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PacerCrazy
12-15-2004, 08:26 AM
I haven't posted much lately becuase my wife and I just had our first baby. She is 2 weeks old now and things are settling down so look to see me posting a bit more. I have just been thinking lately where we would be if we had drafted a shooting guard like so many people wanted during the off season myself included. With Foster and Pollards injury and Artest and JO's suspensions we would have had aboslutely no big men. Little did we know last summer that our team already had a 3 point specialist in James Jones. (I hope we can keep him)
I am not saying Harrison is perfect. He drops the ball when it is passed to him a lot and he isn't the fastest Pacer on the team. He also is a bit foul prone but all of those things can be ironed out over the next year or 2 and with the playing time he is receiving his learning curve should be a bit more noticable.
Currently, he is one of the only players who can block shots and post up. He still needs to work on rebounding but with foster around that shouldn't be a problem. I think he may end up one of the biggest steals in the draft at the 29th pick. I guess time will tell.

SoupIsGood
12-15-2004, 08:32 AM
Yes!

Alabama-Redneck
12-15-2004, 08:36 AM
I guess that is why Rick, Larry and Donnie make the big bucks. ;) I am also sure a lot of your posts will be made durring the middle of the night for awhile.:D

:cool:

Ragnar
12-15-2004, 08:51 AM
Congrats on the baby

ABADays
12-15-2004, 08:57 AM
Awwwww - there's nothing like having a daughter. Trust me - you'll see.

Congrats. Heed what Alabama-Redneck said.

PacerCrazy
12-15-2004, 09:53 AM
Thanks for all the congrats! She is going to be a HUGE Pacer fan hehe!! We are already watching games together. (Thank goodness I got a league Pass and DVR so I can pause games. Life wouldn't be the same without it with a new born!)

PacerCrazy
12-15-2004, 10:40 AM
Here is just an interesting reminder of teams that drafted centers before Harrison.

Rapters 8th pick Rafael Araujo (huh?) 6-11 280 lbs
Sonics 12th Rober Swift (High Schooler can we say Bender?) 7-1 245 lbs
Dallas from Jazz 21st Pavel Poldkolzh (Giant Euro with health concerns) 7-5 260 lbs
Pacers 29th David Harrison (Is there any doubt he will be the best of these centers in the league if he stays healthy?) 7-0 280 lbs

DisplacedKnick
12-15-2004, 10:46 AM
I wouldn't discount Araujo but I'd take Harrison over any of the others right now.

indygeezer
12-15-2004, 10:49 AM
OK...armchair GM's......How good can (or will) Harrison be?

DisplacedKnick
12-15-2004, 10:56 AM
OK...armchair GM's......How good can (or will) Harrison be?

This is the EC - NAZR FRIGGIN' MOHAMMED IS PUTTING UP ALL-STAR NUMBERS!!!

Harrison's got the body and more of an offensive game than I expected. Top end? Say a 15-10 guy in 2-3 years.

sweabs
12-15-2004, 11:10 AM
I wouldn't discount Araujo but I'd take Harrison over any of the others right now.
Um...I've seen him play a lot. Trust me...you can discount him.

I saw him play in the summer league, and he still was pretty awful there.

He has no athletic ability whatsoever...my grandma can jump higher than him.

He is too nice - he's not agressive or physical enough under the basket...he cannot get rebounds.

He is a turnover waiting to happen when he gets the ball in the post, he either fumbles it or brings it low so a guard can swipe it.

His footwork is horrible...so many times has he travelled it in the post trying to do some move.

He has no shot...NONE.

But...he's still a draft pick...so I guess you have to give him some time. Either way, the Raps missed out...Harrison wil be 100x the player Araujo ever is.

PacerCrazy
12-15-2004, 11:16 AM
I don't want people to think I am saying Harrison WILL be a allstar. He might be. I think he will be a starting center in 3 years at least and has the skills to be an allstar if he stays healthy and works on a few things. I also think if we hadn't drafted him we would have no insde presence at all. Foster would have been our only guy and he just got back. I would be we would be 7 and 14 with no Harrison and maybe worse.

Hicks
12-15-2004, 11:38 AM
I think he can turn into a 14 and 7-8 guy.

Los Angeles
12-15-2004, 11:42 AM
Anybody know any details from his contract? How many years? I'd hate to develop him and just have to let him go for money reasons. Teams will be fighting over this guy.

PacerCrazy
12-15-2004, 11:57 AM
my guess is 3 or 4 years on rookies first round contracts

Los Angeles
12-15-2004, 12:03 PM
3 years, with a 4th year option, after which he becomes a restricted free agent. It's a little early to be worrying about that........I'm not worried - I'm usually the first to say "don't count your chickens." I just wanted to know, (and I wanted to know how the end of his deal would correlate with the end of Pollard and Foster's contracts).

Thanks!

beast23
12-15-2004, 12:06 PM
Harrison has surprised us in a lot of ways.

Defensively, even without much quickness, he's a good help defender & shot blocker. He's not afraid to bang with anyone in the league. Considering his inexperience, he does about as good as can be expected at this point of defending the paint.

Offensively, he doesn't take bad shots. We are also starting to see him make some mid-range shots.

Athletically, although he's not necessarily carrying extra weight, although not enough of it is muscle. Summer '05 will be very important for him to improve both his strength and stamina, reduce his fat, continue to work on his mid-range shot, and to develop some post moves. I think the shift from fat to muscle might improve his quickness, thereby improving his ability to defend in the paint.

Harrison is extremely competitive and seems really "hungry". I wouldn't rule out the possiblity of him making an All-Star team or two. I could easily see him being a 16-10 player that also blocks a lot of shots. A double-double player who can also defend the post and block shots? What else more do you need to be an All-Star, especially in the East?

owl
12-15-2004, 12:31 PM
What do the Pacers need from their center? With all the other options
on offense, if Harrison averages 15 points a game I believe that would
fantastic. His real value comes in rebounding and defending. He is a good
shot blocker. He gets up real quick to block shots. That is impressive
considering his bulk. He needs to change some of that fat into muscle.
He needs to consult Tinsley for advice on that. He blocks out very well,
and allows other players to get rebounds. He does not handle the ball well and I am beginning to wonder if he has fingers. Has anyone seen them? : )
He does have a good midrange shot. Overall, this has to be one of Donnie's
great picks, considering the position he was picked. I could hardly contain
my glee when I saw him drop to the Pacers. Plus he has 3 years of college
experience. He could contribute some immediately. What were the other
teams thinking???


owl

Unclebuck
12-15-2004, 01:19 PM
Harrison is very close is sems with Kevin O'Neal, every game I go to they are together working David's game or sitting on the bench talking. David also must be a funny guy because he teamates are always laughing with him

PacerCrazy
12-15-2004, 02:18 PM
The thing I have noticed is when we are missing Harrison and Foster from are current roster I am always extrremely nervous becuase we don't have anybody to guar the paint. Who would have ever thought a year ago we would kill for an extra center/powerforward?

ChicagoJ
12-15-2004, 02:36 PM
The thing I have noticed is when we are missing Harrison and Foster from are current roster I am always extrremely nervous becuase we don't have anybody to guar the paint. Who would have ever thought a year ago we would kill for an extra center/powerforward?
Appearantly you missed the whole Erick Dampier debate at last February's trading deadline and for a big chunk of the summer.

I was squarely in the pro-Dampier camp right up until the 29th pick in the draft, but Harrison is much better solution.

Los Angeles
12-15-2004, 02:45 PM
Appearantly you missed the whole Erick Dampier debate at last February's trading deadline and for a big chunk of the summer.

I was squarely in the pro-Dampier camp right up until the 29th pick in the draft, but Harrison is much better solution.
Better solution? I think maybe "better long term solution" is the best way to put it. I also would have loved to see Dampier in pinstripes, but worried about his ability to play 5th fiddle. I also think he would have dissapeared after only a short while anyway.

Younger players in general seem to adapt to a team concept just a little easier, and I think that's part of David's success formula. He really wants to please, even announcing on draft night that his goal was to start as a rookie. BOLD STATEMENT coming from a rookie center. Put this at #1,138 in the pre-fight-statement-turned-ironic-after-the-fact list.

PacerCrazy
12-15-2004, 03:23 PM
I remember the Dampier debate. We were discussing it at last years Party when Jackson got traded for Harrington. At that time we felt the team had way too many power forwards. Now we are so desperate for power forwards that jeff Foster is playing the position and Harrison is playing center. Who would have guessed. I don't wish we still had Al becuase I am sure he would be suspended with everyone else. As soon as JO threw a bunch Al would have been all over him. Those 2 have always been tight. Then again if you remove Jackson's taunting you have to wonder if the episode would have lasted long enough for the cup to be thrown. In anycase, I am glad we got Harrison and I think Jackson will work out when the suspensions are over.

hoopsforlife
12-15-2004, 05:26 PM
We'd be about .500 on the season now.

Congratulations on the baby. Nothing in the world is better than that.

PS: Ron Artest has some good pointers on raising a family if you want to research his methods. :)

Jose Slaughter
12-16-2004, 01:07 AM
Something else about Harrison that I've noticed.

He doesn't act like a rookie when he's out there. Other than the 1, the 5 is the hardest position to learn coming into the league. Most centers take 3 or 4 years to come into their own. Harrison seems to be way ahead of that curve. He does commit fouls & turnovers like a rook, but those will take care of themselves, over time.

His over all game, at this stage of his career, is very impressive. Let him spend a summer working out with Jermaine & throw in some pointers from Mel.

PacerCrazy
12-16-2004, 08:30 AM
The biggest rookie thing I have noticed is he has a hard time catching the ball in the paint. This may change in time. The other thing is he often doesn't anticipate how fast and how tall nba players are. This is my theory as to where a lot of his fouls come from. By the end of this year this should get significantly better as he learns to adjust.

Doug
12-16-2004, 09:44 AM
In one aspect he's already ahead of JO...





He was able to punch somebody in the melee in Detroit and *not* get suspended.

:-)

Deadshot
12-16-2004, 04:26 PM
The biggest rookie thing I have noticed is he has a hard time catching the ball in the paint. This may change in time. The other thing is he often doesn't anticipate how fast and how tall nba players are. This is my theory as to where a lot of his fouls come from. By the end of this year this should get significantly better as he learns to adjust.

I think this will change in time - but even some players who have been in the league awhile can't catch the ball as well. The biggest rookie characteristic I have noticed out of David is his constant debating of the ref's calls. Other than that, like I have stated before in other threads, I have been highly impressed with David.

ChicagoJ
12-16-2004, 04:39 PM
Well, its going to be awfully difficult for Rick or any other coach to make his hands any bigger.

But as he gets used to playing with a guy like Tinsley that can put the ball wherever David wants it, the number of fumbles will decrease. (However, I'm not sure there's any way in the world AJ could get the ball close enough to David's mitts for him to catch it.)

Besides, its nothing like watching Pollard try to catch the ball - can anyone even confirm that Pollard has opposable thumbs?