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Banta
02-23-2013, 04:41 PM
If the players are all of the same mindset when Granger returns, then it should be seamless whether he starts or plays 6th man. If his return is smooth, then I think its really possible that something Bad@ss could happen in the post-season. The level they're playing at now is definitely *championship contender*. We are good to very good at every starting spot and now the bench really seems solid to me.

Think about the way the bench has evolved this season. Green and Augustin came in with expectations, but I think everyone would agree that OJ and Pendergraph have grown into more prominent roles. That was definitely not the pre-season vision. Ian has been exactly as expected, along with Tyler. But now we have this awesome Danny or Lance addition to the bench unit that is just going to be like a punch in the jewels to opponents in the postseason. Its just beautiful how the bench has evolved over the season going from suckitude to a legit strength.

cdash
02-23-2013, 04:57 PM
Eastern Conference Champions.

Mad-Mad-Mario
02-23-2013, 04:58 PM
With the #2 seed, I think we have a legit shot to win the East, we just match up too well with Heat.

And if we get lucky with the matchup from the West, who knows.....

KingGeorge_24
02-23-2013, 05:07 PM
If we make it to Finals i do NOT want to play the Spurs or Thunder. Other than that im fine.

Goyle
02-23-2013, 05:09 PM
Contenders without Danny.

With Danny?

Favorites... :cool:...

cdash
02-23-2013, 05:10 PM
If we make it to Finals i do NOT want to play the Spurs or Thunder. Other than that im fine.

You probably aren't going to be fine then :laugh:

bshall
02-23-2013, 05:18 PM
I'll be happy making the Eastern Conference Finals this year. I don't expect a championship this soon after what we have been through. When PG hits his prime though.....WATCH OUT NBA

OlBlu
02-23-2013, 05:20 PM
Contenders without Danny.

With Danny?

Favorites... :cool:...


Hey!!! :cool: ... You are wrong, of course. The Pacers are not contenders with or without Danny Granger......

Since86
02-23-2013, 05:21 PM
Damn, I knew last week was too good to be true.

Handoverfist
02-23-2013, 05:29 PM
Hey!!! :cool: ... You are wrong, of course. The Pacers are not contenders with or without Danny Granger......I think we have a shot against the Heat and the Thunder. Now the Spurs scare me to death.

cgg
02-23-2013, 05:38 PM
Sweep first round.
Sweep the Knicks in the 2nd round, maybe 5 games.
Beat the Heat in 6.
ABA Finals

colts19
02-23-2013, 05:39 PM
Hey!!! :cool: ... You are wrong, of course. The Pacers are not contenders with or without Danny Granger......
I guess that depends on how you define contender. How do you define contender (Miami Heat).

CableKC
02-23-2013, 05:44 PM
I expect a very hard fought 2nd round Playoff series ( at the very least ). Will we win? I don't know...I'm leaning towards, yes....and hopefully the ECF or beyond.

cgg
02-23-2013, 05:52 PM
I expect a very hard fought 2nd round Playoff series ( at the very least ). Will we win? I don't know...I'm leaning towards, yes....and hopefully the ECF or beyond.

If the Knicks keep the 3 seed then NY fans are gonna be really sad.

colts19
02-23-2013, 06:02 PM
I agree with handoverfist. I think we can beat anybody, but the Spurs really scare me. And as always, Thanks Larry Legend.

CableKC
02-23-2013, 06:15 PM
If the Knicks keep the 3 seed then NY fans are gonna be really sad.
I have no problem with that......

CableKC
02-23-2013, 06:18 PM
You know what's scary....but more wierd?

The separation of games between the 2 and 6 spots in the East is 2.5 games.

A LOT can happen in the span of 2 months.

Seth is going to have to do a Schedule Breakdown for the Pacers, Knicks, Hawks and the Bulls.

aamcguy
02-23-2013, 06:19 PM
I'm looking forward to watching our team reacclimate and grow together over the rest of the season. Anything they do in the playoffs is just gravy.

OlBlu
02-23-2013, 06:21 PM
I think we have a shot against the Heat and the Thunder. Now the Spurs scare me to death.

The Heat and Thunder scare the Spurs...... As do the Clippers....:cool: ...

Hicks
02-23-2013, 06:30 PM
The season is starting to feel special. If Danny re-integrates well it could start to feel VERY special. I don't expect a title, but I think we could possibly go to the Finals.

CableKC
02-23-2013, 06:50 PM
Okay...here's the Knicks Schedule Breakdown:

14 Home Game
- 8 Total Home Games ( Above .500 ) / 4 Home Games ( East - Above .500 ) / 4 Home Games ( West - Above .500 )
- Notable Home Teams ( Above .500 ) : Miami, Boston, Indiana, Atlanta, GSW, OKC, Utah, Memphis
- 6 Total Home Games ( Below .500 ) / 6 Home Games ( East - Below .500 ) / 0 Home Games ( West - Below .500 )
- Notable Home Teams ( Below .500 ) : Philly ( 3.5 games behind 8th Playoff spot ), Toronto ( 4.5 games behind 8th Playoff spot ), Milwaukee ( 8th Spot )

16 Road Games
- 9 Total Away Games ( Above .500 ) / 4 Away Games ( East - Above .500 ) / 5 Away Games ( West - Above .500 )
- Notable Away Teams ( Above .500 ) : Boston, Miami, Atlanta, Chicago, GSW, Denver, LAC, Utah, OKC
- 7 Total Away Games ( Below .500 ) / 6 Away Games ( East - Below .500 ) / 1 Away Games ( West - Below .500 )
- Notable Away Teams ( Below .500 ) : Toronto ( 4.5 games behind East 8th Playoff spot ), Portland ( 5 games behind West 8th Playoff spot )

- 30 Total Games Left
- 17 Total Home and Way Games ( Against Teams Above .500 )
- 13 Total Home and Way Games ( Against Teams Below .500 )

cgg
02-23-2013, 06:56 PM
Okay...here's the Knicks Schedule Breakdown:

14 Home Game
- 8 Total Home Games ( Above .500 ) / 4 Home Games ( East - Above .500 ) / 4 Home Games ( West - Above .500 )
- Notable Home Teams ( Above .500 ) : Miami, Boston, Indiana, Atlanta, GSW, OKC, Utah, Memphis
- 6 Total Home Games ( Below .500 ) / 6 Home Games ( East - Below .500 ) / 0 Home Games ( West - Below .500 )
- Notable Home Teams ( Below .500 ) : Philly ( 3.5 games behind 8th Playoff spot ), Toronto ( 4.5 games behind 8th Playoff spot ), Milwaukee ( 8th Spot )

16 Road Games
- 9 Total Away Games ( Above .500 ) / 4 Away Games ( East - Above .500 ) / 5 Away Games ( West - Above .500 )
- Notable Away Teams ( Above .500 ) : Boston, Miami, Atlanta, Chicago, GSW, Denver, LAC, Utah, OKC
- 7 Total Away Games ( Below .500 ) / 6 Away Games ( East - Below .500 ) / 1 Away Games ( West - Below .500 )
- Notable Away Teams ( Below .500 ) : Toronto ( 4.5 games behind East 8th Playoff spot ), Portland ( 5 games behind West 8th Playoff spot )

- 17 Total Home and Way Games ( Against Teams Above .500 )
- 13 Total Home and Way Games ( Against Teams Below .500 )

Count games against CHI, IND, and BOS as losses. Top 3 spot up shooting defense teams in the league against a team that love spot up shooting.

PaceBalls
02-23-2013, 07:04 PM
He could be what Rasheed Wallace was to that 04 Pistons team.

I think the Pacers can beat anyone except the Spurs in a 7 game series.

Peck
02-23-2013, 07:18 PM
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CableKC
02-23-2013, 07:27 PM
Pacers Schedule Breakdown

13 Home Game
- 7 Total Home Games ( Above .500 ) / 4 Home Games ( East - Above .500 ) / 3 Home Games ( West - Above .500 )
- Notable Home Teams ( Above .500 ) : GSW, LAC, Chicago, Boston, Atlanta, OKC, Brooklyn
- 6 Total Home Games ( Below .500 ) / 4 Home Games ( East - Below .500 ) / 2 Home Games ( West - Below .500 )
- Notable Home Teams ( Below .500 ) : Philly ( 3.5 games behind 8th Playoff spot ), Milwaukee ( 8th Spot )

14 Road Games
- 6 Total Away Games ( Above .500 ) / 4 Away Games ( East - Above .500 ) / 2 Away Games ( West - Above .500 )
- Notable Away Teams ( Above .500 ) : Miami, Chicago, NYK, Boston
- 8 Total Away Games ( Below .500 ) / 6 Away Games ( East - Below .500 ) / 2 Away Games ( West - Below .500 )
- Notable Away Teams ( Below .500 ) : Toronto ( 4.5 games behind East 8th Playoff spot ), Philly ( 3.5 games behind 8th Playoff spot )

- 27 Total Games Left
- 13 Total Home and Way Games ( Against Teams Above .500 )
- 14 Total Home and Way Games ( Against Teams Below .500 )

idioteque
02-23-2013, 09:56 PM
I hope Frank and the team's expectation is NBA championship. If the Pacers ever won the championship I would cryyyyy like a baby I'll tell you that.

I really think this team has a puncher's chance of winning the whole thing. They're very, very good.

pizza guy
02-23-2013, 11:38 PM
I hope Frank and the team's expectation is NBA championship. If the Pacers ever won the championship I would cryyyyy like a baby I'll tell you that.

I really think this team has a puncher's chance of winning the whole thing. They're very, very good.

The more I see, the more I believe. This team is tough.

boombaby1987
02-23-2013, 11:48 PM
Some of this stuff needs to go in Knee Jerk reaction...Just like when we get too negative. I realize we have killed the teams the last 4, but 3 of those wins came against Detroit and Charlotte.

daschysta
02-24-2013, 12:58 AM
Some of this stuff needs to go in Knee Jerk reaction...Just like when we get too negative. I realize we have killed the teams the last 4, but 3 of those wins came against Detroit and Charlotte.

I'm more tickled pink at the fact that we are 31-14 over the last 45. That's only .5 games worse than the Clippers, and behind only them San Antonio, Miami and Oklahoma City during the same period.

Heisenberg
02-24-2013, 01:09 AM
Anything less than ECF is a failure, unless something weird happens and we get Miami in the 2nd round.

Pretty nice to feel that way after being ready to blow it up at 3-7.

CableKC
02-24-2013, 01:20 AM
Anything less than ECF is a failure, unless something weird happens and we get Miami in the 2nd round.

Pretty nice to feel that way after being ready to blow it up at 3-7.
Not to be a debbie downer....but to echo boombaby1987 and what I said earlier.....there is only a 3 game between the 2nd and 6th place Teams. Anything can happen in the span of 27 games.

If we fall to the 4th spot or below....we can face the Heat in the 2nd round.

cgg
02-24-2013, 01:30 AM
Not to be a debbie downer....but to echo boombaby1987 and what I said earlier.....there is only a 3 game between the 2nd and 6th place Teams. Anything can happen in the span of 27 games.

If we fall to the 4th spot or below....we can face the Heat in the 2nd round.

And then beat them and advance to the ECF. Success!

Nuntius
02-24-2013, 02:14 AM
Seth is going to have to do a Schedule Breakdown for the Pacers, Knicks, Hawks and the Bulls.

We have an easier schedule than the Knicks, the Bulls and the Nets. I have looked that up.

The Knicks play more against over .500 teams in the second season. They are going to have a very tough March. Their March schedule:

@ WAS (they're playing a lot better, we're lucky that we played them before Wall returned, already beat the NYK once in Washington)

vs MIA

@ CLE (second night of a back to back)

@ DET

vs OKC (second night of a back to back)

vs Utah

@ GS

@ DEN

@ POR

@ LAC

@ Utah

vs ORL

@ TOR (playing a lot better after the Gay injury, already 2-0 against NYK)

vs TOR (second night of a back to back, home and home series)

@ BOS

vs MEM (second night of a back to back)

vs CHA

vs BOS

Their April is not going to be any easier either. Here's the April:

@ MIA

@ ATL (second night of a back to back)

vs MIL

@ OKC

vs WAS

@ CHI

@ CLE (second night of a back to back)

vs IND

@ CHA (second night of a back to back)

vs ATL

There are chances that they will continue to struggle since their schedule is getting increasingly tougher.


The Bulls have had a tough February (went 4 - 6 so far and they play @ OKC, vs CLE and vs PHI) and their March has at least 7 tough games (vs BRK, @ IND, @ SAS, @ GS, vs DEN, vs IND and vs MIA) while 3 or more games could be hard as well (vs Utah, @ LAL, vs POR and possible @ DAL).

The Nets don't have as hard of a schedule as the Knicks but they have by far the less home games remaining (only 10 home games remaining as they have already played 31 home games). 16 of their 26 remaining games are on the road including an 8 game road trip that starts at March 18 in Detroit and ends at April 3 in Cleveland. The cause of the road trip is the Rodeo and during that span they play road games @ DAL (they are on a 3 game winning streak), @ LAC, @ POR, @ DEN and @ Utah (second game of a back to back). They also have to play games @ CHI, @ ATL, @ BOS, @ IND and @ TOR.

I don't know anything about the Hawks. I'll check it right now :)

They have played more playoff games (28) than road games (26). In fact, the only Eastern Conference team that has played more road games than home games is Miami (26 to 27). We have played an equal amount of home and road games (both at 28).

The Hawks started a 6 game road trip with today's game against Milwaukee. They play @ DET, @ Utah, @ PHO, @ LAL and @ DEN (second night of a back to back). Then they play vs PHI. A tough stretch follows with games @ BOS, vs BRK (second night of a back to back), @ MIA. Afterwards, they play vs LAL and vs PHO. They go @ BRK and then host DAL on the following day. They play vs MIL and vs POR and then they go at a 4 game road streak playing @ MIL, @ IND (second night of a back to back), @ TOR and @ BOS and they close up their March vs ORL (second night of a back to back).

Their April is home heavy (5 home games versus 3 road games) but they play the Knicks twice (vs NYK at 3, @ NYK at 17), they host Toronto at 16 (possibly fighting for a PO spot) and they play @ SAS at 6 (although, SAS will probably rest their big 3 at that time).

Overall, none of our opponents has an easy schedule. If we continue to play the way we have done after that hideous start then we should keep the #2 seed.

Nuntius
02-24-2013, 02:17 AM
Regarding my expectations now.

Last year, I said in a thread in this forum that I believe that this team has a 3 year plan (sic). Here's how that plan went:

11-12: #4 - #6 seed, 2nd round.

12-13: #2 - #4 seed, ECF.

13-14: At least #2 seed, Finals.

Those expectations have not changed. I really believe in this group of players :)

Nuntius
02-24-2013, 03:11 AM
Some of this stuff needs to go in Knee Jerk reaction...Just like when we get too negative. I realize we have killed the teams the last 4, but 3 of those wins came against Detroit and Charlotte.

Imo, it doesn't have to do with the last 4 games (although, I admit that the NYK blasting made me a bit more optimistic).

For me it has to do with the steady improvement of this team. It has to do with George Hill being a point guard that knows his role. It has to do with Lance Stephenson blossoming into a dependable starter. It has to do with Paul George blossoming into a full-fledged All-Star and still show that he has not hit his ceiling yet. It has to do with West fully recovering from his ACL. It has to do with Hibbert being an absolute terror on the defensive end despite being below par on the other end (I expect him to bounce back, though). It has to do with Mahinmi being a real back-up at the Center position. It has to do with Tyler's improved defense. It has to do with DJ finding his 3 point shot (and I still believe in Green). It has to do with OJ looking like another good second round pick. It has to do with this team being the #1 defensive team. I am disappointed at times if we let the opponent to score 90 points. I was a bit disappointed when Detroit scored over 80 yesterday and over 70 tonight. It has to do with this team being a top rebounding team (#1 in raw RPG, #1 in Rebounding Differential, #2 in Rebound Rate (ie. Total Rebound %). And it also has to do with Danny Granger returning only a bit after schedule.

In general, it has to do with clear signs that indicate that this team belong in the elite level. Personally, I never was too negative. Even when we started off poorly. I was disappointed but I was never in the "blow it up" camp. I believe in this team.

My expectations have not changed from last year. If anything, they have been a bit better than I expected :)

cgg
02-24-2013, 03:36 AM
How often do you get to be disappointed that a team scored 70 points?

Nuntius
02-24-2013, 03:54 AM
How often do you get to be disappointed that a team scored 70 points?

Don't get me wrong. I did get slightly disappointed that Detroit scored over 70 tonight and over 80 yesterday but I LOVE that the team has spoiled me that much in this regard :D

cgg
02-24-2013, 04:00 AM
Don't get me wrong. I did get slightly disappointed that Detroit scored over 70 tonight and over 80 yesterday but I LOVE that the team has spoiled me that much in this regard :D

I was sad when they got over 60.

pacers74
02-24-2013, 04:07 AM
I really want to make it to the finals, but I think we might be a year out. As long as we keep our core together. I see us going to the ECF this year and taking Miami to a game 7 and unfortunately losing in Miami.
:(

cgg
02-24-2013, 04:13 AM
I think we will advance past the finals, to face the Monstars, who we will beat in 7.

Heisenberg
02-24-2013, 04:16 AM
Not to be a debbie downer....but to echo boombaby1987 and what I said earlier.....there is only a 3 game between the 2nd and 6th place Teams. Anything can happen in the span of 27 games.

If we fall to the 4th spot or below....we can face the Heat in the 2nd round.
That's "fine." The year's a failure if we get knocked out by any Eastern team but Miami. THERE.

presto123
02-24-2013, 04:17 AM
You guys better lower your expectations level just a bit. You do know this is the NBA right? We will be battling the other team and the officials come playoff time. Only way we come out of the East is if we play our BEST basketball during the playoffs. Not impossible but I'm not getting my hopes up either. This team is still a Jeckyl and Hyde team on the road at times.

OlBlu
02-24-2013, 09:34 AM
You guys better lower your expectations level just a bit. You do know this is the NBA right? We will be battling the other team and the officials come playoff time. Only way we come out of the East is if we play our BEST basketball during the playoffs. Not impossible but I'm not getting my hopes up either. This team is still a Jeckyl and Hyde team on the road at times.

I agree with you. I am very excited about this team too but I keep my expectations in check and keep an eye on NBA playoff history. Teams from small markets with no stars don't win the championship but about once every 30 to 40 years. I also believe the Pacers are made for regular season play where they excell but when the playoffs come and the intensity ratchets up several notches and the stars start playing heavier minutes, the Pacers do not do as well. My personal feeling is that they have a good chance to beat anyone but the Heat (I said a "chance" not that they were favorites). I don't think they have any chance against the Heat with LBJ and company. James' will to win is very strong and he is could enough to take his play up to about whatever level it takes to win. I hope for the best in all of their matchups and nothing would surprise me good or bad. I don't see Granger adding to this mix because they can't play much better than they already are. He does give them a "go to" shooter in the last three or four minutes of a game and that would be a big plus. I am concerned about how much he changes the chemistry this team has built over the season. Perhaps none, perhaps a lot in my opinion. :cool: ...

OlBlu
02-24-2013, 09:36 AM
That's "fine." The year's a failure if we get knocked out by any Eastern team but Miami. THERE.

I don't really believe that. If they get to the ECF this year, that is a big move forward...... Miami may be too much for any team in the NBA.....:cool: ...

OlBlu
02-24-2013, 09:37 AM
I think we will advance past the finals, to face the Monstars, who we will beat in 7.

I hear a lot of you saying things like this. What makes you think the Pacers can beat the Heat in the playoffs at all? I certainly don't. They have three stars and we don't have any. Unless someone is hurt, I see the Heat beating the Pacers in five games......:cool: ...

Hicks
02-24-2013, 09:48 AM
'Hey guys, I think you should adjust your expectations until they line up with mine. Ok thanks.'

LoL

boombaby1987
02-24-2013, 10:15 AM
You guys better lower your expectations level just a bit. You do know this is the NBA right? We will be battling the other team and the officials come playoff time. Only way we come out of the East is if we play our BEST basketball during the playoffs. Not impossible but I'm not getting my hopes up either. This team is still a Jeckyl and Hyde team on the road at times.

You consistently spew that the other team gets all the calls. Stop with that ******** excuse.

aamcguy
02-24-2013, 11:06 AM
'Hey guys, I think you should adjust your expectations until they line up with mine. Ok thanks.'

LoL

It's actually pretty comical when you think about it in black and white like that haha

Sookie
02-24-2013, 11:14 AM
I hear a lot of you saying things like this. What makes you think the Pacers can beat the Heat in the playoffs at all? I certainly don't. They have three stars and we don't have any. Unless someone is hurt, I see the Heat beating the Pacers in five games......:cool: ...

Really.

You can have Bosh. I'll take George, West, Granger (if he returns to form), Hibbert, and Hill over him. Heck, Tyler usually beats him up.

Downtown Bang!
02-24-2013, 11:43 AM
It's early yet but this is starting to feel a little bit like 93-94. Steam rolling teams defensively. The offense starting to click. Roll players contributing big when called upon.

If Danny can work his way back to 90% or better then in my mind the train keeps rollin and Pacers finish as the 2nd seed in the east. Beating the Heat is something of a long shot but not out of the question. Especially if either West or Hibbert can consistently punish them in the low post.

Following an upset like that up by beating the Thunder or Spurs in the Finals is very unlikely in my mind. Team doesn't have enough experience operating deep in the playoffs. Occaisonally "not knowing any better" can be a benefit but in the NBA playoff format that is rare.

I'm saying ECF 50-60%. Finals 10-15%. Ring <5%.

cgg
02-24-2013, 12:16 PM
Really.

You can have Bosh. I'll take George, West, Granger (if he returns to form), Hibbert, and Hill over him. Heck, Tyler usually beats him up.

Anytime you go up against a 235 pound center that grabs 7.2 rebounds a game and does nothing but take spot up mid range shots you have to be scared.

Pacer Fan
02-24-2013, 01:10 PM
NBA Championship

Depends how the refs call the games tho and if the Pacers can overcome 5 vs 8.

Cousy47
02-24-2013, 03:19 PM
I have pretty much given up on predicting what this team can do. Seem to remember when a lot of folks thought they would be lucky to be a .500 team without Granger. I want a Finals appearance and a hard fought Championship. However, we made it to the 2nd round last year. We have not played a 7 game playoff series and the tension mounts as you go up the playoff ladder. My hope is someone like the Knicks knocks off Miami before we have to face them in the playoffs. If that gives BSPN an excuse and an out from liking us, that would be fine with me.

colts19
02-24-2013, 03:49 PM
I hear a lot of you saying things like this. What makes you think the Pacers can beat the Heat in the playoffs at all? I certainly don't. They have three stars and we don't have any. Unless someone is hurt, I see the Heat beating the Pacers in five games......:cool: ...
You say they have 3 stars and we don't have any. I agree they have 2 stars that are better than any of our players, but I think George and West are both better than Bosh. If I rank the players it would go something like this.

James, clearly the best player in the world.
Wade, can raise the level of play close to James.
West, BAMF
George, best stat stuffer next to james.
Hibbert, his defense has been damn good.
Bosh, 6th best player on the floor.
Allen still a dangerous shooter
Hill
Granger if he comes back to his regular level, then he would be ahead of Allen.

That gives us the 3rd, 4th and 5th best players in the game. I do agree that when the playoffs start it is the stars that win for you, so until Paul George shows that he can step up and play on Wades level, I think it will be hard to beat them. If he does step up and Granger plays well, things could fall our way.

presto123
02-24-2013, 05:38 PM
You consistently spew that the other team gets all the calls. Stop with that ******** excuse.


I think you got the wrong guy. I don't even remember posting that before. I am a realist though and I've seen the Pacers look pretty bad on the road at times even though we all get pretty high on blowout wins at home. Look.....I hope we win the championship as much as anybody but we have a lot of stuff to clean up before that happens.

OlBlu
02-24-2013, 06:51 PM
You say they have 3 stars and we don't have any. I agree they have 2 stars that are better than any of our players, but I think George and West are both better than Bosh. If I rank the players it would go something like this.

James, clearly the best player in the world.
Wade, can raise the level of play close to James.
West, BAMF
George, best stat stuffer next to james.
Hibbert, his defense has been damn good.
Bosh, 6th best player on the floor.
Allen still a dangerous shooter
Hill
Granger if he comes back to his regular level, then he would be ahead of Allen.

That gives us the 3rd, 4th and 5th best players in the game. I do agree that when the playoffs start it is the stars that win for you, so until Paul George shows that he can step up and play on Wades level, I think it will be hard to beat them. If he does step up and Granger plays well, things could fall our way.

Bosh is better than any player the Pacers have. Ray Allen is getting old but for spot up three point shooter, he is better than anything the Pacers have. It isn't even close between the team the Pacers put on the floor and the team the Heat field. They have Lebron James. He proved last year that he can play more minutes and take his game up yet another notch and waltz the Pacers out of the playoffs. The Pacers didn't get it done last year and the difference is even more pronounced this year. The Pacers have won eight of their last ten games and during that time, they have dropped two games farther behind the Heat......:cool:

cgg
02-24-2013, 06:54 PM
Chris Bosh as a #1 option may be better than anything we have. Chris Bosh the #3 option that is a terrible center is not.

cdash
02-24-2013, 07:12 PM
I would take Paul George over Chris Bosh 100 times out of 100. I would take David West over Chris Bosh 98 times out of 100.

Nuntius
02-24-2013, 07:20 PM
but we have a lot of stuff to clean up before that happens.

Of course. We know that Granger is going to help in the road games part and he will possibly help in the 3pt or less department as well.

As far as the + .500 record is concerned we are 11 - 13 at the moment and we're quite close on breaking even.

OlBlu
02-24-2013, 07:23 PM
I would take Paul George over Chris Bosh 100 times out of 100. I would take David West over Chris Bosh 98 times out of 100.

Good luck with that. NBA GMs do not agree with you but spoke like a true fan. :cool:

OlBlu
02-24-2013, 07:25 PM
Of course. We know that Granger is going to help in the road games part and he will possibly help in the 3pt or less department as well.

As far as the + .500 record is concerned we are 11 - 13 at the moment and we're quite close on breaking even.

We do? How do we know that Granger can play at all after that injury. He isn't going to waltz back in and be the Danny Granger of all. He was already in decline before that injury.......:cool:

Nuntius
02-24-2013, 07:35 PM
We do? How do we know that Granger can play at all after that injury. He isn't going to waltz back in and be the Danny Granger of all. He was already in decline before that injury.......:cool:

Even if the worst case scenario (Danny sucking worse than Dunleavy) comes true he's still better than our other options at back-up SF.

But as usual with Danny, I'll just let his game do the talking ;)

brownjake43
02-25-2013, 12:03 PM
Bosh is better than any player the Pacers have. Ray Allen is getting old but for spot up three point shooter, he is better than anything the Pacers have. It isn't even close between the team the Pacers put on the floor and the team the Heat field. They have Lebron James. He proved last year that he can play more minutes and take his game up yet another notch and waltz the Pacers out of the playoffs. The Pacers didn't get it done last year and the difference is even more pronounced this year. The Pacers have won eight of their last ten games and during that time, they have dropped two games farther behind the Heat......:cool:

Bosh is better than Paul George? I don't even think Spoelstra would agree with you. See end of All Star game. Bosh is nowhere near PG. And West is also probably better as well. If Granger ever gets to 100% he is close.

brownjake43
02-25-2013, 12:14 PM
Bosh is better than any player the Pacers have. Ray Allen is getting old but for spot up three point shooter, he is better than anything the Pacers have. It isn't even close between the team the Pacers put on the floor and the team the Heat field. They have Lebron James. He proved last year that he can play more minutes and take his game up yet another notch and waltz the Pacers out of the playoffs. The Pacers didn't get it done last year and the difference is even more pronounced this year. The Pacers have won eight of their last ten games and during that time, they have dropped two games farther behind the Heat......:cool:

Obviously Lebron is the best player in the world. But are you kidding with your Ray Allen joke? Have you watched any of the Heat v Pacer games this year? Our team defense is unbelievable and you are kind of missing that point. Heat should obviously be favored because they have LeBron James. But to say Allen and Bosh are better than what we have makes me believe that you don't watch any games. Take LeBron off the Heat and the Pacers sweep Miami. So you cant tell me they have 3 guys not named LeBron better than any of our players.

Mackey_Rose
02-25-2013, 12:17 PM
I'll be disappointed if they don't hold onto either the #2 or #3 spot, and get a chance to play Miami in the ECF. As long as that happens, anything else is gravy.

Since86
02-25-2013, 12:26 PM
Good luck with that. NBA GMs do not agree with you but spoke like a true fan. :cool:

Next time you talk to Gary Sacks, ask him what it would take to get Bledsoe. K, thanks.

Or next time you have your NBA GM roundtable in your RV, record it. That would be fun to watch.

BPump33
02-25-2013, 12:29 PM
For what it's worth, we are up to #4 in Stein's Power Rankings:

http://espn.go.com/nba/powerrankings/_/year/2013/week/17

4
Indiana
35-21
3
Last Week: 7 The Pacers just became the first team in NBA history to win its first two games after the All-Star break by 30 points or more. Which certainly didn't do anything to hurt Indy's claim that, with or without Danny Granger, it deserves to be known as the East's most legit threat to the Heat.

Kid Minneapolis
02-25-2013, 01:37 PM
Based on what I know about this team and how they can play.... I consider anything short of a playoff loss to the Heat to be a shortfall.

If by some highly unlikely scenario the Heat are ousted by someone before we meet them, I expect a Finals appearance, because I don't feel like any other eastern team is better than Indy and we'll have home-court advantage.

If we make it to the Finals against the Spurs, then I expect just an appearance. Against any other west team and I expect championship.

My dream is to finally see a Pacers/Spurs Finals. But they are the one team that I feel like we'd likely get out-coached in (I can't say that a lot about Vogel, but Pops is in a league of his own). If we could somehow beat the Spurs in the Finals, that would be so much sweeter, but honestly the Spurs are the only team I look at and think, "Man... I'm not sure we can beat them." I think we can beat Miami if they can keep the superstar calls in check... I think we can beat the Thunder because we can D them up, and they struggle against us. The Spurs though... they might play better team ball than anyone in the league.

Trader Joe
02-25-2013, 01:43 PM
Not one...not two....not three...not four


Man that is tiring, how could anyone go past four without being a pompous jackass.


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Aw Heck
02-25-2013, 02:18 PM
At some point after all of the disappointing losses over the years, I decided to not expect anything. Some would say the Pacers losing in the first round this year would be ridiculous but honestly, I wouldn't be surprised. Boston and Atlanta would give the Pacers trouble for sure. I could even see the Pacers losing a game or two to Milwaukee. That said, I also wouldn't be surprised at all to see the Pacers meeting but not beating the Heat in the ECF.

Which Pacer team will show up in the playoffs? The one that struggled mightily and lost to a Deron Williams-less Nets team? Or the one that destroyed the Knicks?

colts19
02-25-2013, 02:23 PM
Bosh is better than any player the Pacers have. Ray Allen is getting old but for spot up three point shooter, he is better than anything the Pacers have. That is what you said. Do you watch the games.

In two games btw pacers and heat it Pacers 2 miami 0. Score total Pacers 189 Miami 166.

Pick the two best players.

Bosh 27pts and 7 rebounds
West 44pts and 18 rebounds
George 44pts and 17 rebounds
Allen 0 pts on 0 for 9 shooting in two games.

Some of things things you say have no basis in fact.

BillS
02-25-2013, 06:58 PM
While it is exciting to expect and look forward to an ECF matchup with the Heat, I think there are teams we match poorly against that we need to be aware of and not be ready to shoot ourselves should they top us in the playoffs. Atlanta is still a HUGE challenge for us, and I still don't trust the Knicks. I feel we SHOULD beat those teams, but I'm not ready to "Guaran-PG" it.

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cgg
02-25-2013, 08:50 PM
While it is exciting to expect and look forward to an ECF matchup with the Heat, I think there are teams we match poorly against that we need to be aware of and not be ready to shoot ourselves should they top us in the playoffs. Atlanta is still a HUGE challenge for us, and I still don't trust the Knicks. I feel we SHOULD beat those teams, but I'm not ready to "Guaran-PG" it.

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I'll guaran-PG victory over the Knicks.

pizza guy
05-23-2013, 08:59 AM
With PD threatening to go all PFFL after Frank took Roy out in the worst coaching move we've seen in some time, I wanted to remind everyone that whatever happens in this series "is gravy." I know we all want to beat the Heat, but many of us here, including myself have felt all season that this team could be special this year, but probably still a year away from being the real Title contender we want to see.

I'm not saying is unjustified with their frustration over last night. I lost my mind when Frank pulled Roy just like everyone else. But a tough loss in the ECF is still an overall step forward for this franchise, and next year with Danny back (hopefully) and this incredible experience, I'll bet on us over anyone.