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Trader Joe
02-19-2013, 12:49 PM
Starting this now.

Bucks, Suns, Jazz, Nets, Magic and Celtics all playing tonight.

Here's a thingy on Josh smith
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/54926/hawks-seem-determined-to-deal-josh-smith

Mr.ThunderMakeR
02-19-2013, 01:24 PM
Broussard, furthermore, tweeted early Tuesday that the Washington Wizards have made anyone on the roster available for Smith, apart from John Wall, Bradley Beal and Nene. That was good for a laugh.

Lance George
02-19-2013, 01:25 PM
I always love those sort of notes.

"We want your guy. We'll give you anyone on our roster for him except our good players."

I really wish some big rumors would start up, or any rumor with the Pacers involved. I need a little excitement in my life.

cgg
02-19-2013, 01:27 PM
If there are Pacers rumors, that will be a sure sign that nothing will happen.

Trader Joe
02-19-2013, 01:28 PM
Here are seven trades that "Should Happen" according to Tom Haberstroh

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/PerDiem-130219/nba-seven-trades-happen

Including this doozy for the P's

4. Steve Nash (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/592/steve-nash) to the Indiana Pacers (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/ind/indiana-pacers)

Indiana Pacers receive: Steve Nash, Metta World Peace (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/25/metta-world-peace), Jordan Hill (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3994/jordan-hill) andSteve Blake (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1994/steve-blake).
Los Angeles Lakers (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/lal/los-angeles-lakers) receive: Danny Granger (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2760/danny-granger), George Hill (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3438/george-hill),Lance Stephenson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4244/lance-stephenson) and Ben Hansbrough (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6657/ben-hansbrough). The deal in Trade Machine (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=bedq34k).

It's just too painful to watch Nash's talents go to waste inside the ongoing circus in Laker Land. Dwight Howard (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2384/dwight-howard) appears to be allergic to running the pick-and-roll with Nash, which is a basketball crime of the highest degree. Not to mention, Kobe Bryant (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/110/kobe-bryant) is now splitting ballhandling duty, which strips Nash of his wizard-like talents with the rock.
Indiana would be a brilliant landing spot for the two-time MVP, even aside from the obvious fact that Nash looks like he could step in right away for a "Hoosiers" remake. The Pacers rank 24th on offense and sorely need an injection of offensive creativity. Nash hasn't penetrated the paint as he has in the past, but he may just need a change in scenery. And Granger becomes a bit superfluous with Paul George's ascension. Metta World Peace's return to Indiana is a whole separate matter.
As with the Boston scenario above, the Lakers would have be on board with the idea that building for the future is more valuable than a slight chance at a first-round exit this season. In the short term, Hill would give the Lakers a much stronger defensive presence on the ball, and Granger (if and when he's healthy) could help buoy the offense without Nash. A 2013 playoff push wouldn't be ruled out, and Granger becomes a free agent just in time for the 2014 free-agent sweepstakes. This a deal that probably won't happen, but Nash's leading the Pacers against the Heat would be fantastic postseason theater.

Mr.ThunderMakeR
02-19-2013, 01:29 PM
If there are Pacers rumors, that will be a sure sign that nothing will happen.Does the opposite hold true? I hope not.

Heisenberg
02-19-2013, 01:30 PM
Don't get your hopes up. Maybe we'll trade for a new backup point somehow, Eric Maynor maybe. Anything more would surprise me.

Anyway, when you guys are surfing twitter and see "Player X has been traded for Player Y" make sure to check where it's from. Don't get duped by one of those fake accounts.

And Tom Haberstroh's a flat out idiot.

Mackey_Rose
02-19-2013, 01:31 PM
Here are seven trades that "Should Happen" according to Tom Haberstroh

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/PerDiem-130219/nba-seven-trades-happen

Including this doozy for the P's

4. Steve Nash (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/592/steve-nash) to the Indiana Pacers (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/ind/indiana-pacers)

Indiana Pacers receive: Steve Nash, Metta World Peace (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/25/metta-world-peace), Jordan Hill (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3994/jordan-hill) andSteve Blake (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1994/steve-blake).
Los Angeles Lakers (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/lal/los-angeles-lakers) receive: Danny Granger (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2760/danny-granger), George Hill (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3438/george-hill),Lance Stephenson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4244/lance-stephenson) and Ben Hansbrough (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6657/ben-hansbrough). The deal in Trade Machine (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=bedq34k).

It's just too painful to watch Nash's talents go to waste inside the ongoing circus in Laker Land. Dwight Howard (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2384/dwight-howard) appears to be allergic to running the pick-and-roll with Nash, which is a basketball crime of the highest degree. Not to mention, Kobe Bryant (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/110/kobe-bryant) is now splitting ballhandling duty, which strips Nash of his wizard-like talents with the rock.
Indiana would be a brilliant landing spot for the two-time MVP, even aside from the obvious fact that Nash looks like he could step in right away for a "Hoosiers" remake. The Pacers rank 24th on offense and sorely need an injection of offensive creativity. Nash hasn't penetrated the paint as he has in the past, but he may just need a change in scenery. And Granger becomes a bit superfluous with Paul George's ascension. Metta World Peace's return to Indiana is a whole separate matter.
As with the Boston scenario above, the Lakers would have be on board with the idea that building for the future is more valuable than a slight chance at a first-round exit this season. In the short term, Hill would give the Lakers a much stronger defensive presence on the ball, and Granger (if and when he's healthy) could help buoy the offense without Nash. A 2013 playoff push wouldn't be ruled out, and Granger becomes a free agent just in time for the 2014 free-agent sweepstakes. This a deal that probably won't happen, but Nash's leading the Pacers against the Heat would be fantastic postseason theater.

That trade idea reads like it was written by a Miami Heat writer...

cgg
02-19-2013, 01:32 PM
Does the opposite hold true? I hope not.

Nope.

Trader Joe
02-19-2013, 01:33 PM
Here take 3 starting quality players for a 37 year old PG with a bad back, an injury prone big man, and the guy who crippled our franchise for 5 years. Oh yeah, we want Steve Blake too.

cgg
02-19-2013, 01:33 PM
Here are seven trades that "Should Happen" according to Tom Haberstroh

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/PerDiem-130219/nba-seven-trades-happen

Including this doozy for the P's

4. Steve Nash (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/592/steve-nash) to the Indiana Pacers (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/ind/indiana-pacers)

Indiana Pacers receive: Steve Nash, Metta World Peace (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/25/metta-world-peace), Jordan Hill (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3994/jordan-hill) andSteve Blake (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1994/steve-blake).
Los Angeles Lakers (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/lal/los-angeles-lakers) receive: Danny Granger (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2760/danny-granger), George Hill (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3438/george-hill),Lance Stephenson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4244/lance-stephenson) and Ben Hansbrough (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6657/ben-hansbrough). The deal in Trade Machine (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=bedq34k).

It's just too painful to watch Nash's talents go to waste inside the ongoing circus in Laker Land. Dwight Howard (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2384/dwight-howard) appears to be allergic to running the pick-and-roll with Nash, which is a basketball crime of the highest degree. Not to mention, Kobe Bryant (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/110/kobe-bryant) is now splitting ballhandling duty, which strips Nash of his wizard-like talents with the rock.
Indiana would be a brilliant landing spot for the two-time MVP, even aside from the obvious fact that Nash looks like he could step in right away for a "Hoosiers" remake. The Pacers rank 24th on offense and sorely need an injection of offensive creativity. Nash hasn't penetrated the paint as he has in the past, but he may just need a change in scenery. And Granger becomes a bit superfluous with Paul George's ascension. Metta World Peace's return to Indiana is a whole separate matter.
As with the Boston scenario above, the Lakers would have be on board with the idea that building for the future is more valuable than a slight chance at a first-round exit this season. In the short term, Hill would give the Lakers a much stronger defensive presence on the ball, and Granger (if and when he's healthy) could help buoy the offense without Nash. A 2013 playoff push wouldn't be ruled out, and Granger becomes a free agent just in time for the 2014 free-agent sweepstakes. This a deal that probably won't happen, but Nash's leading the Pacers against the Heat would be fantastic postseason theater.

lol at the writer thinking that the Lakers would get worse from this but they might buy in for the future...

bshall
02-19-2013, 01:40 PM
On ESPN they were speculating about Danny Granger being traded. They said we won't be trading him and then proceeded to throw out random scenarios anyway. They came up with Danny and a 1st for Hayward and Millsap which I would jump all over that deal.

Unclebuck
02-19-2013, 01:43 PM
I expect an extremely quiet trade deadline period. Not much will happen at all.

Hicks
02-19-2013, 01:45 PM
Here are seven trades that "Should Happen" according to Tom Haberstroh

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/PerDiem-130219/nba-seven-trades-happen

Including this doozy for the P's

[Nash, Artest, Jordan Hill, Steve Blake for Granger, Hill, Lance, and Ben Hansbrough]

Oh, God...

Unclebuck
02-19-2013, 01:46 PM
That trade idea reads like it was written by a Miami Heat writer...

So we basically trade away Danny, George Hill, and Lance (three starters) for nothing. Would any of those players we acquire be on our roster two years from right now?

KingGeorge_24
02-19-2013, 01:46 PM
My face cringed when i read that trade. We would take HUGE steps back.

Heisenberg
02-19-2013, 01:47 PM
That trade would literally end the franchise in Indianapolis.

yoadknux
02-19-2013, 01:48 PM
Here are seven trades that "Should Happen" according to Tom Haberstroh

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/PerDiem-130219/nba-seven-trades-happen

Including this doozy for the P's

4. Steve Nash (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/592/steve-nash) to the Indiana Pacers (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/ind/indiana-pacers)

Indiana Pacers receive: Steve Nash, Metta World Peace (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/25/metta-world-peace), Jordan Hill (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3994/jordan-hill) andSteve Blake (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1994/steve-blake).
Los Angeles Lakers (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/lal/los-angeles-lakers) receive: Danny Granger (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2760/danny-granger), George Hill (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3438/george-hill),Lance Stephenson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4244/lance-stephenson) and Ben Hansbrough (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6657/ben-hansbrough). The deal in Trade Machine (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=bedq34k).

It's just too painful to watch Nash's talents go to waste inside the ongoing circus in Laker Land. Dwight Howard (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2384/dwight-howard) appears to be allergic to running the pick-and-roll with Nash, which is a basketball crime of the highest degree. Not to mention, Kobe Bryant (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/110/kobe-bryant) is now splitting ballhandling duty, which strips Nash of his wizard-like talents with the rock.
Indiana would be a brilliant landing spot for the two-time MVP, even aside from the obvious fact that Nash looks like he could step in right away for a "Hoosiers" remake. The Pacers rank 24th on offense and sorely need an injection of offensive creativity. Nash hasn't penetrated the paint as he has in the past, but he may just need a change in scenery. And Granger becomes a bit superfluous with Paul George's ascension. Metta World Peace's return to Indiana is a whole separate matter.
As with the Boston scenario above, the Lakers would have be on board with the idea that building for the future is more valuable than a slight chance at a first-round exit this season. In the short term, Hill would give the Lakers a much stronger defensive presence on the ball, and Granger (if and when he's healthy) could help buoy the offense without Nash. A 2013 playoff push wouldn't be ruled out, and Granger becomes a free agent just in time for the 2014 free-agent sweepstakes. This a deal that probably won't happen, but Nash's leading the Pacers against the Heat would be fantastic postseason theater.
I think we should throw in Paul George as well

cgg
02-19-2013, 01:50 PM
I think we should throw in Paul George as well

I guess we should probably ditch David West's expiring contract too. Who needs that? We'll probably need to send them some draft picks though.

Ace E.Anderson
02-19-2013, 01:51 PM
Here are seven trades that "Should Happen" according to Tom Haberstroh

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/PerDiem-130219/nba-seven-trades-happen

Including this doozy for the P's

4. Steve Nash (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/592/steve-nash) to the Indiana Pacers (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/ind/indiana-pacers)

Indiana Pacers receive: Steve Nash, Metta World Peace (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/25/metta-world-peace), Jordan Hill (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3994/jordan-hill) andSteve Blake (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1994/steve-blake).
Los Angeles Lakers (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/lal/los-angeles-lakers) receive: Danny Granger (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2760/danny-granger), George Hill (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3438/george-hill),Lance Stephenson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4244/lance-stephenson) and Ben Hansbrough (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6657/ben-hansbrough). The deal in Trade Machine (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=bedq34k).

It's just too painful to watch Nash's talents go to waste inside the ongoing circus in Laker Land. Dwight Howard (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2384/dwight-howard) appears to be allergic to running the pick-and-roll with Nash, which is a basketball crime of the highest degree. Not to mention, Kobe Bryant (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/110/kobe-bryant) is now splitting ballhandling duty, which strips Nash of his wizard-like talents with the rock.
Indiana would be a brilliant landing spot for the two-time MVP, even aside from the obvious fact that Nash looks like he could step in right away for a "Hoosiers" remake. The Pacers rank 24th on offense and sorely need an injection of offensive creativity. Nash hasn't penetrated the paint as he has in the past, but he may just need a change in scenery. And Granger becomes a bit superfluous with Paul George's ascension. Metta World Peace's return to Indiana is a whole separate matter.
As with the Boston scenario above, the Lakers would have be on board with the idea that building for the future is more valuable than a slight chance at a first-round exit this season. In the short term, Hill would give the Lakers a much stronger defensive presence on the ball, and Granger (if and when he's healthy) could help buoy the offense without Nash. A 2013 playoff push wouldn't be ruled out, and Granger becomes a free agent just in time for the 2014 free-agent sweepstakes. This a deal that probably won't happen, but Nash's leading the Pacers against the Heat would be fantastic postseason theater.

I laughed when I read this until I realized that this was seriously an ACTUAL ARTICLE!!

WHO WRITES THIS CRAP AND GETS PAID FOR IT?!?!

Heisenberg
02-19-2013, 01:51 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>One deal on the table for the Bucks is Luc Mbah a Moute and a first-round pick to Orlando for J.J. Redick, sources say.</p>&mdash; Ken Berger (@KBergCBS) <a href="https://twitter.com/KBergCBS/status/303939430664777729">February 19, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>The belief among rival execs is that the Bucks would only acquire Redick if they first decided to move Monta Ellis as part of a bigger deal.</p>&mdash; Ken Berger (@KBergCBS) <a href="https://twitter.com/KBergCBS/status/303939583639420928">February 19, 2013</a></blockquote>
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So that's the price for Reddick I guess

Goyle
02-19-2013, 01:57 PM
How does one even come up with a trade like that?

BillS
02-19-2013, 01:59 PM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/PerDiem-130219/nba-seven-trades-happenIndiana Pacers receive: Metta World Peace

:-o:eek::onozomg:

Unclebuck
02-19-2013, 02:04 PM
Yeah any trade that would bring Artest to Indiana is dead before it starts. Doesn't matter who else is involved.

PacerPenguins
02-19-2013, 02:07 PM
Give me JJ Reddick without giving up DG,PG,Hib,West,Hill and Lance and I will be one happy camper

Trader Joe
02-19-2013, 02:12 PM
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So that's the price for Reddick I guess

The Brough and a first?<iframe id="rufous-sandbox" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allowtransparency="true" style="display: none;"></iframe>

Will Galen
02-19-2013, 02:12 PM
That Laker/Pacer trade was probably the worse I've ever read!

Derek2k3
02-19-2013, 02:12 PM
Short of a full-blown purge of the Big Three era, rival execs believe the Celtics would consider moving a contract (such as Jason Terry's $5 million) to get under the luxury tax in what essentially is a lost season due to injuries.

Source: Ken Berger - Teams Trudge Cautiously Towards the Deadline (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ken-berger/21727776/trade-buzz-teams-trudge-cautiously-toward-deadline)

Interesting that Terry could be had in a cash dump situation. He's making approx. $5.2M next and $5.4M year 3.

KingGeorge_24
02-19-2013, 02:14 PM
Quote:
The Pacers are, however, open to moving backups Tyler Hansbrough, D.J. Augustin and Gerald Green. I'm told they offered up the names of Hansbrough and Augustin when trying to pry J.J. Redick out of Orlando. But the Magic aren't interested in a move like that. Orlando might yet keep Redick, who wants to stay in Orlando, but only if the sharp-shooting backup settles for less than he might get on the open market this summer. Despite Redick's name being one of the most prominent in trade rumors, some executives are beginning to believe the Magic will not move him. ESPN.com

PacerPenguins
02-19-2013, 02:15 PM
These next 2 days are where my productivity in school is an all time low

and if u take granger out of that Lakers trade I still wouldnt do it, whoever wrote that should be fired

BillS
02-19-2013, 02:16 PM
Quote:
The Pacers are, however, open to moving backups Tyler Hansbrough, D.J. Augustin and Gerald Green. I'm told they offered up the names of Hansbrough and Augustin when trying to pry J.J. Redick out of Orlando. But the Magic aren't interested in a move like that. Orlando might yet keep Redick, who wants to stay in Orlando, but only if the sharp-shooting backup settles for less than he might get on the open market this summer. Despite Redick's name being one of the most prominent in trade rumors, some executives are beginning to believe the Magic will not move him. ESPN.com

Needs a hard link.

That said, as much as I personally like Tyler, getting something back for him, Green, and DJ would be nice.

Nuntius
02-19-2013, 02:19 PM
Yeah any trade that would bring Artest to Indiana is dead before it starts. Doesn't matter who else is involved.

There is a guy in the RealGM boards that proposed several times both on the Pacers boards and the Trade & Transactions boards a Dwight Howard + Ron Artest for Danny Granger + Roy Hibbert.

All of the Pacer fans said in unison: Artest is NOT coming back.

DGPR
02-19-2013, 02:19 PM
Anybody outside of Indiana probably likes that Lakers trade because it improves the big guy but cripples the little guy. I'm sure fans would come back in droves to see Ron-Ron play again.

PGisthefuture
02-19-2013, 02:20 PM
Not really expecting much. I would love to get Reddick without giving up anybody from the core, though.

PacerPenguins
02-19-2013, 02:20 PM
There is a guy in the RealGM boards that proposed several times both on the Pacers boards and the Trade & Transactions boards a Dwight Howard + Ron Artest for Danny Granger + Roy Hibbert.

All of the Pacer fans said in unison: Artest is NOT coming back.

If Dwight is guarenteed to resign with us, I take that deal no matter if artest or not! Hill, Lance, Paul George, David West and Dwight..... Holy :censored:

BRushWithDeath
02-19-2013, 02:22 PM
The Brough and a first?<iframe id="rufous-sandbox" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allowtransparency="true" style="display: none;"></iframe>

LRMAM and the Bucks 1st is a much better offer than Hansbrough and our 1st.

DJ Augustin, Lance Stephenson, and our 1st maybe?

PacerPenguins
02-19-2013, 02:23 PM
LRMAM and the Bucks 1st is a much better offer than Hansbrough and our 1st.

DJ Augustin, Lance Stephenson, and our 1st maybe?

Rather have Lance than Reddick for 1/2 year

cgg
02-19-2013, 02:25 PM
There is a guy in the RealGM boards that proposed several times both on the Pacers boards and the Trade & Transactions boards a Dwight Howard + Ron Artest for Danny Granger + Roy Hibbert.

All of the Pacer fans said in unison: Artest is NOT coming back.

I felt a great disturbance in the force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.

Trader Joe
02-19-2013, 02:25 PM
LRMAM and the Bucks 1st is a much better offer than Hansbrough and our 1st.

DJ Augustin, Lance Stephenson, and our 1st maybe?

How much moola are you willing to commit to the well coiffed one long term?

Psyren
02-19-2013, 02:29 PM
Not a trade rumor but...

Marc Spears
Twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo


Donte Greene has also received inquiries from IND,NO, SA, CHI, NY, BK, ORL, HOU & CLE,source said. BK was expected to sign him before injury

cgg
02-19-2013, 02:30 PM
Cause who needs a backup point guard or PF when we can have more wings?

SMosley21
02-19-2013, 02:32 PM
some overzealous fans are trying to start a rumor that we're trading Granger + 1st round pick to Utah for Milsap and Hayward. It was discussed as a trade that would "make sense" on espn and people automatically jump to the conclusion that it has actually been discussed by either team.

spreedom
02-19-2013, 02:32 PM
Rather have Lance than Reddick for 1/2 year

If you're making the faulty assumption that there's no chance Redick re-signs.

BRushWithDeath
02-19-2013, 02:33 PM
How moola are you willing to commit to the well coiffed one long term?

This is completely independent of whether or not it is reasonable for the Pacers, because truthfully, I have no idea how it's going to work cap wise but I'd expect Redick to be in the George Hill price range. $8 million per seems to be the absolute peak.

And I just looked up LRMAM's contract. I had no idea that he's got 2 years after this one. Maybe an expiring Tebrough and a 1st isn't an immensely worse offer.

If I thought I could lock up Redick for 3 years while still retaining West and keeping the room to give PG his max, I'd easily send the Augustin, Lance, 1st package too.

PacerPenguins
02-19-2013, 02:33 PM
If you're making the faulty assumption that there's no chance Redick re-signs.

probably wont be able to afford him, he will want too much

cgg
02-19-2013, 02:34 PM
If you're making the faulty assumption that there's no chance Redick re-signs.

Say goodbye to a core player then.

spreedom
02-19-2013, 02:34 PM
How much moola are you willing to commit to the well coiffed one long term?

I wouldn't hesitate to give him $7-8M a year. I don't think he'll get an offer higher than $8M this offseason.

CableKC
02-19-2013, 02:35 PM
Here are seven trades that "Should Happen" according to Tom Haberstroh

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/PerDiem-130219/nba-seven-trades-happen

Including this doozy for the P's

4. Steve Nash (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/592/steve-nash) to the Indiana Pacers (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/ind/indiana-pacers)

Indiana Pacers receive: Steve Nash, Metta World Peace (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/25/metta-world-peace), Jordan Hill (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3994/jordan-hill) andSteve Blake (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1994/steve-blake).
Los Angeles Lakers (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/lal/los-angeles-lakers) receive: Danny Granger (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2760/danny-granger), George Hill (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3438/george-hill),Lance Stephenson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4244/lance-stephenson) and Ben Hansbrough (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6657/ben-hansbrough). The deal in Trade Machine (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=bedq34k).

It's just too painful to watch Nash's talents go to waste inside the ongoing circus in Laker Land. Dwight Howard (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2384/dwight-howard) appears to be allergic to running the pick-and-roll with Nash, which is a basketball crime of the highest degree. Not to mention, Kobe Bryant (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/110/kobe-bryant) is now splitting ballhandling duty, which strips Nash of his wizard-like talents with the rock.
Indiana would be a brilliant landing spot for the two-time MVP, even aside from the obvious fact that Nash looks like he could step in right away for a "Hoosiers" remake. The Pacers rank 24th on offense and sorely need an injection of offensive creativity. Nash hasn't penetrated the paint as he has in the past, but he may just need a change in scenery. And Granger becomes a bit superfluous with Paul George's ascension. Metta World Peace's return to Indiana is a whole separate matter.
As with the Boston scenario above, the Lakers would have be on board with the idea that building for the future is more valuable than a slight chance at a first-round exit this season. In the short term, Hill would give the Lakers a much stronger defensive presence on the ball, and Granger (if and when he's healthy) could help buoy the offense without Nash. A 2013 playoff push wouldn't be ruled out, and Granger becomes a free agent just in time for the 2014 free-agent sweepstakes. This a deal that probably won't happen, but Nash's leading the Pacers against the Heat would be fantastic postseason theater.
So...the writer wants to trade 2 fairly solid assets ( that can probably fetch something else that makes sense ), ask the Pacers to take on MWP just because it would make good "postseason theater"?

Makes total sense to me :suicide4:

Heisenberg
02-19-2013, 02:35 PM
Cause who needs a backup point guard or PF when we can have more wings?

Donte Greene's plenty big enough to be something of a stretch 4

cgg
02-19-2013, 02:36 PM
I wouldn't hesitate to give him $7-8M a year. I don't think he'll get an offer higher than $8M this offseason.

Then you are not re-signing Granger.

cgg
02-19-2013, 02:36 PM
Donte Greene's plenty big enough to be something of a stretch 4

I meant anyone that suggests trading DJ or Tyler without getting a replacement back.

PacerPenguins
02-19-2013, 02:39 PM
ESPN they said Granger and 1st for Hayward and Millsap......I say we take that if we have a chance.

Heisenberg
02-19-2013, 02:39 PM
ESPN they said Granger and 1st for Hayward and Millsap......I say we take that if we have a chance.

THIS IS NOT REAL PEOPLE.

It's Tom Penn pimping the trade machine driving traffic to espn.com.

Trader Joe
02-19-2013, 02:41 PM
Can't wait for Heisenberg's head to explode. Time to start trolling twitter for fake trades and PM'ing them to him.

spreedom
02-19-2013, 02:41 PM
Then you are not re-signing Granger.

Where do I sign?

PacerPenguins
02-19-2013, 02:42 PM
THIS IS NOT REAL PEOPLE.

It's Tom Penn pimping the trade machine driving traffic to espn.com.

worded that wrong, didnt mean to make it sound like a rumor, was just surious what y'all thought if given the opportunity

RLeWorm
02-19-2013, 02:43 PM
ESPN they said Granger and 1st for Hayward and Millsap......I say we take that if we have a chance.


THIS IS NOT REAL PEOPLE.

It's Tom Penn pimping the trade machine driving traffic to espn.com.

yea, before he even started the trade machine he made it clear that we aren't trading him. He did say though that some of it is because of Granger's value

cgg
02-19-2013, 02:44 PM
Can't wait for Heisenberg's head to explode. Time to start trolling twitter for fake trades and PM'ing them to him.

Twitter is already treating the DG/GH/Lance to the Lakers as a real rumor.

BRushWithDeath
02-19-2013, 02:44 PM
worded that wrong, didnt mean to make it sound like a rumor, was just surious what y'all thought if given the opportunity

http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthread.php?81060-ESPN-ecploring-a-Jazz-and-Pacers-trade&p=1589372#post1589372

Heisenberg
02-19-2013, 02:45 PM
worded that wrong, didnt mean to make it sound like a rumor, was just surious what y'all thought if given the opportunity

It reminded me why Tom Penn doesn't work in the NBA anymore

CableKC
02-19-2013, 02:47 PM
Source: Ken Berger - Teams Trudge Cautiously Towards the Deadline (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ken-berger/21727776/trade-buzz-teams-trudge-cautiously-toward-deadline)

Interesting that Terry could be had in a cash dump situation. He's making approx. $5.2M next and $5.4M year 3.
Ainge is great at making risky moves to acquire Big Name Players....but he's terrible at giving out contracts to Free Agents. Seriously.....Ainge gave Bass, Courtney and Terry each....$5-6 mil PER YEAR / 3 year contracts. How stupid is that?

TheDon
02-19-2013, 02:48 PM
Honestly screw steve nash and screw the lakers, he had every opportunity in the world to come and play for us he made his bed so he and the rest of those losers can rot in lala land under the shadow of the clippers for the next decade and while we're at it screw any team who helps them out of that situation, their message boards have been pure schadenfreude for me this seaon. If someone wants to throw us a bench upgrade for pennies on the dollar than fine but otherwise I love our team.

...rant over...I hate the lakers...everyone can now return to their regularly scheduled overreactions :)

Nuntius
02-19-2013, 02:48 PM
If Dwight is guarenteed to resign with us, I take that deal no matter if artest or not! Hill, Lance, Paul George, David West and Dwight..... Holy :censored:

Can anything be guaranteed with Howard?

spreedom
02-19-2013, 02:49 PM
Ainge is great at making risky moves to acquire Big Name Players....but he's terrible at giving out contracts to Free Agents. Seriously.....Ainge gave Bass, Courtney and Terry each....$5-6 mil PER YEAR / 3 year contracts. How stupid is that?

Remind you of anyone?

http://hoopedia.nba.com/images/8/8c/Walsh_240_desk.jpg

spreedom
02-19-2013, 02:49 PM
Can anything be guaranteed with Howard?

I'm really starting to believe that there's a huge chance that Dwight is going to walk this offseason.... however, there is that matter of the extra $25M guaranteed for him to consider.

Heisenberg
02-19-2013, 02:51 PM
You know someone's giving Howard the max. You know how big his max contract is? 4/~87 million. 5/117 if it's the Lakers.

CableKC
02-19-2013, 02:53 PM
LRMAM and the Bucks 1st is a much better offer than Hansbrough and our 1st.
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute has a 3 year long-term contract.....Hansbrough is a RFA after this season....that could simply be jettisoned if there are concerns about re-signing him for too much.

I would think that the Magic would prefer any Expiring over Luc Richard Mbah a Moute.

Tom White
02-19-2013, 02:55 PM
Here are seven trades that "Should Happen" according to Tom Haberstroh

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/PerDiem-130219/nba-seven-trades-happen

Including this doozy for the P's

4. Steve Nash (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/592/steve-nash) to the Indiana Pacers (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/ind/indiana-pacers)

Indiana Pacers receive: Steve Nash, Metta World Peace (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/25/metta-world-peace), Jordan Hill (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3994/jordan-hill) andSteve Blake (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1994/steve-blake).
Los Angeles Lakers (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/lal/los-angeles-lakers) receive: Danny Granger (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2760/danny-granger), George Hill (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3438/george-hill),Lance Stephenson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4244/lance-stephenson) and Ben Hansbrough (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6657/ben-hansbrough). The deal in Trade Machine (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=bedq34k).

It's just too painful to watch Nash's talents go to waste inside the ongoing circus in Laker Land. Dwight Howard (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2384/dwight-howard) appears to be allergic to running the pick-and-roll with Nash, which is a basketball crime of the highest degree. Not to mention, Kobe Bryant (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/110/kobe-bryant) is now splitting ballhandling duty, which strips Nash of his wizard-like talents with the rock.
Indiana would be a brilliant landing spot for the two-time MVP, even aside from the obvious fact that Nash looks like he could step in right away for a "Hoosiers" remake. The Pacers rank 24th on offense and sorely need an injection of offensive creativity. Nash hasn't penetrated the paint as he has in the past, but he may just need a change in scenery. And Granger becomes a bit superfluous with Paul George's ascension. Metta World Peace's return to Indiana is a whole separate matter.
As with the Boston scenario above, the Lakers would have be on board with the idea that building for the future is more valuable than a slight chance at a first-round exit this season. In the short term, Hill would give the Lakers a much stronger defensive presence on the ball, and Granger (if and when he's healthy) could help buoy the offense without Nash. A 2013 playoff push wouldn't be ruled out, and Granger becomes a free agent just in time for the 2014 free-agent sweepstakes. This a deal that probably won't happen, but Nash's leading the Pacers against the Heat would be fantastic postseason theater.

Whoever wrote that needs a brain transplant.

Heisenberg
02-19-2013, 02:56 PM
the hell happened to LRAM? not that he was ever great or anything, but ~5 mil a year for a really strong versatile defender that could give you an efficient 8 or so points isn't AWFUL. now he's shooting like his name's Roy.

Hicks
02-19-2013, 02:56 PM
I think we should throw in Paul George as well

Only if we can get Pau Gasol.

Hicks
02-19-2013, 02:58 PM
Yeah any trade that would bring Artest to Indiana is dead before it starts. Doesn't matter who else is involved.

I would immediately begin planning the fire I would set outside of BLF.

Perhaps a 40 foot tall wicker man. Whether or not I will be inside it when it goes up is still being debated.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/wicker-man.jpg

Hicks
02-19-2013, 03:03 PM
Source: Ken Berger - Teams Trudge Cautiously Towards the Deadline (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ken-berger/21727776/trade-buzz-teams-trudge-cautiously-toward-deadline)

Interesting that Terry could be had in a cash dump situation. He's making approx. $5.2M next and $5.4M year 3.

DJ and Pendergraph add up to the same amount of money, both of which are expiring contracts.

Just sayin'.

Sandman21
02-19-2013, 03:04 PM
I would immediately begin planning the fire I would set outside of BLF.

Perhaps a 40 foot tall wicker man. Whether or not I will be inside it when it goes up is still being debated.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/wicker-man.jpg

You can't be inside it, because we gonna need everyone we can get to make sure that A.) Our guys never leave the airport and B.) Their guys never touch down at the airport! :D

CableKC
02-19-2013, 03:06 PM
Remind you of anyone?

http://hoopedia.nba.com/images/8/8c/Walsh_240_desk.jpg
With the new CBA...ALL Owners are super weary of doing this now. Ainge and the Celtics owners have the luxury of doing stupid moves like that....the Simons don't. Is it possible that KP/Walsh would do something similar, but I doubt the Simons would allow it.

I agree that they got away with it with Green....but making three $5 mil per year / long term contracts is way worse than making an offer to Green for a 3 year contract.

Hicks
02-19-2013, 03:06 PM
It reminded me why Tom Penn doesn't work in the NBA anymore

Really? I think that's a fair offer. Gordon Hayward is quietly a pretty nice wing in his own right, plus you're getting a guy who at least is a super sub (or you start him at the 3 with PG at 2) who serves as potential West Lost Insurance this summer. Of course, you could lose both to free agency...

spreedom
02-19-2013, 03:07 PM
DJ and Pendergraph add up to the same amount of money, both of which are expiring contracts.

Just sayin'.

That's not a bad gamble for the Pacers, but I would caution you that Terry should not ever be your primary backup at the point.

Heisenberg
02-19-2013, 03:09 PM
Really? I think that's a fair offer.
It's not blatant robbery or anything, but it makes no sense for Utah for me. The whole idea of trading Milsap is to go young, not give up a pretty promising young guy to get older and right now injured and do...what? Lose in 5 games instead of 4?

Hicks
02-19-2013, 03:09 PM
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute has a 3 year long-term contract.....Hansbrough is a RFA after this season....that could simply be jettisoned if there are concerns about re-signing him for too much.

I would think that the Magic would prefer any Expiring over Luc Richard Mbah a Moute.

If they want an expiring contract, they just keep Reddick

Derek2k3
02-19-2013, 03:09 PM
That's not a bad gamble for the Pacers, but I would caution you that Terry should not ever be your primary backup at the point.

A Lance/Terry backcourt would be lethal on the break. Terry with those pullup J's, Lance with his finishing/vision...

CableKC
02-19-2013, 03:10 PM
Not a trade rumor but...

Marc Spears
Twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo
About Donte Greene....isn't he just another Gerald Green? Athletic Player that has low basketball IQ?

BRushWithDeath
02-19-2013, 03:11 PM
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute has a 3 year long-term contract.....Hansbrough is a RFA after this season....that could simply be jettisoned if there are concerns about re-signing him for too much.

I would think that the Magic would prefer any Expiring over Luc Richard Mbah a Moute.

You could be right. I didn't know LRMAM had 2 years after this. An expiring and a 1st might be better.

Hicks
02-19-2013, 03:11 PM
You can't be inside it, because we gonna need everyone we can get to make sure that A.) Our guys never leave the airport and B.) Their guys never touch down at the airport! :D

I figured A55 and G2 could handle that. LEAVE ME TO MY PAIN!!

Guess the rest of my season tickets would make good kindle...

Heisenberg
02-19-2013, 03:12 PM
About Donte Greene....isn't he just another Gerald Green? Athletic Player that has low basketball IQ?

Yes. But at like a fifth the price.

BRushWithDeath
02-19-2013, 03:13 PM
Really? I think that's a fair offer. Gordon Hayward is quietly a pretty nice wing in his own right, plus you're getting a guy who at least is a super sub (or you start him at the 3 with PG at 2) who serves as potential West Lost Insurance this summer. Of course, you could lose both to free agency...

There's no doubt it's great for the Pacers. But it's a few ticks beyond awful for Utah.

spreedom
02-19-2013, 03:25 PM
Wow, checking out Luc Richard Mbah a Moute's defensive stats via Synergy...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BDfmlaCCUAEx1lK.jpg:large

PacerPenguins
02-19-2013, 03:27 PM
Lots of Pacers fans on twitter think Granger is gone...... their 2 points 1)He was ready for the game b4 the allstar break and got the "flu" 2)Now he is over that he is being held out bc of the knee. I don't know what to believe, but you could make cases for each side

Trader Joe
02-19-2013, 03:31 PM
Lots of Pacers fans on twitter think Granger is gone...... their 2 points 1)He was ready for the game b4 the allstar break and got the "flu" 2)Now he is over that he is being held out bc of the knee. I don't know what to believe, but you could make cases for each side

I'll counter that with a couple points

1.) Who the hell is going to trade for a guy who hasn't played a single game this season
2.) Keep reading 1 until your eyes bleed.

PacerPenguins
02-19-2013, 03:33 PM
I'll counter that with a couple points

1.) Who the hell is going to trade for a guy who hasn't played a single game this season
2.) Keep reading 1 until your eyes bleed.

Have you ever heard of "Buy low" ? Grangers value is not what it could be if he returns to 100%. Risk vs Reward

Heisenberg
02-19-2013, 03:34 PM
Yeah, Danny's not playing before the deadline. All the thoughts of him being moved can cease.

BillS
02-19-2013, 03:35 PM
Have you ever heard of "Buy low" ? Grangers value is not what it could be if he returns to 100%. Risk vs Reward

Wouldn't that also mean the Pacers were "selling low"?

PacerPenguins
02-19-2013, 03:35 PM
Wouldn't that also mean the Pacers were "selling low"?

yes, we are selling low, thats y I think the people freaking out on twitter have a point.

Trader Joe
02-19-2013, 03:37 PM
yes, we are selling low, thats y I think the people freaking out on twitter have a point.

That doesn't make any sense.

We literally have no reason to trade Granger for cents on the dollar right now. He either comes back and is a good piece or he continues to struggle with this and his contract conveniently expires right when we need to pay PG and Lance.

There is no reason to sell low on him.

Nuntius
02-19-2013, 03:37 PM
About Donte Greene....isn't he just another Gerald Green? Athletic Player that has low basketball IQ?

He has been a significantly worse shooter throughout his career. But he's bigger.

Nuntius
02-19-2013, 03:39 PM
Wow, checking out Luc Richard Mbah a Moute's defensive stats via Synergy...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BDfmlaCCUAEx1lK.jpg:large

It's well known that he is an amazing defender but thanks for the image :)

cgg
02-19-2013, 03:39 PM
Good thing twitter isn't our GM.

Sandman21
02-19-2013, 03:41 PM
Good thing twitter isn't our GM.

Thank god PD isn't our GM either. :D

TMJ31
02-19-2013, 04:03 PM
I have to admit, the 'writing between the lines' with Danny does point to something being up.

Hopefully we keep him, I love Danny and know that he will improve our team when he is ready to play.

But, just looking at all the factors involved, I won't be surprised if he is dealt. That does not mean I endorse the idea.

Trader Joe
02-19-2013, 04:04 PM
I just don't see anyway the Pacers can make a good value deal on Granger right now. Maybe Walsh proves me wrong and he pulls out a big 'un, but you're gonna need one heck of a sucker/risk taker on the other end of the deal.

TMJ31
02-19-2013, 04:08 PM
I just don't see anyway the Pacers can make a good value deal on Granger right now. Maybe Walsh proves me wrong and he pulls out a big 'un, but you're gonna need one heck of a sucker/risk taker on the other end of the deal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kahn_(sports_executive)

Psyren
02-19-2013, 04:10 PM
I see only two possible scenarios concerning Danny.

1. We're in the process of trading him.
2. His knee is worse than we thought.

Trader Joe
02-19-2013, 04:13 PM
I see only two possible scenarios concerning Danny.

1. We're in the process of trading him.
2. His knee is worse than we thought.

3. He's just waiting til he's 100%

CableKC
02-19-2013, 04:13 PM
Yes. But at like a fifth the price.
Then why add another one to the payroll even at a 5th of the price?

We don't need another wingman.

BRushWithDeath
02-19-2013, 04:17 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kahn_(sports_executive)

If they all didn't get injured, I'd say the team Kahn put together this year was pretty damn good.

Heisenberg
02-19-2013, 04:20 PM
Then why add another one to the payroll even at a 5th of the price?

We don't need another wingman.Because Danny's getting traded and we're going to become the new Globetrotters. I don't know, I'm not endorsing it, just sayin. Greene'd just be a guy.

Wage
02-19-2013, 04:25 PM
Then why add another one to the payroll even at a 5th of the price?

We don't need another wingman.

Really? I think on the wings is where we have the largest dropoff from starter to bench production. Followed second by at the point.

TMJ31
02-19-2013, 04:25 PM
If they all didn't get injured, I'd say the team Kahn put together this year was pretty damn good.

Agreed.

It was more so a jest at the last few years when he drafted and traded for like 25 point guards.

BRushWithDeath
02-19-2013, 04:26 PM
Agreed.

It was more so a jest at the last few years when he drafted and traded for like 25 point guards.

Speaking of which, is Jonny Flynn still out of the league? Sure, he sucks but he's better than Ben Hansbrough right?

Derek2k3
02-19-2013, 04:28 PM
Speaking of which, is Jonny Flynn still out of the league? Sure, he sucks but he's better than Ben Hansbrough right?

No. Ben seems to know his limitations. Flynn thinks he's Derrick Rose.

Heisenberg
02-19-2013, 04:32 PM
Speaking of which, is Jonny Flynn still out of the league? Sure, he sucks but he's better than Ben Hansbrough right?

Flynn's in Australia

RLeWorm
02-19-2013, 04:36 PM
No. Ben seems to know his limitations. Flynn thinks he's Derrick Rose.
lol u must be a real homer. lol Flynn is better then Ben. Come on lol

Derek2k3
02-19-2013, 04:38 PM
lol u must be a real homer. lol Flynn is better then Ben. Come on lol

Well, I can't stand Flynn, if that's what you're saying. Not much of a Ben fan either, but Flynn is an absolute disaster.

PacerPenguins
02-19-2013, 05:16 PM
NBA Rumors ‏@NBARUMORS
According to sources, the Atlanta Hawks are ready to send Josh Smith to Milwaukee Bucks in exchange for Monta Ellis.

Heisenberg
02-19-2013, 05:20 PM
http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2010/04/22/josh-smith-everybody-knows-there-aint-nothing-to-do-in-milwaukee/

Someone picked up on the Noah thread and asked Smith if he’d be taking any vacations in Milwaukee.

“Would you go there?” Smith asked. “Everybody knows there ain’t nothing to do in Milwaukee, man. Everybody knows that, (even) the people that live there.”



I don't really believe that's actually about to happen, but I'd love it for the comedy

TMJ31
02-19-2013, 05:22 PM
NBA Rumors ‏@NBARUMORS
According to sources, the Atlanta Hawks are ready to send Josh Smith to Milwaukee Bucks in exchange for Monta Ellis.

Am I crazy for thinking that actually makes both teams worse?

Hypnotiq
02-19-2013, 05:27 PM
NBA Rumors ‏@NBARUMORS
According to sources, the Atlanta Hawks are ready to send Josh Smith to Milwaukee Bucks in exchange for Monta Ellis.

:clintshudder:

CableKC
02-19-2013, 06:15 PM
Am I crazy for thinking that actually makes both teams worse?
Maybe this is more of a "get something that will help them this season for the Playoffs and then see if they can convince them to stay beyond this season ( since the Teams that have them can offer more $$$ from a FA perspective )" type of move.....as opposed to taking the poo-poo platters that they have been offered :shrug: Keep in mind....both the Bucks and the Hawks are still in the Playoff hunt. The Hawks have Korver/DeShawn/Jenkins/Devin sharing WingMan minutes......Monta would clearly be an upgrade and would help them in the Playoffs. As for Josh Smith and the Bucks....they have Illyasova/Moute/Gooden/whoever? sharing Forward minutes....Adding in Smith may help :shrug:. Either way...I'm guessing that the Hawks and Bucks are just getting low-ball offers that don't make sense for their long-term plans.

I seriously think that the best that any of these Teams that have UFAs on their roster ( Bucks/Monta, Hawks/JSmoove, Jazz/Milsap and AlJeff ) is a 1st + Expiring.....anyone that offers these Teams that and a prospect....will get those Players. I think that many of these Teams think that they can get a really good deal since these are good Players that can push Teams over the proverbial "bump"....but I suspect that Teams that are interested are playing the "waiting game" to see if any of them budge on their "asking price".

KingGeorge_24
02-19-2013, 06:22 PM
Apparently we offered Hansbrough and Augustin for Redick but they also want our pick too.

Cousy47
02-19-2013, 06:23 PM
There is a guy in the RealGM boards that proposed several times both on the Pacers boards and the Trade & Transactions boards a Dwight Howard + Ron Artest for Danny Granger + Roy Hibbert.

All of the Pacer fans said in unison: Artest is NOT coming back.

Think about that trade very carefully, guys. The Pacers play at least 2 games a week, that's 5 plus hours a week that I, for one, would not be going downtown or watching FSI.

Cactus Jax
02-19-2013, 06:28 PM
Apparently we offered Hansbrough and Augustin for Redick but they also want our pick too.

Maybe its just me, but I'd totally offer the pick, then make a seperate trade to get a backup PG, or sign someone. People seem to think too often that the NBA draft is like the NFL draft, there's a very small chance you're getting anything good in the mid to late 20's pick, just as long as you don't screw up the language and you get screwed out of an early pick 5 years from now.

KingGeorge_24
02-19-2013, 06:33 PM
Maybe its just me, but I'd totally offer the pick, then make a seperate trade to get a backup PG, or sign someone. People seem to think too often that the NBA draft is like the NFL draft, there's a very small chance you're getting anything good in the mid to late 20's pick, just as long as you don't screw up the language and you get screwed out of an early pick 5 years from now.

I know! I would of totally made this trade! I wouldnt even sign a back up PG. Id try and find a back up cheap rental to take Hansbroughs minutes. Have Stephenson take the back up PG minutes. Then have Redick take the back up SG minutes. George can take the back up minutes of Granger. I was thinking possibly Kenyon Martin.

Rotation of
Hill/Stephenson
George/Redick
Granger/George
West/Martin
Hibbert/Mahimi

Nuntius
02-19-2013, 06:33 PM
Maybe its just me, but I'd totally offer the pick, then make a seperate trade to get a backup PG, or sign someone. People seem to think too often that the NBA draft is like the NFL draft, there's a very small chance you're getting anything good in the mid to late 20's pick, just as long as you don't screw up the language and you get screwed out of an early pick 5 years from now.

If we're giving up a pick then that means that we will offer him a long-term contract. Otherwise, we shouldn't give up a pick.

Steagles
02-19-2013, 06:34 PM
Apparently we offered Hansbrough and Augustin for Redick but they also want our pick too.

:signit:

Cousy47
02-19-2013, 06:36 PM
I'll counter that with a couple points

1.) Who the hell is going to trade for a guy who hasn't played a single game this season
2.) Keep reading 1 until your eyes bleed.

Didn't the Lakers do that with Howard last year? Just saying. "There is a sucker born every minute"

shags
02-19-2013, 06:46 PM
Am I crazy for thinking that actually makes both teams worse?

Not according to ESPN's trade machine. I traded Smith and Anthony Morrow to Milwaukee for Ellis and Samuel Dalembert, and it made Atlanta 4 wins worse, and Milwaukee 6 wins worse. :)

PacerPenguins
02-19-2013, 08:46 PM
Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard
Sources: Knicks showing strong interest in Phx's Jermaine O'Neal...Phx also talking w/Toronto about moving Sebastian Telfair


Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard
Sources say Boston willing to trade injured PG Rajon Rondo in right deal. Wizards looking to move Jordan Crawford.


Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard
Phoenix has talked with ATL about Josh Smith, but deal is very inlikely, sources say.


Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard
Other players who are on trade market, sources say: Brooklyn's Humphries, Philly's E Turner, Charlotte's Ben Gordon & Gerald Henderson.....


Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard
(con't) Bulls' Hamilton, Dallas' Kaman, Denver's Mozgov, Indy's Gerald Green, Bucks' Mbah a Moute, Monte Ellis, OKC's Eric Maynor.......

..

Heisenberg
02-19-2013, 08:48 PM
wonder what it'd take to get Telfair, he's fallen outta the rotation, shouldn't be much. wouldn't mind Henderson at all either, don't really see us as a good partner though.

PacerPenguins
02-19-2013, 08:49 PM
Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard
(con't) Spurs' DeJuan Blair, Toronto's Bargnani, Utah's Jefferson & Millsap...

PacerPenguins
02-19-2013, 08:51 PM
Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard
Bucks willing to move Ellis bc he turned down Milwaukee's 2-yr contract extension. Ellis wanted to play out the season.

CableKC
02-19-2013, 08:53 PM
wonder what it'd take to get Telfair, he's fallen outta the rotation, shouldn't be much. wouldn't mind Henderson at all either, don't really see us as a good partner though.
Assuming the right pieces comes back to fill any holes that r vacated....the Pacers has many Players that have what could be considered expiring contracts...something that teams are looking for if they want to dump salaries. Players like DJ, Pendy, Hansbrough can be moved as expiring contracts....as long as the pacers r willing to take back a long term contract.

pacer4ever
02-19-2013, 09:06 PM
wonder what it'd take to get Telfair, he's fallen outta the rotation, shouldn't be much. wouldn't mind Henderson at all either, don't really see us as a good partner though.

I read 3wks ago they wanted a 2nd for him. He played good early in the year. I don't blame them for giving Marshall his PT. Telfair is a FA and Marshall was there lottery pick pretty much a no brainer. I wouldn't be opposed to getting him he was improved this year low risk.

Sparhawk
02-19-2013, 09:15 PM
Telfair? No way.

Aaron Brooks is out of favor for the Kings. Aaron has a reasonable contract. I wonder what it'd take to get him. Would really like to get the Jimmer.....

PR07
02-19-2013, 09:23 PM
It would be nice if we could add a piece without giving up much. I don't really like the idea of moving Augustin if we aren't getting a backup PG though.

vincognito
02-19-2013, 09:38 PM
It would be nice if we could add a piece without giving up much. I don't really like the idea of moving Augustin if we aren't getting a backup PG though.

why not use lance at backup pg

cgg
02-19-2013, 09:43 PM
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/29848059.jpg

Goyle
02-19-2013, 09:45 PM
Something like this would be cool. Losing Tyler might be addition by subtraction for the bench.

http://i.imgur.com/1TCkFwM.jpg

EDIT: Wait, nm. I don't want to see what happens to Lance playing with Telfair.

spreedom
02-19-2013, 09:56 PM
Yeah, and there's absolutely no chance the Magic accept that deal unless we send them multiple picks.

Goyle
02-19-2013, 10:05 PM
Yeah, and there's absolutely no chance the Magic accept that deal unless we send them multiple picks.

I was thinking Hansbrough and a first go to Orlando, with a second going to Phoenix but there's no way to do that on the trade machine.

croz24
02-19-2013, 10:25 PM
Milsap + Hayward for Granger + 1st being discussed on Coast to Coast as a hypothetical. I'd do that in a heartbeat, but why the hell would Utah???

spreedom
02-19-2013, 10:26 PM
I was thinking Hansbrough and a first go to Orlando, with a second going to Phoenix but there's no way to do that on the trade machine.

I think Hans/OJ/Pend/1st for Redick/O'Quinn is about the best kind of offer we could hope to see accepted by the Magic. Redick's value is sky-high right now.

spreedom
02-19-2013, 10:27 PM
Milsap + Hayward for Granger + 1st being discussed on Coast to Coast as a hypothetical. I'd do that in a heartbeat, but why the hell would Utah???

Because they invented the trade and are trying to legitimize their own speculation.

CableKC
02-19-2013, 11:05 PM
why not use lance at backup pg
Cuz, Vogel views him as a SG with good ball handling abilities.....not a PG.

pacer4ever
02-19-2013, 11:17 PM
Wojo just wrote an article saying Dejuan Blair is going to be traded. Ask for a trade over a year ago and Spurs will trade him for just a 2nd. If that is true we should be all over that. Fits our style and is best friends with Hill. I really want Blair at that price.

CableKC
02-19-2013, 11:19 PM
Wojo just wrote an article saying Dejuan Blair is going to be traded. Ask for a trade over a year ago and Spurs will trade him for just a 2nd. If that is true we should be all over that. Fits our style and is best friends with Hill. I really want Blair at that price.
I would do that trade just to have both Blair and Hansbrough on the same team so that Seth's mind would be blown....

Day-V
02-19-2013, 11:19 PM
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/29848059.jpg

**** you. I saw this and totally spit pretzels all over my laptop from laughing so hard.

Heisenberg
02-19-2013, 11:20 PM
Wojo just wrote an article saying Dejuan Blair is going to be traded. Ask for a trade over a year ago and Spurs will trade him for just a 2nd. If that is true we should be all over that. Fits our style and is best friends with Hill. I really want Blair at that price.

Not a huge fan of his, but at the price, can't go wrong, could certainly use the 4 depth when Tyler's crap's not going in. Little Hans + enough cash to buy him out and our 2nd's good for me.

KingGeorge_24
02-19-2013, 11:28 PM
Its perfect!
Do the DJ/Hans/1st for Redick.

Then 2nd/B. Hans for Blair.

Hill/Stephenson
George/Redick
Granger/George
West/Blair
Hibbert/Mahimi.

Heisenberg
02-19-2013, 11:32 PM
Redick's agent wants 10 mil a year. Apparently he won't get that but there're teams that'd pay him 7 apparently. I think 7's pretty fair, but you know how negotiations go, and his agent's Arn Tellem

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--nba-trade-deadline-buzz--clippers-end-kevin-garnett-trade-talks-for-now-030112108.html;_ylt=AwrHgZSKQCRRhH0AUgELcykA;_ylu= X3oDMTFoZnA0Y2I3BG1pdANCbG9nIEluZGV4IGJ5IEF1dGhvcg Rwb3MDMQRzZWMDTWVkaWFCbG9nSW5kZXg-;_ylg=X3oD

imbtyler
02-19-2013, 11:32 PM
Wojo just wrote an article saying Dejuan Blair is going to be traded. Ask for a trade over a year ago and Spurs will trade him for just a 2nd. If that is true we should be all over that. Fits our style and is best friends with Hill. I really want Blair at that price.

I've always been a fan of Blair, despite his lack of ACL's, because of his relationship with Hill. Having them both on the same team could be the PF chemistry connection we're missing. Also, I just feel like Tyler is a huge loner out of all the Pacers, and that he doesn't seem to be buddy-buddy with the rest of the "core". However, bringing someone with a screaming potential for injury is not a stigma we need to bring to our team, with every other team in the East chasing the target on our backs.

Heisenberg
02-19-2013, 11:33 PM
I've always been a fan of Blair, despite his lack of ACL's, because of his relationship with Hill. Having them both on the same team could be the PF chemistry connection we're missing. Also, I just feel like Tyler is a huge loner out of all the Pacers, and that he doesn't seem to be buddy-buddy with the rest of the "core". However, bringing someone with a screaming potential for injury is not a stigma we need to bring to our team, with every other team in the East chasing the target on our backs.
what're they gonna do, kneecap the dude?

cgg
02-19-2013, 11:37 PM
Redick's agent wants 10 mil a year. Apparently he won't get that but there're teams that'd pay him 7 apparently. I think 7's pretty fair, but you know how negotiations go, and his agent's Arn Tellem

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--nba-trade-deadline-buzz--clippers-end-kevin-garnett-trade-talks-for-now-030112108.html;_ylt=AwrHgZSKQCRRhH0AUgELcykA;_ylu= X3oDMTFoZnA0Y2I3BG1pdANCbG9nIEluZGV4IGJ5IEF1dGhvcg Rwb3MDMQRzZWMDTWVkaWFCbG9nSW5kZXg-;_ylg=X3oD

Oh well if he has Jermaine O'neal's agent, then I'm sure we could resign him to a reasonable contract. Maybe 15M/year for 5 years?

CableKC
02-19-2013, 11:40 PM
I am guessing that some Team will send an offer of a 1st+Expiring+2nd Tier Prospect for one of the UFA Rentals while many of them just stay put... and then a whole bunch of role Players will trade places.

This will mark one of the worst Trading Deadlines....EVER.

Heisenberg
02-19-2013, 11:42 PM
I am guessing that some Team will send an offer of a 1st+Expiring+2nd Tier Prospect for one of the UFA Rentals while many of them just stay put... and then a whole bunch of role Players will trade places.

This will mark one of the worst Trading Deadlines....EVER.So you're sayin we're getting a new backup point? :buddies:

CableKC
02-19-2013, 11:47 PM
Wojo just wrote an article saying Dejuan Blair is going to be traded. Ask for a trade over a year ago and Spurs will trade him for just a 2nd. If that is true we should be all over that. Fits our style and is best friends with Hill. I really want Blair at that price.
Some Team is going to bite on that.....a 2nd round pick for a minimum expiring contract?

Although I don't mind having Blair cuz I love what he brings....but isn't one of the preferences that Vogel has for this Team is that the Big Men has to have an acceptable Mid-Range jumpshot? Blair has ZERO range beyond 9 feet from the rim. He's a much better low post scorer....but I think that this would be a problem.

CableKC
02-19-2013, 11:48 PM
So you're sayin we're getting a new backup point? :buddies:
Sure, why not? Backup PGs....for everyone!

Psyren
02-19-2013, 11:49 PM
Marc Spears
Twitter.com/SpearsYahooNBA


Said an NBA executive on trade talk: "It's actually quiet. Everyone is waiting for Josh Smith to be moved first."

Heisenberg
02-19-2013, 11:51 PM
Smith's been on the trade block for like 4 years. So literally no trades are going to happen.

PacerGuy
02-19-2013, 11:55 PM
Some Team is going to bite on that.....a 2nd round pick for a minimum expiring contract?

Although I don't mind having Blair cuz I love what he brings....but isn't one of the preferences that Vogel has for this Team is that the Big Men has to have an acceptable Mid-Range jumpshot? Blair has ZERO range beyond 9 feet from the rim. He's a much better low post scorer....but I think that this would be a problem.

Good follow up if we move Hans in a deal for a scorer - just say'n...

CableKC
02-20-2013, 12:06 AM
Good follow up if we move Hans in a deal for a scorer - just say'n...
I like that Blair is a solid low-post scorer......something that we lack right now ( thanks Hibbert....get your head in the game ! ). But I go back to Blair's lack of a Mid-range game. Out Big Men don't have to be an elite mid-range jumpshooter....but I think that they have to be capable of hitting that shot every once in awhile.

Heisenberg
02-20-2013, 12:09 AM
I like that Blair is a solid low-post scorer......something that we lack right now ( thanks Hibbert....get your head in the game ! ). But I go back to Blair's lack of a Mid-range game. Out Big Men don't have to be an elite mid-range jumpshooter....but I think that they have to be capable of hitting that shot every once in awhile.

Ian's money w/ the 16 footer. Him and Blair'd be a solid bench big combo.

pacer4ever
02-20-2013, 12:14 AM
Blair sets screens I think Vogel would like that over a 15ft j that Tyler has on select nights. We need a screen setter Pendy is our best but Blair is on another level of screen setting. I know Danny,pg24 and Lance would love his screens.

Hicks
02-20-2013, 12:18 AM
So what happened to Blair's stock in SA, anyway? Why is he so cheap?

pacer4ever
02-20-2013, 12:28 AM
Tiago Splitter improved traded for Diaw and they like Bonners shooting over Blair's screens. He hasn't played much sense getting Diaw

Lance George
02-20-2013, 02:54 AM
Final 36 hours before the trade deadline. I've got my 12-pack of Red Bull, my Supersize Grab Bag Nacho Cheesier Doritos, and I'm wearing an adult diaper. I shan't be moving from this spot no earlier than 8pm tomorrow night.

Cactus Jax
02-20-2013, 03:07 AM
Final 36 hours before the trade deadline. I've got my 12-pack of Red Bull, my Supersize Grab Bag Nacho Cheesier Doritos, and I'm wearing an adult diaper. I shan't be moving from this spot no earlier than 8pm tomorrow night.

You'll need the diaper if the Pacers trade George Hill, Paul George (ok overdoing it), Lance Stevenson, and Danny Granger for Steve Nash and Ron Artest.

Strummer
02-20-2013, 03:08 AM
Tweet from Adrian Wojnarowski
https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/304123915075219457


Houston's showing a willingness to move rookie Terrence Jones for a 1st-round pick, sources tell Y! Rockets are deep at forward spot.

CableKC
02-20-2013, 03:51 AM
All it takes is a 1st round pick and an expiring contract.....and you can have a multitude of young Players.

You have to wonder if this will push down the price of Reddick.

CableKC
02-20-2013, 03:57 AM
Ian's money w/ the 16 footer. Him and Blair'd be a solid bench big combo.
What's odd is that when the Pacers drafted Hansbrough....I thought that he'd have more of an inside game relying more on a low-post game.

Lance George
02-20-2013, 04:28 AM
Our pick is currently #23, I believe. Terrence Jones was pick #18 last year. I'd argue his value has dropped slightly due to having a less-than-impressive rookie season, but, then, this is considered a weak draft. Interestingly, one of the players he was most often compared to coming out of Kentucky is our very own David West.

I wouldn't object to the deal; he's still a good prospect who would fill a need, but it's not something I'd go out of my way to make happen.

Nuntius
02-20-2013, 04:41 AM
Terrence Jones has only played 91 minutes so far. He hasn't played enough in order for me to consider his season to be poor. He's an unknown commodity.

I wouldn't be against such a trade. His rookie contract is expiring after the 15/16 season and the last two years (14/15 - 15/16) are team options so we can just not pick up the option if we find a better alternative or if we need cap space.

I don't think that our 1st holds that much value, though. If it does then do it.

Will Galen
02-20-2013, 05:15 AM
Terrence Jones has only played 91 minutes so far. He hasn't played enough in order for me to consider his season to be poor. He's an unknown commodity.

I wouldn't be against such a trade. His rookie contract is expiring after the 15/16 season and the last two years (14/15 - 15/16) are team options so we can just not pick up the option if we find a better alternative or if we need cap space.

I don't think that our 1st holds that much value, though. If it does then do it.

Then who gets cut?

Hypnotiq
02-20-2013, 06:17 AM
Then who gets cut?

cya later ben

Steagles
02-20-2013, 06:52 AM
I'd trade our pick for Terrence Jones ANY day of the week.


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BRushWithDeath
02-20-2013, 08:07 AM
Although I don't mind having Blair cuz I love what he brings....but isn't one of the preferences that Vogel has for this Team is that the Big Men has to have an acceptable Mid-Range jumpshot? Blair has ZERO range beyond 9 feet from the rim. He's a much better low post scorer....but I think that this would be a problem.

Granted, Hansbrough has played a lot more this year so the volume is different but percentage wise, the two shoot pretty similarly..

'12-'13 Tyler Hansbrough: 45-137 (.328) on jumpshots
'12-'13 DeJuan Blair: 26-76 (.342) on jumpshots

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hansbty01/shooting/2013/
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/blairde01/shooting/2013/

Coopdog23
02-20-2013, 08:11 AM
So what happened to Blair's stock in SA, anyway? Why is he so cheap?

Knee injuries

BRushWithDeath
02-20-2013, 08:15 AM
Knee injuries

That is not accurate.

PacerPenguins
02-20-2013, 08:33 AM
hopefully today is more interesting than yesterday....

Pacer Fan
02-20-2013, 08:33 AM
Knee injuries

Short, fat and under skilled is more accurate.

Justin Tyme
02-20-2013, 08:36 AM
I think Hans/OJ/Pend/1st for Redick/O'Quinn is about the best kind of offer we could hope to see accepted by the Magic. Redick's value is sky-high right now.


Not interested in trading OJ. Too much promise and no guarantee you could re-sign Redick. If you sign Redick, how are you going to re-sign PG and Stephenson next year? I see OJ and Stephenson together are overall better than Redick and CHEAPER.

Justin Tyme
02-20-2013, 08:44 AM
Oh well if he has Jermaine O'neal's agent, then I'm sure we could resign him to a reasonable contract. Maybe 15M/year for 5 years?


Since you mentioned JO, JO was 9/13 in last nights game. I can't believe a team like Miami isn't picking him up for the playoffs. His salary is only $854,000.

Justin Tyme
02-20-2013, 08:51 AM
Tiago Splitter improved traded for Diaw and they like Bonners shooting over Blair's screens. He hasn't played much sense getting Diaw


Blair hasn't been happy losing his starting spot to Diaw last year, so it doesn't surprise me he's asked for a trade with Splitter now the starting 5.

*astrisk*
02-20-2013, 08:58 AM
Tim Legler was just on Mike and Mike. Just floated, Danny to Utah for Gordon and Millsap...

Also, called PG the "Emerging PaulStar"! It was a Freudian slip as he corrected himself, but I thought it was pretty cool anyway.

Justin Tyme
02-20-2013, 09:10 AM
I'd trade our pick for Terrence Jones ANY day of the week.


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Absolutely!

I wonder if they would be interested in Chumlee?

naptownmenace
02-20-2013, 09:34 AM
Since you mentioned JO, JO was 9/13 in last nights game. I can't believe a team like Miami isn't picking him up for the playoffs. His salary is only $854,000.

I still think the Pacers should go after him. I'm still a big JO fanand want him back in a Pacers uniform. I can't help it. :shrug:

cgg
02-20-2013, 09:41 AM
Since you mentioned JO, JO was 9/13 in last nights game. I can't believe a team like Miami isn't picking him up for the playoffs. His salary is only $854,000.

I'd go after him because I think he'd help, but I'd also go after him just so Miami couldn't go after him.

*astrisk*
02-20-2013, 10:09 AM
We need a backup big with veteran experience for the playoffs, that is NOT Pendy... With that said, I would take JO at a sub 1 mil expiring... JO, Telfair for DJ and 2nd...

May need to throw in another garb fodder to get it done...

cjhart92
02-20-2013, 10:55 AM
I'd like to see the pacers go for a buy low guy with upside. Derrick Williams' name has popped up in trade rumors, and although I have no idea what Minnesota would want in return, it seems like he could come pretty cheap. In a weak draft like this, why not throw our first and Hans at them? He's still a really good athlete and has potential to be a nice nba player in the right situation.

Derek2k3
02-20-2013, 11:08 AM
I'd like to see the pacers go for a buy low guy with upside. Derrick Williams' name has popped up in trade rumors, and although I have no idea what Minnesota would want in return, it seems like he could come pretty cheap. In a weak draft like this, why not throw our first and Hans at them? He's still a really good athlete and has potential to be a nice nba player in the right situation.

It's just difficult to see where he fits in. I'd imagine the Pacers are mostly interested in a 2, although Williams wouldn't be bad off the bench as the backup 3.

It's known that Kahn/Minny want a veteran wing and are offering multiple firsts. So, you'd end up needing to part ways with Granger/George. Don't see it happening.

aamcguy
02-20-2013, 11:15 AM
Short, fat and under skilled is more accurate.

I don't care how short, fat, and under skilled a guy is if he can produce at the same level as a guy who is not short, fat, and underskilled. As long as the rest of your team isn't undersized, 1 undersized guy won't hurt you.

Pacer Fan
02-20-2013, 11:19 AM
Derrick has a very high rookie contract per his production. I'd only do it for Green, Pends and a 1st. Green's contract would have to be gone in order to take the risk of Derrick's contract.

Derek2k3
02-20-2013, 11:21 AM
Derrick has a very high rookie contract per his production. I'd only do it for Green, Pends and a 1st. Green's contract would have to be gone in order to take the risk of Derrick's contract.

Basically $5M next season, with a $6.7M team option in '14/'15, and an $8.7M qualifying offer in '15/'16.

Yeesh.

Pacer Fan
02-20-2013, 11:26 AM
Basically $5M next season, with a $6.7M team option in '14/'15, and an $8.7M qualifying offer in '15/'16.

Yeesh.

Thx, I knew it was high, but that team option is nice.

I'm on my phone and don't have time to pull those numbers up, so Thx again.

PacerGuy
02-20-2013, 11:31 AM
Hans/Green/DJ for DW/Ridnour/Budinger

Saves Min 4m n/y in salery.
Saves IN one yr on Green's deal, 2 young players.

Aw Heck
02-20-2013, 11:32 AM
Hans/Green/DJ for DW/Ridnour/Budinger

Saves Min 4m n/y in salery.
Saves IN one yr on Green's deal, 2 young players.
Minnesota would be trading away the three best players involved in that trade. I don't see them doing that.

Pacer Fan
02-20-2013, 11:37 AM
Hans/Green/DJ for DW/Ridnour/Budinger

Saves Min 4m n/y in salery.
Saves IN one yr on Green's deal, 2 young players.
I think I'd do that, probably would take a 1st and 2nd pick to get it done and Minn the desire to take a flier on Green. What do you think?

BPump33
02-20-2013, 11:42 AM
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
In pursuit of guard help, the Celtics have made rookie center Fab Melo available in trade offers, league sources tell Y! Sports.

spreedom
02-20-2013, 11:47 AM
Hans/Green/DJ for DW/Ridnour/Budinger

Saves Min 4m n/y in salery.
Saves IN one yr on Green's deal, 2 young players.


Minnesota would be trading away the three best players involved in that trade. I don't see them doing that.


Yeah... I don't see them committing that money to Green, who really isn't much of an NBA player. Williams has actually played really well since Love went down... I think his trade value is a good deal higher than that.

imbtyler
02-20-2013, 12:10 PM
I would take Williams, or Jones, for a small price, and would really love any of Minnesota's "multiple firsts", even if we had to give up someone big. Williams + two 2013 firsts + 2014 first in exchange for Granger would almost be enough, enticement-wise (DraftExpress (http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2013/) projects Minny's first picks at 9 and 25; in which Minny would pick Oladipo and LeBryan Nash).

spreedom
02-20-2013, 12:14 PM
I would take Williams, or Jones, for a small price, and would really love any of Minnesota's "multiple firsts", even if we had to give up someone big. Williams + two 2013 firsts + 2014 first in exchange for Granger would almost be enough, enticement-wise (DraftExpress (http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2013/) projects Minny's first picks at 9 and 25; in which Minny would pick Oladipo and LeBryan Nash).

I know you're talking completely hypothetically, but Minnesota can't trade picks in consecutive drafts. And I doubt they'd give up 3 firsts for Granger.

cgg
02-20-2013, 12:17 PM
I know you're talking completely hypothetically, but Minnesota can't trade picks in consecutive drafts. And I doubt they'd give up 3 firsts for Granger.

I think they have to give one of them to the Suns too.

BillS
02-20-2013, 12:18 PM
I know you're talking completely hypothetically, but Minnesota can't trade picks in consecutive drafts. And I doubt they'd give up 3 firsts for Granger.

Notwithstanding that I agree with the conclusion, as long as they have a first in the draft they can trade their others. Didn't they end up with 3 first round picks in 2013, or am I remembering wrong/juxtaposing with a couple of years ago?

cgg
02-20-2013, 12:19 PM
Notwithstanding that I agree with the conclusion, as long as they have a first in the draft they can trade their others. Didn't they end up with 3 first round picks in 2013, or am I remembering wrong/juxtaposing with a couple of years ago?

They have 2 picks in this draft, but the less favorable one goes to Phoenix if one of them is not in the lottery.

90'sNBARocked
02-20-2013, 12:19 PM
Is Gerald Green Indiana’s Big Trade Chip?

Read more at http://www.hoopsworld.com/is-gerald-green-indianas-big-trade-chip/#l1HwDUxPkH6wV9s4.99


The Indiana Pacers would like to add to their roster for a post-season run and it seems Gerald Green and Lance Stephenson may be the odd guys out.

There has been a lot of speculation that Indiana would look to move Danny Granger at the deadline and league sources still contend that a move involving Danny is possible, just not very likely at this stage in the game.

The Pacers have been sniffing around for smaller more cosmetic deals, and Green seems to be the main piece they are trying to sell. Unfortunately the reason Indiana is looking at Green related deals, is the same reason they may not have anything doable at the deadline; he just doesn’t have a lot of value.

Indiana would like to do something, so you can expect them to be linked to several things before the deadline, however moving Danny Granger may not be one of them. If the Pacers struggle in the post-season you can put moving Danny at the front of Draft/Offseason to-do list, it just doesn’t look like something they can do and return anything of value before Thursday.
– Steve Kyler

cgg
02-20-2013, 12:22 PM
Is Gerald Green Indiana’s Big Trade Chip?

Read more at http://www.hoopsworld.com/is-gerald-green-indianas-big-trade-chip/#l1HwDUxPkH6wV9s4.99


– Steve Kyler

I remember when he thought we wanted to play Tyler as a 40MPG starter.

Trader Joe
02-20-2013, 12:24 PM
Beginning to wonder if Rondo for Josh Smith is actually a thing that could happen....

Banta
02-20-2013, 12:30 PM
I like the idea of bringing in Redick, even as a rental. However, to do it there has to be a young prospect coming to the Pacers. I would love to see tptb put together something for Redick and Nicholson, who could study under West for a couple of years. In that scenario, I actually think Nicholson is the more important piece. I do believe the Pacers have the assets to make that happen without disrupting their core.

Unfortunately, I fear Orlando may know what they have in Nicholson. Perhaps for a lower price, a trade for Redick and O'Quinn would be worth considering.

CableKC
02-20-2013, 12:32 PM
Im reading through a lot of the rumors...and it would seem that a 1st round pick could net you solid rotational Players in return...not only for Reddick....but Players like JJ Hickson ( also an expiring....but has a no-trade clause ) and Ross.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ken-berger/21733493/trade-buzz-hawks-struggling-to-land-prime-assets-for-josh-smith

Banta
02-20-2013, 12:33 PM
Stephenson is the odd guy out? But then he makes no further mention of him at all. LOL. If he thinks Stephenson is the odd man out, he doesn't have a clue. I bet Stephenson is dang near untouchable in that front office.

CableKC
02-20-2013, 12:33 PM
Beginning to wonder if Rondo for Josh Smith is actually a thing that could happen....
Why do you think that?

The Hawks already have Teague running the point.:shrug:

CableKC
02-20-2013, 12:39 PM
Is Gerald Green Indiana’s Big Trade Chip?

Read more at http://www.hoopsworld.com/is-gerald-green-indianas-big-trade-chip/#l1HwDUxPkH6wV9s4.99


– Steve Kyler
My guess is that the best the Pacers can do to move Green would be to take back a similar $3-4.3 mil per year / 3 year contract....which I think will be difficult to find. Given that many Teams are now weary of the LT and long-term contracts... it would be a "I trade you my crappy long-term contract for your crappy long-term contract" type of trade where the Pacers take on the bigger long-term contract in return.

The only one that I can find that would make some sense and something that I would prefer...would be to see if the Suns would be interested in trading Green for Dudley. Both have similar contracts....but at least Dudley is proven and a solid Player.

Nonetheless....moving Green would be harder to do this year compared to years before......my guess is that if you don't like Green for various reasons....you better get used to him on the roster.

Speed
02-20-2013, 12:40 PM
Stephenson is the odd guy out? But then he makes no further mention of him at all. LOL. If he thinks Stephenson is the odd man out, he doesn't have a clue. I bet Stephenson is dang near untouchable in that front office.

Maybe not untouchable, but I doubt you could get back in a trade what he's worth to you. I'd hate to see him moved. I'd like to see if he makes Danny expendable when he expires. I'd hate to develop Lance for some other team to reap the benefits.

Trader Joe
02-20-2013, 12:42 PM
Why do you think that?

The Hawks already have Teague running the point.:shrug:

Enough people bouncing it around on twitter. The motivation to load up for one more run with PP and KG....Rondo is a lot better than Teague for ATL. The Hawks can't win a title this year and Smith is probably gone, so why not try to buidl around Rondo and Horford?

Heisenberg
02-20-2013, 12:43 PM
My guess is that the best the Pacers can do to move Green would be to take back a similar $3-4.3 mil per year / 3 year contract....which I think will be difficult to find. Given that many Teams are now weary of the LT and long-term contracts... it would be a "I trade you my crappy long-term contract for your crappy long-term contract" type of trade where the Pacers take on the bigger long-term contract in return.

This would make it harder to move him for these reasons....my guess is that if you don't like Green for various reasons....you better get used to him on the roster.
Agreed. Nobody, and I mean nobody, is trading FOR Gerald Green. Especially not with 2 years left on his deal. If Danny was healthy and playing all year and a caveat was taking Green, or the team wasn't good and someone wanted West's expiring deal but you gotta take Green, that's the kind of stuff where Green would get traded.

Lance George
02-20-2013, 12:51 PM
It's looking doubtful that Rondo will be moved.


Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS (https://twitter.com/KBergCBS/status/304278690144067584)
I'm told the "right deal" for Rondo would be: Dwight Howard, Chris Paul or a massive haul of assets like Denver got for Melo. Not happening.

CableKC
02-20-2013, 12:52 PM
Enough people bouncing it around on twitter. The motivation to load up for one more run with PP and KG....Rondo is a lot better than Teague for ATL. The Hawks can't win a title this year and Smith is probably gone, so why not try to buidl around Rondo and Horford?
I'm reading that Ferry is weighing the possiblity of keeping as much capspace to make a run at Dwight ( an Atlanta native ). Taking on Rondo would eliminate that.

What I don't get is why Ainge would even consider moving Rondo in the first place. I just don't get all of this "tear down the whole franchise and rebuild from scratch cuz Rondo is out this season" mentality that Ainge is taking. When I look at the Celtics roster...most notably the HORRIFIC 3 year / $5 to 6 mil PER YEAR Long-term Contracts to Bass, Terry and Courtney Lee ( ALL near impossible contracts to move in today's Post-CBA Salary-Cap conscious NBA )...I think go myself that the Team just has to make the deepest run into the Playoffs as they can this season ( even if it means a loss in the 1st round ) and then restart the process with the same core next season. The reality is that the Celtics will still have a lot of bad contracts that will hinder their ability to significantly improve.

CableKC
02-20-2013, 12:55 PM
Agreed. Nobody, and I mean nobody, is trading FOR Gerald Green. Especially not with 2 years left on his deal. If Danny was healthy and playing all year and a caveat was taking Green, or the team wasn't good and someone wanted West's expiring deal but you gotta take Green, that's the kind of stuff where Green would get traded.
Exactly......the only deal where Green would be moved would be taking on a worse contract. The problem is that there isn't such a deal that would make sense. As I suggested....a Green for Dudley move would make sense ASSUMING that Granger is moved in the offseason where Dudley ( IMHO a very solid "Swiss Army Knife" 6th-7th WingMan that can play defense and score ) could fill the role in the rotation next season.

Lance George
02-20-2013, 12:55 PM
Chad Ford with a trade deadline chat on ESPN. (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/47144)

Since86
02-20-2013, 12:56 PM
Maybe not untouchable, but I doubt you could get back in a trade what he's worth to you. I'd hate to see him moved. I'd like to see if he makes Danny expendable when he expires. I'd hate to develop Lance for some other team to reap the benefits.

He makes less than a million next year. Might be one of the best contracts, right now, so far as price vs production.

Heisenberg
02-20-2013, 01:04 PM
Chad Ford with a trade deadline chat on ESPN. (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/47144)

wonder if he'll answer my mocking David Morway's your Pacers source "question"

Lance George
02-20-2013, 01:21 PM
Uh oh...


Michele (Los Angeles)
Are the Hornets considering dealing Eric Gordon?

Chad Ford (1:23 PM)
Yes. I mean, c'mon, they've got Austin Rivers waiting in the wings! But teams are wary because of his injury history. Teams like the Warriors have shown interest. The Pacers have shown lots of interest in the past. The question is whether their doctors can get comfortable enough with Gordon's medical issues to give up something of value and take on his huge contract.

Trader Joe
02-20-2013, 01:21 PM
Dave (Indianapolis)

Are the Pacers holding Granger out tonight because he's being traded? What do you think the Pacers should do with him?
Chad Ford (1:26 PM)


Everything quiet out of Indy right now. A number of rival GMs think it's highly unlikely they move Granger right now and think it's more likely he's gone this summer. However, if the right deal came along? I still think there's a possibility they move him.

Will Galen
02-20-2013, 01:21 PM
I haven't looked at it but the one team that might be interested in Green is Brooklyn. He had a good year there last year.

Heisenberg
02-20-2013, 01:22 PM
Uh oh...

Ford think the Pacers want Gordon. News at 11.

Trader Joe
02-20-2013, 01:23 PM
Ford think the Pacers want Gordon. News at 11.

Exactly. Gordon doesn't have much value right now IMO. I don't see NO being able to move him in a deal that makes sense.

Will Galen
02-20-2013, 01:24 PM
Ford think the Pacers want Gordon. News at 11.

Yeah, him and Artest.

Pacer Fan
02-20-2013, 01:26 PM
I know many will disagree, but I do think Green has value to some teams. 3.5 mil for 2 more years is not a bad contract. A team like Houston or Wolves really needs and can use a guy like Green. Houston is all run and gun, very similar play to Jersey last year where Green did a fine job. Houston doesn't even have to give anyone back. They can absorb him and they will be 13mil under cap this summer plus more if they move more players in a trade this summer. Also, Moray wants picks for future trades. I'm just saying this cause a team could take Green as a 3rd team and get a 2nd rnd pick if need be in order for the Pacers to make a deal to bringing someone in.

Example
Orlando receives DJ and OJ and a 2nd rnd pick
Houston receives Green and a 1st
Pacers receives JJ Reddick and Terrance Jones

I know Magic wants a 1st but DJ would give them a look for future signing. OJ is cheap and promising and they get a 2nd pick. Could even give them the Warrior pick.

PacerPride33
02-20-2013, 01:30 PM
http://www.examiner.com/article/nba-trade-rumors-2013-danny-granger-trade-to-new-york-knicks-possible

2013 NBA trade rumors now include a possible Danny Granger trade to the New York Knicks. This trade rumor with the Knicks seems to have begun with an article from The Sporting News on Tuesday (Feb. 19). In the deal, the Indiana Pacers would give up Granger in exchange for Iman Shumpert, Marcus Camby, Steve Novak, and James White.

The reason a trade like this works for the Knicks is that Granger can be a very tough defender on opposing small forwards. That would allow the Knicks to put him on LeBron James in the postseason and have Carmelo Anthony continue to log heavy minutes at the power forward position. He is also capable of putting up a lot of points on offense, giving the Knicks yet another weapon from three-point range.

Giving up Shumpert would be a tough pill to swallow, but getting an explosive player like Granger could be a difference-maker in the postseason. The reason the Pacers make a trade like this is to shed salary and bring on a young guard in Shumpert. The other pieces might help in the playoffs this season and White could add value in the long-term. Being able to get out of the contract ($14 million in 2013-14) that Granger has might make this a very hard deal for the Pacers to pass up.

These 2013 NBA trade rumors aren't the first to suggest a Danny Granger trade and they certainly won't be the last in the final hours before the deadline. The New York Knicks and Indiana Pacers don't necessarily need to make a deal this season, but there are elements of a Granger for Iman Shumpert trade that simply make a lot of sense.

Heisenberg
02-20-2013, 01:34 PM
examiner.com is like Bleacher Report. I can sign up and write right now. hell outta here with that.

thatch3232
02-20-2013, 01:35 PM
http://www.examiner.com/article/nba-trade-rumors-2013-danny-granger-trade-to-new-york-knicks-possible

2013 NBA trade rumors now include a possible Danny Granger trade to the New York Knicks. This trade rumor with the Knicks seems to have begun with an article from The Sporting News on Tuesday (Feb. 19). In the deal, the Indiana Pacers would give up Granger in exchange for Iman Shumpert, Marcus Camby, Steve Novak, and James White.

The reason a trade like this works for the Knicks is that Granger can be a very tough defender on opposing small forwards. That would allow the Knicks to put him on LeBron James in the postseason and have Carmelo Anthony continue to log heavy minutes at the power forward position. He is also capable of putting up a lot of points on offense, giving the Knicks yet another weapon from three-point range.

Giving up Shumpert would be a tough pill to swallow, but getting an explosive player like Granger could be a difference-maker in the postseason. The reason the Pacers make a trade like this is to shed salary and bring on a young guard in Shumpert. The other pieces might help in the playoffs this season and White could add value in the long-term. Being able to get out of the contract ($14 million in 2013-14) that Granger has might make this a very hard deal for the Pacers to pass up.

These 2013 NBA trade rumors aren't the first to suggest a Danny Granger trade and they certainly won't be the last in the final hours before the deadline. The New York Knicks and Indiana Pacers don't necessarily need to make a deal this season, but there are elements of a Granger for Iman Shumpert trade that simply make a lot of sense.

I'm all for this trade, just don't see it as a realistic possibility. Any other sources confirming this rumor?

Heisenberg
02-20-2013, 01:36 PM
I'm all for this trade, just don't see it as a realistic possibility. Any other sources confirming this rumor?

you're what?

thatch3232
02-20-2013, 01:37 PM
you're what?

All for it?

LetsTalkPacers84
02-20-2013, 01:38 PM
Great we trade Granger for Shumpert and three guys we have cut and continue to pay. Great deal. No roster spot, some people. Smh. If you're going to make up BS trades. At least make sure they're possible.

CableKC
02-20-2013, 01:38 PM
http://www.examiner.com/article/nba-trade-rumors-2013-danny-granger-trade-to-new-york-knicks-possible

2013 NBA trade rumors now include a possible Danny Granger trade to the New York Knicks. This trade rumor with the Knicks seems to have begun with an article from The Sporting News on Tuesday (Feb. 19). In the deal, the Indiana Pacers would give up Granger in exchange for Iman Shumpert, Marcus Camby, Steve Novak, and James White.

The reason a trade like this works for the Knicks is that Granger can be a very tough defender on opposing small forwards. That would allow the Knicks to put him on LeBron James in the postseason and have Carmelo Anthony continue to log heavy minutes at the power forward position. He is also capable of putting up a lot of points on offense, giving the Knicks yet another weapon from three-point range.

Giving up Shumpert would be a tough pill to swallow, but getting an explosive player like Granger could be a difference-maker in the postseason. The reason the Pacers make a trade like this is to shed salary and bring on a young guard in Shumpert. The other pieces might help in the playoffs this season and White could add value in the long-term. Being able to get out of the contract ($14 million in 2013-14) that Granger has might make this a very hard deal for the Pacers to pass up.

These 2013 NBA trade rumors aren't the first to suggest a Danny Granger trade and they certainly won't be the last in the final hours before the deadline. The New York Knicks and Indiana Pacers don't necessarily need to make a deal this season, but there are elements of a Granger for Iman Shumpert trade that simply make a lot of sense.
Makes Zero sense to me, this sounds more like a "The Pacers could deal Granger...let's cobble all of our lower end contracts together to make the Salaries match and see if that works" . Let's add Novak's salary to the list of WingMen that we already have that have immovable contracts...while considering that Camby WON'T come to Indy to sit on the bench....then look at the # of Players that the Knicks are sending Indy.

This article and the writer...I'm not talking about PacerPride33 nor the post.....should be banned from writing about un-realistic trade scenarios.

Trader Joe
02-20-2013, 01:41 PM
Yep, the number 2 and number 3 seeds in the East are going to do a trade at the trade deadline. Totally logical.

Ace E.Anderson
02-20-2013, 01:44 PM
http://www.examiner.com/article/nba-trade-rumors-2013-danny-granger-trade-to-new-york-knicks-possible

2013 NBA trade rumors now include a possible Danny Granger trade to the New York Knicks. This trade rumor with the Knicks seems to have begun with an article from The Sporting News on Tuesday (Feb. 19). In the deal, the Indiana Pacers would give up Granger in exchange for Iman Shumpert, Marcus Camby, Steve Novak, and James White.

The reason a trade like this works for the Knicks is that Granger can be a very tough defender on opposing small forwards. That would allow the Knicks to put him on LeBron James in the postseason and have Carmelo Anthony continue to log heavy minutes at the power forward position. He is also capable of putting up a lot of points on offense, giving the Knicks yet another weapon from three-point range.

Giving up Shumpert would be a tough pill to swallow, but getting an explosive player like Granger could be a difference-maker in the postseason. The reason the Pacers make a trade like this is to shed salary and bring on a young guard in Shumpert. The other pieces might help in the playoffs this season and White could add value in the long-term. Being able to get out of the contract ($14 million in 2013-14) that Granger has might make this a very hard deal for the Pacers to pass up.

These 2013 NBA trade rumors aren't the first to suggest a Danny Granger trade and they certainly won't be the last in the final hours before the deadline. The New York Knicks and Indiana Pacers don't necessarily need to make a deal this season, but there are elements of a Granger for Iman Shumpert trade that simply make a lot of sense.

HORRIBLE trade. At this point Shumpert and Lance are almost redundant with the difference being Lance's shooting ability and Shumperts defensive ability (which may decrease after knee surgery)

NO to Camby, HELL NO to James White, and though we could use a shooter like Novak, idk if he would see the floor given his lack of defense or anything close to rebounding.

cgg
02-20-2013, 01:52 PM
That website takes random speculation, rewords it, and reports it as real reports.

Follow the link that they list as their source. It's listed as "The rumor that should be (but isnít)"

Since86
02-20-2013, 01:53 PM
You could seriously throw darts at a board and come up with a better proposal.

*astrisk*
02-20-2013, 02:23 PM
Granger trade chat on espn radio svp show... 3 minutes

Justin Tyme
02-20-2013, 02:33 PM
I still think the Pacers should go after him. I'm still a big JO fanand want him back in a Pacers uniform. I can't help it. :shrug:


I wouldn't be opposed to it. We are only talking 29 reg games and playoff games. It's not like you are stuck with him like with Green. If nothing else, get him from beinging picked up by a EC team who needs help in the playoffs.

*astrisk*
02-20-2013, 02:33 PM
Floated Danny to Utah for Millsap again. Said we could then let DWest walk and keep the younger Millsap for cheaper... But said ultimately we are keeping Granger and will seriously contend with Miami.

Justin Tyme
02-20-2013, 02:35 PM
I'd go after him because I think he'd help, but I'd also go after him just so Miami couldn't go after him.


Absolutely!!!!!!

TinManJoshua
02-20-2013, 02:41 PM
I think you shouldn't have to say "If the right deal came along" about any player ever brought up in trade talks. That's obvious. The "right deal" is winning the trade, and everybody wants that.

KingGeorge_24
02-20-2013, 02:43 PM
Floated Danny to Utah for Millsap again. Said we could then let DWest walk and keep the younger Millsap for cheaper... But said ultimately we are keeping Granger and will seriously contend with Miami.

Yea ive always liked Milsap prior to us signing West. West has been my favorite big man since ive been watching basketball . I have mixed feelings on what to do especially since Granger is my favorite player. I would rather keep West though. For now.

Justin Tyme
02-20-2013, 02:45 PM
[QUOTE=CableKC;1590556]

Hickson ( also an expiring....but has a no-trade clause ) /QUOTE]


That absolutely astounds me! JJ with a no-trade clause. WOW!

He put up 25/16 last night.

Psyren
02-20-2013, 02:47 PM
So far a very, very, very quite deadline league wide.

Nuntius
02-20-2013, 02:49 PM
Said we could then let DWest walk and keep the younger Millsap for cheaper...

Except that Millsap won't be any cheaper than West ;)

CableKC
02-20-2013, 02:50 PM
Hickson ( also an expiring....but has a no-trade clause )

That absolutely astounds me! JJ with a no-trade clause. WOW!

He put up 25/16 last night.
I think it's a no-trade clause....if that is the same as him vetoing any trade that he is part of. Either way...if he waives it and accepts a trade...he loses his Bird Rights when he becomes a UFA next season.


When I told him it didn’t seem to make sense for him to accept a trade (because he would lose his Bird rights) and I didn’t see a scenario in which a trade would happen, Hickson flashed his big pearly whites and nodded in approval. “There you go then — you just said it,” he said, laughing. “You just answered all your questions.”

Read more at http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#hcim5DBslsvT7qhb.99

If any Team is interested in Hickson....just wait til the offseason and make him an offer.

Sparhawk
02-20-2013, 02:51 PM
Hawks, hurry up and deal Smith. Trade him and Morrow for Gortat, Wesley Johnson, Jared Dudley and pick.

or Smith for Mislap and Kanter


Just get it done already, so the other dominoes can fall.

Heisenberg
02-20-2013, 02:52 PM
[QUOTE=CableKC;1590556]

Hickson ( also an expiring....but has a no-trade clause ) /QUOTE]


That absolutely astounds me! JJ with a no-trade clause. WOW!

He put up 25/16 last night.

Hickson has a no trade clause because of the structure of his contract. That sounds obvious I know lol, but it's a league mandated thing, it's not something that was outright negotiated.

Nuntius
02-20-2013, 02:52 PM
Then who gets cut?

Ben is the most probable, I guess.

CableKC
02-20-2013, 02:52 PM
So far a very, very, very QUIET ( AND UTTERLY BORING :banghead: ) deadline league wide.
GRAMMAR POLICE!!!! j/k....but fixed. ;)