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Coopdog23
12-06-2012, 09:11 AM
Paul is average 20+ points in the last few games and along with that the Pacers are winning. This hopefully is a sign of things to come for them.

pacers_heath
12-06-2012, 12:50 PM
while I agree with what you are saying I think your username should be changed to CaptainObvious23

naptownmenace
12-06-2012, 12:52 PM
Nice title. It's even better if you say it with a Russian accent.
:laugh:

Jrod Jones
12-06-2012, 12:58 PM
I hate to be such a downer but...

Paul George over his past 2 games (combined)

FG 21/40 3pt 5/12 56points, 17 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 blocks, and 4 steals.

Paul George in the 2 games before that (combined)

FG 2/18 3pt 0/11 4points, 9 rebounds, 13 assists, 0 blocks, and 2 steals



Maybe he should string a few games together before we start this conversation?

yoadknux
12-06-2012, 02:02 PM
Way too soon.

MillerTime
12-06-2012, 02:07 PM
I hate to be such a downer but...

Paul George over his past 2 games (combined)

FG 21/40 3pt 5/12 56points, 17 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 blocks, and 4 steals.

Paul George in the 2 games before that (combined)

FG 2/18 3pt 0/11 4points, 9 rebounds, 13 assists, 0 blocks, and 2 steals



Maybe he should string a few games together before we start this conversation?


Way too soon.

My thoughts exactly. Almost any player in this league can put together 2 great games.

Consistency is when PG does this 8 of out 10 games (at least).

Nevertheless, PG is only 22 years old. He's still young - but playing exceptionally well.

I hope we dont start hearing "trade Granger, we've got PG" again

daschysta
12-06-2012, 02:21 PM
I hate to be such a downer but...

Paul George over his past 2 games (combined)

FG 21/40 3pt 5/12 56points, 17 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 blocks, and 4 steals.

Paul George in the 2 games before that (combined)

FG 2/18 3pt 0/11 4points, 9 rebounds, 13 assists, 0 blocks, and 2 steals



Maybe he should string a few games together before we start this conversation?

He's obviously inconsistent, noone can argue that, but a knock on him prior to the 30+ explosions recently and looking more assertive was that even though we believed he had potential he hadn't put together an entire game where he "dominated", and looked in control unless he was just hitting a lucky amount of 3's. The last two games were different, he was controlling the games for large stretches, he was attacking the basket with a purpose and scoring or creating easy shots for others, he was decisive in his moves, he knew what shot he wanted and didn't hesitate, be it midrange, drive and kick or whatever. He's shown all the skill necessary to be a 20+ scorer during the last two games, he can't do it consistently yet, but he absolutely has the ability, he can obviously drain 3's, which opens up alot, but he's been using his height and improved handles to get to the middle of the floor for mid ranged J's that no shooting guard can really bother at 6'9 and his arms, he's used the threat of a 3 to get into the lane and find open spot up guys or cutters and used his length to get the ball on the rim, after which good things tend to happen with rebounders on the floor like we have. I've seen him attack matchups against smaller guys by doing a little mid post move into a slight fade away taking advantage of his high release... These are winning moves, they aren't lucky or awkward like some of the stuff Tyler has thrown somehow through the hoop in the past, it's good stuff that can be the foundation of a consistent high caliber scoring repotoir, and moves that George should be able to consistently get, even against tough coverage.

The best part is that the things he has been doing are things we've known he could do all along, but it seems like his mindset has been different the last two, there isn't the hesitation, there isn't the deferring even when he himself is the best option for the team, he hasn't been hanging his head when he misses a shot. It's exciting because his skill or physical talent has never been holding him back, and if he continues to be aggressive it could be a game changer for the team.

I mean PG did average a respectable amount of points on a balanced team last year, and he did it efficiently, this year has been about adjusting to a more featured role, with more attention, an dthe other teams best perimeter defender riding you. Games like the last two illustrate that George certainly has the capability to step up and play like a star on the offensive side of the floor, and not just the defensive one. Noone is declaring he's going to average 20+ the rest of the season, but imo these last two games were the two best of his career, and it was his decisive presense that connected them thematically, it's very good news for Indy.

Now he just needs to avoid completely dissapearing, we don't need 20+ from him every night, but lets see if he can put up at least 14-15 each night even if he isn't on fire, games like that in between great games like the last two, instead of peppered with nights of 0-5 points every once and a while would be great progress. I think George is finally "getting it" though. He's beginning to really see the connection between the Pacers' winning and his own assertiveness and fingerprint on the games. I've always believed PG to be a team guy first, if he thinks that not shooting and deferring on offense to focus on defense gives them the best chance to win, then that's what Paul is inclined to do, but if he's realizing that a more featured role for him offensively is what we need to win the most ball games, then I think we'll see a much more consistently aggressive PG looking for his own shot as well as creating for others off of his action. Vogel, I believe is a great guy for this particular situation, as his greatest strengths as a coach lie in motivating players and instilling drive and confidence in the people around him. I wouldn't be suprised to see PG play at a consistently high level for the majority of the rest of the season, it isn't that he put up two great games in a row in a box score sense (though i'm rather sure he's never done that before this either) it's the moxy and approach during those games that is exciting to me as a Pacers fan. Paul with that mindset is a guy that can be one of the best two way players in basketball. I believe that it was Naptown_Seth that was musing about how PG would just "get it" one day and start to perform consistently at a very high level, despite his previous inconsistencies, I think he's correct, but that was always how it was going to happen, as it isn't really ability that was in doubt, but the wherewithal to consistently apply his talent on a ball game when necessary.

daschysta
12-06-2012, 02:36 PM
My thoughts exactly. Almost any player in this league can put together 2 great games.

Consistency is when PG does this 8 of out 10 games (at least).

Nevertheless, PG is only 22 years old. He's still young - but playing exceptionally well.

I hope we dont start hearing "trade Granger, we've got PG" again


I'm not sure that he needs to have 8 out of 10 games like the last two.

What I do want to see is games like last nights and tuesdays bookended by "decent to good" performances (14-15 ppg on non-attrocious percentages) instead of by games like the previous two before the two stellar games he just had. That would be great progress and bode well for his development as a top offensive player. My optimistic expectation is we'll see PG average 17-18 ppg over the last few months of the season, score 20+ every few games but avoid the games where it seemed like PG decided the TV camera would steal his soul if he was caught doing something aggressive offensively to stand out.

What everyone should be able to agree on is that it's certainly great that PG is showing flashes of all-star offensive ability for entire games as opposed to bits and pieces scattered throughout the schedule and practice, and whose only huge games were ones were he was unholy hot from behind the arc, which simply isn't going to happen more than every once and a while.

Coopdog23
12-06-2012, 02:52 PM
while I agree with what you are saying I think your username should be changed to CaptainObvious23

Think you need to chill

Eleazar
12-06-2012, 02:52 PM
4 out of the last 9 games he has scored 20 or more.

RamBo_Lamar
12-06-2012, 04:04 PM
I have to agree with Paul George coming starting to emerge - big time.

Looking back at when the Pacers first got Reggie and how he developed, I know this may sound
sacreligious, but it looks to me like PG is ahead of Reggie's curve at the same point of their
development in several different areas.

It is doubtful PG will have the longevity Reggie had (that is VERY rare), but if PG could just keep
getting more and more of a killer "dagger to the heart" instinct, he may end up being the one of
the best to ever wear a Pacers uniform.

I have seen enough to be seriously convinced PG is indeed our new Reggie, and hopefully for a
long time to come.

AesopRockOn
12-06-2012, 05:04 PM
Nice title. It's even better if you say it with a Russian accent.
:laugh:

It's pretty much how Fez would describe childbirth.

Ace E.Anderson
12-06-2012, 05:23 PM
4 out of the last 9 games he has scored 20 or more.

With games of 15, 12, 6, 4 and 0. Lol INCONSISTENT!!

Johanvil
12-06-2012, 05:52 PM
knee-jerk

Eleazar
12-06-2012, 07:03 PM
With games of 15, 12, 6, 4 and 0. Lol INCONSISTENT!!

Tell us something new. I don't think anyone on this board doesn't realize that time span includes a 4 point and 0 point games, but they might not realize how many 20+ games he has had recently.

beast23
12-06-2012, 07:18 PM
Isn't there some redundancy in the title?

BlueNGold
12-06-2012, 08:58 PM
When Paul averages 20PPG over the course of a couple months...we can say he's starting to emerge...assuming that means emerging as a star in the league. As long as he comes back with 2-12 game with 7 points every 3 or 4 games, he has not arrived. That's not what stars do.

xIndyFan
12-06-2012, 09:18 PM
let's see is Paul has scored 500 points by game 41. Anyone can score 20 pts once or twice or for a week. To be an NBA star, he needs to produce game in and game out, not once or twice a week. Wait and see how long it takes him to get 500 points before crowning him king.

beast23
12-06-2012, 09:21 PM
When Paul averages 20PPG over the course of a couple months...we can say he's starting to emerge...assuming that means emerging as a star in the league. As long as he comes back with 2-12 game with 7 points every 3 or 4 games, he has not arrived. That's not what stars do.
So, according to your definition, can we assume that you consider Lillard to be a "star"?

CJ Jones
12-06-2012, 09:23 PM
When Paul averages 20PPG over the course of a couple months...we can say he's starting to emerge...assuming that means emerging as a star in the league. As long as he comes back with 2-12 game with 7 points every 3 or 4 games, he has not arrived. That's not what stars do.

I would say he's arrived at that point.

CJ Jones
12-06-2012, 09:25 PM
let's see is Paul has scored 500 points by game 41. Anyone can score 20 pts once or twice or for a week. To be an NBA star, he needs to produce game in and game out, not once or twice a week. Wait and see how long it takes him to get 500 points before crowning him king.

Patience. It might not happen this year, but it will happen.

xIndyFan
12-06-2012, 09:40 PM
Patience. It might not happen this year, but it will happen.

it had better happen this year. He has 285 pts already. Actually my number was too low. The question should be how long it takes him to get to 1000 points. In other words, can he produce game after game. Lots of guys can score for a game or two. To be a star, he needs to generate numbers.

McKeyFan
12-06-2012, 09:43 PM
I'm not so much looking for 20 point games as I am a consistent tendency to take good shots, penetrate, get to the rim, draw fouls, etc.

If he does all this and goes 3-12 and scores 10 points once in a while, I won't be too upset. Because if he does the right things, he will end up averaging around 6-12 and 16-18 or so points and a healthy number of assists. That's what we need from him.

BlueNGold
12-06-2012, 09:43 PM
So, according to your definition, can we assume that you consider Lillard to be a "star"?

No, but I would have to say he's emerging...at least offensively. The young man is Paul's age yet is only in his first year...and has far more to show for it.

D-BONE
12-06-2012, 10:34 PM
I have to agree with Paul George coming starting to emerge - big time.



Interesting post, but hard to agree with a statement as puzzling as this, no?

D-BONE
12-06-2012, 10:35 PM
This thread title is dangerous.

Steagles
12-07-2012, 08:11 AM
I don't want to get too excited too soon. Yes, flashes of great play have been seen, but until he is consistent about it, he is just not there. Yet.


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Speed
12-07-2012, 11:16 AM
PD - double verb title usages and peeing in your cheerios since 2004. :)

I try to include everyone when I bust on us.

BlueCollarColts
12-08-2012, 11:50 AM
another 20 pt game, 34, 22, and 22 last night, 3 games in a row and at a high percentage, season average up to 15.4 ppg, maybe the star is coming out

Hicks
12-08-2012, 01:12 PM
He had another really good game, though this was unlike the other two in that I felt like I was back to watching the Paul George who isn't very assertive, makes 'cute' decisions instead of hard/strong decisions with the ball, and was hitting more perimeter shots again. A good game, but not an impressive one to me.

I want more of the Paul George who you can tell pretty quickly is on a mission and asserts himself rather than being cute and/or taking a lot of perimeter shots.

BlueCollarColts
12-08-2012, 09:29 PM
we have a 22 year old averaging 15.4 ppg, dude has a high ceiling

Eleazar
12-08-2012, 11:43 PM
we have a 22 year old averaging 15.4 ppg, dude has a high ceiling

19.5 this month.

BlueNGold
12-08-2012, 11:51 PM
Paul's doing well and he may turn out to be the best Pacer ever. He's beginning to show some things that the greats show on a regular basis, so I am hopeful and maybe a bit surprised. With that said, most superstars at 22 years old are averaging 20ppg or higher at the age of 22. The very best like LeBron, Mello, etc. are even higher. I think they were both around 28 or 29ppg. Even Rudy Gay averaged 20ppg...and that was at 21. The good news is that Paul should have no problem cracking 20ppg as an NBA pro and that means we have a #1 option here.

Hicks
12-09-2012, 12:42 AM
The sniff test of sorts, to me, will be to start doing what JayRedd has been calling for on Twitter: More pick and rolls with Paul and David West. It doesn't seem to be run much, but when it does good things usually happen, and it allows Paul to show off an underrated part of his game (yes, even in the face of his terrible, cutesy turnovers): His passing. The dude can distribute the ball. If he can prove to be consistently good at that if we run him with PnR's on a more regular basis, that's huge because it makes him much harder to guard. Play him for the passes he can make, and you leave him open to shoot from 18 feet or drive. He can kill you from 18 feet, but for now driving is a box of chocolates.

Coopdog23
12-10-2012, 04:07 PM
Paul's doing well and he may turn out to be the best Pacer ever. He's beginning to show some things that the greats show on a regular basis, so I am hopeful and maybe a bit surprised. With that said, most superstars at 22 years old are averaging 20ppg or higher at the age of 22. The very best like LeBron, Mello, etc. are even higher. I think they were both around 28 or 29ppg. Even Rudy Gay averaged 20ppg...and that was at 21. The good news is that Paul should have no problem cracking 20ppg as an NBA pro and that means we have a #1 option here.

Let's wait until we get to the best Pacer ever comparison. He may get there, but it may take a while