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avoidingtheclowns
12-07-2012, 05:29 PM
GIVE DENVER A KICK
IN THE NUGGETS!




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Game Time Start: 7:00 PM ET
Where: The Fieldhouse, Indianapolis, IN
Officials: M. McCutchen, C. Kirkland, D. Richardson

Media Notes: Indiana Notes (http://www.nba.com/gamenotes/pacers.pdf), Denver Notes (http://www.nba.com/gamenotes/nuggets.pdf)
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Season Records: (W-L)




:xpacers:

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http://i49.tinypic.com/e1589d.png<center>Home: 5-2
West: 6-4</center>



:nuggets:

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http://i49.tinypic.com/e1589d.png<center>Away: 4-9
East: 2-5</center>

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http://www.nba.com/tvc/image/assets/wordmarks/IND_wordmark.png Projected Starting Lineup:



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<center>HIBBERT</center>
<center>WEST</center>
<center>GEORGE</center>
<center>STEPHENSON</center>
<center>HILL</center>



http://www.nba.com/tvc/image/assets/wordmarks/DEN_wordmark.png Projected Starting Lineup:



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<center>KOUFOS</center>
<center>FARIED</center>
<center>GALLINARI</center>
<center>IGUODALA</center>
<center>LAWSON</center>

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PACERS
Danny Granger - left knee tendinosis (out)
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NUGGETS
Wilson Chandler Ė Left Hip (out)
Julyan Stone Ė Right Hip (out)



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Perpetually Disappointing to Trader Joe Minimally Relevant Video:



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Semi-Relevant Video:



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Eight Points, Nine Seconds Review:




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Jared Wade: Paul Georgeís Great Passing Against the Blazers

Iíve mentioned a few times that last nightís win over the Portland Trailblazers might
have been the best passing game Iíve seen Paul George ever have. Some
video:


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The first three dishes shown are obviously excellent: the rise to shoot then dish to
George Hill at the rim; the two-handed overhead bounce pass to a cutting Ian
Mahinmi; the over-the-top entry to David West. Each led directly to an easy two
points.

The others are a little more subtle but also help illustrate his growth as a decision
maker. Because that is often what is more important as a passer than anything. We
oooh and aaahhh at the the highlight assists (like the one George threw to Mahinmi),
but even if youíre Jason Kidd, those types of finishes are few and far between. What
is more important is consistently making the right read and furthering the offenseís
advantage over the defense.

Thatís what we see in the rest of the video. Some of Georgeís passes donít even
lead to made buckets. But they all show the decisiveness that he plays with at his
best. Itís all instinctual. There is no dilly-dallying. He just sees a teammate who is
in a position to exploit the opponent and delivers a quick, accurate pass that allows
his teammate to get off a good shot.

The second-to-last dish (at the 1:13 mark) is the best illustration of Paulís growth as
a creator.

He starts the play on the weakside wing and makes a flex cut to the opposite block,
where he receives an entry pass while being guarded by Nic Batum. He catches a
little far out on the baseline...CONTINUE READING AT 8p9s (http://www.eightpointsnineseconds.com/2012/12/paul-georges-great-passing-against-the-blazers/)


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Roundball Mining Company:




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Donít bogart that ball, McGee - Video Scouting Report

When JaVale McGee is on the court he uses a big chunk of Denverís possessions.
According to Basketball-Reference.com, among regular rotation players, he has the
highest usage rate on the team at 23.9 percent. Despite this, he also has the third
lowest assist rate at 3.6 percent. Kosta Koufos has the second lowest, 3.1 percent,
and Kenneth Faried the lowest assist rate, 2.0 percent. Naturally, all three of the
Nuggetsí main frontcourt players earn their keep around the rim, finishing plays and
putting back offensive boards, the big difference between McGee and the other two
is that he actually spends a significant amount of time with the ball in his hands.

Compare his usage rate with that of Koufos, lowest among rotation players at 12.4
percent, and Faried, third lowest at 18.6 percent. (A surprising side note here is that
Andre Miller is second lowest with a 17.6 percent usage rate thatís very modest
considering how much he handles the ball). In short, Kosta and Kenneth should be
given a free pass for their low assist rates, because the vast majority of the time,
when they get the ball, theyíre right there at the rim, and the best thing to do is
immediately put it in the basket.

This is not always the case with JaVale, who handles the ball in the post much
more than the other two. Examining the data from MySynergySports.com, we can
see that in many ways the shot selection of all three players is fairly similar across
the board. However, there are three play types which one player uses significantly
more than the other two:


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Faried and Koufos take more shots off offensive rebounds and cuts, respectively,
than their frontcourt counterparts. Both of these play types, of course, necessitate
taking the ball to the rim. There is no place for passing there. McGee, however, has
a higher percentage of post-ups than the other two, a play from which he has the
option to pass or shoot.

But pass he does not. This season McGee is averaging less than half an assist per
game. More starkly put, in 13 games he has dished out a single lone assist in five
different games, and zero assists in the remaining eight games. Itís also worth
noting that three of his assists this season were made in transition, and just two
made in the flow of an offensive set (one from the top of the key, and one from
the low post). As a general rule, once JaVale gets the ball in position, he gets
tunnel vision straight to the basket, and everything else on the court fades out of
sight and out of mind.

All of this might not be as great a problem if it werenít for the fact that JaVale is
scoring a measly 0.5 points per possession on post-ups. Compare that with Marc
Gasolís 1.09, Tim Duncanís 0.99, or for that matter Andre Millerís 1.05 PPP from
the post, and itís easy to see that McGee still has a long way to go in getting a
handle on the moves he learned from Hakeem Olajuwon last summer and putting
them to positive effect.

In the meantime, as he finds his way through that process with the guidance of
the coaching staff, he needs to improve his own and his teamís efficiency by
making a concerted effort to dish it out more often from the post when the
occasion calls for it. This would result in fewer wasted possessions, as probable
missed shots got replaced by plays kept alive for more open, higher percentage
shots.

Perhaps just as importantly, if opposing defenses know that JaVale always shoots
and never dishes to cutters or shooters, then they are not kept honest. They can
collapse on McGee with double or even triple teams with no fear of getting punished
for leaving the perimeter unguarded. He can potentially earn himself better shots by
forcing defenses to respect his ability to find open shots for his teammates.

What follows are breakdowns of the five clips in the video at the bottom of this post.
(If you open the video up in Youtube, you can jump to any clip by clicking the times
in the description). All we can do is hope that the Nuggets film crew is working
closely with McGee to show him similar footage and stress the importance of the
kinds of points weíre making here.


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Clip 1 Ė Missed running hook shot

This is one of those cases where McGee is so determined to make his move to the
basket that he completely fails to survey the court. The first time he gets the ball
on this possession, he does the right thing and passes out of the hard double team.
But the second time around, in his haste to take a shot, he doesnít recognize that
the defense has collapsed into the middle, and misses the opportunity to dish it out
to either Jordan Hamilton or Andre Iguodala, both of whom are wide open. As a
sidenote on this clip, Danilo Gallinari sets a very nice screen on Kevin Love to give
JaVale room to operate. It would be great to see him set these kinds of hard
screens more often on pick and rolls with the point guards.

Clip 2 Ė Missed short range jump shot

In this clip, Tiago Spillter does a good job of preventing JaVale from getting position,
holding him to the side of the key where he gets the ball from Andre Miller. McGee
makes a nice spin move to shake off Splitter, but similarly to clip 1, the defense has
sunk into the paint. There are two help defenders lurking nearby ready to close in on
JaVale, which they promptly do when he makes his move. affecting his shot and
most likely causing the miss...CONTINUE READING AT ROUNDBALL MINING COMPANY (http://www.roundballminingcompany.com/2012/11/25/dont-bogart-that-ball-mcgee-video-scouting-report/)

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140 Characters of (Non-PD) Coverage



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Pacers
Mike Wells @MikeWellsNBA (https://twitter.com/#!/MikeWellsNBA)
Jared Wade @8pts9secs (https://twitter.com/#!/8pts9secs)
Tim Donahue @TimDonahue8p9s (https://twitter.com/#!/TimDonahue8p9s)
Tom Lewis @indycornrows (https://twitter.com/#!/IndyCornrows)


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Nuggets
Benjamin Hochman @nuggetsnews (https://twitter.com/nuggetsnews)
Jeremy Wagner @RoundballMiner (https://twitter.com/RoundballMiner)
Aaron J. Lopez @Lopez_Nuggets (https://twitter.com/Lopez_Nuggets)
Pierre @JaValeMcGee34 (https://twitter.com/JaValeMcGee34)


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PGisthefuture
12-07-2012, 06:50 PM
Really hoping Paul can show that he can remain consistent.

CableKC
12-07-2012, 07:11 PM
Tonight's game against the Nuggets and Sunday's game against the Thunder are going to be a real test of how good ( or bad ) our defense is. Both Teams are very solid Teams on the offensive end.

Goyle
12-07-2012, 07:27 PM
Tough stretch for Paul these past few days. Deng, Batum and Iggy, if he has another good game today he's probably the GOAT.

Sparhawk
12-07-2012, 07:30 PM
Tonight's game against the Nuggets and Sunday's game against the Thunder are going to be a real test of how good ( or bad ) our defense is. Both Teams are very solid Teams on the offensive end.

Completely agree.

Pacers will need to focus on boxing out on both ends or this team will kill the Pacers on the boards.

I actually think Green should start tonight. I don't see Lance being able to guard Iggy or Gallanari.

Heisenberg
12-07-2012, 07:38 PM
Anyone else a little nervous about the great defense falling off once Danny's back and the offense still taking time to get close to fixed? Not because "oh Danny doesn't defend" or anything, just because it'll be different groups on the floor than there has been and chemistry'll be off.

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 07:44 PM
Thumbs down to that guy boo.

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 07:46 PM
Anyone else a little nervous about the great defense falling off once Danny's back and the offense still taking time to get close to fixed? Not because "oh Danny doesn't defend" or anything, just because it'll be different groups on the floor than there has been and chemistry'll be off.

As long as Danny doesn't take plays off I think there won't be any issues.

Eleazar
12-07-2012, 07:48 PM
Anyone else a little nervous about the great defense falling off once Danny's back and the offense still taking time to get close to fixed? Not because "oh Danny doesn't defend" or anything, just because it'll be different groups on the floor than there has been and chemistry'll be off.

I think it might be best to bring him off the bench this year. It really just depends on how he plays when he comes back.

Heisenberg
12-07-2012, 07:50 PM
I think it might be best to bring him off the bench this year.

Assuming he's 100% when he comes back, which is the point right?, this is crazy talk.

Eleazar
12-07-2012, 07:53 PM
Assuming he's 100% when he comes back, which is the point right?, this is crazy talk.

Being 100% healthy, doesn't mean you are in game shape or at tho top of your game. It also doesn't mean better chemistry. There is nothing wrong with using him like Ginobli.

Heisenberg
12-07-2012, 07:54 PM
I just noticed it but Roy's home/away splits are pretty nuts. Shooting 30%(!) at the Fieldhouse but 45% on the road.

He's also shooting 61% from the line overall, which is really hurting his production.

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 07:55 PM
This game will be a great test. The Nuggets are a strong offensive team but when it comes to defensive rankings they rank a bit below average (17-22 range). They seem bad at defending the 3 point shot (28th in opponent 3P %) so that's something that we can take advantage of.

Overally, I think that we match better against the Western Conference teams because I believe that our D is the real deal. So, it will be a very interested test. It will either confirm my suspicions or make me search some more data about our D.

In any case, it will probably be nail-bitter. Needless to say, I'll be extremely happy with a W :)

Eleazar
12-07-2012, 08:01 PM
I just noticed it but Roy's home/away splits are pretty nuts. Shooting 30%(!) at the Fieldhouse but 45% on the road.

He's also shooting 61% from the line overall, which is really hurting his production.

He has been "shooting" better lately (3 games above 45% out of the last 5) which probably contribute, also his low point seems to have been when we had more home game than away.

McKeyFan
12-07-2012, 08:06 PM
I just noticed it but Roy's home/away splits are pretty nuts. Shooting 30%(!) at the Fieldhouse but 45% on the road.

The answer to that riddle may be that he feels more pressure in front of the fans and arena where he's being paid tens of millions.

LG33
12-07-2012, 08:09 PM
Larry Wilmore working the baseline.

MvPlumlee
12-07-2012, 08:09 PM
Chris and Quinn, finally :dance:

Defense againt offense.

Go Pacers!

LG33
12-07-2012, 08:11 PM
We've already given up more points to Greek players tonight than in the first 19 games combined.

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 08:12 PM
West should be able to take advantage of Faried, he is not that good of a defender, now with that said Faried could make it hard on him too.

rock747
12-07-2012, 08:13 PM
Solid start...

LG33
12-07-2012, 08:14 PM
We're 12/54th of the way to a 54 point quarter. Not a jinx.

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 08:15 PM
We've already given up more points to Greek players tonight than in the first 19 games combined.

A good thing that I don't play in the NBA :laugh:

LucasRL13
12-07-2012, 08:15 PM
Best 3m of the season

INDYYYYY

Eleazar
12-07-2012, 08:15 PM
3 assists for PG already

McKeyFan
12-07-2012, 08:16 PM
Chris and Quinn, finally :dance:



One man's trash is another man's treasure.

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 08:16 PM
The Pacers are going to look amazing on the offensive side today.

Heisenberg
12-07-2012, 08:17 PM
I love watching Faried play. He's like Hansbrough w/o the ADD.

LG33
12-07-2012, 08:18 PM
I love watching Faried play. He's like Hansbrough w/o the ADD.

His ADD is his best attribute!

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 08:19 PM
Come on Paul George are you kidding me?

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 08:19 PM
George's idea was nice but the execution could have been a lot better.

Trader Joe
12-07-2012, 08:19 PM
Quin Buckner, man, the guy just is kind of a dummy when it comes to basketball. It's never a good thing to pull up on a fast break when you are 6'10" and can jump like Paul.

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 08:20 PM
Quin Buckner, man, the guy just is kind of a dummy when it comes to basketball. It's never a good thing to pull up on a fast break when you are 6'10" and can jump like Paul.

Faried would block him. The idea was good but Paul could have used a better up and under.

Heisenberg
12-07-2012, 08:21 PM
Quin Buckner, man, the guy just is kind of a dummy when it comes to basketball. It's never a good thing to pull up on a fast break when you are 6'10" and can jump like Paul.
I love Quinn, he's like the goofy uncle, but I don't know how he got a job where the one prerequisite is the ability to clearly express your thoughts. I know it was just an interim thing but I can't believe he was a head coach.

Trader Joe
12-07-2012, 08:21 PM
Faried would block him. The idea was good but Paul could have used a better up and under.

Faried could not block that cleanly if Paul had gone up as hard as he can athletically. Just no way. Faried is a grea tleaper but so is Paul and Paul is taller.

LG33
12-07-2012, 08:21 PM
David West with the quickest "And 1" of the season.

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 08:23 PM
I really don't like that all of their points have come in the paint.

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 08:23 PM
Denver is another team that can use Gasol.

Trader Joe
12-07-2012, 08:23 PM
Denver is another team that can use Gasol.

Too up tempo IMO.

Heisenberg
12-07-2012, 08:24 PM
Roy's not gonna be able to handle McGee's athleticism

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 08:24 PM
Faried could not block that cleanly if Paul had gone up as hard as he can athletically. Just no way. Faried is a grea tleaper but so is Paul and Paul is taller.

Yeah but Faried was in a great rhythm in order to block it. I'm not sure, actually. That's just what I believe.

rock747
12-07-2012, 08:25 PM
Javale McGee has so much talent

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 08:25 PM
Mcgee almost pulled a Mcgee, come on Mcgee!!

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 08:25 PM
That was a great coast to coast by McGee.

Trader Joe
12-07-2012, 08:26 PM
Mcgee almost pulled a Mcgee, come on Mcgee!!

It's what we're all watching for tonight if we are honest.

LG33
12-07-2012, 08:26 PM
Fastbreak points are good enough for me, good enough for me and my JaVale McGee.

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 08:28 PM
Nice shot, Young :)

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 08:28 PM
Andre Miller usually makes them to play smart when he comes in.

rock747
12-07-2012, 08:29 PM
Honestly, aside for the first few games in which he was absolutely attrocious... Sam Young has been a steal.

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 08:31 PM
Hill :happydanc

Heisenberg
12-07-2012, 08:31 PM
offensive boards killing us

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 08:31 PM
Ian played great help D but someone has to try and block out their bigs.

LG33
12-07-2012, 08:32 PM
Forget about passing to these other guys, George Hill, just shoot it.

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 08:32 PM
Hill made up for his bad decision on the break with that 3.

rock747
12-07-2012, 08:34 PM
Meanwhile in the Boston game Rondo had an amazing first quarter: 10 Pts, 8 Reb, 5 Ast, 1 Stl, 2 Blk

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 08:34 PM
offensive boards killing us

They always have a big body around the rim to tip in a miss or a blocked shot. The problem is that since our Centers (Hibbert and Mahinmi) try to close out for help D someone has to rotate for them and grab the board over their bigs. Our 4s and our wings have to do a better job at it.

Heisenberg
12-07-2012, 08:34 PM
if I'm Frank I honestly wouldn't have Roy on the floor for a second with McGee out there. Roy just can't keep up with McGee when he's running to the rim like that, puts way too much pressure on everybody else and leads to open Denver looks.

Eleazar
12-07-2012, 08:34 PM
Too many easy baskets, all 22 of their points came in the paint.

LG33
12-07-2012, 08:36 PM
This unit - Augustin, Green, Young, Hansbrough, Mahinmi - is a disaster waiting to happen.

Sparhawk
12-07-2012, 08:36 PM
Meanwhile in the Boston game Rondo had an amazing first quarter: 10 Pts, 8 Reb, 5 Ast, 1 Stl, 2 Blk

That was just the first quarter. Holy ****.

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 08:36 PM
You know Mcgee is big when Ian looks small next to him damn.

rock747
12-07-2012, 08:37 PM
Honestly, we need a better backup PG bad!!

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 08:39 PM
This unit - Augustin, Green, Young, Hansbrough, Mahinmi - is a disaster waiting to happen.

Best bench in the league I tell you....

Heisenberg
12-07-2012, 08:39 PM
try that again McGee

rock747
12-07-2012, 08:40 PM
DJ Augustin is once again helping Denver back into this game!!!

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 08:40 PM
OMG that was amazing.

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 08:40 PM
Youuuuuuuuuuung :happydanc

rock747
12-07-2012, 08:40 PM
It's time to give Ben Hansbrough a shot...

Heisenberg
12-07-2012, 08:40 PM
jeesh. McGee threw that down from like 4 feet away from the rim.

LG33
12-07-2012, 08:40 PM
Lance Stephenson should get all D.J. Augustin's minutes when Danny gets back. Probably sooner.

Magic P
12-07-2012, 08:41 PM
Honestly, we need a better backup PG bad!!

I'd rather have Kevin Ollie than DJ

CableKC
12-07-2012, 08:41 PM
Vogel has to slow down the tempo......very few teams can beat the Nuggets at playing their up-tempo game.....we have to slow the momemtum and the pace of the game.

The Nuggets are conditioned at playing a super up-tempo game.....the Pacers aren't.

Play our game...not their game.

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 08:43 PM
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rock747
12-07-2012, 08:44 PM
It's been 20 games and Augustin has shown us nothing... time to try something else.

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 08:44 PM
Mcgee just pulled a Mcgee, thank you Mcgee.

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 08:45 PM
It's been 20 games and Augustin has shown us nothing... time to try something else.

Somebody should give him some PED's that is supposed to help bad players play good.

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 08:45 PM
Ian with 3 fouls. That's not good :(

rock747
12-07-2012, 08:46 PM
Augustin is killing us!

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 08:46 PM
Why DJ? :(

IrishPacer
12-07-2012, 08:46 PM
You suck DJ.

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 08:46 PM
The Pacers D looks bad.

rock747
12-07-2012, 08:47 PM
Augustin starts run for other teams! its ridiculous.

Heisenberg
12-07-2012, 08:47 PM
I was really excited about getting Augustin. I don't get it. It's a contract year DJ!

LuckSwagger
12-07-2012, 08:48 PM
Man I'm sick of Augustin.

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 08:48 PM
We allow 34.5 points in the paint per Game. They already have 32 of their 38 points in the paint.

rock747
12-07-2012, 08:48 PM
Augustin won't be in the NBA next year.

LuckSwagger
12-07-2012, 08:48 PM
From 10 points up to 4 points down. Why are we so bad when we're ahead?

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 08:49 PM
I was really excited about getting Augustin. I don't get it. It's a contract year DJ!

I thought he was going to be the only one to make a positive impact I guess I was wrong :kickcan:

Hypnotiq
12-07-2012, 08:49 PM
Sign Mike bibby i really dont care

DJ Augustin is a poor excuse for a basketball player

he is one of my most hated players in recent memory

rock747
12-07-2012, 08:49 PM
From 10 points up to 4 points down. Why are we so bad when we're ahead?

Because our bench, led by DJ Augustin comes in. That's truly why.

ensergio
12-07-2012, 08:50 PM
Sorry, DJ sucks.

Eleazar
12-07-2012, 08:50 PM
How long does it take to realize that everytime DJ enters in the 2nd the other team goes on a streak, and takes the lead. He single handily makes a decent bench into the worst bench in the league.

rock747
12-07-2012, 08:51 PM
Just accept DJ was a mistake and go out and get someone else...

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 08:51 PM
DJ to LA makes so much sense, make it happen Pacers.

Eleazar
12-07-2012, 08:51 PM
How about we get Area 55 and G2 to start some chants to get DJ off the court.

Johanvil
12-07-2012, 08:52 PM
Vogel should be blamed as much as DJ.It's past ridiculous now.

LucasRL13
12-07-2012, 08:52 PM
Lance have to be the Point Guard of the second unit, DJ is the worst PG in entire NBA

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 08:52 PM
Nice rebound, Roy. Continue playing aggressive.

IrishPacer
12-07-2012, 08:53 PM
Roy is hungry.

rock747
12-07-2012, 08:53 PM
We need a good veteran PG for the bench... anyone.

Heisenberg
12-07-2012, 08:54 PM
it's a good thing Hill's not really a point guard because Indiana continues to be the place point guards go to die

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 08:55 PM
Great ball movement.

CableKC
12-07-2012, 08:55 PM
That was superb ball movement to get that open 3pt shot.

Eleazar
12-07-2012, 08:55 PM
I thought West got away with one for a second.

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 08:55 PM
We need a good veteran PG for the bench... anyone.

Derek Fisher was a free agent, he is doing well in Dallas.

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 08:56 PM
Good job, Lance :)

rock747
12-07-2012, 08:56 PM
annd the starters bring us back... we really need a solid bench... frustrating

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 08:56 PM
Free Lance. ......

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 08:57 PM
Roy and West can't run worth a damn.

Heisenberg
12-07-2012, 08:58 PM
lol some of these shots West hits over guys with absolutely no elevation are just hilarious

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 08:59 PM
we really need a solid bench

Seriously, Tyler is decent this year. Ian is dependable as a backup C. Young is good for his salary. Green is a bit incosistent but he's more good than bad lately. It's just Augustin that has been completely AWOL.

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 09:00 PM
Roy and West can't run worth a damn.

Wasn't it always obvious? :D

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 09:01 PM
Oh oh Faried and Mcgee together.

Sparhawk
12-07-2012, 09:01 PM
Mike Bibby, please hurry up your comeback. Pacers need you.

Heisenberg
12-07-2012, 09:02 PM
Denver's been pretty solid in spite of Iggy being kinda bad. Didn't expect that.

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 09:03 PM
Denver's been pretty solid in spite of Iggy being kinda bad. Didn't expect that.

Iggy has been bad for some games this year.

Eleazar
12-07-2012, 09:03 PM
Ha.

LG33
12-07-2012, 09:03 PM
David West is using rim magnets.

Heisenberg
12-07-2012, 09:04 PM
enough with those damn flip shots PG

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 09:04 PM
Aaaaaargh. That one should go in.

Heisenberg
12-07-2012, 09:04 PM
Iggy has been bad for some games this year.
that's what I meant, talking about all year. really expected Iggy to thrive under Karl.

PacersForever
12-07-2012, 09:06 PM
Hibbert is ****ing garbage noow !

Eleazar
12-07-2012, 09:07 PM
Hill +11
Augustine - 12

Heisenberg
12-07-2012, 09:07 PM
Hibbert is ****ing garbage noow !

offensively

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 09:08 PM
that's what I meant, talking about all year. really expected Iggy to thrive under Karl.

I expected him to be better but at the same time Karl's system needs players that can shoot the 3 and Iggy is not good at it.

IrishPacer
12-07-2012, 09:08 PM
Is David West the most underrated power forward in the NBA at the moment?

Eleazar
12-07-2012, 09:09 PM
Is David West the most underrated power forward in the NBA at the moment?

Offensively maybe.

LG33
12-07-2012, 09:09 PM
The thing about David West is he creates most of his own offense, which is really good when your offense is otherwise terrible.

Magic P
12-07-2012, 09:10 PM
If Vogel plays all five bench players vs the Thunder it's going to get ugly.

Heisenberg
12-07-2012, 09:10 PM
The thing about David West is he creates most of his own offense.
and pretty much just with his elbows, he's honestly pretty funny to watch. dude's just a brute.

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 09:11 PM
Is David West the most underrated power forward in the NBA at the moment?

Lamarcus Aldridge is that guy, nobody talks about him.

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 09:12 PM
Mike Bibby, please hurry up your comeback. Pacers need you.

No thank you I rather see Ben.

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 09:13 PM
Lamarcus Aldridge is that guy, nobody talks about him.

He should be mentioned more often in the top 5 PF discussion. It's hard to spot him among all those Oregonian trees, though :(

Rogco
12-07-2012, 09:13 PM
Hill +11
Augustine - 12

Augustine's defense was putrid (so was his offense, but that D was just unforgivable.) Stick Ben in there, it's got to be an upgrade.

LG33
12-07-2012, 09:14 PM
The saddest thing of all is that we already had two guys in Collison and Price who could have done a better job at backup PG for less.

Johanvil
12-07-2012, 09:15 PM
offensively

No need for clarification.When someone says "Roy is garbage",everyone now knows he means on the offensive end.

Heisenberg
12-07-2012, 09:16 PM
Augustine's defense was putrid (so was his offense, but that D was just unforgivable.) Stick Ben in there, it's got to be an upgrade.

Even if Little Hansbrough's not an upgrade you've got to at least give him some run and find out. DJ's just bad, there's no reason to keep going to that well and expect something different.

Johanvil
12-07-2012, 09:17 PM
He should be mentioned more often in the top 5 PF discussion. It's hard to spot him among all those Oregonian trees, though :(

I agree.I like him a lot.Sometimes though i think he shoots too much.

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 09:19 PM
Even if Little Hansbrough's not an upgrade you've got to at least give him some run and find out. DJ's just bad, there's no reason to keep going to that well and expect something different.

Rick C would have benched his a** long time ago.

Cousy47
12-07-2012, 09:20 PM
Even if Little Hansbrough's not an upgrade you've got to at least give him some run and find out. DJ's just bad, there's no reason to keep going to that well and expect something different.

Maybe a benching in the middle of a play with a glare to match (like RC with DC) would wake Augustin up? I don't know why Frank puts up with his play when he is so early to yank Lance for less bone head.

rock747
12-07-2012, 09:24 PM
I would be elated if Frank brought Hansbrough in instead of Augustin this half...

gummy
12-07-2012, 09:24 PM
No need for clarification.When someone says "Roy is garbage",everyone now knows he means on the offensive end.

Maybe. But these broad statements also mean that over time his excellent defense becomes invisible and/or undervalued. As a long suffering fan of defense, I am in favor of poking a poster to be specific so as to keep perceptions balanced.

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 09:25 PM
They are scoring inside like crazy, there is that D.

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 09:26 PM
They are scoring inside like crazy, there is that D.

And all starts by dribble penentration. Most of it falls to our guards, really.

rock747
12-07-2012, 09:27 PM
West is in beastmode.

Heisenberg
12-07-2012, 09:27 PM
we're so screwed if we lose West

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 09:28 PM
PG :happydanc

rock747
12-07-2012, 09:29 PM
we're so screwed if we lose West

yep.

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 09:30 PM
we're so screwed if we lose West

Pacers are screwed if they lose either West, Roy or Paul George.

Heisenberg
12-07-2012, 09:30 PM
Pacers are screwed if they lose either West, Roy or Paul George.

sure, but only one of those guys is about to be a free agent

rock747
12-07-2012, 09:31 PM
Pacers are screwed if they lose either West, Roy or Paul George.

I don't know... I can't imagine DJ Augustin in the starting line up right now...

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 09:34 PM
Great now Ian is in.....

rock747
12-07-2012, 09:36 PM
Really stupid foul young

Heisenberg
12-07-2012, 09:37 PM
dumb foul Young

LuckSwagger
12-07-2012, 09:38 PM
In just 1:45, Sam Young with a shooting foul, a clear path foul and a turnover. Nice work. :rolleyes:

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 09:38 PM
PG :happydanc

Heisenberg
12-07-2012, 09:38 PM
HAHAHA, there's the Javale we all know and love

rock747
12-07-2012, 09:38 PM
Shaqtin a fool!!!!

LG33
12-07-2012, 09:39 PM
YES MCGEE!

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 09:39 PM
Mcgee :lol:

CableKC
12-07-2012, 09:39 PM
That's just typical JaVale McGee

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 09:39 PM
Youuuuuuuuuuung :happydanc

Heisenberg
12-07-2012, 09:40 PM
why give PG the ball there? why did no one come help?

LG33
12-07-2012, 09:40 PM
I know it's been close throughout, but I can't see us winning this one.

rock747
12-07-2012, 09:41 PM
Someone get a youtube clip of that, I want to see it again! haha. the crowd cheered.

LucasRL13
12-07-2012, 09:41 PM
OMG Sam Young is just unconscient

CableKC
12-07-2012, 09:43 PM
Man...good pass to Young....West must has eyes in the back of his eyes....

LG33
12-07-2012, 09:44 PM
OMG Sam Young is just unconscient

Better get Josh Corbeil out there then!

CableKC
12-07-2012, 09:44 PM
LOL at George Karl's reaction after Javale gives up the ball.

rock747
12-07-2012, 09:45 PM
DJ Augustin:censored:

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 09:45 PM
Why DJ? :(

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 09:45 PM
Good job DJ........

Johanvil
12-07-2012, 09:46 PM
We are so sloppy and stupid sometimes.

Eleazar
12-07-2012, 09:47 PM
We are so sloppy and stupid sometimes.

That is a characteristic of a young team.

rock747
12-07-2012, 09:48 PM
We are so sloppy and stupid sometimes.

By we do you mean DJ Augustine and all the time?

Johanvil
12-07-2012, 09:48 PM
That is a characteristic of a young team.

Doesn't make it less frustrating.

McKeyFan
12-07-2012, 09:50 PM
Sam Young has three times the leash of Lance.

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 09:50 PM
Young with his inner reggie ......

rock747
12-07-2012, 09:52 PM
may have to just play the entire starting lineup in the 4th because the bench isnt going to give you ****.

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 09:52 PM
Good job, Ian.

CableKC
12-07-2012, 09:52 PM
GH for 3!

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 09:52 PM
George Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiill :happydanc

CableKC
12-07-2012, 09:53 PM
I hope that JaVale mcGee doesn't foul out....we need his basketball IQ on the floor.

Anthem
12-07-2012, 09:53 PM
I just turned on the game at the beginning of the 4th quarter... Sam Young looks awful.

rock747
12-07-2012, 09:53 PM
That dribble show by stephenson is why his leash is short I think. ha.

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 09:54 PM
This has to be one of the worse benches in the league.

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 09:54 PM
PG :happydanc:happydanc:happydanc

LG33
12-07-2012, 09:55 PM
Hansbrough's defense on Gallinari has been...not bad.

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 09:55 PM
I just turned on the game at the beginning of the 4th quarter... Sam Young looks awful.

Don't say that he is great.

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 09:55 PM
Hansbrough's defense on Gallinari has been...not bad.

Yeah, Hans seems much better on that end this season.

LG33
12-07-2012, 09:55 PM
Damn! I wanted to hear about Denari's text...

Heisenberg
12-07-2012, 09:55 PM
Hansbrough's defense on Gallinari has been...not bad.

He's been doing a surprisingly adequate job defending the ball all year really

BlueCollarColts
12-07-2012, 09:55 PM
what would you grade Paul George's game as so far? Have not seen much of the game? Has he created his own shot at all?

Anthem
12-07-2012, 09:56 PM
Tyler looks surprisingly adept on defense against a very solid scorer.... and plays some help defense and disrupts the driving point guard, who misses the shot. I like it.

Eleazar
12-07-2012, 09:56 PM
what would you grade Paul George's game as so far? Have not seen much of the game? Has he created his own shot at all?

B

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 09:57 PM
what would you grade Paul George's game as so far? Have not seen much of the game? Has he created his own shot at all?

Not bad but not good either. His jumper seems on but he is struggling around the rim.

daschysta
12-07-2012, 09:57 PM
what would you grade Paul George's game as so far? Have not seen much of the game? Has he created his own shot at all?

A bit, he's also created well for others from his dribble penetration.

CableKC
12-07-2012, 09:57 PM
I just turned on the game at the beginning of the 4th quarter... Sam Young looks awful.
He's been playing good defense and hitting the occassional 3pt shot. He's not as bad as DJ.

LG33
12-07-2012, 09:57 PM
Yeah, Hans seems much better on that end this season.


He's been doing a surprisingly adequate job defending the ball all year really

I'll be honest, I was kind of fishing for that response.

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 09:58 PM
On the other hand, we have to stop taking so many 3s :-p

LG33
12-07-2012, 09:58 PM
Spoke too soon about Hans, huh?

CableKC
12-07-2012, 09:59 PM
Lances is a decent rebounder....

rock747
12-07-2012, 09:59 PM
Stephenson... throws the ball away and doesn't stop lawson... runs away from the ball.

Anthem
12-07-2012, 10:00 PM
Good timeout here. Bring in the big guns.

Heisenberg
12-07-2012, 10:00 PM
Spoke too soon about Hans, huh?

jinxed

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 10:00 PM
Good timeout here. Bring in the big guns.

Yes, please.

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 10:00 PM
Spoke too soon about Hans, huh?

That was not bad D though, Gallo just made a good shot.

Heisenberg
12-07-2012, 10:01 PM
time for West iso's

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 10:01 PM
That was not bad D though, Gallo just made a good shot.

I agree. He couldn't close out quicker. A good play by their ball handler as well.

LG33
12-07-2012, 10:02 PM
That was not bad D though, Gallo just made a good shot.

I dunno, I think he got a little overaggressive with the help D.

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 10:02 PM
time for West iso's

You know it.

Heisenberg
12-07-2012, 10:03 PM
we're getting beat by Corey Brewer

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 10:03 PM
If West could play D.

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 10:03 PM
Lance :happydanc

Leggooooooooooooo!!!

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 10:04 PM
Free Lance...........

CableKC
12-07-2012, 10:04 PM
Good patience by Hibbert

Dece
12-07-2012, 10:04 PM
Am I hallucinating? Did Roy Hibbert dunk the ball? He knows how to do that?

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 10:04 PM
Hibby :happydanc

Go, go, go!

Heisenberg
12-07-2012, 10:04 PM
Roy got away with a hook. refs must like nice guys

CableKC
12-07-2012, 10:04 PM
OMG....that was beautiful by GH.

Heisenberg
12-07-2012, 10:05 PM
bout time we got some junk to go in

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 10:05 PM
OMG what a crazy shot lol

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 10:05 PM
George ****ING Hill :happydanc:happydanc:happydanc

Anthem
12-07-2012, 10:05 PM
Holy cow I can't believe we got an and-one on that. That entire play was a hot mess.

Also, I can't even describe how happy I am when Roy dunks the ball.

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 10:06 PM
Mcgee :laugh:

LG33
12-07-2012, 10:07 PM
Paul George is three-point ready.

rock747
12-07-2012, 10:07 PM
Where has that fire been from Paul George? Our starters do everything...

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 10:07 PM
Paul George can't miss.

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 10:07 PM
Paul ****ING Georgeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :happydanc:happydanc:happydanc:happydanc:happydanc

CableKC
12-07-2012, 10:07 PM
I love the excitement from the crowd.

Heisenberg
12-07-2012, 10:08 PM
so this might be becoming a thing with Paul George

BlueCollarColts
12-07-2012, 10:08 PM
wow, Paul George looks like he wants to score and take over.......... for 3 games in a row!

Kemo
12-07-2012, 10:08 PM
One hell of a good game tonight....if I must say so myself....

LG33
12-07-2012, 10:08 PM
George Hill, dub dub.

IrishPacer
12-07-2012, 10:09 PM
This has been a very entertaining game of basketball.

PG is loving the big shot. Great to see.

Dr. Awesome
12-07-2012, 10:09 PM
Stephenson set that play up, great move by him.

15th parallel
12-07-2012, 10:09 PM
Another great showing from PG once again!

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 10:10 PM
Mcgee with a 3 there.

CableKC
12-07-2012, 10:11 PM
Stephenson set that play up, great move by him.
Obligatory....Free Lance!

LG33
12-07-2012, 10:11 PM
That call was laughable.

Dr. Awesome
12-07-2012, 10:12 PM
Can we get a flop fine for Miller?

CableKC
12-07-2012, 10:12 PM
WTF with that shot by GH?

rock747
12-07-2012, 10:13 PM
and just like that we're in big ****ing trouble.

LG33
12-07-2012, 10:13 PM
19 turnovers...

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 10:13 PM
Great D there....

Anthem
12-07-2012, 10:13 PM
The degree to which I hate George Hill's transition three cannot be described.

Not just that one, although I hated that one. But I hate them all.

PacersHomer
12-07-2012, 10:13 PM
lolrefs

Dr. Awesome
12-07-2012, 10:13 PM
WTF with that shot by GH?
Shots like that are why he is not worth 8 million dollars.

Nuntius
12-07-2012, 10:14 PM
Damn :(

Eleazar
12-07-2012, 10:14 PM
Just like that a terrible call changes the game.

vnzla81
12-07-2012, 10:14 PM
Wow, I thought Mcgee was going to pull a Mcgee and he didn't :(