth, for writing up the journey and it was great finally being able to associate a warm body with the "Naptown Seth" moniker I've seen here periodically over the last 3 years of my PD membership. Enjoyed talking to you on the way up. However, on the way back you were so dead to the world back in the rear of the van I figured we might have to hold funeral services for you at some point after crossing the Indiana line. *grin*

Our chat and your nice narrative of the trip below did trigger a couple of "light bulb" ideas for me.

Next time A55 and G2 Zone do a trip we might need to consider throwing it open to some of you regulars at Pacers Digest. I can personally attest that Naptown Seth proved to be a great traveling companion and represented PD very well on our trip (although I might mention that he was the last one to show up and we were beginning to think we might have to leave without him!).

Seriously though, if we want to "take over" an arena in the future we might want to consider sticking a few strategic hecklers from PD in key spots in the foreign venue -- like right behind the opposing team's bench, if we can manage it. A bigger road group, too, would allow us to maybe have a couple of tandem jeering sections that would make for a chanting/heckling "double whammy" that would make our unwelcome presence even more obnoxious and despised. Just thinking out loud here.

That said, I think Area 55 and the G2 Zone people that went did a pretty good job while there, as Seth mentions. When the Pistons came out for their warm ups and heard only the boos emanating from the upper decks from our section across the court, some of them looked up sort of puzzled and then kind of ashamed. From that moment on, I felt I was in a Pacer home court environment. Before it was all over, we basically neutralized a 17,000+ strong Piston attendance throng, ruined Hooper's Birthday; ruined The Palace's Kids' Night; and generally had an appropriately negating effect on virtually everything that had to do with the Detroit Pistons in their own Palace of Auburn Hills.

When the guys behind us started screaming at us: "Where Are Your Championship Banners?" we responded with "The Detroit Pistons Ain't What They Used to Be!" And when that strange drunken old man to our left stood up and yelled at us for an entire profanity-laced second half threatening to put womp on us (And our putting our hands to our ears indicating we couldn't hear him in response)....well, those were some really good moments from my perspective. To steal a line from Julie Andrews, these were a few of my favorite things. When it was all over, I actually felt a little bit sorry for the Pistons and their humiliated fan base.

Anyway, we need to think about doing it again sometime. Who knows? Maybe when we go to the Playoffs?

IndyHoya
02-25-2013, 11:39 AM
The place Seth was talking about was called "Legend's Coney Island" or something like that. They were prepared for robbery to the max but their food was great! Great deal for the money.

Trader Joe
02-25-2013, 11:45 AM
I'm always down for road trip. Would have gone on Saturday if something in the afternoon hadn't prevented it.

Sandman21
02-25-2013, 11:58 AM
Before it was all over, we basically neutralized a 17,000+ strong Piston attendance throng, ruined Hooper's Birthday; ruined The Palace's Kids' Night; and generally had an appropriately negating effect on virtually everything that had to do with the Detroit Pistons in their own Palace of Auburn Hills.

We were monsters and we didn't even care! :laugh:

billbradley
02-25-2013, 12:08 PM
I'll most likely be going to the Cavs game on 3/18.

Will Galen
02-25-2013, 12:15 PM
. . . ruined The Palace's Kids' Night; and generally had an appropriately negating effect on virtually everything that had to do with the Detroit Pistons in their own Palace of Auburn Hills.

Anyway, we need to think about doing it again sometime. Who knows? Maybe when we go to the Playoffs?


We were monsters and we didn't even care!

You ruined some peoples evening and think it's fun and want to do it again?

Look for Hill and George and Hibbert to quit having fan sections if you can't represent them with class!

Sandman21
02-25-2013, 12:21 PM
Wow. Holy over-reaction Batman! :D

That was in jest. We even had the Piston fan kids sitting next to us converted over to the Blue and Gold by the time the night was over. Seriously. They were chanting with us.:laugh:

No harm, no foul.

Plus, it was the Piston fans who were using profanity and middle fingers and chanting Pacers suck, not us. Our work was very very VERY PG-rated.

Mackey_Rose
02-25-2013, 12:21 PM
You ruined some peoples evening and think it's fun and want to do it again?

Look for Hill and George and Hibbert to quit having fan sections if you can't represent them with class!

Here, here.

I'll be damned if anyone else is having any fun around here on Will Galen's watch.

Trader Joe
02-25-2013, 12:26 PM
No more sports!

RWB
02-25-2013, 12:30 PM
Here, here.

I'll be damned if anyone else is having any fun around here on Will Galen's watch.

I believe Will is thinking cheer but don't be rude. I know I usually have a little less tolerance when we're invaded by Bulls fans in BLF. And frankly when Squad 6 came to town the first time I wasn't real happy but sucked up my pride because they were not hateful. Still didn't like it because when your team is already beat down you don't look at outsiders as a positive thing.

Hicks
02-25-2013, 12:34 PM
Yeah, I mean does the distinction seriously need to be explained to anyone regarding having fun in general vs having fun specifically while ruining something for others? How old are we?

Trader Joe
02-25-2013, 12:36 PM
I don't see anything that suggests they were rude though for the distinction to even need to be made.

Hicks
02-25-2013, 12:39 PM
I don't see anything that suggests they were rude though for the distinction to even need to be made.

It was vague earlier (open for interpretation, at least), but later clarified. Then Mackey seemed to deliberately misinterpret the spirit of the message Will appeared to be communicating.

Sandman21
02-25-2013, 12:40 PM
Except we WEREN'T hateful, we didn't boo Hooper per say (although if I were a lawyer working for the Colts, I would be looking into a copyright infringment lawsuit with that logo), we just cheered a little bit louder for Boomer and booed when he got gang-tackled.:laugh:

Heck, the few times we caught freebies that were thrown into the crowd, they were immediately surrendered to Piston fan kids. We had Pacero and Fireman Ken taking pictures with the kids. If anything, we HELPED those poor suffering Pistons fans have fun!

For goodness sakes, even the security guard who Seth mentioned walking through our section was having a good time, he started taking pictures with us, then went over to the fans who had started the Detroit basketball chants up there and (after explaining to them that we were not being disrespectful to Detroit, no sucks chants, whatever) led them in chanting "WE GOT BANNERS" at us.:laugh:

RWB
02-25-2013, 12:46 PM
I think part of the worry guys is the mention of plenty of adult beverages being tested. Lets just say most folks who have a good heart when tanked up just have an enhanced good heart. Those who are borderline obnoxious usually go full tilt with Bush or Sam Adams family assistance. :buddies::D

Mackey_Rose
02-25-2013, 12:49 PM
It was vague earlier (open for interpretation, at least), but later clarified. Then Mackey seemed to deliberately misinterpret the spirit of the message Will appeared to be communicating.

Haha and you don't think that he took what was clearly a joking tone regarding "ruining" the Pistons' fan experience, to a level that "deliberately misinterpreted the spirit of the message IndyHoya was communicating?"

Hicks
02-25-2013, 12:54 PM
Haha and you don't think that he took what was clearly a joking tone regarding "ruining" the Pistons' fan experience, to a level that "deliberately misinterpreted the spirit of the message IndyHoya was communicating?"

Going just on what I saw Will quoting, I don't know that I would say that. Now that I'm paying attention and seeing it was from Hoya's earlier post, I can see that argument. Knowing Will the way I think I do, I don't think he would deliberately misinterpret it, but he might accidentally do that.

joeyd
02-25-2013, 12:59 PM
Some quick thoughts:
1) I believe it was the actual Boomer that came to the Palace. Me and the wifey sat down in the lower level for parts of the first half and when Boomer approached the tunnel to exit with his cronies, he recognized us, came over, hugged the wifey and high-fived us as well as some other Pacers fans in the area. And he did approach the team and gave high fives to several players as well.
2) I thought the group behaved fairly well and for the most part, security was cool, especially the security folks I met while in the lower level, who went out of their way to be helpful. When I moved to the upper level with the group, there were a few chants that weren't my cup of tea (I don't like to shout anything derogatory about players or the opposing teams, so I abstained a couple times) but really, I don't think anything was too over-the-top, and the home-town fans were definitely not setting the bar high at all.
3) I recorded the FSN broadcast and can cofirm that the Area55/G2 Zone made several appearances in the broadcast. IndyHoya (Joe M.) even got a shout out from Chris (via Brooke) as the person "that masterminded the trip idea about a month ago." Or something like that. So Joe, you are on the FSN radar! The G2 Zoners (e.g., ever the red-haired stepchildren in the closet!!!) did not get any such love for planning the Detroit Invasion, however, although PD logs will reveal that the G2 Zoners had been thinking about a road trip to either Memphis, Detroit or Chicago for some time. In fact, several of us are already planning a Memphis Invasion for next season, if the schedule remains true to form and we end up playing the Grizzlies in an early MLK Day game. So folks.....mark your calendars for barbeque, Graceland and Pacers basketball! Great idea, Joe, to include PDer's in the loop for the next road trip. Maybe we get 100 folks going next time.
4) Not surprising about not being acknowledged by the buses. Probably had as much to do with the drivers and security folks as anything, but interestingly, we had our lower level seats right next to the visitors tunnel literally within high-five distance of the players, and most of the time when the team entered and left the arena, the players had tunnel vision and most did not acknowledge the fans. Although in all fairness, some folks sitting low did say they got some high fives at the end of the game and a couple of folks were successful in getting autographs prior to the game after the shootaround, including from David West.
5) The Palace showed it's age but is still impressive from the outside and in the concourses. Many concessions were good and reasonably priced. So glad they didn't put the arena in downtown Detroit. Probably would not have gone there otherwise, as most of us probably would have been risking our lives just to make it to and from our cars.

Will Galen
02-25-2013, 01:03 PM
Except we WEREN'T hateful, we didn't boo Hooper per say (although if I were a lawyer working for the Colts, I would be looking into a copyright infringment lawsuit with that logo), we just cheered a little bit louder for Boomer and booed when he got gang-tackled.:laugh:

Heck, the few times we caught freebies that were thrown into the crowd, they were immediately surrendered to Piston fan kids. We had Pacero and Fireman Ken taking pictures with the kids. If anything, we HELPED those poor suffering Pistons fans have fun!

That sounds great! Way better than what you posted before.

As for me over reacting, you yourself said I quote, "We were monsters and didn't even care," and that appeared to be in response to it being said peoples evenings were ruined. I can only go by what you write.

Inca Street
02-25-2013, 01:06 PM
You ruined some peoples evening and think it's fun and want to do it again?

Look for Hill and George and Hibbert to quit having fan sections if you can't represent them with class!

I believe the actual root cause for the home fans' unpleasant experience was the hometown product on the floor.

G2/A55......keep up the good work!

Sandman21
02-25-2013, 01:06 PM
4) Not surprising about not being acknowledged by the buses. Probably had as much to do with the drivers and security folks as anything, but interestingly, we had our lower level seats right next to the visitors tunnel literally within high-five distance of the players, and most of the time when the team entered and left the arena, the players had tunnel vision and most did not acknowledge the fans. Although in all fairness, some folks sitting low did say they got some high fives at the end of the game and a couple of folks were successful in getting autographs prior to the game after the shootaround, including from David West.


Just because we couldn't see them acknowledging doesn't mean they didn't.....

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Will Galen
02-25-2013, 01:14 PM
Going just on what I saw Will quoting, I don't know that I would say that. Now that I'm paying attention and seeing it was from Hoya's earlier post, I can see that argument. Knowing Will the way I think I do, I don't think he would deliberately misinterpret it, but he might accidentally do that.

I never try to start trouble, but I do try to warn people if I see trouble brewing. It sounded like trouble to me if evenings were ruined. If their evenings were ruined by the scoreboard, well (giggle) that's different.

Sandman21
02-25-2013, 01:18 PM
That sounds great! Way better than what you posted before.

As for me over reacting, you yourself said I quote, "We were monsters and didn't even care," and that appeared to be in response to it being said peoples evenings were ruined. I can only go by what you write.

You gotta realize that we are a twisted sort of folk. If we say people's nights and mascot birthday parties were ruined by us and we were monsters and didn't care, we aren't being literal. :laugh:

MnvrChvy
02-25-2013, 01:38 PM
It didn't sound like the group was being that bad. Granted though, you can still be effective by simply cheering for your team without tearing down the other teams players.

I love that you guys did this though. It has to be encouraging for our players.

joeyd
02-25-2013, 01:40 PM
Just because we couldn't see them acknowledging doesn't mean they didn't.....

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Of course. Was just saying that in the arena, the team and the security detail seemed pretty focussed. They should be. Food service folks, the entertainers, as well as the visiting team had to come into and out of this tiny little visitor's team tunnel, and it seemed like an absolute circus that security folks were trying to direct in that part of the arena. I would imagine it's the same way trying to get the players on the bus and then the busses out to the airport. Like trying to herd cats.

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Ace E.Anderson
02-25-2013, 01:55 PM
This is AWESOME lol..

I've def gotta attend one of these at some point in the future.

kielbeze
02-25-2013, 02:26 PM
I am at work right now so my addition will be short and sweet. I really enjoyed hanging out with Seth at the game. (even if he did steal my seat BTW LOL) He proved that we all have a bit of superfan in us! He also amazed me at how quick he became in sync, and even started his own chants! I may have to recruit him to some of the weekday games my wife is unable to attend.

I don't think we ever crossed any lines or represented our team in any that we should be ashamed of.

I think the highlight of the trip for me personally is as follows. After the game we were walking in a group through the concourse chanting our behinds off. An older gentleman sporting his Pistons hat and Joe Dumars jersey gives me a FIRM knock in the arm. My first thought is ahh crap. He then puts out his hand and says "Hey man I really admire your group's passion." I say thank you and we both went our seperate ways.

I think at the end of the day we may have inspired some Pistons fans to cheer again.

And finally one bit of advice. If you drive through Detroit and need gas.......and your travel companions think that it would be awesome to do so on 8 Mile Rd. Tell them there are loads of great gas stations on both sides of Detroit.
Especially if you are the guy who has to pump 75.00 worth of gas in full on Pacers gear!

Sandman21
02-25-2013, 02:52 PM
And finally one bit of advice. If you drive through Detroit and need gas.......and your travel companions think that it would be awesome to do so on 8 Mile Rd. Tell them there are loads of great gas stations on both sides of Detroit.
Especially if you are the guy who has to pump 75.00 worth of gas in full on Pacers gear!
Team Sandman had the bright idea to fill up in Ohio both ways.... but we did decided to take pictures of the off ramp signs for 8 Mile Rd. ROFL

Shoulda made Pacero do it... LOL

boombaby1987
02-25-2013, 03:29 PM
I spent the whole weekend in downtown Detroit. You guys are giving it is a worse rep than it deserves.

Since86
02-25-2013, 03:34 PM
I spent the whole weekend in downtown Detroit. You guys are giving it is a worse rep than it deserves.

I don't think that's possible. Even the police tell people not to come.


Enter At Your Own Risk: Police Union Says ‘War-Like’ Detroit Is Unsafe For Visitors
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/10/06/enter-at-your-own-risk-police-union-says-war-like-detroit-is-unsafe-for-visitors/

ChicagoJ
02-25-2013, 03:34 PM
Noticed this in the Detroit News writeup, and it warmed my heart: (Hoping that they at least irritated the really drunk Pistons fan that wanted to get in a fight with Jay's_Wife@Section222 in the halls of the Fieldhouse shortly after the infamous Tayshun Prince block.)


The Pacers didn't necessarily clown the Pistons, but it was another sound beating, punctuated by a group of about 50 Pacers fans in the upper bowl who mocked the Pistons and their fans for most of the evening — an unexpected development in front of a respectable crowd of 17,509.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130223/SPORTS0102/302230399#ixzz2LwdAxS00

Trader Joe
02-25-2013, 03:36 PM
I watched on TV and if there were 17,000 fans in that stadium they all must have been hiding in the concourse.

boombaby1987
02-25-2013, 03:37 PM
I don't think that's possible. Even the police tell people not to come.


http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/10/06/enter-at-your-own-risk-police-union-says-war-like-detroit-is-unsafe-for-visitors/

When is the last time you were in Detroit? That article is basically just trying to scare people so the police officers are less worked. Also, almost all of the violence happens with people that know each other, not random visitors.

boombaby1987
02-25-2013, 03:37 PM
I watched on TV and if there were 17,000 fans in that stadium they all must have been hiding in the concourse.

19,000 according to the Pistons. :mad:

Trader Joe
02-25-2013, 03:37 PM
When is the last time you were in Detroit? That article is basically just trying to scare people so the police officers are less worked. Also, almost all of the violence happens with people that know each other, not random visitors.

This is an argument you are not going to win lol.

boombaby1987
02-25-2013, 03:39 PM
This is an argument you are not going to win lol.

It's an awesome city. I love abandoned architecture though so I might be biased. Michigan Central Station is an awesome place.

Trader Joe
02-25-2013, 03:41 PM
I guess it's all relative what you are going to call awesome.

You call it abandoned architecture.

Most other people would call it an eye sore. Financially speaking that's what most of them are. Dragging down surrounding property values and creating a major reclamation project basically.

boombaby1987
02-25-2013, 03:41 PM
19,000 according to the Pistons. :mad:

This is wrong. The other night I checked and it was listed as 19,000, must have been a typo.

Since86
02-25-2013, 03:42 PM
I love abandoned architecture though so I might be biased.

Explains a lot.

EDIT: No insult meant, BTW. I love Ted Mosby. Never was a fan of Zoey though.

boombaby1987
02-25-2013, 03:42 PM
I guess it's all relative what you are going to call awesome.

You call it abandoned architecture.

Most other people would call it an eye sore. Financially speaking that's what most of them are. Dragging down surrounding property values and creating a major reclamation project basically.
Just because there are a lot of abandonded buildings downtown doesn't make it dangerous. I am not saying I would go into every part of Detroit, that would just be stupid.

boombaby1987
02-25-2013, 03:42 PM
Explains a lot.

When's the last time you have been to Detroit?

Trader Joe
02-25-2013, 03:43 PM
No, but the crime does make it dangerous lol. And abandoned buildings tend to fester crime. Why do you think everyone was so happy when Keystone Towers got demolished last year here in INdy.

Since86
02-25-2013, 03:45 PM
When's the last time you have been to Detroit?

It's been years. But I don't need to go. I know what the economic conditions are and I know what the crime rate is. Neither are good. Cities with horrible economies either are, or turn into, dumps and cities with horrible crime rates usually deserve the reputations they get.

I'm not trying to be a dick btw, just calling a spade a spade.

boombaby1987
02-25-2013, 03:46 PM
No, but the crime does make it dangerous lol. And abandoned buildings tend to fester crime. Why do you think everyone was so happy when Keystone Towers got demolished last year here in INdy.

Detroit has terrible parts and good parts.
Indianapolis has terrible parts and good parts.


I wouldn't go everywhere in Indy either. Yes, Detroit has higher crime, but as I said, the majority of it is people who know each other. They don't randomly just kill tourists for the fun of it.

boombaby1987
02-25-2013, 03:46 PM
It's been years. But I don't need to go. I know what the economic conditions are and I know what the crime rate is. Neither are good. Cities with horrible economies either are, or turn into dumps, and cities with horrible crime rates usually deserve the reputations they get.

Ok, well if you haven't experienced it first hand then...

Trader Joe
02-25-2013, 03:47 PM
Do you have family in Detroit or something?

boombaby1987
02-25-2013, 03:48 PM
Do you have family in Detroit or something?

lol no. I just don't like a place getting a horrible rep it doesn't really deserve. If you go there and hate it thats fine. But don't judge a book by its cover.

Since86
02-25-2013, 03:48 PM
Ok, well if you haven't experienced it first hand then...

Detroit didn't turn into what it is today over night. It's been circling the drain for quite some time.

boombaby1987
02-25-2013, 03:49 PM
Detroit didn't turn into what it is today over night. It's been circling the drain for quite some time.

True.

boombaby1987
02-25-2013, 03:49 PM
Ok, I just realized that this thread has been hijacked badly. My apologies. Lets agree to disagree Since and TJ.

Since86
02-25-2013, 03:50 PM
If you go there and hate it thats fine. But don't judge a book by its cover.

The people who lived there left. They didn't even like it there. The city has lost 200,000 people in about 2yrs.

http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=kf7tgg1uo9ude_&met_y=population&idim=place:2622000&dl=en&hl=en&q=detroit%20population

Since86
02-25-2013, 03:52 PM
Muncie is facing the same condidtions, just on a smaller scale BTW. Sucks for everyone.

Sandman21
02-25-2013, 03:56 PM
I watched on TV and if there were 17,000 fans in that stadium they all must have been hiding in the concourse.

That would still have 5000 empty seats. I could see 17k being in the gates in there.


I spent the whole weekend in downtown Detroit. You guys are giving it is a worse rep than it deserves.
I would partially agree. I thought Downtown Detroit on I-75 looked fairly nice (ESPECIALLY at night other than the flicking sign on the Ambassador Bridge), but then I-75 curved just past Ford Field and you see those abandoned projects on the left, and from there to about the 8 Mile exit, it just goes downhill.

IndyHoya
02-25-2013, 04:33 PM
I don't know where Chris and/or Brooke came up with me "masterminding" the Detroit trip.

For one thing, almost nothing gets "masterminded" in Area 55 and I doubt anything does in G2 Zone either. Things just happen, kind of, sort of, sometimes. The lack of formal organization is one of the nicer things about the two cheering sections.

Chris Parrish of G2 Zone arranged the vans; the Pacers Suits helped get us a block of discounted tickets; Josh McDonald of G2 Zone and I did head counts and collected money. Some were kind enough to drive the vans or handle the carpooling. Mostly it was just a lot of people simply showing up.

Woody Allen, I think one time said about 90% of life is just showing up.

Sandman21
02-25-2013, 04:42 PM
I don't know where Chris and/or Brooke came up with me "masterminding" the Detroit trip.

For one thing, almost nothing gets "masterminded" in Area 55 and I doubt anything does in G2 Zone either. Things just happen, kind of, sort of, sometimes The lack of formal organization is one of the nicer things about the two cheering sections.

Chris Parrish of G2 Zone arranged the vans; the Pacers Suits help get us a block of tickets; Josh McDonald of G2 Zone and I did head counts and collected money. Some were kind enough to drive the vans or handle the carpooling. Mostly it was just a lot of people simply showing up.

Woody Allen, I think one time said about 90% of life is just showing up.

This. I'm still surprised we all found our way to the Palace. I had the over/under count on how many vehicles accidentally went to Canada at 3.

IndyHoya
02-25-2013, 04:47 PM
I stayed in downtown Detroit on business a couple of years ago. I parked in a very nice Bed & Breakfast and cabbed to the Immigration Court where I was doing my work. It was OK. Detroit has its share of urban renewal going on. It isn't totally bad. Parts of it are showing some promise.


Also, after the game some of the people behind us that were yelling at us about our lack of NBA championship banners came up, shook hands, and told us that they were doing their thing because they regarded it as just part of the fun. I invited them down to see us sometime. One of them told me privately that everyone in Detroit knows that "the Pistons suck". They wished us luck in the playoffs too.

When I say we "ruined" things for people I was engaging in a bit of hyperbole. Some people were undoubtedly irritated by us (as Seth said, the seats around us emptied out and people relocated), some were definitely amused (taking pictures of us, having us pose with them), and some spontaneously jumped into the role of trying to be sort of a counter to us. The ambience, to me, was a lot like Squad 6's visit to us 3 years ago. Nobody did anything that would make Roy or the Georges ashamed that I'm aware of.
Hell, the only real malefactor that I saw was Will Bynum, and he was in a Piston uniform.

CableKC
02-25-2013, 04:59 PM
Yes, Detroit has higher crime, but as I said, the majority of it is people who know each other. They don't randomly just kill tourists for the fun of it.
I think that Detroit has found a new motto for it's tourism Department....."Come to Detroit.....we don't randomly just kill tourists for the fun of it".

BobbyMac
02-25-2013, 05:04 PM
This was a great write up, I wish I could have been there! We were watching the game, Chris and Austin mentioned Area 55 and G2 zones several times complete with camera shots on TV. It was cool to hear cheering for the Pacers on TV. We go to as many away games as we can while we travel and will be at the Magic game coming up in Orlando. Most fans have been great to be around, friendly cheering and such. Just want to adds.....GO PACERS!

Deadshot
02-25-2013, 05:15 PM
I get to see several Pacers road games a year now but I'm jealous because I've never been able to do it in a big group (although I will be in Orlando when they're there in a week or so). Great writeup, can't wait to see the pictures.

Miller_time04
02-25-2013, 05:39 PM
I was there in g2 zone van. In the blue g2zone shirt and the black/gray hat and carhartt coat. Names Dustin. i remember talking to u a few times seth. And yeah I noticed a lot of the g2zone people don't post on PD. ill try to get some of them signed up. Was an awesome experience. Very fun, definitely down to do it again.

ndcoltsnpacers
02-25-2013, 05:43 PM
Not much to add here since I was in the same van and essentially the same place as Seth the entire time. Some random bits:

Having taken part in the Area 55 Milwaukee Adventure last season, I've compared the two places a lot in my head and out loud to others. There is definitely a different attitude between those two cities when it comes to opposing fans. Not sure if that's because they're almost two different cultures, in a sense, or because of our team's history with the Pistons.

We were told by one of the Pistons fans who spoke with us that the home crowd that night was the loudest they'd been all season, likely egged on by our presence. Like they had much to cheer on from their team?

The ushers (who as mentioned took the time to warn us to be good) didn't seem to care about the behavior of the Detroit fans. They were pretty much good to yell whatever they wanted at us and in some cases throw stuff at us. A few bad apples, but I won't judge them all based off of that. Milwaukee was like that to a degree also.

Like Kielbeze, I did shake hands and high five with a few Pistons fans on the way out. Also had a guy and his daughter who drove up from Indy come up and talked to us for a few. They were dressed up like Area 55'ers/G2zoneheads themselves, but had no affiliation with either group apparently.

The difference between our jumbotron and the little thing they had hanging from their rafters is huge. Appreciate what we have even more now.

joeyd
02-25-2013, 05:48 PM
I don't know where Chris and/or Brooke came up with me "masterminding" the Detroit trip.

For one thing, almost nothing gets "masterminded" in Area 55 and I doubt anything does in G2 Zone either. Things just happen, kind of, sort of, sometimes. The lack of formal organization is one of the nicer things about the two cheering sections.

Chris Parrish of G2 Zone arranged the vans; the Pacers Suits helped get us a block of discounted tickets; Josh McDonald of G2 Zone and I did head counts and collected money. Some were kind enough to drive the vans or handle the carpooling. Mostly it was just a lot of people simply showing up.

Woody Allen, I think one time said about 90% of life is just showing up.

Yeah, I know it was a labor of love with many folks involved, but it was still neat that one of them knew you by name. In fact, I think they actually referred to you as the President of Area 55, which prompted Cro to ask if they have a VP, a treasurer, whether these folks are elected and who elects them---the action picked up and that's where Cro and Denari started covering the game action again. I have the DVD of the Detroit telecast and can lend it to you if you can figure out how to burn a copy. Their exchange was pretty funny.

Coopdog23
02-25-2013, 05:49 PM
Need to do that again next year

Sandman21
02-25-2013, 06:01 PM
Yeah, I know it was a labor of love with many folks involved, but it was still neat that one of them knew you by name. In fact, I think they actually referred to you as the President of Area 55, which prompted Cro to ask if they have a VP, a treasurer, whether these folks are elected and who elects them---the action picked up and that's where Cro and Denari started covering the game action again. I have the DVD of the Detroit telecast and can lend it to you if you can figure out how to burn a copy. Their exchange was pretty funny.
I know how to burn DVDs..... :)

kielbeze
02-25-2013, 07:34 PM
Now if we can get Seth out to PTO (Pacers Tailgating organization BTW)we will have officially corrupted him!

Naptown_Seth
02-25-2013, 07:35 PM
Thanks, Seth, for writing up the journey and it was great finally being able to associate a warm body with the "Naptown Seth" moniker I've seen here periodically over the last 3 years of my PD membership. Enjoyed talking to you on the way up. However, on the way back you were so dead to the world back in the rear of the van I figured we might have to hold funeral services for you at some point after crossing the Indiana line. *grin*


I put on my headphones when I thought the van was all in sleep mode.


Yeah, I caught some flak for my late arrival. I forgot about that, coming down the road and seeing the whole crew on deck to go and giving me s*** for holding it up. I felt pretty bad about it, not that anyone was mean. Just the group really was ready to be going.



I should have remembered you were IndyHoya after talking about the end of the 'cuse/Gtown game at "dinner".


We also did talk about the fact that PD in general hadn't been included when filling up the vans/trip, but those guys had looked at a bus but couldn't quite get enough people to make it affordable. So IndyHoya and I said that maybe if we pulled from some of the PD faithful we could get a full-on bus for one of these in the future. Obviously A55 and G2 have their own events and stuff and it's their prerogative to expand or not. This would be more like situations where we "helped out" for the raw numbers, sorta like they did by combining A55/G2 for this trip.

Bringing in a few people is one thing because the group is still organized and willing to defer. I wouldn't want to have a bunch of PD people join in and not meet that spirit. For their events it's got to be their show.




Det-roit Pis-tons
AINT what
they use to be
AINT what
they use to be
AINT what
they used to be

Almost felt bad for them. Almost.

Sandman21
02-25-2013, 08:14 PM
Anyway, the Saga of Team Sandman actually began at 8:45 AM with me making the literally five minute drive to the rental car pickup place to meet with the bus crew and drop off Seth's ticket with Indyhoya Joe (yes, its my fault :)). From there, I had to then drive to pickup the other two members of our carpool, two friends of mine from high school. This also was ironically the only time I saw the vans on the drive up between Indianapolis and the Palace of Auburn Hills. At which point, we made the carswap to the Kia that belongs to the fiance of our first driver. Its important to note that even before we had left, the executive decision was made that he was not to drive home, as he can fall asleep on a dime. This will come into play later.

Anyway, we get on the interstate at 10:25, and I quickly get a tweet from Seth saying he's five minutes out. I see it literally sixty seconds before the vans were supposed to be underway, so I instantly get on the cell with Airport Squad Ron and relay the news that Seth is still five minutes out. Shockingly, the vans waited for him. :). Anyway, our first driver is not only a narcoleptic, he also is a magnet for bad female drivers. Unfortunately for the better gender, the stereotype held in force the entire way our first man was driving. Before we had hit I-69, we had dealt with no less than 4 really bad examples for the stereotype. Other than that, the drive up 69 was fast and we made good time around Fort Wayne onto to US-24. It was about this time that we started looking for somewhere to eat before realizing there aint **** on US-24 between Fort Wayne and the awesomely named Defiance, Ohio (literally, we saw an Ohio State trooper turn around just outside the city limit). At this time our driver publically proclaims that he is jonesing for some Buffalo Wild Wings.... just in time for us to find the ONE B-Dubs on US-24. 45 minutes later, after replenishing our guts and seeing via Twitter that Barb's directions had apparently taken the Area 55 van from Evansville to Louisville to Chicago to Texas (god only knows where the G2 van was), it was time to fill up the car, which fell to me as the car DJ at this point. $20 later I get back into the car only to find out that in an unintentional act of Defiance (see what I did there?) we had nearly blown up ourselves and the gas station; the engine was so quiet, nobody had realized it had been running the entire time I had been gassing the car up.:blush:

Alas, today was not the day I became a Darwin Award nominee and we were back on our way, still with no idea where anyone else was pushing towards Toledo and then north to from there to Detroit when I happened to notice that our narcoleptic driver was yawning. Sure enough, the next exit he was done (literally asleep before we got back on the interstate) and I was behind the wheel for the last apparent half mile of Ohio (apparent because we never found a sign marking the state line, leading first to fears that we would find ourselves in the midst of an undeclared war between Ohio and Michigan, and secondly, wondering what state we were actually in. Fortunately for us not only did we not run into any militia checkpoints, we also saw the Michigan Welcome Center after about 15 miles. For the first time in 4 hours, we knew we were heading on the right track. As we closed in on the Motor City, we noticed LOTS of Ford Plants and also a random nuclear plant off in the distance. It was also about this time that I briefly thought that Dearborn had moved way south in the almost 20 years since the then Little Sandman had last been in Detroit when I saw the off ramp sign for the Henry Ford Museum. Alas, this was not the day to find out, as there was business to attest to! One exit later, we saw the first sign we had been waiting 4 hours and 30 minutes for: Now Entering Detroit City Limits. We weren't lost (considering I can get lost driving to work, this is a big accomplishment)! And soon we were able to see the iconic Renaissance Center in the far distance. It was also about this time we got to smell southern Detroit; the Marathon Refinery to be exact. As we continued to speed up I-75 towards the Palace, I saw that the refinery had taken a oil tank next to the interstate and had painted it like a basketball and slapped a Pistons logo on it. At this point, almost 10 years of anger at Detroit was let loose as I rolled down my window and with the force of a tribal warrior, let out a battle cry at 75 MPH as our first driver snored away in the backseat:

**** YOU BEN WALLACE!

Suddenly, I felt better and rolled the window back up and became much more of a tourist. With our navigator in the side seat taking pictures and AC/DC playing Highway to Hell over the speakers, we began pointing out the landmarks and thinking that Detroit wasn't so bad. And then 75 curved left and we were greeted by the site of the Brewster Wheeler Projects. Or what was left of them. We were rather impressed and mystified by the graffiti on the 12th floor though. As we continued to rumble up I-75 through Detroit amid the snoring from the back seat, we continued to take photos as we continued to trek towards our final destination. At some point the Area 55 van actually passed by us, which was not realized by Team Sandman until much later, although THEY had an inkling that we were probably heading to the same place. I mean, there can't be THAT many drivers wearing bright yellow El Pacero t-shirts in Detroit, can there?

Soon after, it finally appeared on the horizon: The Palace of Auburn Hills.... and a landfill! As we did not know where everyone was, we weren't sure if the parking lot was even open yet, so I traversed a couple blocks further in search of a place to temporarily park while we figured out where everyone was....... at a Jimmy John's of all places.


TO BE CONTINUED...

Naptown_Seth
02-25-2013, 08:14 PM
We made it to the bowels of hell, probably the only arena next to a "landfill?" or whatever the giant mound of dirt was.

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The group is surprisingly happy about this fact...

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Before heading to Will Call, we parked out in a PTO appropriate area

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The Will Call/"main" entrance really is nice. The whole place has as strong, consistent silver glossy theme while the rest of the arena is silver highlights against strong red and blue. The style is ultra modern but they've done it better than Dallas or Oracle I think. The layout is the ticket booths to the right, the store to the left, and LCD screen "posters" in the center.

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Notice the reflection from the ceiling. The "posters" fade to new pictures every few seconds. It's pretty classy actually.

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Here is one of the few concourse type photos I took. They don't have 2 concourse levels like us, they are like Sacto where one concourse has stairs that go up or down depending on your section. This is from the stairs going up.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/Naptown_Seth/DetroitInvasion/Img_9591_zps06656b11.jpg


Now it's on! The other van arrives, the other cars arrive and the teams suit up. I hadn't even thought about it since I'm not part of that, but it was funny to see it kick in. I was like "oh, yeah, of course they gotta do that", reminded of who I was with. Good stuff.

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And then the Palace makes their worst mistake of the night. They honor our tickets...suckas!

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About an hour early, it's empty but you can see the layout and unfortunately the undeniable banners.

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Um (Fireman, sorry) makes his best effort to talk his way into some "better" seats. He failed, but not before the usher helped him take a photo. Charmer.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/Naptown_Seth/DetroitInvasion/Img_9583_zpse14b013c.jpg


There were several groups in the arena. Some were A55/G2 people that upgraded, but a lot were people that none of us knew or knew were coming. This group came up and talked to us and I heard them talk about trying out for A55 next year.

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Some of the fans in this group were the upgraders

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WARMUPS! DANNY WARMING UP!

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Anthem...this was the last non Dubstep or Disco song we heard all night. IndySportsGirl joked that Magic Mike danced to one of the songs we heard. Might not even be a joke.
For the announced crowd size it seems modestly empty at tip.

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We chanted up the players during intros

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Fireman and Pacero survey the crowd for Pacers fans right before tip

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The tip-off. Sorry but the actual tip came out blurry. It's tough using that shorter lens from so far away.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/Naptown_Seth/DetroitInvasion/Img_9616_zps0667653e.jpg

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I have tons more but I'm still cropping, editing and sorting out the best. But here is one "in-action" shot. I don't think I'll have any in this batch that catch a great play. These will just be "flavor of the moment" shots

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/Naptown_Seth/DetroitInvasion/Img_9623_zps16b53359.jpg

boombaby1987
02-25-2013, 08:23 PM
I don't know if you guys noticed this but the reason none of the players ran out during introductions was because a lady had collapsed at a floor side seat and they were making sure she was okay.

Naptown_Seth
02-25-2013, 08:26 PM
There is a pizza place on the east side of Indy that has bullet proof glass, turntable for your money. And yes it was outside of 465. Pizza was horrible also
Well to be fair the Wash Sq area and Eastgate really turned into rough areas in the last 20 years, sorta like Laf Sq did before them.

I guess at least in our case the food was tasty (I think). Yeah, Hoya remembers. Legends Coney Island. Struck me as the cool place that's half horrible but worth the trip for something non-chain (or regional chain only). A much more interesting experience than if BK or McD had been open.

boombaby1987
02-25-2013, 08:28 PM
Well to be fair the Wash Sq area and Eastgate really turned into rough areas in the last 20 years, sorta like Laf Sq did before them.

I guess at least in our case the food was tasty (I think). Yeah, Hoya remembers. Legends Coney Island. Struck me as the cool place that's half horrible but worth the trip for something non-chain (or regional chain only). A much more interesting experience than if BK or McD had been open.

The Coney places are all over Michigan. All different names though.

Sandman21
02-25-2013, 08:53 PM
I don't know if you guys noticed this but the reason none of the players ran out during introductions was because a lady had collapsed at a floor side seat and they were making sure she was okay.

Yeah, it was Roy's mother. Thankfully, she was okay.

Naptown_Seth
02-25-2013, 09:07 PM
Haha and you don't think that he took what was clearly a joking tone regarding "ruining" the Pistons' fan experience, to a level that "deliberately misinterpreted the spirit of the message IndyHoya was communicating?"
Sorry MAS, but Mackey is right on this. Will took things WAY out of context.


*I* drank, I mentioned it, but not everyone did.

The Hooper party was ruined because it was turned into the night that a bunch of Pacers fans showed up and were the most noteworthy, loud thing in the arena. When the Detroit sportswriters mention it and say it in terms of it being disheartening that this is where things are now and that it matched the team's horrible efforts lately, I'd say that whatever plans they had in mind for the night were overridden by something far more noteworthy - fans from a rival city that actually give a s*** about their team.


It was frustrating when Titans fans came 5000 strong and filled up one end of the RCA Dome, but it also said "we need to step up our own fanbase and ticket sales". In the end it wasn't wrong that Titans fans traveled, it was wrong that Colts fans couldn't be bothered to buy tickets that fans from hundreds of miles away were willing to buy.




I never saw Will rip a new one on Gnome and let me tell you, if you think drunken, rowdy behavior is a problem then what he and I and the Frezno 4 did in Sacto (which you can actually see throughout that game on the coverage) was WAY MORE OBNOXIOUS. The A55/G2 group was in the upper level end. Were it not for raw numbers and dedication it wouldn't have made a dent. The Sacto bunch were right behind the bench, audible on the radiocast to the point that MJB mentioned it, and clearly in view for all their fans to see due to our locations.

And even then the guy next to us with his young kid had a great spirit with us and we all talked to him during and after the game. We talked about them having down times now but that they wouldn't last, etc. We talked to his son about the guys on his team he can root for, etc.


And as for players not liking it, well Danny gave Gnome and I a fist bump and kept talking to our whole group at timeouts. We had FUN. We were drunk, but in a go Pacers way.


Gnome really got after it a few years ago in Dallas and the Pacers lost. After the game all those Dallas fans were all buddy buddy with him and we took the loss in stride. It's freaking sports. It's meant to be fun.


Are we going to get rid of student sections in the greatest "environments" in all of sports - NCAA bball and football? Because those kids are DEEEE-RUNNNKKK. I've been almost knocked out by some of them walking by me at games. And the NCAA even has opposing team sections with all their chants.




And let me tell you, a few years ago when the Pacers were getting thumped by the Bulls I ran into some Bulls fans who had a flat tire after the game. They didn't know how to fix it (weird, but living in the city I can understand a bit) so after a Pacers loss to the Bulls, I changed their tire for them on a late, cold night in downtown Indy. If people have thin skins here that's no better. I don't "like" Squad 6 invading or Bulls fans driving down, but the problem is that we don't sell enough tickets, not that they are willing to drive to see their team. If they are cool about it and not outright hateful, then I can take the beating like a man.

Some people really need to toughen up. Fans that get really angry at opposing travel or relocated fans (vs disliking bandwagon local fans) aren't cool. If anything I'd say that you should not be that person more than A55 or G2 shouldn't go to Detroit and cheer.

A-Train
02-25-2013, 09:21 PM
Muncie is facing the same condidtions, just on a smaller scale BTW. Sucks for everyone.

That's sad to hear. Growing up in Alexandria, Muncie was one our our go-to-towns for date nights. (Not to mention partying at BSU!)

A-Train
02-25-2013, 09:22 PM
I get to see several Pacers road games a year now but I'm jealous because I've never been able to do it in a big group (although I will be in Orlando when they're there in a week or so). Great writeup, can't wait to see the pictures.

I will try to get a ticket for this game from my employer....will let you know if I can make it.

Naptown_Seth
02-25-2013, 09:27 PM
This. I'm still surprised we all found our way to the Palace. I had the over/under count on how many vehicles accidentally went to Canada at 3.

"Accidentally" went to Windsor. Good cover. ;)

The van did not agree on my plan to go across the border and bet the game ala Gnome and I for the LAL game last fall. Double up your fun baby! :D (unless they lose...F you casino)



Also you are in G2 this year, right? I own you the other $10. I'll stop by before the game, or maybe halftime as TJoe and I tend to get there a bit late when starting at Mo's.

Trader Joe
02-25-2013, 09:29 PM
Planning on being in seats by 630 tomorrow.

It's Granger time baby!

CableKC
02-25-2013, 09:47 PM
My god......the Palace is frickin huge.

Naptown_Seth
02-25-2013, 09:49 PM
Okay, well then I'll get to Mo's a bit earlier if you are definitely going to get out of there on time. Danny back in BILF will be great. Plus GSW is a really nice gauge for where the team is now.



A LOT MORE PICTURES TO COME. So much work...ugh. You take plenty and then edit back later to ensure getting some good looks, but editing is so boring (no shocker for people that read my stuff). :)



Yeah Ken, it looked bigger than Oracle. I think that's part of the reason the "normal" scoreboard looked so tiny. We kept talking about it vs the new BILF board, but the Palace also has that "not just Bball" type layout with really deep baselines and a rounder or long oval structure. The seats weren't bad, but you aren't as close as you are in BILF.

But from the outside I thought it was similar looking in size to Oracle. Way bigger than Sacto or Minny.

SAS is more bball dedicated and closer to the BILF cozy. It's funny to me that HOU seems older than these other places because it's the new replacement for the Summit. It feels like the oldest of the bunch.

Jose31917
02-25-2013, 09:50 PM
Its so cool that you guys do this!
I am from the Chicagoland area but go to school in central Illinois so I almost never get to go to the games.
I did get tickets for when we play Chicago March 23rd though! If any PDers were planning on going as well, it would be great to meet you guys!

Go Pacers!

Hicks
02-25-2013, 11:37 PM
Sorry MAS, but Mackey is right on this. Will took things WAY out of context.

No, actually Mackey was wrong. Not wrong that Will took things out of context (because he did), but wrong because I don't believe for one second that Will "deliberately misinterpreted" what he was reading. It was an honest mistake, nothing more.

In any case, as I'm sure you saw if you kept reading the thread after that post, things were quickly clarified between Will and the others, so it's all good between them now.

Kstat
02-25-2013, 11:48 PM
My god......the Palace is frickin huge.

I remember the first time being in Conseco sayings to myself, "my god this place is small..." :laugh:

boombaby1987
02-25-2013, 11:49 PM
I remember the first time being in Conseco sayings to myself, "my god this place is small..." :laugh:

I sat in the lower bowl, and I got the feeling that it felt smaller than BLF.(I know it isn't) Something about having only one concourse...

Trader Joe
02-25-2013, 11:54 PM
I mean the Palace sits, what, 4,000 more people?

pacer4ever
02-26-2013, 12:12 AM
reminds me of the United Center I couldnt believe how big that place was the first time I was there.


Isn't the Palace and the UC designed for Hockey?

Naptown_Seth
02-26-2013, 12:50 AM
I remember the first time being in Conseco sayings to myself, "my god this place is small..." :laugh:
And that doesn't bother me. I prefer it to stuff like Chicago, LA or even how the Hive was laid out. I know that for some places it's not practical to be so dedicated to the basketball layout, but it makes for a better aesthetic to me. Sort of like Wrigley vs Riverfront/Vet/3 Rivers used to be.

In the case of the Palace, it happens to look great inside, the seats are in outstanding shape - I don't think we mentioned that the upper level seats are nice cushion types. The Palace seems brand new to me, still very clean. I mean I was just at Target and in comparison it seems like an old, dirty rundown place like if MSA was still in use. Even Sleep Train really shows its age, quaint though it may be (I realize it's much older).

Naptown_Seth
02-26-2013, 01:11 AM
This is actually a continuation of the play that was the last photo in my first post of photos. It's Ian going to the rim, I think he missed.
But of interest is Tyler. I may have shrunk it too much to see, but he kinda has his elbow up while fighting for position but he's also having his uniform pulled.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/Naptown_Seth/DetroitInvasion/Img_9626_zps58f965e9.jpg


That's Danny in the shorts and he and some of the guys not in the game appear to be enjoying the cheerleading effort.

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I didn't get a good shot of Danny right as he came in the game, but this is I think the first actual play. He's over on the left as the 3pt kick out guy. Ian is going to the rim with the pass headed his way.

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Not the best shot, but I wanted something of Danny coming up the court.

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I forgot that they totally have the drumline rip-off. Okay, so it's not like drumlines aren't a big thing, and I don't think they play in the stands during the game or anything. But still, come on man. ;)
I think we heckled this, but I can't recall.

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The guys are not impressed with the drumline.

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Oh great, the freaking Hooper b-day party.

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Blurry, but Boomer kneels and looks on

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They brought out the kid cheerleaders and the real cheerleaders and had mascot dunks which is where I think Boomer got piled on.

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There's our boy. BOOMER!

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Just before the 3rd I walked around to get a shot of our section. I was trying to wait for everyone to get back to the group. Here are some FTA game shots from that vantage.

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So here is most of the crew, maybe 75%. A few were still not back from their halftime wanderings and obviously I'm not over there myself. The farthest one gives you some perspective on how small we were in relation to the total crowd which is shocking because as has been noted we were really loud. From the inside it didn't seem like we were such a small area. When I looked from this angle I was more impressed with our effort.

Also the areas around us have started to clear out by this point. There are still a few more that haven't given up yet, but when we got there people were sitting right behind us.


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Hey look, it's inflatable Boomer

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Danny drives with the ball

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...more to come

CableKC
02-26-2013, 02:00 AM
Yeah Ken, it looked bigger than Oracle. I think that's part of the reason the "normal" scoreboard looked so tiny. We kept talking about it vs the new BILF board, but the Palace also has that "not just Bball" type layout with really deep baselines and a rounder or long oval structure. The seats weren't bad, but you aren't as close as you are in BILF.

But from the outside I thought it was similar looking in size to Oracle. Way bigger than Sacto or Minny.

SAS is more bball dedicated and closer to the BILF cozy. It's funny to me that HOU seems older than these other places because it's the new replacement for the Summit. It feels like the oldest of the bunch.
I like the interior concourse design. It looks a lot more modern than Oracle Arena and even more "glitzy".

Kstat
02-26-2013, 02:51 AM
And that doesn't bother me. I prefer it to stuff like Chicago, LA or even how the Hive was laid out. I know that for some places it's not practical to be so dedicated to the basketball layout, but it makes for a better aesthetic to me. Sort of like Wrigley vs Riverfront/Vet/3 Rivers used to be.

In the case of the Palace, it happens to look great inside, the seats are in outstanding shape - I don't think we mentioned that the upper level seats are nice cushion types. The Palace seems brand new to me, still very clean. I mean I was just at Target and in comparison it seems like an old, dirty rundown place like if MSA was still in use. Even Sleep Train really shows its age, quaint though it may be (I realize it's much older).

It's one of the perks of owning the land your arena is built on. You can renovate and update every few years without dealing with all the red tape.

Sollozzo
02-26-2013, 08:43 AM
I've always been impressed with how nice the Palace still looks, despite being 25 years old. Every other NBA arena of similar age is either no longer in use (Miami Arena, O-Rena, etc) or very dated looking (Target, ARCO). I guess Energy Solutions in Salt Lake still looks halfway decent.

Naptown_Seth
02-26-2013, 09:47 AM
It's one of the perks of owning the land your arena is built on. You can renovate and update every few years without dealing with all the red tape.
Given the economic state of the region it's even more impressive.


But it is out in the middle of nowhere. ;) I didn't know the situation with the land ownership or anything.

One thing about Target is that the location itself is as awesome as BILF. You can (and I did) do a road trip to a TWolves game without a car. $1.50 train from the airport to downtown, right next to the stadium. I have a friend that lives in town which was my place to stay, but obviously you could do a hotel right next to the arena (ditto their awesome baseball field).

Sollozzo
02-26-2013, 09:50 AM
Given the economic state of the region it's even more impressive.


But it is out in the middle of nowhere. ;) I didn't know the situation with the land ownership or anything.

One thing about Target is that the location itself is as awesome as BILF. You can (and I did) do a road trip to a TWolves game without a car. $1.50 train from the airport to downtown, right next to the stadium. I have a friend that lives in town which was my place to stay, but obviously you could do a hotel right next to the arena (ditto their awesome baseball field).


Their new baseball stadium looks really nice. Also, it looks like they are building a new Vikings Stadium that will be patterned after Lucas Oil:

The $975 million project, half of which will be publicly funded, will be patterned after Lucas Oil Stadium.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikings_Stadium

I have a feeling that the TWolves will be demanding a new arena within the next five years.

Naptown_Seth
02-26-2013, 10:17 AM
Last batch of photos...


Cont from previous, Danny sizes up the switch (doesn't look like it but he still has his dribble going on)

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/Naptown_Seth/DetroitInvasion/Img_9677_zpsd4294a20.jpg


He sees the left drive to the lane open with the kick to Paul available if he can press them

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/Naptown_Seth/DetroitInvasion/Img_9679_zps2fbc226c.jpg


They drop off him to help stop the drive, so Danny rises up for 3

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/Naptown_Seth/DetroitInvasion/Img_9680_zps710eaff6.jpg

And it's on it's way...a miss, but they won't stay that way. His jumpers basically came as "drive back the defender, straight pull up", ie not fades really, which are one of his main shots.

The whole play shows how nasty the spacing can be with Danny back. There is Paul waiting for the open 3 also, or if DG drives and forces backward movement into the lane then Paul can follow him with his own drive after the kickout and inevitable hard close out by a defender.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/Naptown_Seth/DetroitInvasion/Img_9681_zps43409bd4.jpg


Tyler drives past Charlie V, although the ball would get knocked loose at the rim on this one. It's still pathetic how bad Villanueva is given his FA payday. I remember at the time many Pacers fans being so in love with all the spending Detroit was able to do on guys like Gordon and Villanueva, which actually started previously as justification for the terrible AI move (either he helps keep them good or they get cap space...which will promptly be turned into something even worse).

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/Naptown_Seth/DetroitInvasion/Img_9687_zpsdb79e2ef.jpg


I totally forgot about this guy, which A55/G2 all cheered afterward (see, we weren't jerks). He's an "usher?" that does some impressive dancing late in the game during a timeout. I assume this is a regular thing at games.

Also I forgot to mention the suites. Notice how they have full windows with vertical blinds. It's not the open look of BILF suites, these are more like "we want to hide in here sometimes" style similar to SkyDome it seems. Like hotel windows looking out on an atrium or something. It's the first time I've notice bball arena suites like this. Obviously the 3 rows of seats in front of them go with the suite.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/Naptown_Seth/DetroitInvasion/Img_9697_zps5f760307.jpg

Late in the 4th, Roy comes out to take a pass. This would end up being a forced 3 by Paul with Roy as the screener.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/Naptown_Seth/DetroitInvasion/Img_9701_zps59968681.jpg

Hill is killing the clock

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/Naptown_Seth/DetroitInvasion/Img_9715_zpsdcd3c162.jpg

A55/G2 is feeling the love, maybe a bit too much at times. Great road trip, great road win.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/Naptown_Seth/DetroitInvasion/Img_9708_zps142e3237.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/Naptown_Seth/DetroitInvasion/Img_9710_zps744db759.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/Naptown_Seth/DetroitInvasion/Img_9704_zpsf8246360.jpg

Pacero and Nap recreate the Sacto mood

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/Naptown_Seth/DetroitInvasion/Img_9712_zps9b58319b.jpg


This thing is over, time for the celebration, or whatever Fireman Ken (think I finally got that right) is doing.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/Naptown_Seth/DetroitInvasion/Img_9722_zps630ccb6b.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/Naptown_Seth/DetroitInvasion/Img_9718_zps273cf1b9.jpg


Post-game interviews and hugs

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/Naptown_Seth/DetroitInvasion/Img_9723_zps99e99de8.jpg


My favorite thing about this photo is the funny detail in the middle.
West is just out in the middle alone looking for someone to be all BAMF with.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/Naptown_Seth/DetroitInvasion/Img_9727_zps86b380fb.jpg


Oh baby, first Granger post-game of the season. Hopefully not the last. Woo Hoo!

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/Naptown_Seth/DetroitInvasion/Img_9729_zpsb88b52c8.jpg


I didn't get good shots of the march out. Much of the night I was more busy participating than documenting. I didn't realize how cool this shot would be till we were well on our way and then I had to hold the camera up over my head and do some blind shots. This is the best I came up with. Security was still following us at this point.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/Naptown_Seth/DetroitInvasion/Img_9743_zps8a134652.jpg



An obligatory at night photo of the outside. Okay, but not as nice looking at night as someplace like Toyota Center which is one of the sharpest looking outside, and BILF of course.
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/Naptown_Seth/DetroitInvasion/Img_9751_zps01595c1c.jpg



That is all, finally. I have large versions of all of these. I've cropped and shrunk, and Photobucket has held them all to a max width for linking. Most of these are actually much bigger as uploaded.

Hicks
02-26-2013, 10:32 AM
Reminds me of when I went up there with Gnome and Gnome's Wife about 5 ( :-o ) years ago. We didn't get there when it was the Pacers, but it was CLE @ DET. But we actually sat kind of close to where you all sat. If you start from where you were, go alllllll the way up to the last row in the entire place, and then somewhat to the right (over your right shoulder, that is). That's where we sat for that game in 2008. I looked through some of the pictures I took back then and it looks like they've replaced the championship banners since then. They didn't look that great IMO at the time but they do now. One photo had a banner saying '220 straight sellouts, thanks fans!' Yeah, that thing isn't there any more.

Naptown_Seth
02-26-2013, 10:47 AM
By the way, I checked at Photobucket and didn't realize they'd implemented a new auto "web" sized for linked photos. That's why they are so small. I tried to keep them "loadable" size to keep the thread reasonable, but to me the sizes Pbucket has used are too small for some of these.