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Dr. Awesome
02-23-2013, 02:26 PM
Indiana
Home 23-5
Road 11-16
3pts or less 3-7
vs teams over .500 11-13

Now. I recognize that we have improved a lot, but I would have never guessed that would be our record vs teams over .500.

Goyle
02-23-2013, 02:35 PM
6 of those losses came before the Paul George 0 point game. 11-7 since.

Lance George
02-23-2013, 03:00 PM
Expanded NBA Standings - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nba/standings/_/type/expanded)

The Heat are the only team in the Eastern Conference that's above .500 against non-losing teams. Our .458 winning percentage, as underwhelming as it may be, is actually the second-best in the Conference.

New York's 10-12 (.456).
Chicago's 11-16 (.407).
Brooklyn's a dismal 11-17 (.393).

The West actually has five teams above .500 against non-losing teams.

Dr. Awesome
02-23-2013, 03:01 PM
Expanded NBA Standings - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nba/standings/_/type/expanded)

The Heat are the only team in the Eastern Conference that's above .500 against non-losing teams. Our .458 winning percentage, as underwhelming as it may be, is actually the second-best in the Conference.

New York's 10-12 (.456).
Chicago's 11-16 (.407).
Brooklyn's a dismal 11-17 (.393).

The West actually has five teams above .500 against non-losing teams.
Geez thats sad haha.

I felt like we've done well against .500 teams for some reason.

Lance George
02-23-2013, 03:05 PM
Actually, scratch that. Boston's 12-14 (.462) against non-losing teams, so they're second in the Conference. They've become such an irrelevant team that I completely overlook them.

BornReady
02-23-2013, 04:19 PM
Geez thats sad haha.

I felt like we've done well against .500 teams for some reason.

I think we have. I only remember one blowout game against the Pacers. Otherwise, we were in every other game even when we had no business being in that game still.

Day-V
02-23-2013, 04:21 PM
Stats are overrated.

Kid Minneapolis
02-23-2013, 04:22 PM
I would venture a guess that most team's records against .500+ teams is generally lower than against sub-.500 teams. That's math, lol...

PacersHomer
02-23-2013, 04:37 PM
If we were at .500 versus winning teams, especially with how we started, I would consider that an amazingly impressive stat.

Tom White
02-23-2013, 05:33 PM
Stats are overrated.

You realize that a won-loss record is a stat, don't you?

Derek2k3
02-23-2013, 05:56 PM
Indiana
Home 23-5
Road 11-16
3pts or less 3-7
vs teams over .500 11-13

Now. I recognize that we have improved a lot, but I would have never guessed that would be our record vs teams over .500.


6 of those losses came before the Paul George 0 point game. 11-7 since.

Those are both very interesting, but here's what I look at: Record against top 5 seeds in the East.

Heat: 2-0
Knicks: 2-1
Nets: 0-2
Bulls: 2-0
Hawks: 1-2

Really, since the Pacers crappy start they've dominated the other top playoff teams in the East. Atlanta got the best of Indy early, and the Nets have been able to withstand Pacer rally's in both games. Ultimately, Indy has fared quite well against these top teams, going 7-5. More importantly, Indy is 6-1 against the Bulls, Knicks, and Heat, all likely 2nd round opponents.

Naptown_Seth
02-24-2013, 03:21 PM
You realize that a won-loss record is a stat, don't you?
As is your age, your favorite food and your wife's name.

I'll let his wife know that knowing her name is overrated. ;)

TinManJoshua
02-24-2013, 03:31 PM
http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-WJ328_COUNT0_G_20130214210701.jpg

thats not such a great stat.

Naptown_Seth
02-24-2013, 03:37 PM
More important to me is that in the last few games the Pacers had a fluke loss at the last second to the Nets in a game they had won despite Paul having a terrible night, and they beat the Hawks, Bulls, Knicks and Heat all by 10+. To me that 4 wins by 10+ and one up by 4 with 60 seconds to go OT loss barely to the Nets dominates the year long +500 stats.

The Spurs losses are legit, but early, meaning that while I can see them still as better I would like to see what this version of the Pacers would do against them. GSW was in Oakland. Even prior to that you have 2 bad calls, close losses on the road and a win @ Memphis. And a 10+ point win over Houston.

At home they've basically been spanking good teams and on the road they've been "last shot" close at the worst. They are dialed in. I just worry when I see Miami looking like we or the ASG got them dialed in too. It looks like the Pacers and Heat are going to leave the rest of the East behind down the stretch.

cgg
02-24-2013, 03:38 PM
http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-WJ328_COUNT0_G_20130214210701.jpg

thats not such a great stat.

He's on the same list as Kobe!

Naptown_Seth
02-24-2013, 03:38 PM
http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-WJ328_COUNT0_G_20130214210701.jpg

thats not such a great stat.
What do you mean? That says he's just like Kobe. Optimism for the win.

*dangit CGG

aamcguy
02-25-2013, 12:05 PM
I can't exactly remember for sure, but weren't the pacers 2-11 against winning teams at one point? If correct, that's quite a bit of turnaround (or win/loss turnover for the teams the pacers played.)

Derek2k3
02-25-2013, 12:09 PM
Pacers are now 11-10 on the road after starting 1-6. So, the overall record of 12-16 isn't good, but the trend is.

Naptown_Seth
02-27-2013, 10:30 PM
I realize that full season stats and W-L are the bottom line in the thinking that you proved you could do it all year. But for the bottom line goal of a title, clearly the trend coming into the playoffs is more critical than a hot or cold NOV. So the Pacers haven't proven it all year, and of course FEB is very home friendly, but any fan following the team sees the clear improvement they've had and how much they've developed as a cohesive unit the last 2 years.

There is no doubt that they are playing their finest basketball right now, including last year in the playoffs, etc.


Lebron is scorching and has put Miami on his back to have them on a great run too, so the Pacrers aren't the faves still. But all these W-L stats do have a skew of "they weren't as good for that first month". This isn't a change in schedule where it got easier or something, or that Danny returned (if he had come back on Dec 10 lets say). This is a team playing differently in the way that the Pistons stepped it up when Sheed joined them that season.

KStat was just defending their own season long defensive stats and saying that the real judgement should be on what they became when Sheed joined the team. That same reasoning applies here, but with the point of change just being around GSW or so when Paul kicked it up or maybe Jan 1-10 range when West, Lance and Hill all came out of slumps to join Paul at a really high level.

Downtown Bang!
02-28-2013, 06:15 AM
I'm starting to view this team like the 94 team. With that group nothing that happened before they hit rock bottom at 16-23 in January mattered when the playoffs started. Everything that happended after that low point was important to the playoff run.

For this Pacer team I'm feeling the loss at Golden State is the demarcation point.

Richard_Skull
02-28-2013, 06:52 PM
http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-WJ328_COUNT0_G_20130214210701.jpg

thats not such a great stat.

If my math is right (seeing I did it in my head), PG would have to make his next 22 shots to match Irving.

TinManJoshua
02-28-2013, 07:16 PM
If my math is right (seeing I did it in my head), PG would have to make his next 22 shots to match Irving.

I hadn't even processed it in those terms, I just notice he was 0fer in winning time.