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brownjake43
02-14-2013, 12:33 PM
Do you guys think Paul George has developed into the 3rd best wing player in the league already, or is Kobe, Wade, Carmelo still ahead of him? This is for this year only on the voting not for the future, I personally think I would take PG over Kobe and Wade but I am not sure about Carmelo. What do you guys think? Obviously, LeBron is 1 and Durant is 2.

Ransom
02-14-2013, 12:35 PM
Umm....let's not get ahead of ourselves.

brownjake43
02-14-2013, 12:38 PM
Take into account defense, I think that all four of these players are close. Out of the four I think PG is obviously the best defensively at this point in their careers. Offensively I'd say Melo is the best. I did vote for Melo, but I think it is closer than what you think.

Mackey_Rose
02-14-2013, 12:39 PM
Add James Harden to the list of players better.

brownjake43
02-14-2013, 12:43 PM
Yeah, I forgot about Harden. He is another name that belongs on this list. Here are my rankings:

1) LeBron
2) Durant
3) Melo
4) PG
5) Kobe
6) Wade
7) Harden

Paul George is the 2nd best wing defender in the league after LeBron in my opinion. Combined that with what he does on the offensive end and I think he belongs in this group. Wade is far from the 2006 Wade, and Kobe is nowhere near the old Kobe either. Again, this is just my opinion but put LeBron next to Paul George and nobody would score. That duo would be better than LeBron, Wade I think.

yoadknux
02-14-2013, 12:46 PM
Are you joking, man?

OlBlu
02-14-2013, 12:51 PM
Do you guys think Paul George has developed into the 3rd best wing player in the league already, or is Kobe, Wade, Carmelo still ahead of him? This is for this year only on the voting not for the future, I personally think I would take PG over Kobe and Wade but I am not sure about Carmelo. What do you guys think? Obviously, LeBron is 1 and Durant is 2.

They are all ahead of him. Way ahead of him. There are many more that are ahead of him too. He might be about ready to break into the top ten.......:cool: ...

KingGeorge
02-14-2013, 12:54 PM
What about Iggy?

Coopdog23
02-14-2013, 01:00 PM
I think Melo because Kobe is out of his prime. If this was a question 2 or 3 years ago Kobe would be #1. PG still is developing so no for right now.

15th parallel
02-14-2013, 01:05 PM
It will still take some time. Paul George is certainly in the top 10 but not yet a top 3 guy at the wing.

Of course right now we know who are the top 2 (LBJ and KD) but Kobe is still a better player, Melo is the 2nd best scorer, and DWade, hate him or not, is still a better wing player right now.

Harden is debatable, but as far as offense is concerned he's way ahead of him right now. But of course in defense PG is leading that part. So it's between a strong sword vs. the strong shield argument.

I always thought that PG will be at Iggy level in year 3 in terms of all-around game. But PG just accelerated his development and he's becoming LeBron-lite in terms of putting up numbers across the board. So with all due respect to Iggy, PG is already a better player than him.

It's still too early right now. It's just his 1st year breaking out into an All-star level player. Let's see next year if he can maintain this level of play. But I wouldn't be surprised if he cracks down into the top 3 at some point in his career.

OlBlu
02-14-2013, 01:30 PM
It will still take some time. Paul George is certainly in the top 10 but not yet a top 3 guy at the wing.

Of course right now we know who are the top 2 (LBJ and KD) but Kobe is still a better player, Melo is the 2nd best scorer, and DWade, hate him or not, is still a better wing player right now.

Harden is debatable, but as far as offense is concerned he's way ahead of him right now. But of course in defense PG is leading that part. So it's between a strong sword vs. the strong shield argument.

I always thought that PG will be at Iggy level in year 3 in terms of all-around game. But PG just accelerated his development and he's becoming LeBron-lite in terms of putting up numbers across the board. So with all due respect to Iggy, PG is already a better player than him.

It's still too early right now. It's just his 1st year breaking out into an All-star level player. Let's see next year if he can maintain this level of play. But I wouldn't be surprised if he cracks down into the top 3 at some point in his career.

There is nothing Lebron like about PG. He isn't even in the same universe with Lebron or Durant.......:cool: ...

Ace E.Anderson
02-14-2013, 01:32 PM
What about Iggy?

Paul is actually a much better shooter and thus a better scorer than Iggy is. Their defense is about the same, and Paul may be a better rebounder.

naptownmenace
02-14-2013, 01:56 PM
I love what Paul is becoming but I have him ranked 7th.

1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. Melo
4. Kobe
5. Wade
6. Harden
7. PG
8. Ginobilli
9. Paul Pierce
10. Josh Smith

dohman
02-14-2013, 02:02 PM
You all value offense a lot more than defense. In a half court offense he is still excelling. He is not a volume shooter like most of the guys you listed. I also only see one player on that list that plays better defense.


It appears most of you only care about the amount of points he can put up and not the fact that he is a better defender, and rebounder than almost everyone that was listed.

Since86
02-14-2013, 02:07 PM
It appears most of you only care about the amount of points he can put up and not the fact that he is a better defender, and rebounder than almost everyone that was listed.

Or people put more premuim on guys who've played at this level for season after season after season, than a guy who's done it for less than 40 games?

We all hope PG gets to those heights, but you don't leap frog guys like Kobe who've been doing it 10+ years in less than half a season.

Mackey_Rose
02-14-2013, 02:11 PM
You all value offense a lot more than defense. In a half court offense he is still excelling. He is not a volume shooter like most of the guys you listed. I also only see one player on that list that plays better defense.


It appears most of you only care about the amount of points he can put up and not the fact that he is a better defender, and rebounder than almost everyone that was listed.

Paul is shooting a far worse percentage than those "volume shooters."

sportfireman
02-14-2013, 02:14 PM
I'm starting to feel like all topics should have to be cleared by moderators before being posted....

Unclebuck
02-14-2013, 02:21 PM
10. Josh Smith

? he's a wing?

dohman
02-14-2013, 02:24 PM
Or people put more premuim on guys who've played at this level for season after season after season, than a guy who's done it for less than 40 games?

We all hope PG gets to those heights, but you don't leap frog guys like Kobe who've been doing it 10+ years in less than half a season.


Thats a good way to look at it. Kobe scored 80 once so he is still clearly better.

Let me know how that is working out for the lakers this year. Kthnx

Mackey_Rose
02-14-2013, 02:24 PM
I think it should go without saying, but saying that Paul is not as good as any of the players that have been listed in this thread, is in no way a knock against him. I don't think there are any bigger fans of Paul George on this board than I am, but no need to put the cart before the horse.

dohman
02-14-2013, 02:29 PM
I think it should go without saying, but saying that Paul is not as good as any of the players that have been listed in this thread, is in no way a knock against him. I don't think there are any bigger fans of Paul George on this board than I am, but no need to put the cart before the horse.


If we are judging on THIS YEAR you have to look at the fact that he out rebounds, out blocks, out steals, and forces he opponents to shoot a lower FG percentage. He may score 8-10 ppg less than others listed but his impact on a game is mucher larger than scoring.

HickeyS2000
02-14-2013, 02:42 PM
If I had to choose out of those 4 which player I would give a 5-6 yr contract, I would choose PG without thinking. If we are talking about today, you have to put Kobe and Carmelo ahead of them, and probably Harden. Obviously Wade can do his thing, but he has been losing consistency lately. Still a tougher question than many are making it out to be. If you listed "in the next 5 years" as part of the criteria, PG would have been the one.

cgg
02-14-2013, 02:48 PM
I brought up last season who would be the best SG when Kobe and Wade decline. I thought it would be PG but I don't think anyone else did.

PG can win a lot of heads up match ups against those players, but I think they are likely to have a bigger impact over 82 games.

mattie
02-14-2013, 04:22 PM
So most of you said Kobe was (which is ridiculous, I'll get to that later) but I'll say this. Take Kobe and PG on their best day right now and PG would flat out beat Kobe. Easy. No contest. But he is NOT better. Because you can't count on PG's best game. He's inconsistent. He's young. One game he has 1 TO. The next he has 8. One game he has 30 points. The next he has 5. PG is just not as good as any of the other mentioned players.

The nice thing is he's making up ground quickly. We know he'll get there because on occasion we say PG play up to his potential and beat the absolute best in the game. George is a superstar in the making. One in the making who scored 5 points just a few games ago lol.

Back to Kobe - A lot of really smart, (much smarter than me) boarders all said Kobe is the third best wing. Some people just see players as who they were and simply can't grasp decline I don't think.

Kobe is a JOKE on defense right now. A joke. He is NOT better than 'Melo who currently has the second best team in the Eastern conference. He's not better than Wade who still contributes on both sides of the court at a high level.

Reminds me of all the people who still want to refer to Nash as a top tier pointguard. Yeah. He was great. He's not anymore. Players decline it happens. It doesn't effect their legacy. It just means we have to remember when they were great, and accept they no longer play at that level.

MillerTime
02-14-2013, 05:35 PM
3rd best wing player? No way its Paul George...

James, KD, Kobe...thats three that are ahead of him

brownjake43
02-15-2013, 12:46 AM
Thought this board would actual pay attention to all aspects of the game. Guess I was wrong. My bad. Didn't realize the audience on this board only saw scoring as what makes a good player. PG out rebound all these guys and is a better defender by far than Kobe and melo. But whatever. Guess its not close according to you guys.

15th parallel
02-15-2013, 12:53 AM
There is nothing Lebron like about PG. He isn't even in the same universe with Lebron or Durant.......:cool: ...

Uh...you just took my post out of context.

I'm not saying PG is the same universe as LeBron, nor I'm saying he's similar to LeBron talent-wise. What I said was "But PG just accelerated his development and he's becoming LeBron-lite in terms of putting up numbers across the board." Key words there are: putting up numbers across the board. I'm just describing how well he's playing an all-around game more than comparing him to James.

PaceBalls
02-15-2013, 01:12 AM
I bet there is a similar thread on some Raptor's forum about Rudy Gay.

If we were to just look at the last 35 games or so, he would be up there with the best, but some of these guys have been playing at that elite level for years and years.

Goyle
02-15-2013, 01:41 AM
Third best wing player might actually be PG if you take into account that Lebron and Melo spend most of their time at PF

Peck
02-15-2013, 02:16 AM
I bet there is a similar thread on some Raptor's forum about Rudy Gay.

If we were to just look at the last 35 games or so, he would be up there with the best, but some of these guys have been playing at that elite level for years and years.

This

brownjake43
02-18-2013, 12:40 AM
I know it was an exhibition but PG looked like one of the best players out there to me.

rel
02-18-2013, 01:49 AM
Thanks to the public poll, we can just rename this thread the 'Which poster's homerism has made them lose all sense of reality?" :P

He may get there one day. Not right now.

hackashaq
02-18-2013, 02:05 AM
Harden should be on the list. Not that i'd pick him, i'd take Melo and Wade first, but harden is close enough to be considered.

brownjake43
02-18-2013, 02:09 AM
I made the poll, and I picked Carmelo Anthony, I was just wondering how many people on here liked PG. But I think PG is closer than a lot of people on here think.

mattie
02-18-2013, 02:14 AM
Thanks to the public poll, we can just rename this thread the 'Which poster's homerism has made them lose all sense of reality?" :P

He may get there one day. Not right now.

Of 48 people, 2 chose Paul George.

bshall
02-18-2013, 03:27 AM
I made the poll, and I picked Carmelo Anthony, I was just wondering how many people on here liked PG. But I think PG is closer than a lot of people on here think.

Wait, so you were mad that more people did not pick PG when you didn't pick him yourself?

AesopRockOn
02-18-2013, 04:13 AM
Whether he is a top three wing defender might be a more interesting discussion. (No offense, BJ43.) I've been saying it for the majority of the season, but I fear I may be over-doing it.

xtacy
02-18-2013, 05:49 AM
Umm....let's not get ahead of ourselves.

this is a perfect summary of this thread.

brownjake43
02-18-2013, 10:29 AM
Wait, so you were mad that more people did not pick PG when you didn't pick him yourself?

Not mad at all. Some of the comments on here make me think a lot of people don't think he is even close yet. Which I find interesting. Obviously I am not mad. It isn't a big deal what any of us think. Just like to see peoples opinions.

Steagles
02-18-2013, 10:45 AM
Melo. He can score better than anyone i have ever seen.

Eleazar
02-18-2013, 10:56 AM
I don't see how Kobe is better than PG anymore, you guys have to remember we are talking about Kobe today not Kobe even just two years ago. Wade, nine times out of ten I would bet PG would win that one on one battle. Melo, PG isn't consistent enough yet to be above him yet, but on a good day I would say they are on par at worst.

naptownmenace
02-18-2013, 04:30 PM
I don't see how Kobe is better than PG anymore, you guys have to remember we are talking about Kobe today not Kobe even just two years ago. Wade, nine times out of ten I would bet PG would win that one on one battle. Melo, PG isn't consistent enough yet to be above him yet, but on a good day I would say they are on par at worst.

All you have to do is watch the games. Kobe forces the issue sometimes, more often than he should, but he is still a great player. His production this year is ridiculous for a player 16 years in.


2012-13 Statistics

PPG - 26.8
RPG - 5.30
APG - 5.6
STL - 1.4
FG% - .464
EFF - + 23.69

You're other statements about DWade and Melo are too homerific for me to even bother with.

Eleazar
02-19-2013, 08:22 PM
All you have to do is watch the games. Kobe forces the issue sometimes, more often than he should, but he is still a great player. His production this year is ridiculous for a player 16 years in.


2012-13 Statistics

PPG - 26.8
RPG - 5.30
APG - 5.6
STL - 1.4
FG% - .464
EFF - + 23.69

You're other statements about DWade and Melo are too homerific for me to even bother with.

Not really, I have watched Paul George destroy Wade 1v1, and that George wasn't as good as George is now. What is homerific about saying Paul on a good day is as good as Melo? Is it because Paul isn't the scorer Melo is? Even though he is a far superior defender? Or because Paul is not as selfish?