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Jrod Jones
02-20-2013, 04:54 PM
Just saw this on ESPN today and thought it was interesting...


In his illustrious college career at North Carolina, Tyler Hansbrough became the school's all-time scoring leader. And while that hasn't translated very well to the NBA, the Pacers backup power forward is starting to show big improvement on the defensive end.

Synergy Sports Technology shows that Hansbrough is among the very best post up defenders in the NBA this season, allowing just 0.453 points per play. That ranks in the 98th percentile league-wide, and is light years ahead of where Hansbrough was at in previous seasons. Last year, he allow 0.902 PPP when defending the post (32nd percentile) and the year before he was at 0.97 (29th percentile).

Under Frank Vogel, the Pacers lead the league in defensive efficiency and have a number of players (David West, George Hill) committed to that side of the court. What the numbers above indicate is that Hansbrough is one of them.

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/nba/rumors/post?id=2544

Anyone else surprised? I mean, I have definitely seen improvement in his defense this year, but I had no idea it was so much better.

Heisenberg
02-20-2013, 05:01 PM
wonder what the sample size is

Mackey_Rose
02-20-2013, 05:01 PM
I hope the other 29 teams are ESPN Insiders.

Unclebuck
02-20-2013, 05:02 PM
I think those defensive stats are worthless.

Tyler has always been a pretty good one-on-one defender. He moves very well laterally, he is extremely strong, aggressive and does a nice job. He's gotten better in team defense, but his pick and roll coverahge still isn't what it should be. His pick and roll technique is usually not very good

notque
02-20-2013, 05:11 PM
The wide legs move that he does which is similar to Jeff Foster (I assume he learned it from him) has been very effective to give him a base that's hard to move.

Kid Minneapolis
02-20-2013, 05:16 PM
I've always felt Hansbrough to be a pretty damned effective post defender, he's physical and a fighter and strong. He might not be skying for blocks, but I do think he makes it hard for similarly-sized post guys to score on him. I don't have stats to back it up, this is just based on watching him. I rarely yell at the screen at him, so that's a good thing. I do that more with Lance and Gerald Green, who both have lapses in team defense.

Gamble1
02-20-2013, 05:21 PM
I think those defensive stats are worthless.

Tyler has always been a pretty good one-on-one defender. He moves very well laterally, he is extremely strong, aggressive and does a nice job. He's gotten better in team defense, but his pick and roll coverahge still isn't what it should be. His pick and roll technique is usually not very good

I wonder how much Ian vs Lou affects Tyler stats.

Since86
02-20-2013, 05:21 PM
Just a reflection of how good the Pacers are as a defensive squad. IMHO.

cgg
02-20-2013, 05:24 PM
Synergy says he's allowed .45 points per possession on 53 post up plays.

Last year he allowed .91 ppp on 95 post up plays.

The year before that he allowed .95 ppp on 110 post up plays.

Heisenberg
02-20-2013, 05:29 PM
Synergy says he's allowed .45 points per possession on 53 post up plays.

Last year he allowed .91 ppp on 95 post up plays.

The year before that he allowed .95 ppp on 110 post up plays.So that includes points from free throws right? Because he's cut his foul rate a decent amount this year.

ChicagoJ
02-20-2013, 05:30 PM
Just another exercise to show that stats can be made to prove anything?

ChicagoJ
02-20-2013, 05:31 PM
Synergy says he's allowed .45 points per possession on 53 post up plays.

Last year he allowed .91 ppp on 95 post up plays.

The year before that he allowed .95 ppp on 110 post up plays.

That's certainly improvement, but one should also consider that he's playing against second-unit post players. Maybe they're just shooting as poor a % as Roy?

Slick Pinkham
02-20-2013, 05:33 PM
If teams only watch Tyler play the Heat then we might get more for him. He seems extra-caffeinated vs. Miami, and it strangely works out in a good way for us. I've never noticed much defense though, even in those games.

Pacer Fan
02-20-2013, 05:36 PM
And here we just treat him like a piece of meat. Just a piece of meat, man.

Sir Charles

Goyle
02-20-2013, 05:43 PM
I always thought he was pretty good in one and one situations, and I love his blitzing of pick and rolls.


Synergy says he's allowed .45 points per possession on 53 post up plays.

Last year he allowed .91 ppp on 95 post up plays.

The year before that he allowed .95 ppp on 110 post up plays.

Do you need to pay for it to check out previous season stats?

cgg
02-20-2013, 05:47 PM
So that includes points from free throws right? Because he's cut his foul rate a decent amount this year.

Yes, it includes everything. Turnovers, fouls, etc.

pathil275
02-20-2013, 05:48 PM
Someone better gonna tell Orlando. (Redick)

cgg
02-20-2013, 05:48 PM
I always thought he was pretty good in one and one situations, and I love his blitzing of pick and rolls.



Do you need to pay for it to check out previous season stats?

I'm not sure. It's showing me 4 years. I can look some stuff up if you want.

cgg
02-20-2013, 05:50 PM
That's certainly improvement, but one should also consider that he's playing against second-unit post players. Maybe they're just shooting as poor a % as Roy?

Greg Monroe posted him up 4 times and didn't score. We're comparing him to his previous seasons anyway.

cgg
02-20-2013, 05:55 PM
This year there are shooting fouls on 3.8% of his post up defense plays and TO on 13.2%

Last year was 11.6% SF% and 6.3% TO%

The year before 13.6% and 7.3%

So it looks like Heisenberg's point has some merit.

Mr.ThunderMakeR
02-20-2013, 06:05 PM
I've always thought Tyler gets a bum rap around here, probably due to last year. I think he is our 2nd best player (and oftentimes 1st) off the bench this year. I understand that money-wise he probably won't work out here, but I'd love to keep him if possible. I think he is a big part of our smash-mouth identity.

Nuntius
02-20-2013, 11:34 PM
Thanks for the stats, cgg. Tyler has been an improved defender this season. It's great to see :D

xIndyFan
02-20-2013, 11:49 PM
I am surprised at this. I do know Frank always has good things to say about Tyler. Always thought that was just Frank-speak. But maybe there is something to it. Boy I hope so, it would be nice to have, continue to have, good play from another guy.

naptownmenace
02-21-2013, 01:57 AM
Just from watching him play it's apparent that he's much better this year at denying his man position. He does a good job of forcing his man away from the baseline and towards the paint. He's not falling for pump fakes like in years past too.

These numbers don't lie because Tyler also passes the eye test.

MnvrChvy
02-21-2013, 12:51 PM
Tyler is disruptive. Last year it seemed to me that he got some bad calls against him and some egregious no-calls on offense.

Midcoasted
02-21-2013, 05:47 PM
I've been saying this all along. I have been ridiculed for it as well. Hansbrough is one of the best defenders on this team. Right behind Hibbert and George in my book, and they are both elite so he is in good company. It is good to see my frequently bashed opinion expressed by a professional backed up by stats. It would be a mistake for us to let this guy go. He is a great all around defender, gets under the skin of almost everyone he plays against because he goes HAM, and his offensive game is showing steady improvement in several areas. He has not hit his ceiling yet and can still improve the next few years, while West will almost surely decline the next few years just because of old man time. I could be wrong, and I know my opinion is in the extreme minority, but I think Hansbrough is the better option going forward after this year. Pendy can hold his weight as the back up and everyone is sleeping on Plumlee big time. Larry Bird usually wins with time, you will see. lol

SMosley21
02-21-2013, 06:08 PM
Here's Tyler with a monkey...

http://i45.tinypic.com/2woghaa.jpg

cgg
02-21-2013, 06:14 PM
I've been saying this all along. I have been ridiculed for it as well. Hansbrough is one of the best defenders on this team. Right behind Hibbert and George in my book, and they are both elite so he is in good company. It is good to see my frequently bashed opinion expressed by a professional backed up by stats. It would be a mistake for us to let this guy go. He is a great all around defender, gets under the skin of almost everyone he plays against because he goes HAM, and his offensive game is showing steady improvement in several areas. He has not hit his ceiling yet and can still improve the next few years, while West will almost surely decline the next few years just because of old man time. I could be wrong, and I know my opinion is in the extreme minority, but I think Hansbrough is the better option going forward after this year. Pendy can hold his weight as the back up and everyone is sleeping on Plumlee big time. Larry Bird usually wins with time, you will see. lol

I think that the areas that he is good at defensively is an important dimension to some match-ups we run into, and compliment some weaknesses of our other bigs.

Rogco
02-21-2013, 08:42 PM
I think if you've been watching the games, you'll have notice that Tyler has been a good defender. I didn't think that good, but no one ever abuses Tyler. He also does an amazing job of just pissing people off. Then again, I've been ridiculed for defending his D in the past, so I'm sure some people haven't noticed....