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Coopdog23
02-14-2013, 01:49 PM
Starters:
PG- Mark Jackson
SG- Reggie Miller
SF- Roger Brown
PF- Mel Daniels
C- Rik Smits

Bench:
George McGinnis, Rick Mount, Dale/Antonio Davis, Jalen Rose, Jermaine O'Neal

Slick Pinkham
02-14-2013, 02:03 PM
Rick Mount was a fine college player but his pro career, especially as a Pacer, was pretty much worthless (40% shooter in 2 seasons).

If you want a Boiler on there, pick the far superior ABA player, Billy Keller. And Mel never played PF a second of his life.

PG Mark, SG Reggie, SF Roger, PF George, C Mel

bench: Rik, Dale Davis, Billy Knight, Chuck Person, Freddie Lewis, Jermaine, Bob Netolicky, Billy Keller, Derrick McKey

soon to be added: Paul George

GrangerRanger
02-14-2013, 02:06 PM
PG - Travis Best
SG - Jalen Rose
SF - Paul George
PF - Antonio Davis
C - Jeff Foster

Fred Jones, Mark Jackson, Reginald Miller, Herb Williams, Derrick McKay, and Lance Stephenson as my bench.

cgg
02-14-2013, 02:11 PM
Fred Jones?!

Coopdog23
02-14-2013, 02:12 PM
PG - Travis Best
SG - Jalen Rose
SF - Paul George
PF - Antonio Davis
C - Jeff Foster

Fred Jones, Mark Jackson, Reginald Miller, Herb Williams, Derrick McKay, and Lance Stephenson as my bench.

You must be joking not starting Reggie

glazedham42
02-14-2013, 02:18 PM
You must be joking not starting Reggie

AND completely leaving off Zan Tabak and Primoz Brezec. Ridiculous.....

BillS
02-14-2013, 02:32 PM
Hmm. I'd have to think real seriously about starting Buse over Jackson at PG, if just for the defense. Definitely Mel at center, Big Mac at PF, Reggie at SG, Rajah at SF.

yoadknux
02-14-2013, 02:35 PM
Mark
Reggie
Prime Artest (if he's too sicko then prime Granger)
JO
Smits

Ransom
02-14-2013, 02:43 PM
G Jackson
G Reggie
F R. Brown
F M. Daniels
C J. O'Neal

Bench: McGinnis, Person, Granger, Smits, Artest, Kellogg, D. Schrempf

Injured Reserve: D. Davis, Paul George, Billy Keller

Slick Pinkham
02-14-2013, 02:49 PM
Here's a table showing the 17 Pacers who have made all-star teams. Mark Jackson next made an all-star team as a Pacer, whereas Buse made 2 and Freddie Lewis 3.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/IND/all_star.html

gummy
02-14-2013, 03:06 PM
PG - Travis Best
SG - Jalen Rose
SF - Paul George
PF - Antonio Davis
C - Jeff Foster

Fred Jones, Mark Jackson, Reginald Miller, Herb Williams, Derrick McKay, and Lance Stephenson as my bench.

Not sure if serious...

duke dynamite
02-14-2013, 03:08 PM
http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/40th_team_070414.html

beast23
02-14-2013, 03:12 PM
I'll take Slick PinkhamS selections. The only possible difference might be in the bench, where I might be tempted to work in Don Buse.

Slick Pinkham
02-14-2013, 03:20 PM
I'll take Slick PinkhamS selections. The only possible difference might be in the bench, where I might be tempted to work in Don Buse.

Buse vs. Freddie Lewis vs. Billy Keller was a tough choice and I figured I had to take two.

I debated putting on Clark Kellogg just to get ChicagoJ's attention. :devil:

OlBlu
02-14-2013, 03:28 PM
Starters:
PG- Mark Jackson
SG- Reggie Miller
SF- Roger Brown
PF- Mel Daniels
C- Rik Smits

Bench:
George McGinnis, Rick Mount, Dale/Antonio Davis, Jalen Rose, Jermaine O'Neal

You lost all credibility naming Rick Mount who was very mediocre indeed. Also, listing Mel Daniels as a PF is wrong because he was a PF. I would have Mel as the starting center and Smits on the bench. McGinnis would be the PF although he was more like a SF. I would also put Freddie Lewis on this team. I would not have Jalen Rose on it. I would put Granger on in his place. :cool: ...

McKeyFan
02-14-2013, 03:30 PM
All time defensive:

1. George Hill
2. Ron Artest
3. Derrick McKey
4. Dale Davis
5. Jermaine O'Neal

Paul George is just about to get there.

Slick Pinkham
02-14-2013, 03:36 PM
My all-anything-positive Pacer team will never have Ron Artest on it. That's like having a turd in the punch bowl.

Downtown Bang!
02-14-2013, 04:02 PM
Buse should not only be on the team but should "start" over Jackson.

McKeyFan
02-14-2013, 04:05 PM
My all-anything-positive Pacer team will never have Ron Artest on it. That's like having a turd in the punch bowl.

Best punch ever . . . for the few minutes it was turdless.

OlBlu
02-14-2013, 04:09 PM
Buse should not only be on the team but should "start" over Jackson.

No he shouldn't. Check the stats for career assists..... Jackson is the easy choice.....:cool: ...

circlecitysportsfan
02-14-2013, 04:24 PM
I'll go only the guys i've seen play. I'm 32 and i've been watching the Pacers since the late 80's.

Starters:

Mark Jackson 95-00
Reggie Miller 87-05
Paul George 12-
Jermaine O'Neal 01-04
Rik Smits 94-00

Bench:
Dale Davis 94-00
Antonio Davis 94-00
Ron Artest 02-04
Jalen Rose 98-02
Michael Williams 91-94
Chuck Person 86-92
Detlef Schremph 89-93
Derrick McKey 94-98

Downtown Bang!
02-14-2013, 04:28 PM
No he shouldn't. Check the stats for career assists..... Jackson is the easy choice.....:cool: ...

Your opinion.

IMO there is more to playing the position than piling up assists in the regular season against weak teams. How many assists was Jackson earning from the bench in the fourth quarter of so many key playoff games.

beast23
02-14-2013, 05:46 PM
All time defensive:

1. George Hill
2. Ron Artest
3. Derrick McKey
4. Dale Davis
5. Jermaine O'Neal

Paul George is just about to get there.
And replace Hill with Buse and I can go for that.

OlBlu
02-14-2013, 06:08 PM
Your opinion.

IMO there is more to playing the position than piling up assists in the regular season against weak teams. How many assists was Jackson earning from the bench in the fourth quarter of so many key playoff games.

There is a difference in playing in the ABA and the NBA too. Buse's best days were behind him when he came here. :cool: ...

Coopdog23
02-14-2013, 06:10 PM
You lost all credibility naming Rick Mount who was very mediocre indeed. Also, listing Mel Daniels as a PF is wrong because he was a PF. I would have Mel as the starting center and Smits on the bench. McGinnis would be the PF although he was more like a SF. I would also put Freddie Lewis on this team. I would not have Jalen Rose on it. I would put Granger on in his place. :cool: ...

I didn't see them play so I wasn't sure. I just know they were all very solid players

ChicagoJ
02-14-2013, 07:22 PM
Okay, fine. Let's try this one...

PG - Micheal Williams
SG - Reggie Miller
SF - Chuck Person
PF - Tank Thompson
C - Rik Smits

Bench: Scott Skiles, Vern Fleming, Randy Wittman, Ron Anderson, Dale Davis, Mike Sanders, Greg Dreiling.


:zip:

BillS
02-14-2013, 07:25 PM
Okay, fine. Let's try this one...

PG - Micheal Williams
SG - Reggie Miller
SF - Chuck Person
PF - Tank Thompson
C - Rik Smits

Bench: Scott Skiles, Vern Fleming, Randy Wittman, Ron Anderson, Dale Davis, Mike Sanders, Greg Dreiling.


:zip:

:shudder:

Strummer
02-14-2013, 07:34 PM
All time defensive:

1. George Hill
2. Ron Artest
3. Derrick McKey
4. Dale Davis
5. Jermaine O'Neal

Paul George is just about to get there.

No Dudley Bradley? He still holds the NBA rookie record for steals.

Most steals, rookie season
211 - Dudley Bradley, Indiana, 1979-80
209 - Ron Harper, Cleveland, 1987-87
205 - Mark Jackson, New York, 1987-88

BobbyMac
02-14-2013, 07:59 PM
There is a difference in playing in the ABA and the NBA too. Buse's best days were behind him when he came here. :cool: ...

Buse started with the Pacers, then played with us again after a stint with the Suns.

cinotimz
02-14-2013, 08:05 PM
These are the 5 guys I would put on the floor and take my chances with: Roger Brown, Reggie Miller, Ron Artest, Jermaine O'neal and Mel Daniels. Now i pretty much despise Jermaine Oneal....yet...he definitely belongs to be there...Id put that 5 up against any other 5 and like my odds, regardless of the traditional position designations...

BobbyMac
02-14-2013, 08:12 PM
Since I started watching the Pacers in 1967 I have seen almost every top player the Pacers have had. Here is my “All Time” Pacers team. Most of them are based on a minimum of 5 years in a Pacer uniform.
Top 3 at each position:

PG: Freddie Lewis, Don Buse, Mark Jackson
SG: Reggie Miller, Billy Knight, Jalen Rose
SF: Roger Brown, Chuck Person, Danny Granger
PF: George McGinnis, Jermaine O’Neal, Bob Netolicky
C: Mel Daniels, Rik Smits, Dale Davis

I know that Davis was listed as a PF but really played more as a center, esp on defense.

Strummer
02-14-2013, 08:14 PM
Buse started with the Pacers, then played with us again after a stint with the Suns.

And Buse was an all star for the Pacers in both the ABA and NBA before he played for Phoenix.

PacersPride
02-14-2013, 08:54 PM
D WEST

Downtown Bang!
02-14-2013, 09:09 PM
Vern Fleming is not that far behind Jackson. He just played on some pretty bad teams for too many years.

Freddie Lewis in my mind was more of combo guard and could really score the ball but certainly deserves mention too.

beast23
02-14-2013, 09:36 PM
Buse started with the Pacers, then played with us again after a stint with the Suns.
Buse was all-NBA defensive first team while playing for the Indiana Pacers 76-77. He repeated that accomplishment for the following 3 seasons after being traded.

croz24
02-15-2013, 01:33 AM
There should be 4 fixtures on everybody's list... Miller, Brown, Daniels, and McGinnis.

Peck
02-15-2013, 03:53 AM
PG Don Buse
Sg Reggie Miller
SF Roger Brown
PF George McGinnis
C Mel Daniels

Bench

Mark Jackson, Billy Knight, Danny Granger, Dale Davis, Jermaine O'Neal, Clark Kellogg, David West

Doug
02-15-2013, 07:21 AM
I'll take Rose and Mckey at small forward, but only if I can have them both play the position at the same time - Jalen plays offense and Derrick plays defense. :-)

OlBlu
02-15-2013, 09:36 AM
PG Don Buse
Sg Reggie Miller
SF Roger Brown
PF George McGinnis
C Mel Daniels

Bench

Mark Jackson, Billy Knight, Danny Granger, Dale Davis, Jermaine O'Neal, Clark Kellogg, David West

Good choices....:cool: ...

Unclebuck
02-15-2013, 09:42 AM
As I always say I cannot pick players I didn't see play. So that cuts off any players before 1980.

Mark Jackson
Reggie Miller
McKey
Dale Davis
David West.

I guess I'm not very good at this. Would kind of like to see the West - Dale Davis combo though. Don't take my picks too seriously. Might also like to see Sobers and Mike Banton play again. Would to see if Dudley Bradley really was a good defender. Wish Stipo and Logg didn't have knee injuries.

Sollozzo
02-15-2013, 10:02 AM
As I always say I cannot pick players I didn't see play. So that cuts off any players before 1980.

Mark Jackson
Reggie Miller
McKey
Dale Davis
Mark West.

I guess I'm not very good at this. Would kind of like to see the West - Dale Davis combo though. Don't take my picks too seriously. Might also like to see Sobers and Mike Banton play again. Would to see if Dudley Bradley really was a good defender. Wish Stipo and Logg didn't have knee injuries.


Surely you mean David West, and not the old Mark West who played 15 games here in 1998.

ChicagoJ
02-15-2013, 10:06 AM
As I always say I cannot pick players I didn't see play. So that cuts off any players before 1980.

Mark Jackson
Reggie Miller
McKey
Dale Davis
Mark West.

I guess I'm not very good at this. Would kind of like to see the West - Dale Davis combo though. Don't take my picks too seriously. Might also like to see Sobers and Mike Banton play again. Would to see if Dudley Bradley really was a good defender. Wish Stipo and Logg didn't have knee injuries.

At least my lineup would go 0.500, shooting their way to 123-119 wins or losing games 110-116.

Your lineup would struggle to win 30 games, putting up about 62 points a night. No matter how good thier defense might be, they'd lose a lot of games 58-72.

:buddies:

ChicagoJ
02-15-2013, 10:11 AM
Surely you mean David West, and not the old Mark West who played 15 games here in 1998.

Mark West in his prime might be a great choice on an all-time Suns team.

If, on the other hand, we're going for the best basketball players to ever play for the Pacers, then shame on all of you for leaving off Alex English. (And Tim Hardaway.)

(And Adrian Dantley.)

(And Chris Mullin.)

Slick Pinkham
02-15-2013, 10:20 AM
The all-time BAMF, I'll take none of your crap, now get out of my way all-time Pacer team

C Mel Daniels
PF Dale Davis
other PF David West (got a problem with having two PFs? Get out of my face!)
SF/SG Ron Artest
PG Haywoode Workman

Slick Pinkham
02-15-2013, 10:25 AM
At the time they were playing for the Pacers, though, Mullin, Dantley, and English were not still all-star level players (in English's case: not yet an all-star level, Hall-of-fame level player)

It is a fair criticism that Mark Jackson can be viewed similarly, though, and made most people's lists

ChicagoJ
02-15-2013, 10:28 AM
The all-time BAMF, I'll take none of your crap, now get out of my way all-time Pacer team

C Mel Daniels
PF Dale Davis
other PF David West (got a problem with having two PFs? Get out of my face!)
SF/SG Ron Artest
PG Haywoode Workman

I don't see how Artest beats out a young, brash, cocky "Hollywood" Miller for that team. Minus the bipolar, Reggie still did it all better. Sure, Artest threw Jordan to the floor in a pickup game and broke Michael's ribs, but Reggie actually got under Michael's skin.

Sollozzo
02-15-2013, 10:28 AM
Mark West in his prime might be a great choice on an all-time Suns team.

If, on the other hand, we're going for the best basketball players to ever play for the Pacers, then shame on all of you for leaving off Alex English. (And Tim Hardaway.)

(And Adrian Dantley.)

(And Chris Mullin.)


Or Ricky Pierce. OK, I crossed the line there. But seriously, he was putting up some stats from 86-93. Made an all star team.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/piercri01.html

Unclebuck
02-15-2013, 10:32 AM
Surely you mean David West, and not the old Mark West who played 15 games here in 1998.

It's been a very long week, not much sleep

Strummer
02-15-2013, 10:53 AM
Might also like to see Sobers and Mike Banton play again.

Ricky Sobers, Johnny Davis, Vern Fleming. There are a bunch of guards in the same "good but not great" category. The teams they played on weren't very good so it's kind of hard to classify them.

ChicagoJ
02-15-2013, 11:02 AM
Or Ricky Pierce. OK, I crossed the line there. But seriously, he was putting up some stats from 86-93. Made an all star team.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/piercri01.html

Was thinking about adding him.

And Eddie Johnson, who I think might still be the all-time leading scorer to never play in an ASG.

The idea of signing both of them to two-year contracts in '95 was solid. But they were aging/ declining much faster than anticipated.

Slick Pinkham
02-15-2013, 11:09 AM
I don't see how Artest beats out a young, brash, cocky "Hollywood" Miller for that team. Minus the bipolar, Reggie still did it all better. Sure, Artest threw Jordan to the floor in a pickup game and broke Michael's ribs, but Reggie actually got under Michael's skin.

I guess I was thinking of physical rather than mental damage. Which would give an honorable mention to shorttime ABA center Reggie Harding, who famously carried loaded weapons, threatened teammates (poor "tweety bird" Jim Rayl in the Loose Balls story), eventually lost his job threatening his GM, and then even lost his life living the same way.

The all-time trash-talking /getting into your head team features Chuck and Reggie, obviously, but I may need help on filling out the other spots. "Super John" Williamson used to lay down the smack, but I'm drawing a bit of a blank otherwise.

ChicagoJ
02-15-2013, 11:10 AM
Here's another version, not an all-time best team at all. But rather my personal all-time favorite guys to cheer for, support/ based loosely on jerseys that I own: (Due to my age, this eliminates the ABA guys).

PG - Fleming, Hill
SG - Miller (duh), Knight, Mullin
SF - Person, Rose, Kenny Willliams
PF - West, Tisdale
C - Stipo, Hibbert

IR/ preseason roster - Bailey

ChicagoJ
02-15-2013, 11:12 AM
The all-time trash-talking /getting into your head team features Chuck and Reggie, obviously, but I may need help on filling out the other spots. "Super John" Williamson used to lay down the smack, but I'm drawing a bit of a blank otherwise.

For a trash-talking team, I think the following would work:

PG - vacant
SG - Miller
SF - Person
PF - vacant
C - vacant

I'd take that lineup vs. anybody else's. BRING IT ON.

Sollozzo
02-15-2013, 11:17 AM
IR/ preseason roster - Bailey

I bet the Pacers sold quite a few Bailey jerseys. Every once in a while you'll still see one.

ChicagoJ
02-15-2013, 11:24 AM
I bet the Pacers sold quite a few Bailey jerseys. Every once in a while you'll still see one.

Oh they sold a lot of them. And for a second-round choice, it made sense for everybody.

In his healthy pre-season, he played well when he was on the court. But so did Hoiberg. In fact, they both outplayed Travis during the preseason. Had they not drafted both of those guards, Bailey would have made that team.

But his knees were shot, he wouldn't have lasted long. And due to the knees he probably was only good during the games and probably wasn't worth much as a practice-only guy which I'm sure was what Brown was looking for in his 12th mand. He probably could've given you 10-14 mpg on game days and back-to-backs would've been tough. And the thing about him was - some NBA bench players just take up time and space. He would (and could) make plays if his run was short enough but he couldn't stay on the floor for long.

Sollozzo
02-15-2013, 11:36 AM
Damon isn't on the official Pacers all-time roster because he never played a regular season minute, but you can find him in the 1994-95 team photo in BLF.

Slick Pinkham
02-15-2013, 11:38 AM
The Jim O’Brien memorial “I shoot threes simply because there are no fours” team:

C Sam Perkins, Brad Miller
PF Troy Murphy, Austin Croshere, Terry Mills
SF Chuck Person, George McCloud
SG Reggie Miller, Billy Keller, Fred Hoiberg
PG Scott Skiles, Tim Hardaway, Sarunas Jasikevicius

ChicagoJ
02-15-2013, 11:53 AM
The Jim O’Brien memorial “I shoot threes simply because there are no fours” team:

C Sam Perkins, Brad Miller
PF Troy Murphy, Austin Croshere, Terry Mills
SF Chuck Person, George McCloud
SG Reggie Miller, Billy Keller, Fred Hoiberg
PG Scott Skiles, Tim Hardaway, Sarunas Jasikevicius


Joey Hassett ABSOLUTELY is the starting SG. Even over Reggie. The original 3-point gunner when those didn't exist.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hassejo01.html

I also think Granger gets the nod over Rifleman just because of the volume of three's that players take now.

Reggie and Chuck combined to average about 5 3FGAs per game, and that's with two of the top-20 alltime three point shooters. Now, it is considered good dispipline for a team to limit itself to a dozen attempts per game. Chuck's 7-10 game in the '91 playoffs was because the "heat check?" shot said, "YES YES YES!!". Not because he was always jacking up 10 3FGAs per game.

Sandman21
02-15-2013, 11:57 AM
I bet the Pacers sold quite a few Bailey jerseys. Every once in a while you'll still see one.

I would not be surprised if Damon holds the record for most NBA jerseys sold for a player who never played a regular season game.

In fact, I'd be shocked if he DIDN'T hold that record.

naptownmenace
02-15-2013, 12:03 PM
Only award winners and All-Stars make my roster.

PG Mark Jackson, SG Reggie, SF Roger Brown, PF Jermaine O'Neal, C Mel Daniels

bench: Rik Smits, Dale Davis, Danny Granger, Chuck Person, George McGinnis, Detlef Schrempf, Freddie Lewis, and Jalen Rose

Strummer
02-15-2013, 12:03 PM
I would not be surprised if Damon holds the record for most NBA jerseys sold for a player who never played a regular season game.

In fact, I'd be shocked if he DIDN'T hold that record.

I wonder if the Celtics sold a lot of Len Bias jerseys.

Strummer
02-15-2013, 12:06 PM
Only award winners and All-Stars make my roster.

PG Mark Jackson, SG Reggie, SF Roger Brown, PF Jermaine O'Neal, C Mel Daniels

bench: Rik Smits, Dale Davis, Danny Granger, Chuck Person, George McGinnis, Detlef Schrempf, Freddie Lewis, and Jalen Rose

Award winners? How about Danny Roundfield. 2nd team all NBA one year.

Slick Pinkham
02-15-2013, 12:26 PM
Joey Hassett ABSOLUTELY is the starting SG. Even over Reggie. The original 3-point gunner when those didn't exist.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hassejo01.html



I remember Joey, but was surprised to see that he played even 15 min per game in his year with the Pacers. It seemed to me like he only went in there when we wanted a 3.

This little factoid is amazing: In 1981-82 while playing for Golden State, Joe Hassett led the entire NBA in 3 point attempts, while playing just 11.6 minutes per game (Don Buse made more, though, leading the league, and in hindsight should be on my list as a PG).

Perspective: Larry Bird, playing 38 minutes a game, took 53 three pointers that year. Hassett, playing 11.6 minutes per game, took 214. Holy Jim O'Brien, batman, ice that man's arm down.

Sandman21
02-15-2013, 12:34 PM
I wonder if the Celtics sold a lot of Len Bias jerseys.

As far as I can tell, the only Bias Celt jerseys out there are knockoffs or ones that were made 20 years later.

In 94/95, the only Pacer jersey you saw more often around town than Damon was Reggie.

Peck
02-15-2013, 12:46 PM
Ricky Sobers, Johnny Davis, Vern Fleming. There are a bunch of guards in the same "good but not great" category. The teams they played on weren't very good so it's kind of hard to classify them.

The Ricky Sobers - Johnny Davis backcourt is one of my all time favorite combinations. Damn if we only had money back then we would have been able to keep Sobers. Micky Johnson was a decent player but we didn't keep him either (money again).

Strummer
02-15-2013, 12:57 PM
The Ricky Sobers - Johnny Davis backcourt is one of my all time favorite combinations. Damn if we only had money back then we would have been able to keep Sobers. Micky Johnson was a decent player but we didn't keep him either (money again).

My brother-in-law took me to a game that Mickey Johnson played in. Against the Lakers, I think. He was having a horrible night but just kept throwing the ball up. As he came down the court a fan stood up and yelled "Mickey! Mickey! Mickey!". He finally looked over at the fan and the fan waved his arms from side to side and yelled "Don't shoot!". We all laughed.

Peck
02-15-2013, 01:03 PM
My brother-in-law took me to a game that Mickey Johnson played in. Against the Lakers, I think. He was having a horrible night but just kept throwing the ball up. As he came down the court a fan stood up and yelled "Mickey! Mickey! Mickey!". He finally looked over at the fan and the fan waved his arms from side to side and yelled "Don't shoot!". We all laughed.

LOL

God those were some horrible teams.

Strummer
02-15-2013, 01:57 PM
LOL

God those were some horrible teams.

They were, but I still had a great time rooting for them. I don't understand the fans that aren't happy unless we're winning a championship.

ChicagoJ
02-15-2013, 04:37 PM
They were, but I still had a great time rooting for them. I don't understand the fans that aren't happy unless we're winning a championship.


That's true. And that's part of why I took the Jim O'Brien years off, so I could get back to just enjoying the team. I don't care about the salary cap any more. I'm not watching the rest of the league wondering who we could acquire that would make our team better. I'm just enjoying watching Hill mature, George growing up, West's toughness, and watching to see whenever Hibbert clicks and gets back to the player we know he can be. Looking forward to Danny's return.

I had reached the point where it wasn't fun any more - it was a job. I don't know if the constant 24/7 sports fan environment contributed or not. I love the PD community but at the same time this constant barrage can push us too far individually. I'm not running the team. And I've rediscovered that I enjoy it more if I'm not second-guessing everything.

(Just some things.)

beast23
02-15-2013, 05:32 PM
That's true. And that's part of why I took the Jim O'Brien years off, so I could get back to just enjoying the team. I don't care about the salary cap any more. I'm not watching the rest of the league wondering who we could acquire that would make our team better. I'm just enjoying watching Hill mature, George growing up, West's toughness, and watching to see whenever Hibbert clicks and gets back to the player we know he can be. Looking forward to Danny's return.

I had reached the point where it wasn't fun any more - it was a job. I don't know if the constant 24/7 sports fan environment contributed or not. I love the PD community but at the same time this constant barrage can push us too far individually. I'm not running the team. And I've rediscovered that I enjoy it more if I'm not second-guessing everything.

(Just some things.)Ah, thank you sensei.

I also took off some of the JOB years. It either had to be that, or I was going to have to significantly expand my drinking beyond wine and Belgian-style beers.

And due to a lot of the demeanor on the forum, I'm currently attempting to decide whether to take a hiatus from PD (but not the Pacers themselves).

What I like about your post is your smarts in the very trivial solution. Just simplify the breadth of your Pacers experience and one is likely to be much happier if one can avoid suffering from a little anxiety. Hats off to you.

Hicks
02-15-2013, 05:33 PM
And I've rediscovered that I enjoy it more if I'm not second-guessing everything.

:ding:

1984
02-15-2013, 07:20 PM
I'd start Dale Davis at center and Jermaine O'Neal at power forward. Rik Smits and Jermaine O'Neal could not co-exist. However, Dale Davis and Jermaine O'Neal would not only play well together, but, would be one of the greatest defensive tandems of all time.

OlBlu
02-15-2013, 07:29 PM
I'd start Dale Davis at center and Jermaine O'Neal at power forward. Rik Smits and Jermaine O'Neal could not co-exist. However, Dale Davis and Jermaine O'Neal would not only play well together, but, would be one of the greatest defensive tandems of all time.

There is only one player to be the center of that team, Mel Daniels, end of discussion....:cool: ...

Hicks
02-15-2013, 08:33 PM
I'll try this using only guys who played for us from 97-98 on.

Mark Jackson/George Hill
Reggie Miller/Jalen Rose
Paul George/Danny Granger
David West/Dale Davis
Jermaine O'Neal/Rik Smits

Richard_Skull
02-15-2013, 09:07 PM
I'll only use guys I've seen (late 90's) and I always have had a huge sway towards the defense.

PG - Mark Jackson (have we had a steller defensive player at this position since MJ?)
SG - Paul George (yes, some forgotten that he can still play sg)
SF - Ron Artest (best defensive player I've seen)
PF - Jermaine Oneal (I never really liked him that much, but he could defend and score in the half court pre-injury)
C - Dale M***** F***** Davis

Bench - Derick McKey, Roy Hibbert, George Hill, Miller, Antonia Davis, and for the s***s 'n' giggles players - Lance Stephenson, Sam Perkins.
Honorable mention. Danny, Mullins, Tim Hardaway, Psycho T, Orien Green.

1984
02-15-2013, 09:53 PM
I cannot believe that some would chose to start another player over Reggie Miller. Friends, he is one of the 50 greatest players of all time. He is a member of the Hall of Fame, and most importantly, he had the ability to take over a game.

If we were ranking Pacers, my roster would be different. However, I am selecting the best team. The players selected reflect their best season as a Pacer, and were chosen from rosters from 1984 to 2013. My roster is as follows:

Starting...
PG - Mark Jackson
SG - Reggie Miller
SF - Ron Artest
PF - Jermaine O'Neal
C - Dale Davis

...Bench
1. Rik Smits (C)
2. Paul George (G/F)
3. Danny Granger (SF/F)
4. Antonio Davis (F/C)
5. Jalen Rose (PG/G)

Reserves...
1. David West
2. Roy Hibbert
3. George Hill

...Paid but not active
1. Jamaal Tinsley
2. Jonathan Bender

Hicks
02-15-2013, 09:59 PM
Jackson was a stellar defender to you?

Mr.ThunderMakeR
02-15-2013, 11:30 PM
Who are the 5 greatest Pacers of of all time?

Paul George...PAUL George...Paul George, Paul George, and Paul George. Because he spits hot fire.

Thats my all time Pacers team.

Coopdog23
02-16-2013, 04:16 PM
I don't understand why a lot of you don't have Reggie starting. Reggie is the best clutch shooter in NBA history and is a GREAT scorer. I understand defense is a priority, but that's why I have Smits at center. 7'4 shot blocker and can dominate a game. And the Davis boys coming off the bench bring energy and toughness like what Tyler and Lou did last year for the Pacers

Coopdog23
02-16-2013, 04:17 PM
Rick Mount was a fine college player but his pro career, especially as a Pacer, was pretty much worthless (40% shooter in 2 seasons).

If you want a Boiler on there, pick the far superior ABA player, Billy Keller. And Mel never played PF a second of his life.

PG Mark, SG Reggie, SF Roger, PF George, C Mel

bench: Rik, Dale Davis, Billy Knight, Chuck Person, Freddie Lewis, Jermaine, Bob Netolicky, Billy Keller, Derrick McKey

soon to be added: Paul George

forgot Travis Best as well

beast23
02-16-2013, 04:47 PM
I don't understand why a lot of you don't have Reggie starting. Reggie is the best clutch shooter in NBA history and is a GREAT scorer. I understand defense is a priority, but that's why I have Smits at center. 7'4 shot blocker and can dominate a game. And the Davis boys coming off the bench bring energy and toughness like what Tyler and Lou did last year for the Pacers
Reggie was a great shooter for us, and was certainly clutch. I don't know if I'd say he was the most clutch of all times though.

As for Smits, he was never a great defensive nor a feared shot blocker. He took up a lot of space, but had the terrible habit of trying to block shots at the hand rather than a foot off the hand following the release. Needless to say, Smits accumulated fouls, I am guessing at a faster rate than any starting Pacers front court player throughout their history. But Rik's presence in the lane did nothing to cover up Reggie's poor defense ( before Reggie actually grew to be a better-than-average defender under Brown). In any stretch, you are giving defensive credit to Smits that should be reserved for Dale, Antonio and McKey.

But Reggie should still be a starter on any list of best Pacers players that include his era.

Auggie
02-16-2013, 06:28 PM
This is my take, I can only pick players I have seen. heres my 12-man roster

PG: Mark Jackson - Loyal, stable backcourt partner with Reggie. Great floor general, and I loved seeing him post up opposing guards
SG: Reggie Miller - This is obvious to me
SF: Jalen Rose - Toughest one for me. I justify taking Rose here because we will run our primary offense through Reggie playing offball. Rose is a terrific secondary ballhandler and passer so fits in that role. Also good 2nd offensive option. Not to mention we reached the finals when he emerged.
PF: Dale Davis - consistent hustle guy
C: Jermaine O'Neal - Absolute defensive stud. His offense will be good here as the 3rd option behind Reg&Rose

Bench:

G: Travis Best - Tough decision between him and Hill. Best tends to overdribble and play hero ball but I love his energy and hustle. Good spark off the bench if he has a defined role
G/F: Ron Artest - He might alternate with Rose in the starting lineup depending on matchups
G/F: Paul George - Young stud with amazing potential - Him and Artest on the wings is a nightmare for any matchup
F: Danny Granger - Our wings are getting jammed but I cannot leave Granger behind. Appreciation for being the sole bright spot in dark times. But also good offensive weapon and Jalen can play some point guard too so there might be room
F: David West - Mature, veteran leader
F/C: Antonio Davis - One of the Davis brothers should almost always be kept on the court to do the dirty work.
C: Rik Smits, well I cant just leave my countryman behind!

OlBlu
02-17-2013, 09:29 AM
Reggie was a great shooter for us, and was certainly clutch. I don't know if I'd say he was the most clutch of all times though.

As for Smits, he was never a great defensive nor a feared shot blocker. He took up a lot of space, but had the terrible habit of trying to block shots at the hand rather than a foot off the hand following the release. Needless to say, Smits accumulated fouls, I am guessing at a faster rate than any starting Pacers front court player throughout their history. But Rik's presence in the lane did nothing to cover up Reggie's poor defense ( before Reggie actually grew to be a better-than-average defender under Brown). In any stretch, you are giving defensive credit to Smits that should be reserved for Dale, Antonio and McKey.

But Reggie should still be a starter on any list of best Pacers players that include his era.

I have watched NBA basketball for 50 years. I have always thought that Jerry West was the best clutch shooter I ever saw....:cool: ...

McKeyFan
02-18-2013, 06:29 AM
Who are the 5 greatest Pacers of of all time?

Paul George...PAUL George...Paul George, Paul George, and Paul George. Because he spits hot fire.

Thats my all time Pacers team.
You don't even have PG listed as a reserve.

Hater.

Coopdog23
02-18-2013, 02:11 PM
I have watched NBA basketball for 50 years. I have always thought that Jerry West was the best clutch shooter I ever saw....:cool: ...

Reggie is the most clutch shooter ever.

TinManJoshua
02-18-2013, 02:27 PM
Who are the 5 greatest Pacers of of all time?

Paul George...PAUL George...Paul George, Paul George, and Paul George. Because he spits hot fire.

Thats my all time Pacers team.

He rips and he rhymes, he rhymes and he rips.

Hicks
02-18-2013, 02:31 PM
Reggie is the most clutch shooter ever.

Why?

I'm totally on board with 'he's ONE OF THE most clutch shooters ever", but why THE most clutch shooter ever?

Sollozzo
02-18-2013, 09:49 PM
Reggie is the most clutch shooter ever.

No, 45 is the most clutch player ever.

brownjake43
02-18-2013, 09:53 PM
Only remember Mid 90s until now so,

PG Mark Jackson
SG Reggie Miller
SF Paul George
PF Jermaine O'Neal
C Rik Smits

Bench

PG Travis Best
SG/SF Jalen Rose
SF Danny Granger
SF Ron Artest
PF/C Dale Davis
PF David West
C Roy Hibbert

ChicagoJ
02-18-2013, 11:06 PM
No, 45 is the most clutch player ever.

Rifleman? I wouldn't take him over Jerry West. But he's up there pretty high.

Sollozzo
02-18-2013, 11:53 PM
Rifleman? I wouldn't take him over Jerry West. But he's up there pretty high.

I'm fond of watching old Person clips, but I was talking about this 45 (I stole the nickname from Jim Rome - that's what he always calls him. Silly, I know, but I think it's kinda clever):

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PS4Voe9w5mo/TT8OwoDQEFI/AAAAAAAAAAg/BupWzyhH6e4/s1600/michael_jordan_45.jpg

ChicagoJ
02-19-2013, 12:04 AM
Oh my eyes!!! :mad: Get that out of here. Should be censored.

Coopdog23
02-19-2013, 08:58 AM
Why?

I'm totally on board with 'he's ONE OF THE most clutch shooters ever", but why THE most clutch shooter ever?

Have you seen any of his game winners?

BRushWithDeath
02-19-2013, 10:38 AM
Have you seen any of his game winners?
This is too good for words.

Trader Joe
02-19-2013, 11:25 AM
Coopdog has definitely become a PD treasure.

Hicks
02-19-2013, 01:30 PM
Have you seen any of his game winners?

No.

Coopdog23
02-19-2013, 10:00 PM
Coopdog has definitely become a PD treasure.

Meaning?

Coopdog23
02-19-2013, 10:01 PM
Apparently you guys don't remember 8 points 9 seconds, 25 points in the 4th, banked 40 foot buzzer beater, buzzer beater over MJ, buzzer beater over Iverson, cold blooded 3 over Tayshaun Prince. They're all on youtube, why don't you guys study some history

Coopdog23
02-20-2013, 09:12 AM
Just want to know why you people who aren't starting Reggie, what is the reason why? How is he not good enough to start on an All time Pacers team? He's the greatest Pacer of all time

boombaby1987
02-20-2013, 12:12 PM
Meaning?


Apparently you guys don't remember 8 points 9 seconds, 25 points in the 4th, banked 40 foot buzzer beater, buzzer beater over MJ, buzzer beater over Iverson, cold blooded 3 over Tayshaun Prince. They're all on youtube, why don't you guys study some history


Just want to know why you people who aren't starting Reggie, what is the reason why? How is he not good enough to start on an All time Pacers team? He's the greatest Pacer of all time

Please, just stop.

Coopdog23
02-20-2013, 09:47 PM
Please, just stop.

stop what?

mitchbr
02-20-2013, 09:49 PM
stop what?

The Pacers won, be happy