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McKeyFan
02-22-2013, 08:03 PM
Decrease Tyler's minutes. Give Granger more time at the 4.

Increase Ian's minutes. Increase OJ's minutes.

Playoff roster descending by minutes played:

PG
Hill
Lance
West
Granger
Hibbert
Mahinmi
OJ
Augustin
Tyler

OJ is looking too good not to use more. We need better play from the 4, which Granger provides. It wouldn't kill me if Frank tightened things up more, let Lance play the backup point minutes and let Granger and Ian get most of Tyler's. Our defense would become even that much better.

pacers74
02-22-2013, 08:14 PM
DJ's time will decrease when Lance runs the second unit.

able
02-22-2013, 09:37 PM
glad you're not the coach, shivers!

BlueNGold
02-22-2013, 09:43 PM
I don't think people are going to understand what Lance does for the team for awhile. The game of basketball is a lot more than shooting from 25 feet out.

BlueCollarColts
02-22-2013, 09:44 PM
I agree Orlando needs more minutes, but how can we play D.J., Lance, and OJ against Miami? I think it will slide in the 1st round but what about when we play LeBron? A 6'5 Orlando Johnson can't cover LeBron, I think OJ can play the back-up 3 against nearly every team in the playoffs but Miami in the East, but when LeBron goes to the bench, put Paul George on the bench and play OJ

BlueCollarColts
02-22-2013, 09:45 PM
if playing OJ more means cutting into Lance's minutes I am against it

aamcguy
02-22-2013, 09:47 PM
I agree Orlando needs more minutes, but how can we play D.J., Lance, and OJ against Miami? I think it will slide in the 1st round but what about when we play LeBron? A 6'5 Orlando Johnson can't cover LeBron, I think OJ can play the back-up 3 against nearly every team in the playoffs but Miami in the East, but when LeBron goes to the bench, put Paul George on the bench and play OJ

Are you assuming Danny Granger is done for the year???

Because in the playoffs I doubt we ever play without 1 of Granger/George out there. I don't think we should go small ball unless necessary unlike the OP suggests, but I don't think you'll ever have a problem w/ a guard trying to play against a true SF.

D-BONE
02-22-2013, 09:52 PM
I've got to see where Granger is in some game action before I say anything about who's playing on what unit, how much, etc. It's feasible, although by no means certain, that things play out such that Lance stays in the starting unit and Granger comes off the bench for the remainder.

Whatever the case, it's a good problem to have with so many guys playing well. Regardless of whether Lance or DG plays off the bench, I'd suspect Vogel will distribute between Lance, DJ, Young, OJ based on matchups and/or the hot hand. Despite DJ's defensive shortcomings, IMO he's steadily improved after the abysmal start to a point where offensively he's playing quite well in his role. OJ/Young might be platooned based on offense/defense needs.

tadscout
02-22-2013, 10:17 PM
Lance and OJ initiate our offense as much or more than or pg's it seems... so I'd have no issue benching DJ (seems like he dribbles the ball up the court and stands there waiting for a teammate to find him for an open three... so to me, OJ offers more on O and D).

Always have either PG or Danny on the court playing SF at all times and have a backcourt rotation of Hill, PG, Lance, and OJ...

BlueCollarColts
02-22-2013, 10:18 PM
Are you assuming Danny Granger is done for the year???

Because in the playoffs I doubt we ever play without 1 of Granger/George out there. I don't think we should go small ball unless necessary unlike the OP suggests, but I don't think you'll ever have a problem w/ a guard trying to play against a true SF.
lol, my bad, I just completely forgot about Granger there for a second, yea, I don't see how he can get too many minutes without cutting into Lance's minutes, I just completely spaced Granger..... lol....... we will be DEADLY in the playoffs

Goyle
02-22-2013, 10:26 PM
Sucks, OJ's been playing so well, but I imagine a primarily 3 wing rotation with Young getting what's left over for defensive purposes.

Kid Minneapolis
02-22-2013, 10:36 PM
To me the line-up situation is real simple: Put Granger in place of Green in the second unit and you're done. If Granger plays so well to squeeze into the starting unit eventually, then so be it, but don't force it. I look at our starting unit and I'm fine with it. I look at our second unit, and I'm fine with it except for SF, which just so happens to be what Granger does best. It's a duh situation, to me. First unit --- Hill, Lance, PG, West, Hibbert. Second unit --- DJ, OJ, Granger, Hansbrough, Mahinmi. We almost have two starting-capable units. Granger would be that #1 scoring option for the bench that is currently lacking.... until he eases into the starting role, if that even happens this year. With only 27 games left, I don't know if I'd go tinkering too much with what's working right now, unless the coaching staff just felt that Granger had progressed so much that it was the obvious choice to make.

xIndyFan
02-22-2013, 10:49 PM
JMO, but you guys are trying too hard to fix something that isn't broken. Danny comes back. Pacers play a 3 wing rotation of Paul, Danny and Lance. OJ becomes the spot shooter that Redick might have done if the trade for him went thru. OJ is shooting well, very well. He's not playing well enough to take Danny's or Paul's or Lance's minutes. If Lance has a melt-down like tonight, OJ will play more, otherwise not.

Frank is not going to sit DJ down going into the playoffs. He is too trustworthy to not play. Tyler, Ian and DJA will get their minutes. At this point what the Pacers are going to do is pretty much set. It's just a matter of waiting to see if the magic works or not.

Pacerized
02-22-2013, 11:11 PM
I don't want to see Tyler's role decreased. I want Ian to play behind Roy but he doesn't bring what we need to the 4 like Tyler does. Granger should get his pt primarily from Green and DJ while Lance picks up the backup pg role. By the end of the season Granger will get as many minutes PG and West followed by Hill and Hibbert. Lance will play a littler less and unfortunately OJ will not be a primary rotation player but it's not a bad thing when the team is that good. I like what I'm seeing from OJ right now though.

Since86
02-22-2013, 11:42 PM
I don't think people are going to understand what Lance does for the team for awhile. The game of basketball is a lot more than shooting from 25 feet out.

Lance stands in the corner quite a bit of the time. If you move him into the backup pg/combo role, you give him better opportunities for him to do what he does. Right now, he's fighting against GH and PG to push the ball. He either has to get the rebound himself, or demand the outlet. If you put him in a role where he's the natural outlet, it results in those extra opportunities.

I'm a pretty big Lance fan. I've been on his "side" since the beginning. Lance is at his best for spurts. I think you can manufacture those opportunities especially with how good of a defensive and rebounding team as the Pacers. Lance is an energy guys. Those are usually star bench players. Like how Jamaal Crawford is used. (not in style)

It's just a difference of opinion, not a lacking of knowledge.

McKeyFan
02-23-2013, 06:21 AM
I may not have been as clear as possible. A few of you seem to have got it. I'm saying decrease Tyler's minutes and give them to Danny. Give those extra 10 minutes or so at the wing to OJ.

BlueNGold
02-23-2013, 08:42 AM
I may not have been as clear as possible. A few of you seem to have got it. I'm saying decrease Tyler's minutes and give them to Danny. Give those extra 10 minutes or so at the wing to OJ.

I'm not convinced that OJ is more than a flash in the pan. But we do need to keep feeding him and see where it goes.

But I do like the idea of giving Danny time at the 4. It's just for different reasons. He's 6'9" and a strong player who is maturing into his body. He can defend the position and make life difficult for another 4 trying to guard him. Big time mismatch and I like it especially for this team. It frees up the SF position for Paul George. I really don't like Paul at the 2 because he hits the boards so well. Why give that up having him guard a little SG 30 feet from the rim??? IMO Paul is easily the best player and he's probably the best player in Pacer history including ABA. Yes. ABA too. He should be playing his natural position.

The key question. Do you really think if Paul came first that Danny would supplant him at SF?

We'll see how Danny does, but it's time to move past the idea that he has to be the starting SF. IMO, I truly believe that both Lance and Paul George are better basketball players. My only question is whether Lance should start at PG or SG.

Understandably, this is a nice problem to have. I don't think West or Hibbert should come off the bench. The best option might be to have Lance start at PG and have Danny and Paul on the wing with West and Hibbert at the 4 and 5 positions. ...leaving George Hill as a perfect combo guard 6th man. Of course, that leaves the question about who guards the other team's SG.

Pacerized
02-23-2013, 08:53 AM
I may not have been as clear as possible. A few of you seem to have got it. I'm saying decrease Tyler's minutes and give them to Danny. Give those extra 10 minutes or so at the wing to OJ.

I think the teams better off letting Tyler have those minutes. Grangers minutes have to come from somewhere but I'd rather see him stay at the wing and take all of those minutes from our current wing rotation while Lance gets split between the 1/2.

Pacerized
02-23-2013, 09:00 AM
We'll see how Danny does, but it's time to move past the idea that he has to be the starting SF. IMO, I truly believe that both Lance and Paul George are better basketball players. My only question is whether Lance should start at PG or SG.

It's still questionable as to if PG is better. He will be at first but as of last year Granger was still the better scorer and that's not all he does for this team. Lance isn't even close to Grangers level. They'll both be free agents at the same time and I'll bet Granger nets 2-3 times what Lance does on the market. Closer to 3, I'd say Danny gets an offer in the 10-12 mil range and I don't see Lance getting more then 4.

McKeyFan
02-23-2013, 09:38 AM
I think the teams better off letting Tyler have those minutes. Grangers minutes have to come from somewhere but I'd rather see him stay at the wing and take all of those minutes from our current wing rotation while Lance gets split between the 1/2.
That opinion has merit as well, obviously. But here's another way to look at it: during the playoffs, with a scaled down rotation, does giving Tyler 10 minutes or OJ 10 minutes help us more? I think Danny at the 4 with OJ on the wing helps us more.

Tyler just is appearing more and more like a liability to me with his defense, rebounding, and low fg percentage. Granted, he's improving somewhat and he's getting to the line a lot. He also has that crazy, psycho intangible that is probably good for playoff ball. Hmmm . . . maybe I'm talking myself out of this.

McKeyFan
02-23-2013, 09:40 AM
It's still questionable as to if PG is better. He will be at first but as of last year Granger was still the better scorer and that's not all he does for this team. Lance isn't even close to Grangers level. They'll both be free agents at the same time and I'll bet Granger nets 2-3 times what Lance does on the market. Closer to 3, I'd say Danny gets an offer in the 10-12 mil range and I don't see Lance getting more then 4.

Well, we'll just have to see. If I was another GM, I would be offering a lot of money for Lance as a restricted free agent.

SMosley21
02-23-2013, 09:40 AM
To me the line-up situation is real simple: Put Granger in place of Green in the second unit and you're done. If Granger plays so well to squeeze into the starting unit eventually, then so be it, but don't force it. I look at our starting unit and I'm fine with it. I look at our second unit, and I'm fine with it except for SF, which just so happens to be what Granger does best. It's a duh situation, to me. First unit --- Hill, Lance, PG, West, Hibbert. Second unit --- DJ, OJ, Granger, Hansbrough, Mahinmi. We almost have two starting-capable units. Granger would be that #1 scoring option for the bench that is currently lacking.... until he eases into the starting role, if that even happens this year. With only 27 games left, I don't know if I'd go tinkering too much with what's working right now, unless the coaching staff just felt that Granger had progressed so much that it was the obvious choice to make.

^^^ Best use of common sense award

McKeyFan
02-23-2013, 09:42 AM
To me the line-up situation is real simple: Put Granger in place of Green in the second unit and you're done.

Green isn't in the rotation any more.

SMosley21
02-23-2013, 09:45 AM
It's still questionable as to if PG is better. He will be at first but as of last year Granger was still the better scorer and that's not all he does for this team. Lance isn't even close to Grangers level. They'll both be free agents at the same time and I'll bet Granger nets 2-3 times what Lance does on the market. Closer to 3, I'd say Danny gets an offer in the 10-12 mil range and I don't see Lance getting more then 4.


Some team will offer a whole lot more than 4 mil per for Lance, assuming he continues to flourish (which we have no reason to believe he won't). If Steve Blake can get 4 mil per, at the age of 32, Lance can easily expect $6 mil per when/if he hits the open market.

BlueNGold
02-23-2013, 10:08 AM
^^^ Best use of common sense award

Agreed. We are playing better than we have played since JO prime years. I see no reason to take Lance out of the lineup to fit in Granger when we know Granger will get his minutes. Danny should backup Paul or move to PF unless they go big. If they go big we kill them btw.

aamcguy
02-23-2013, 11:10 AM
That opinion has merit as well, obviously. But here's another way to look at it: during the playoffs, with a scaled down rotation, does giving Tyler 10 minutes or OJ 10 minutes help us more? I think Danny at the 4 with OJ on the wing helps us more.

Tyler just is appearing more and more like a liability to me with his defense, rebounding, and low fg percentage. Granted, he's improving somewhat and he's getting to the line a lot. He also has that crazy, psycho intangible that is probably good for playoff ball. Hmmm . . . maybe I'm talking myself out of this.

I think you're letting last season's performance affect your opinion of him this year. His post defense has been excellent this year, and his team defense is improving. He's actually our fourth strongest rebounder, and he's only behind Hibbert in terms of rebounding per minute. So interms of production, he's a very good rebounder for us.

His FG %, while still low for his position, is offset by the fact that he DOES get to the line a lot. But even then, he's basically shooting the team average so even though he's helping the FG% problem our team has had much of the year, what he's been doing hasn't really hurt us either.



Some team will offer a whole lot more than 4 mil per for Lance, assuming he continues to flourish (which we have no reason to believe he won't). If Steve Blake can get 4 mil per, at the age of 32, Lance can easily expect $6 mil per when/if he hits the open market.

6 would be a reasonable guess, but keep in mind players do not always get paid their market value. Blake is on the high end, probably because he's a point guard, while guys like Jamal Crawford (5 mil per) are getting the low end recently because of the CBA.

CableKC
02-23-2013, 11:38 AM
Assuming that Vogel will continue to give GH/PG/Lance/West/Hibbert/Mahinmi their current # of minutes, we are likely looking at the rotation as follows ( where Lance continues to get 28 mpg....which Vogel said he will continue to do ):

PG - GH ( 32 mpg ) / DJ ( 16 mpg )
SG - PG ( 18 mpg ) / Lance ( 28 mpg ) / GH ( 2 mpg )
SF - Granger ( 32 mpg ) / PG ( 16 mpg )
PF - West ( 33 mpg ) / Hansbrough ( 15 mpg )
C - Hibbert ( 28 mpg ) / Mahinmi ( 20 mpg )

The way I look at it....the rotations will likely tighten up come Playoff time to a 9 man rotation. The reality is that Players like OJ/Green/Young won't likely get any minutes when it's Playoff/Crunch Time. I like what OJ has done...but his improvement will likely cost Young and Green minutes...not Granger or Hansbrough.

IMHO....I think that Hansbrough in HUGE doses on a regular basis isn't always beneficial ( based off of the matchup ). But in 15-16 mpg....that's a different story. His skill to get to the FT line while getting Players in Foul Trouble...is really underrated, forgotten and very important come Playoff time. He's able to do a lot of damage during the minimal amount of time he plays....while his aggressive defense is able to get under the skins of a lot of Teams ( which I like ). In other words, he's very effective..in small doses.

I agree...my overall preference is to reduce the # of minutes that West play to roughly 30 mpg ( cuz the Playoffs is a marathon...not a race )....instead of the 33 mpg that he currently plays....while giving those spot 3 backup PF minutes to Granger.....but I am guessing that the key Starters ( GH / PG / Granger / West ) will be pushing 33 to 35 mpg in the Playoffs...with Lance getting up to 30 mpg.

CableKC
02-23-2013, 11:44 AM
Some team will offer a whole lot more than 4 mil per for Lance, assuming he continues to flourish (which we have no reason to believe he won't). If Steve Blake can get 4 mil per, at the age of 32, Lance can easily expect $6 mil per when/if he hits the open market.
I assume that because Lance is a 2nd round pick....that some Team will be d*cks about it and will try to Jeremy Lin / Omar Asik the Pacers....by offering a huge poison pill contract offer that is heavily skewed in the last year of his contract offer. it will be something like some $4 mil / $4 mil / $10 mil contract offer.

IMHO....the Pacers should engage Lance in an extension in the upcoming summer....just to avoid having him hit the FA Market in 2014-2015....cuz some Team will do to the Pacers what the Rockets did to the Knicks.

imawhat
02-23-2013, 11:47 AM
OJ has already surpassed my expectations as a basketball player. He's making his shots of course, but it goes beyond that. I thought he was a Stephen Graham level player but he's beyond that. He makes very good decisions on offense and shoots within the flow. He's strong and has great balance. He also has a quick release. But what I didn't expect is that he's quick and strong enough to guard the big, physical point guards. I think he gives us the flexibility to move Lance to PG on offense.

I'm impressed.

SMosley21
02-23-2013, 11:48 AM
I assume that because Lance is a 2nd round pick....that some Team will be d*cks about it and will try to Jeremy Lin / Omar Asik the Pacers....by offering a huge poison pill contract offer that is heavily skewed in the last year of his contract offer. it will be something like some $4 mil / $4 mil / $10 mil contract offer.

IMHO....the Pacers should engage Lance in an extension in the upcoming summer....just to avoid having him hit the FA Market in 2014-2015....cuz some Team will do to the Pacers what the Rockets did to the Knicks.

Completely agree. The front office should be trying to lock up PG and Lance THIS SUMMER, not next. If they can't, they can't, but they should at the very least be trying to.

Pacerized
02-23-2013, 01:36 PM
Some team will offer a whole lot more than 4 mil per for Lance, assuming he continues to flourish (which we have no reason to believe he won't). If Steve Blake can get 4 mil per, at the age of 32, Lance can easily expect $6 mil per when/if he hits the open market.
I don't think he gets that kind of offer but if you're right he's gone. Bottom line is if we want to keep Granger, West, and PG then our bench needs to fit within a tight budget and since we already have Ian at 4 mil we really won't be able to afford another player at more then 2-3 mil. I hate that but in reality I think both Lance and Tyler will most likely have to go. I'd rather keep Lance then Tyler but it's more important to keep Granger then either player. We might want to move Lance for a pick this summer or package him with Green to get rid of Green's contract. I really hate to see the team make these hard decisions but they'll have to be made.

solid
02-23-2013, 03:15 PM
Trading Danny will bring a better return and more cap space than both Lance and Tyler.
He also overlaps with Paul. If hard choices need to be made I'd give up the luxury of having two starting small forwards.
Also Lance has great potential and Danny has limited years left to play. Also if OJ can continue to stroke like he's been doing he will fulfill the greatest benefit of having Danny anyway.
This summer I'd look to move Danny for a draft pick, a good back up, and maybe a retiring player to balance the money.
If we can move Green at the same time - even better.

Kid Minneapolis
02-23-2013, 04:13 PM
Green isn't in the rotation any more.

Because PG has been playin both starter and backup for the most part. Watch the rotations; around the 2:00 mark in the 1st quarter, Vogel starts taking his starters out and PG plays well into the 2nd quarter and when PG goes out they sorta play these weird lineups until the starters all return by the 6-7:00 minute mark of the 2nd quarter..... DJ, OJ, Hansbrough Mahinmi, and they'll bring back GHill or DWest early to round it out.

Day-V
02-23-2013, 04:18 PM
Pulp is the friggin' man.

aamcguy
02-23-2013, 06:35 PM
I assume that because Lance is a 2nd round pick....that some Team will be d*cks about it and will try to Jeremy Lin / Omar Asik the Pacers....by offering a huge poison pill contract offer that is heavily skewed in the last year of his contract offer. it will be something like some $4 mil / $4 mil / $10 mil contract offer.

IMHO....the Pacers should engage Lance in an extension in the upcoming summer....just to avoid having him hit the FA Market in 2014-2015....cuz some Team will do to the Pacers what the Rockets did to the Knicks.

They won't do that because the only team it would screw would be their own. Lance will be an unrestricted free agent, so we won't have the power to match him.

cgg
02-23-2013, 07:06 PM
Playoffs is matchups and adjustments. The player that is needed will play.

Example: Dahntay didn't play against Orlando because he sucks defending off screens and Barbosa is good at it. Against Miami Dahntay comes back because he's a better on ball defender and Wade doesn't use screens like the Magic do.

Pacerized
02-23-2013, 07:18 PM
They won't do that because the only team it would screw would be their own. Lance will be an unrestricted free agent, so we won't have the power to match him.


Aren't 2cd round picks still restricted coming off their rookie deal? I think we have the power to match anything he gets and I honestly love how Lance has developed into a solid rotational player however any team that pays him more then MLE money is just being stupid, he's not worth more then that. It's unfortunate that the Pacers can't even afford him if he goes for that much, not if they plan to keep Granger.

cgg
02-23-2013, 07:21 PM
Aren't 2cd round picks still restricted coming off their rookie deal? I think we have the power to match anything he gets and I honestly love how Lance has developed into a solid rotational player however any team that pays him more then MLE money is just being stupid, he's not worth more then that. It's unfortunate that the Pacers can't even afford him if he goes for that much, not if they plan to keep Granger.

I think 2nd round picks are only restricted if they are coming off of a 3yr contact or less for some reason.

aamcguy
02-24-2013, 09:30 AM
I think 2nd round picks are only restricted if they are coming off of a 3yr contact or less for some reason.

Here's the rule:

For first-round draft picks, restricted free agency is only allowed after a team exercises its option for a fourth year, and the team makes a Qualifying Offer at the Rookie-scale amount after the fourth year is completed. For any other player to be a restricted free agent, he must be at most a three-year NBA veteran, and his team must have made a Qualifying Offer for either 125% of his previous season's salary or the minimum salary plus $200,000, whichever offer is higher.

Nuntius
02-24-2013, 10:21 AM
Tyler just is appearing more and more like a liability to me with his defense, rebounding, and low fg percentage. Granted, he's improving somewhat and he's getting to the line a lot. He also has that crazy, psycho intangible that is probably good for playoff ball. Hmmm . . . maybe I'm talking myself out of this.

Tyler has been pretty good defensively this season.

I have no problem with his minutes but I agree that OJ should continue to get some minutes.

Pacerized
02-24-2013, 10:45 AM
Here's the rule:

For first-round draft picks, restricted free agency is only allowed after a team exercises its option for a fourth year, and the team makes a Qualifying Offer at the Rookie-scale amount after the fourth year is completed. For any other player to be a restricted free agent, he must be at most a three-year NBA veteran, and his team must have made a Qualifying Offer for either 125% of his previous season's salary or the minimum salary plus $200,000, whichever offer is higher.

Lance was drafted in 2010 and the team has a team option for $981,349 for next year. He should be fully restricted with no poison pill option then.
It really won't matter if we decide to keep West and Granger though since the team will be on a tight budget for the bench. He just doesn't have the right to sign with another team unless the Pacers want to let him walk. As much as he is valued here I still don't think a combo guard that averages 8.5 ppg starting will even get an MLE offer from another team and his numbers are likely to drop once Granger fully recovers.

aamcguy
02-24-2013, 11:05 AM
Lance was drafted in 2010 and the team has a team option for $981,349 for next year. He should be fully restricted with no poison pill option then.
It really won't matter if we decide to keep West and Granger though since the team will be on a tight budget for the bench. He just doesn't have the right to sign with another team unless the Pacers want to let him walk. As much as he is valued here I still don't think a combo guard that averages 8.5 ppg starting will even get an MLE offer from another team and his numbers are likely to drop once Granger fully recovers.

Well you are right but are applying the wrong rule. That is the rule for a first round pick. However, 2nd round picks and nondrafted free agents follow the second clause, which is that they have to have only been in the league 3 or fewer years so far. Since Lance signed a 4 year contract, we don't get him as an RFA.

McKeyFan
02-24-2013, 01:14 PM
Well you are right but are applying the wrong rule. That is the rule for a first round pick. However, 2nd round picks and nondrafted free agents follow the second clause, which is that they have to have only been in the league 3 or fewer years so far. Since Lance signed a 4 year contract, we don't get him as an RFA.
This is huge.

You mean if Lance doesn't agree to a contract extension, we may lose him?

Goyle
02-24-2013, 01:23 PM
This is huge.

You mean if Lance doesn't agree to a contract extension, we may lose him?

Yep. Since we signed him to a guaranteed 4 year deal, when he's up he's free to go.

cgg
02-24-2013, 01:34 PM
This is huge.

You mean if Lance doesn't agree to a contract extension, we may lose him?

He was a Lakers fan growing up. :-p

Naptown_Seth
02-24-2013, 04:44 PM
Sucks, OJ's been playing so well, but I imagine a primarily 3 wing rotation with Young getting what's left over for defensive purposes.
I agree. OJ will have a couple of games where he gets in and hits a big shot and gets some fame with the locals for it, like James Jones hitting shots for Miami, but overall Young is a bit more of a go-to guy due to not just his defense but his overall outstanding game awareness. He fills tons of holes during the course of a play.

Green is obviously out and DJ will see very limited minutes. Tyler will be a bit like OJ, as the need arises but totally missing at other points.

That's the nature of the beast. Good stories on the bench but the rotation tightens for the playoffs. You've got about 20 minute past the big 6 per game, so 10 for Ian (more on Roy fouls) and 10 for Tyler/Young/OJ/DJ. They can have huge moments, but not big "games" overall. Unless something goes really wrong.

40 - Paul, Hill, West (24 left at those spots)
30 - Roy, Danny (36 left at those spots)
30 - Lance (leaves you with 30, not 20)

So if Danny isn't back up to the 40 minute starters level and you don't like Lance at 35+ minutes, then there will be holes for guys to fit into. Of course "only" 40 for PG, Hill or even West in a close playoff game might also be unlikely. PG could definitely see some 44-46 minute outings.


Ian = I need another big with size, Roy has fouls
Tyler = I need an energy boost or rebounds, West or Roy has fouls
Young = I need a breather for wings without losing defense on James/Wade
OJ = I need some 3pt makes, PG, Danny, Hill are off
DJ = I need handles getting up court, some 3s maybe, want to rest Hill or maybe go small

Naptown_Seth
02-24-2013, 04:46 PM
Pulp is the friggin' man.

See, I think he picked the wrong nickname because to me he is the no-pulp Pure Premium OJ, the good stuff worth a few more bucks. ;)

But I've still been yelling Pulp anyway.

cgg
02-24-2013, 05:45 PM
As someone who has lived in Florida for 20 years, I find your taste in orange juice disturbing.