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PacersPride
02-06-2013, 12:54 PM
It was brought up once in another thread and last night got me to thinking about it again. Someone said in a previous thread that Vogel ripps officials and sometimes his own team. Coach Vogel seems so mild mannered and likable thats its hard for me to believe.

Last night watching the game i know i heard Coach Vogel get on someone and im sure it was Lance.

I think Coach Vogel basically screamed at Lance and said "YOUR GETTING OUT OF CONTROL" again im pretty sure it was directed at Lance.

I love the job Coach Vogel is doing. What i am wondering is if anyone has additonal insight that attends the games and is fortunate enough to sit close to overhear Coach Vogel in game.

is he is as mild mannerred as i thought he was.. or is he slowly developing into a Hard ***.

Would really enjoy the feedback.

* i thought that was great Coaching by Vogel to get on Lance even though he was having a good game. Because Lance at times does get out of control, esp if he is feeling it and I would love for him to continue to be aggressive while under control.

thanks for any feedback on Coach Vogels in game coaching style.

Since86
02-06-2013, 01:02 PM
Got to sit behind the bench during the Chicago game. I was a bit suprised at some of the language he used. I didn't have a problem with it, and it was more in passing when he would turn back to the bench and make a comment, but I was kinda surprised. He seems like a pretty square guy.

I know they were playing relatively well, but I never heard him/see him raise his voice towards the players. Everything was conversational tone, everything was positive.

I don't think the Pacers could have found a better personality for the team.

billbradley
02-06-2013, 01:06 PM
He seems like a pretty square guy.

Really? He always seemed like a other side of the tracks kinda guy to me.

Since86
02-06-2013, 01:14 PM
Yeah. Some of the word choices were used in a "normal" way, and I didn't see Frank from that angle. He just seems like a real clean cut kinda guy.

Bird Fan
02-06-2013, 01:31 PM
Heard that last night as well, but I think it was directed towards Hansbrough. He was getting into it with one of the Hawks' players and Denari said something about the two have a history. Who doesn't Hansbrough have a history with? Seems like something's always going on with him and other ACC players.

Peck
02-06-2013, 01:50 PM
Oh believe me Frank has uttered forth a barrage of verbal phrases that made everyone on our end of the building run to a church to repent & generally it is directed at Benet Salvatore. However Bob Kennedy also got an earful as well.

Honestly I am stunned quite frequently that the refs. haven't Tee'd him up more than they do, I think its because he quickly goes back to being mild mannered Frank and gives them that angle smile he has. They just can't bring themselves to give it to him.

As to players, oh yea I've seen him go after Lance on more than one occasion. But only one time would I say it was with more than just a usual disgust. But later in the same night he came down and patted Lance on the head and they both smiled and Lance came back in happy.

However these are all the oddities and not the standard. Frank by far and away is the most positive up beat guy on the bench I've ever seen even after all this time. He still smiles and turns his head whenever Tyler does some ridicules looking shot that manages to draw a foul, he still says something positive to almost every player as they come out of the game and nobody in the arena cheers louder for the team whenever a great defensive stand results in a 24 second shot clock violation.

Next to Slick, which is just legend at this point in time, I think Frank is now officially my favorite Pacers coach of all time. It's close mind you because I have been indoctrinated into the Larry Brown army for so long but at this point in time overall I think Frank is better, simply because he doesn't have the personality flaws that Larry had.

PaceBalls
02-06-2013, 01:54 PM
Heard that last night as well, but I think it was directed towards Hansbrough. He was getting into it with one of the Hawks' players and Denari said something about the two have a history. Who doesn't Hansbrough have a history with? Seems like something's always going on with him and other ACC players.

I love how Quinn and Chris are always talking about how so and so was a freshman when Tyler was a senior, so they must obviously have some beef with him... LOL.. It seems like everyone who played college basketball during the four years Tyler was at UNC HATES him! (except his UNC teammates).

Anthem
02-06-2013, 01:59 PM
I don't think Coach V could get guys fired up if he didn't get fired up a bit himself. One of his biggest strengths is as a motivator.

When coaches wear a wire, pretty much everything you hear is yelling. I've always assumed they can't be heard otherwise.

Since86
02-06-2013, 02:01 PM
I love how Quinn and Chris are always talking about how so and so was a freshman when Tyler was a senior, so they must obviously have some beef with him... LOL.. It seems like everyone who played college basketball during the four years Tyler was at UNC HATES him! (except his UNC teammates).

I think most players hate playing against the Tyler's of the world.

Sookie
02-06-2013, 03:05 PM
Oh believe me Frank has uttered forth a barrage of verbal phrases that made everyone on our end of the building run to a church to repent & generally it is directed at Benet Salvatore. However Bob Kennedy also got an earful as well.

Honestly I am stunned quite frequently that the refs. haven't Tee'd him up more than they do, I think its because he quickly goes back to being mild mannered Frank and gives them that angle smile he has. They just can't bring themselves to give it to him.

As to players, oh yea I've seen him go after Lance on more than one occasion. But only one time would I say it was with more than just a usual disgust. But later in the same night he came down and patted Lance on the head and they both smiled and Lance came back in happy.

However these are all the oddities and not the standard. Frank by far and away is the most positive up beat guy on the bench I've ever seen even after all this time. He still smiles and turns his head whenever Tyler does some ridicules looking shot that manages to draw a foul, he still says something positive to almost every player as they come out of the game and nobody in the arena cheers louder for the team whenever a great defensive stand results in a 24 second shot clock violation.

Next to Slick, which is just legend at this point in time, I think Frank is now officially my favorite Pacers coach of all time. It's close mind you because I have been indoctrinated into the Larry Brown army for so long but at this point in time overall I think Frank is better, simply because he doesn't have the personality flaws that Larry had.

Frank's from New Jersey...

And I could be completely wrong here, but my impression is...that people living in Northeastern states (NJ, NY, CT, Mass, etc..) swear a lot more frequently than the rest of the country..(maybe not California..). I'm not saying that's everyone, I'm just saying..I think there's a bit of a cultural difference..at last that's been my experience. So I'm not surprised at all that Frank casually swears like a sailor.

I think Frank's mild positive personality works in his favor when he gets angry too. I think it was Roy who said that when Frank gets angry, the team pays attention..because they know it means something. When coaches are angry all the time they don't make as big as an impact.

He just knows how to motivate people. That story about Lance says everything. He lets Lance know that Lance screwed up and that he's not happy with him. But then after Lance has thought about it, he builds up Lance's confidence again. That's how you coach a kid. You know, we've given lots of people credit for Lance's turnaround and improvement, but I've seen first hand what a positive mentor/authority person..and I think Frank may deserve more credit for helping Lance than he's given.

And I also agree, that Frank is my second favorite coach of all time. For the most part, I think coaches are somewhere between decent and good. But there are always a few that stick out. Frank probably won't ever beat Geno, but I can't think of another coach I like better, period. Including Calhoun and Pop.

PacersPride
02-06-2013, 03:11 PM
Oh believe me Frank has uttered forth a barrage of verbal phrases that made everyone on our end of the building run to a church to repent & generally it is directed at Benet Salvatore. However Bob Kennedy also got an earful as well.

Honestly I am stunned quite frequently that the refs. haven't Tee'd him up more than they do, I think its because he quickly goes back to being mild mannered Frank and gives them that angle smile he has. They just can't bring themselves to give it to him.

As to players, oh yea I've seen him go after Lance on more than one occasion. But only one time would I say it was with more than just a usual disgust. But later in the same night he came down and patted Lance on the head and they both smiled and Lance came back in happy.

However these are all the oddities and not the standard. Frank by far and away is the most positive up beat guy on the bench I've ever seen even after all this time. He still smiles and turns his head whenever Tyler does some ridicules looking shot that manages to draw a foul, he still says something positive to almost every player as they come out of the game and nobody in the arena cheers louder for the team whenever a great defensive stand results in a 24 second shot clock violation.

Next to Slick, which is just legend at this point in time, I think Frank is now officially my favorite Pacers coach of all time. It's close mind you because I have been indoctrinated into the Larry Brown army for so long but at this point in time overall I think Frank is better, simply because he doesn't have the personality flaws that Larry had.

Thanks all for the feedback. I think it was you Peck who originally started saying some of the fiestyness that Coach Vogel has to offer.

I really enjoy hearing Coach Vogel during in game coaching. Gives more insight into the fact Coach Vogel is more than just a "players coach" i like to hear that he is not afraid to put Lance, Tyler or anyone else in his place.

Thanks again everyone. I would have loved to hear what Frank had to say to Lance as they were going into the tunnell last night at halftime. Lance was on fire.. I bet Coach Vogel has a hard time finding a balance between letting Lance go wild and reigning him into the confines of the offense. When Lance gets hot is when the no-look and 3 pt jacks start to become more plentiful.

Keeping Lance under control while at the same time allowing him to be aggressive will be fun to watch as the season progresses.

I would really love Coach Vogel for this team. I just hate that Shaw will probably be gone next year. I think Shaw has a real solid impact on the team as well. Players go to him just as much as Frank. Wish we could find a way to keep them both as the Pacers continue to ascend to the leagues elite.

Unclebuck
02-06-2013, 03:38 PM
I remember watching the NBATV training camp show on the Pacers and Frank came across as a pretty typical NBA coach. He is certainly no wallflower, but he doesn't rant and rave. He seemed stronger than I suspect most people would think he was just by the way he is in interviews.

The best was Larry Brown though, often in interviews he seems very mild mannered and quiet, but during a game he yells and screams the whole time - at least he used to. Brown yelled and screamed during a game much more than any Pacers coach I've seen

Back to Frank, I know last night he was very upset at his players for fouling on long jump shots.

Ace E.Anderson
02-06-2013, 03:41 PM
I know the few times I've sat close to the Pacers bench, I was always intrigued with Frank's interaction with the players on the bench. He definitely has some "choice" language, but as others have indicated, it's more in a "conversational" type of way.

On more than one occasion I've seen Frank "get into" a player during a timeout, only to go back and have a one on one with that player as the game resumes. When I sat near the Pacers bench during the Kings game, he was ripping into Paul pretty good, not yelling at him, but telling him what he thought. As the players broke the huddle, Frank grabbed Paul and whispered into his ear, then patted him on the chest before Paul went back onto the floor.

Great demeanor for a coach of a younger team. Demands respect, but doesn't yell just to yell.

Major Cold
02-06-2013, 03:47 PM
That hiatus for the flagrant was by far the worst I have seen ever. I am surprised Vogel didn't kill someone.

Johanvil
02-06-2013, 05:30 PM
That hiatus for the flagrant was by far the worst I have seen ever. I am surprised Vogel didn't kill someone.

He was satisfied with the eventual call(s). That's why.:)

Johanvil
02-06-2013, 05:32 PM
I remember watching the NBATV training camp show on the Pacers and Frank came across as a pretty typical NBA coach. He is certainly no wallflower, but he doesn't rant and rave. He seemed stronger than I suspect most people would think he was just by the way he is in interviews.


Nothing to do with Frank but just remembered it. *****, how boring was it? The climax of that was when they switched the mic to Roy for a good 3 minutes and Roy never uttered a word.:D

Naptown_Seth
02-06-2013, 06:58 PM
That hiatus for the flagrant was by far the worst I have seen ever. I am surprised Vogel didn't kill someone.
I think Grady was the one that tweeted that Vogel came over at one point and said "can you get this resolved, we have a flight to Philly tonight".

You can swear all you want when the words are expressing a quality opinion. ;) Plus as a devout believer in all things foul mouthed, it makes me like him more. F***** Frank the Tank!

Derek2k3
02-06-2013, 07:07 PM
Personally, I think Frank is so much more under control than the other guys. So, while he can let loose a barrage/isn't soft spoken, he never comes off as out of control (Like Thibs, Doc and so on.)

Those other guys routinely seem to get completely out of their minds/out of control, which leads to the technical. Frank tends to say his piece, then let the official talk. I think that's why he is allowed to year like he has.

PacersPride
02-07-2013, 11:41 PM
I am going to say that hands down Coach Vogel is top three this year in Coach of the Year. Thibbs is just downright frightening in every single way. Popovich is great.

Coach Vogel has made me a believer. Unbelievable coaching job this season. He is a guy though that this team can win a Championship with.

I really admire what he is doing with Roy Hibbert working him into playoff conditioning.