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Heisenberg
12-04-2012, 07:38 PM
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--nola-hornets-to-change-nickname-to-pelicans-231227843.html


The New Orleans Hornets are expected to change their nickname to the Pelicans as early as the 2013-14 season, numerous sources told Yahoo! Sports.

The Hornets planned to change their nickname since Tom Benson, owner of the New Orleans Saints, purchased the team on April 14. Benson also owns the rights to the nickname Pelicans.

The Hornets also considered the nicknames Krewe (groups of costumed paraders in the annual Mardi Gras carnival in New Orleans) and Brass.

Louisiana is the Pelican State. The brown pelican is the state bird and appears on the state flag and seal, and official state painting.

Moreover, the Pelicans played minor league baseball in New Orleans in all but nine seasons from 1887-1959 and in 1977.

Gayle Benson, Benson's wife, told Fox Sports New Orleans recently her preference for new team colors was navy blue, red and gold.

The Hornets came to New Orleans in 2002 from Charlotte. New Orleans has also had an NBA team called the Jazz, which moved to Salt Lake City in 1979.

Some fans of the Charlotte Bobcats are hoping to get their old Hornets nickname back. The Hornets began playing in Charlotte in 1988. Bobcats owner Michael Jordan told The Charlotte Observer he would consider changing it back to Hornets if the name was available.


Well...at least it's different?

Kid Minneapolis
12-04-2012, 07:40 PM
The PELICANS?????

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cdash
12-04-2012, 07:41 PM
Well, then. This is awesome news.

idioteque
12-04-2012, 07:42 PM
I actually like it. "Pels" is a good nickname too.

d_c
12-04-2012, 07:43 PM
My guess is this paves the way for Charlotte to change their mascot back to the Hornets. Again, just my guess.

cgg
12-04-2012, 07:44 PM
wat

rock747
12-04-2012, 07:49 PM
I love it. What invokes more fear than PELICANS?




Honestly, I do like Brass. Should have went with that one. The New Orleans Brass.

Heisenberg
12-04-2012, 07:50 PM
Navy blue, red, and gold sounds pretty terrible.

vnzla81
12-04-2012, 07:50 PM
I guess they are getting sponsored by Kelloggs now?

cdash
12-04-2012, 07:55 PM
I love it. What invokes more fear than PELICANS?]

You joke but those *******s are massive birds.

LetsTalkPacers84
12-04-2012, 08:01 PM
Navy blue, red, and gold sounds pretty terrible.

Sounds like the Indiana Fever to me.

Kstat
12-04-2012, 08:01 PM
This is outstanding news... For Charlotte.

The hornets will be back where they belong.

Heisenberg
12-04-2012, 08:01 PM
Sounds like the Indiana Fever to me

That ain't gold. That's yellow.

Roaming Gnome
12-04-2012, 08:04 PM
I guess they are getting sponsored by Kelloggs now?
Umm... That is a Toucan!

LetsTalkPacers84
12-04-2012, 08:04 PM
That ain't gold. That's yellow.

Then how about the cavs from 3-4 years ago http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41QotgwCHUL._AA300_.jpg

Also if the Fever are yellow, than why are the pacers considered gold?

Justin Tyme
12-04-2012, 08:05 PM
LOL!!!!

Pelicans?? That's just horrendous! Whoever thought that up should be fired.

rock747
12-04-2012, 08:05 PM
Pelicans sounds like minor league team.

Heisenberg
12-04-2012, 08:06 PM
Then how about the cavs from 3-4 years ago http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41QotgwCHUL._AA300_.jpg
ugly

vnzla81
12-04-2012, 08:06 PM
Umm... That is a Toucan!

For some reason I was confusing a tucan with a pelican :laugh:

LetsTalkPacers84
12-04-2012, 08:08 PM
All those damn birds look alike -Clint Eastwood

NapTonius Monk
12-04-2012, 08:08 PM
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJiJ3UI1T8HtmLdldlnP2uUT9SFcAdc Qzae7sWELB2nUEa6cDe https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTe1zrTvoSbLZd3w9DTslkHcc6yMnCUo xF_3mDKi3jfA1KZOWKFYw

Heisenberg
12-04-2012, 08:08 PM
you thought Gordon wanted out before? think the guy wants to be a Pelican!?

Hypnotiq
12-04-2012, 08:11 PM
I like it.

Heisenberg
12-04-2012, 08:12 PM
I like it.
I'm a big fan of all the local history and ties it has, but just..."The Pelicans."

Justin Tyme
12-04-2012, 08:15 PM
What team do you play for to the Brow. Oh ah ah, I play for the Pelicans.

LetsTalkPacers84
12-04-2012, 08:17 PM
Heres a picture of the old New Orleans Pelicans minor league baseball team. Even uses Blue, Red, Gold. Maybe where they got the idea?

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/attachments/ootp-mods-logos-graphics-html/226110d1313782154-new-logo-set-new-orleans-pelicans-alternate2.png

They could just replace the baseball bat with a uni brow

Sollozzo
12-04-2012, 08:17 PM
Awful.

Cousy47
12-04-2012, 08:24 PM
Maybe they should try to trade for Paul George and his "scoop" shot??????

Hicks
12-04-2012, 08:25 PM
Should have gone with the New Orleans Voodoo.

Even a kid friendly version of dark magic and whatnot could be a pretty cool theme.

TinManJoshua
12-04-2012, 08:27 PM
I already associate them with their "Mardi Gras" alternates. They should just make that their team colors.

Sparhawk
12-04-2012, 08:28 PM
That is *****ing retarded. Who comes up with these names? Not a chance in hell a fan would say that is a great name for a team.

Oh well.

Should have done some type of shellfish. New Orleans Prawns

hahaha

LetsTalkPacers84
12-04-2012, 08:28 PM
Seeing as Utah, New Orleans, and Charlotte are looking to change their names. Why not do a three way trade, lol.

New Orleans Jazz
Charlotte Hornets
Utah Bobcats

They all make absolute perfect sense.

Heisenberg
12-04-2012, 08:32 PM
I guess we can't make THAT much fun, what the hell's a "Pacer?" And don't tell me, I know, but it's still a pretty goofy name. We got used to the "Magic" after awhile, same with the Jurassic Park craze created "Raptors."

Basketball Fan
12-04-2012, 08:40 PM
They should've kept the Jazz at least that's tied to New Orleans.

Really?
12-04-2012, 08:49 PM
Just silly...

Kstat
12-04-2012, 08:51 PM
What is a pacer, exactly?

Eddie Gill
12-04-2012, 08:56 PM
Honestly, I do like Brass. Should have went with that one. The New Orleans Brass.

I agree. Then during trade rumors, New Orleans sources could be quoted as "Brass brass"

TinManJoshua
12-04-2012, 08:57 PM
What is a pacer, exactly?

The Pacers nickname references the pace car in auto racing and a style of harness-racing(horses).

Kstat
12-04-2012, 09:01 PM
The Pacers nickname references the pace car in auto racing and a style of harness-racing(horses).

No, I get that, but what's a pacer? Is it a part of a pace car? A type of pace car?

ColeTheMole
12-04-2012, 09:02 PM
643

<img src="http://www.pacersdigest.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=643&d=1354669176 alt="Pelican">

Steagles
12-04-2012, 09:05 PM
Should have gone with the New Orleans Voodoo.

Even a kid friendly version of dark magic and whatnot could be a pretty cool theme.

Sorry to break it to you, Hicks, but the New Orleans Voodoo already exist.

http://s3.grouponcdn.com/images/site_images/0616/1630/New-Orleans-Voodoo-_AFL__grid_6.jpg

vnzla81
12-04-2012, 09:12 PM
@DustinHefner: @HPbasketball Bet Ant Davis cant wait be be known as the "big pelican" or hearing he scoops up boards like a pelican scoops up fish #nba

Hicks
12-04-2012, 09:16 PM
Sorry to break it to you, Hicks, but the New Orleans Voodoo already exist.

http://s3.grouponcdn.com/images/site_images/0616/1630/New-Orleans-Voodoo-_AFL__grid_6.jpg

Buy it from them or rip them off, just do it! :devil:

Brad8888
12-04-2012, 09:17 PM
The Cajuns would have been good, or if they insist on an animal, the Crawdads...

One thing is true
about the pelican.
Its beak can hold more
than its belly can.

vnzla81
12-04-2012, 09:22 PM
@JADubin5: SOLUTION: New Orleans takes "Magic" from Orlando. Orlando changes name to "Orlando Future Lakers Centers."

PacerDude
12-04-2012, 09:28 PM
I'll stick with the Mardi Gras theme and suggest The Beads.

Think of the fun it would add to promotional nights.

Dr. Awesome
12-04-2012, 09:58 PM
My guess is this paves the way for Charlotte to change their mascot back to the Hornets. Again, just my guess.

I'm from Charlotte and grew up with the Horners. I still live in NC so I'm right in the middle of it.

I don't understand why everyone wants the Hornets name back. Obviously it would be nice, however, at this point it would just be confusing...has anything like this ever happened?

Dr. Awesome
12-04-2012, 09:58 PM
The Cajuns would have been good, or if they insist on an animal, the Crawdads...

One thing is true
about the pelican.
Its beak can hold more
than its belly can.
Crawdads woulda been awesome.

PaceBalls
12-04-2012, 10:07 PM
It should be the New Orleans Jazz. Let Utah be the Pelicans.

I do like the Pelicans more than some of the modern team names like the Heat or the Thunder, or the Fever.

Pace Maker
12-04-2012, 10:09 PM
the name sucks, but we'll get used to it. Oklahoma City Thunder is a terrible name but I barely notice anymore

Heisenberg
12-04-2012, 10:11 PM
Then how about the cavs from 3-4 years ago http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41QotgwCHUL._AA300_.jpg

Also if the Fever are yellow, than why are the pacers considered gold?
Pacers aren't gold either, they're yellow too. You don't get to change the name of colors just because it sounds better, I don't care what anyone says.

BlueNGold
12-04-2012, 10:17 PM
Finally. Big Baby can be delivered back home to Louisiana.

cdash
12-04-2012, 10:18 PM
I legitimately like this name change. Pelicans are some goofy *** birds. I can't wait to see this logo.

PacersHomer
12-04-2012, 10:30 PM
Great name.

MyFavMartin
12-04-2012, 11:31 PM
Swamp Monsters

Trophy
12-04-2012, 11:33 PM
Not a fan of the whole name change. I mean, Tom Benson bought a sports team, not some small business.

As far as the actually name, Pelicans isn't bad.

It'll be weird hearing and saying Indiana Pacers vs. New Orleans Pelicans when we play them.

Roaming Gnome
12-04-2012, 11:38 PM
Love the name because it is unique to Major League Sports.

Trader Joe
12-04-2012, 11:39 PM
MORE LIKE THE SMELLICANS, AMIRIGHT

aamcguy
12-04-2012, 11:44 PM
I think it's about time pelicans get some **** exposure. They're always playing second fiddle to hawks, eagles, and falcons.

Eleazar
12-04-2012, 11:47 PM
Better than the Bobcats, and it has greater meaning to the state than just a random animal. I do think Brass would have been a much better name though. I just hate when teams pick names that have no meaning at all to the city or state they are in.

Hopefully Charlotte can take the name Hornets back, and the colors.

Trophy
12-04-2012, 11:49 PM
Pacers aren't gold either, they're yellow too. You don't get to change the name of colors just because it sounds better, I don't care what anyone says.

:hmm:

LG33
12-04-2012, 11:52 PM
Should have gone with New Orleans Oil Slicks. And then they could call the bench players the "reserves".

glazedham42
12-04-2012, 11:52 PM
So now it's Utah's turn to relinquish the Jazz mascot to New Orleans right? I mean as long as we are giving mascots back to their rightful owners. No one goes to Utah for Jazz music....

Ransom
12-04-2012, 11:53 PM
http://youtu.be/POTUVc5wD8I

Don't know what the problem is. Pelicans are mean man!

Sollozzo
12-04-2012, 11:56 PM
Why are they changing their name when they've been the New Orleans Hornets for 11 years? They must be desperate for an influx of merchandise sales.

Trophy
12-04-2012, 11:56 PM
So now it's Utah's turn to relinquish the Jazz mascot to New Orleans right? I mean as long as we are giving mascots back to their rightful owners. No one goes to Utah for Jazz music....

The Jazz have nothing to do with this. They've been the Utah Jazz for decades and have built up great history and a strong fanbase in that time.

Trophy
12-04-2012, 11:59 PM
Why are they changing their name when they've been the New Orleans Hornets for 11 years? They must be desperate for an influx of merchandise sales.

At this point, they should've just left it alone after building up a fanbase to support the New Orleans Hornets.

Sollozzo
12-05-2012, 12:00 AM
At this point, they should've just left it alone after building up a fanbase to support the New Orleans Hornets.

I agree. Hornets is infinitely cooler than "Pelicans". That sounds like the name of some 1A baseball team in Florida or something.

MyFavMartin
12-05-2012, 12:03 AM
stick with the entymology theme: New Orleans Skeeters (mosquitos)

Richard_Skull
12-05-2012, 12:05 AM
What if they play Kevin Love tough? Then we can hear him complain about "Tough Pels".

Sollozzo
12-05-2012, 12:10 AM
It would be awesome if Charlotte dumps the "Bobcats" name though and takes the Hornets name back. The Charlotte Hornets used to have some sick merchandise back in the day that you'd see all over the place.

How can you not like this?

http://throwbacksnw.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/CharlotteHornets-Air-Jordan-5-Grapes.jpg

I remember seeing these:

http://c-product.images.fansedge.com/46-38/46-38608-Y.jpg

pizza guy
12-05-2012, 12:40 AM
Gators? Brass? Rebels? Cajuns? Generals?

Pelicans is awful. Worse than the Bobcats or Thunder, by far. And they should stick with the color scheme because purple works very well with the Mardi Gras thing.

Lord Helmet
12-05-2012, 12:43 AM
Charlotte Hornets is just classic 90's NBA and I love it. The Bobcats will definitely change their name now.

I can get used to the Pelicans. I want the Bobcats to just go back to the 90's scheme. Retro is the new new. Ask the Warriors and Sixers.

Kstat
12-05-2012, 12:47 AM
And the hive designed court. That was awesome.

Lord Helmet
12-05-2012, 12:48 AM
And the hive designed court. That was awesome.
I don't remember that. Going to Google it.

cdash
12-05-2012, 12:51 AM
Don't know what the problem is. Pelicans are mean man!

Yeah seriously. These are clearly not birds to be trifled with. They are out and out dicks. Aggressive dicks at that.

rock747
12-05-2012, 01:05 AM
I can't wait to see how Anthony Davis's career pans out. He is going to go down as the most legendary Pelican of all time!

Deadshot
12-05-2012, 01:08 AM
Some general responses to a few items in this thread...

The Voodoo were actually owned by Benson at one time but a new ownership team decided to take over the name.

There is a cat theme in Charlotte with the Panthers and the public transportation system. People here are still very bitter about the way everything went down. I think renaming the team the Hornets might help but if the product on the floor is bad, people won't show up. There is already some buzz about the Bobcats this year though, people seem to be legitimately excited (it helps that the Panthers and the city's star, Cam Newton, are performing poorly).

But I love the idea of bringing the Jazz name back to NO. However, the team has so much history in Utah it would be hard to change it now (even though Jazz has nothing to do with the area).

Edit: And regarding the name Pacers, I seem to recall the book Loose Balls talking about how the team would "set the pace for the league." The motorsports theme fits as well but I don't think that was actually the prime objective.

rabid
12-05-2012, 01:14 AM
Question one: does the league have veto power over team names?

Question two: should there be a rule about markets getting to keep team naming rights if a team moves that had a locally-themed name?

All pro sports seem to have this problem and it always ends up weird:

- Tennessee Oilers (fo a couple years anyway)
- Utah Jazz (we're used it to it now but it's still a very odd name for that team)
- LA Lakers
etc

PR07
12-05-2012, 01:19 AM
Yeah, Pelicans isn't the worst name in the world, but it's just kind of generic. I feel like Crawdads, Voodoo, Cajuns would've all been better options.

avoidingtheclowns
12-05-2012, 01:38 AM
Gators? Brass? Rebels? Cajuns? Generals?

Snakefaces?

http://www.patrickkrebs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/BillHaderAsJamesCarville.jpg

oz_pacer
12-05-2012, 02:10 AM
The thing about a pelican is its beak can hold more than its belly can

rexnom
12-05-2012, 02:35 AM
I started reading this thread against it but I'm totally in favor now. Just a great name from a comedy perspective alone. Pelicans are ridiculous birds.

Sandman21
12-05-2012, 02:36 AM
My only thought is why couldn't have they announced this before they came to Indiana? Area 55 and G2 woulda had a field day!

Kstat
12-05-2012, 02:46 AM
I take it none of you watched college football in the 80's..... Pelicans are hardcore. I think of a pelicans I think of Benny blades separating some poor wr's head from his torso.

AesopRockOn
12-05-2012, 02:54 AM
Will the New Orleans Truehoop network blog change its name to the Denzel Washington/Julia Roberts-themed "Pelican Brief"?

Roaming Gnome
12-05-2012, 06:20 AM
Question one: does the league have veto power over team names?



Yes, thank goodness. Remember when the Grizzlies moved to Memphis? They were going to be renamed "Express" in homage to the city's connection to Federal Express, however the league sighted a by-law that prevents teams from taking a nickname that ties in with a corporate sponsor.

McKeyFan
12-05-2012, 08:55 AM
A pelican isn't quite a stork but almost. The "stork brings the baby" fable derives from the beak resembling a phallus--in other words an indirect way to explain to a child where babies come from.

So . . . the pelican choice may have a phallus thing going for it. And if you don't think that gets taken into account, check out your largest area sporting goods store.

Also, we were watching a heat game a couple years ago, their logo came up, and my wife said, "It's a scrotum!" Sure enough, look at the Heat logo. Now I often refer to them condescendingly as the Miami scrotums.

McKeyFan
12-05-2012, 08:56 AM
Yes, thank goodness. Remember when the Grizzlies moved to Memphis? They were going to be renamed "Express" in homage to the city's connection to Federal Express, however the league sighted a by-law that prevents teams from taking a nickname that ties in with a corporate sponsor.
That's too bad. There are no grizzlies anywhere near Memphis, and "Memphis Express" is an awesome name.

glazedham42
12-05-2012, 09:24 AM
The hornets court is not as nice looking as I remember. I guess absence makes the heart grow fonder. In other news, is that a Matt Geiger sighting in the picture below? I believe it is....

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/LzLl2zCA4ho/0.jpg

Rogco
12-05-2012, 09:45 AM
I give it a three game losing streak before it's changed to the pelican'ts

BRushWithDeath
12-05-2012, 09:54 AM
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSeKhfAwfRrxEtsJ4xaOSkUt_nu1dieS sE89H2VGirDZNoDLjIVoQ

The Pelicans is a hell of lot better than the Thunder, Magic, basically every WNBA name, etc.

I had to Google this but... Dream? Sky? Sun? Fever? Liberty? Sparks? Mercury? Silver Stars? Storm? Shock? My God those are even worse than the league's product. The Lynx and the Mystics are the only teams in the league whose nickname isn't horrible.

Steagles
12-05-2012, 09:54 AM
Yes, thank goodness. Remember when the Grizzlies moved to Memphis? They were going to be renamed "Express" in homage to the city's connection to Federal Express, however the league sighted a by-law that prevents teams from taking a nickname that ties in with a corporate sponsor.

But can they veto names that don't violate the no corporate rules?



Better than the Bobcats, and it has greater meaning to the state than just a random animal. I do think Brass would have been a much better name though. I just hate when teams pick names that have no meaning at all to the city or state they are in.

Hopefully Charlotte can take the name Hornets back, and the colors.
If I remember right, the Bobcats was the name chosen because the original owner (Bob or Robert something or other) was an egotistical prick.

Eleazar
12-05-2012, 10:04 AM
If I remember right, the Bobcats was the name chosen because the original owner (Bob or Robert something or other) was an egotistical prick.

I thought that was always more of a rumor or jab at the owner more than an actual fact.

Pacer Fan
12-05-2012, 10:23 AM
Pacers is the best name in the league. It is the most meaningful name to the game of basketball. A Pacer is a member of the franchise that is setting the pace of the league. A Pacer is a player that is setting the pace of the game. For over 35 years I have always used their name in context of their play.

Pacer Fan
12-05-2012, 10:26 AM
Not trying to discriminate, but Pelicans should be a WNBA name...just sayin!

The Sleeze
12-05-2012, 10:45 AM
Cue the new intro video with an underwater view of a fish swimming...on the side of the fish is the opponent that night(obviously)....then out of nowhere a pelican comes crashing through the water and scoops up the fish and rests on a perch...they zoom in on the pelicans eye and some rock music starts...."On your feet Pelicans fans..."

I'm pretty sure it will be even more retarded in person than how I am picturing it.

Steagles
12-05-2012, 10:48 AM
I thought that was always more of a rumor or jab at the owner more than an actual fact.

Somewhere, I heard that it was true. I can't remember where or how reliable it was, but I'm not sure anyone but Bob Johnson knows for sure.

Tom White
12-05-2012, 10:54 AM
Heres a picture of the old New Orleans Pelicans minor league baseball team. Even uses Blue, Red, Gold. Maybe where they got the idea?

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/attachments/ootp-mods-logos-graphics-html/226110d1313782154-new-logo-set-new-orleans-pelicans-alternate2.png


They could just replace the baseball bat with a uni brow

Why do I think of the old Heckel & Jeckel cartoons when I see that?

Tom White
12-05-2012, 10:57 AM
What is a pacer, exactly?

A horse. Has to do with horse racing. Look up an Indiana racing horse named Dan Patch. He never lost a race.

Tom White
12-05-2012, 10:59 AM
The Cajuns would have been good, or if they insist on an animal, the Crawdads...

One thing is true
about the pelican.
Its beak can hold more
than its belly can.

Is that similar to "biting off more than you can chew"?

Deadshot
12-05-2012, 11:06 AM
Hmm, interesting stuff. Here's what the official site has to say:


The Naming of the Pacers
When professional basketball came to Indianapolis in 1967, one of the key decisions would be what to call the new American Basketball Association franchise.

According to Indianapolis attorney, Richard D. Tinkham, the nickname “Pacers” was decided on through a collective decision of the original investors. Tinkham, one of those investors, recalled that the nickname was a combination of the state’s rich history with the harness racing pacers (investor Chuck Barnes was a horse racing enthusiast) and the pace car used for the running of the Indianapolis 500.

Tinkham said the “Pacers” decision was an easy one, but the real debate was whether the team should be called the Indiana Pacers or the Indianapolis Pacers. Since one of the original ideas for the team was to have it playing throughout the state with its base in Indianapolis, the official team name became the Indiana Pacers.

http://www.nba.com/pacers/history/pacers_name_history.html

Major Cold
12-05-2012, 11:10 AM
"Pelicans...in the lottery again"


This is the worst name in all professional sports. I will laugh at them when they are announced at BLF.

hackashaq
12-05-2012, 11:20 AM
It's not that bad. New Orleans Pelicans. It rolls off the tongue well. It's unusual and there's a local connection, not the typical 1-2 syllables, i like it much better than "Thunder" and such.

Hicks
12-05-2012, 11:23 AM
Given that the Pacers are essentially referring to race horses, as Gnome and I have discussed before, if they ever decide to re-brand the team and get away from the famous Pacer "P", the obvious choice would be a new logo incorporating a race horse in some fashion. It could be done well, or it could be lousy depending on what they come up with, but it's a viable alternative if they ever decide to really change our brand one day.

MyFavMartin
12-05-2012, 11:25 AM
Cue the new intro video with an underwater view of a fish swimming...on the side of the fish is the opponent that night(obviously)....then out of nowhere a pelican comes crashing through the water and scoops up the fish and rests on a perch...they zoom in on the pelicans eye and some rock music starts...."On your feet Pelicans fans..."

I'm pretty sure it will be even more retarded in person than how I am picturing it.

Because nothing screams basketball like:

645

644

:picardriker:

THEY SHOULD CALL THEMSELVES THE NEW ORLEANS NIMRODS.

MyFavMartin
12-05-2012, 11:28 AM
Given that the Pacers are essentially referring to race horses, as Gnome and I have discussed before, if they ever decide to re-brand the team and get away from the famous Pacer "P", the obvious choice would be a new logo incorporating a race horse in some fashion. It could be done well, or it could be lousy depending on what they come up with, but it's a viable alternative if they ever decide to really change our brand one day.

I'd rather see an Indy racecar used. Yes, it was originally for harness racing, but who associates Indiana with harness racing? Though the connection to horses might be a good connection to the Colts, I'm not sure I'd want that kind of overlap.

HC
12-05-2012, 12:14 PM
Just feed them alka seltzer and they will go away....or maybe that was for sea gulls?

BillS
12-05-2012, 12:19 PM
I had to Google this but... Dream? Sky? Sun? Fever? Liberty? Sparks? Mercury? Silver Stars? Storm? Shock? My God those are even worse than the league's product. The Lynx and the Mystics are the only teams in the league whose nickname isn't a horible.

What is wrong with Storm or Shock? And why are those somehow "worse" than Mystic?

Not sure what the supposed consensus criteria are for team nicknames - I mean, an animal should be somewhat feisty, but other than that what should be considered so bad about the Fever or the Liberty?

After all, I suppose none of them evoke the fear and awe of a Lake or a Nugget.

Roaming Gnome
12-05-2012, 12:22 PM
Back to Bob Johnson and the name Bobcats. It was during the press conference when the name was introduced, Johnson mentioned he liked Bobcats because he felt like he was putting his name behind the success or failures of the team. Later in the press conference I remember him saying something to the effect of everyone knowing who the buck stops with in regards to the Bobcats.

So yes, that was a product of Bob Johnson's ego!

naptownmenace
12-05-2012, 12:32 PM
you thought Gordon wanted out before? think the guy wants to be a Pelican!?

Anthony Davis should be okay with it. Some once said he already looks like a real-life Angry Bird.

http://krepsinioblogas.lt/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/anthony-davis-angry-bird.jpg

Mackey_Rose
12-05-2012, 12:34 PM
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSeKhfAwfRrxEtsJ4xaOSkUt_nu1dieS sE89H2VGirDZNoDLjIVoQ


That's actually a pretty great logo. Is this official?

MnvrChvy
12-05-2012, 12:43 PM
Brass. The New Orleans Brass. Is that not a clear winner?

Roaming Gnome
12-05-2012, 12:47 PM
Will Michael Jordan pickup the name Hornets for the Charlotte franchise? I could only hope so.

MnvrChvy
12-05-2012, 12:47 PM
After all, I suppose none of them evoke the fear and awe of a Lake or a Nugget.

Or the flippin' Knickerbockers!


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avoidingtheclowns
12-05-2012, 12:48 PM
Name That Team
Have the sports leagues run out of mascots?

By Sam Eifling|Posted Wednesday, Feb. 19, 2003


The new NBA franchise in Charlotte needs a mascot, and the city fathers have uncapped the suggestion box for the public. One of the informal guidelines is no insect names—the city had its heart broken by its last team, the sharply named Hornets, who blew town to play in New Orleans. So, what creature has emerged as the early front-runner? Some heretofore unused beast? Nope. The people have spoken, and they're clamoring for the Charlotte Cougars, the lamest idea they could have possibly come up with.

No, really. Cougars steadfastly conforms to every tried-and-staid rule for how to name your sports franchise. For one thing, the leagues long ago reached the saturation point for large felines. Major League Baseball puts up the Tigers, the NHL sports Panthers and Predators (tigers of the saber-toothed variety). The NFL fields Lions, Jaguars, Bengals (barely), and the Carolina Panthers, who play home games a wind-aided punt from the site of Charlotte's planned basketball arena. Twenty-five years ago, North Carolina supported an ABA team named the Cougars, and there's already a Women's Football League team in Greensboro that shares the same nickname.

More disheartening, though, is the mascot cul-de-sac that "Cougars" would signify. Two of the last four NFL expansion teams were cats, and another was the "Texans," hardly a revelation. The NBA's latest growth spurts brought the laudable Raptors and Timberwolves but also uninspiring singular nouns like Heat and Magic. Major League Soccer (10 teams, no animals) is big on these kinds of mascots, too, offering up the United, Burn, and Galaxy. The neophyte WNBA sports the Sun, Sting, Lynx, Mercury, Liberty, Storm, Shock, Fever, Fire, and Sol.

A proper mascot shouldn't be singular or adjectival (can United players exist separately?). Animals are usually a safer bet, but really, Cougars? Can't we as a civilization uncover mascots with more panache than another round of conspicuously plush animals?

Actually, we can. The Charlotte Regional Sports Commission has received more than 750 different name submissions thus far, mostly at its Web site (http://www.charlottesports.org/). It has been passing along the realistic candidates to the team ownership, which is headed by Black Entertainment Television founder Robert Johnson. "Cougars" has lots of support, but some of the less obvious offerings are sheer delight. Sarcastically, perhaps, "Charlottans" has been proposed. E.B. White might have been flattered with "Spiders." Charlotte's per capita donation to its arts council is the highest in the nation, so there were artsy suggestions—"Sculptors," for example.

The city also boasts the country's richest banking center outside of New York City, so someone chipped in "Bankers"—and, hey, why not? Just as the Hornets' home court was known as the Hive, the Bankers could play in the Vault, and arena sponsorship would be a shoo-in. Bankers is a copy editor's dream—abundant financial puns, on down to the bank shot. There's also the ironic acknowledgement that the NBA isn't a league of fearsome predators so much as it is a league of somnambulant millionaires pushing the ball up the court like a loan application across a desk.

Regional animals are overrated, anyway. Just look at the latest baseball expansion teams. What kind of personality can you possibly ascribe to a Devil Ray? Would fewer than 95 percent of Diamondbacks fans run like hell if they encountered the real thing? "Hornets" worked because it was more legend than local fauna. When Charles Cornwallis led troops through downtown Charlotte in 1780, his boys were peppered with shots from militiamen hiding behind trees and bushes. He kvetched later that it was like walking into a nest of hornets. Charlotte residents still revel in the association—though it should be noted that their first choice for that team was the singular and nauseatingly generic "Spirit." In one of its few laudable acts, team ownership overrode them.

Admittedly, the Hornets fit the city so marvelously, that nothing, not even "Bankers," could live up. But the healing won't begin by snaring yet another feline into mascot captivity, stuffed toy sales be damned. The Charlotte bosses still have time (the NBA wants a proposal by early April) and plenty of options. If all else fails, they could always just roll out "Wildcats."


(Slate (http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2003/02/name_that_team.html))

Smits Happens
12-05-2012, 12:48 PM
I actually like it for two reasons:

1) It's unique, and 2) It ends with an "s" (I hate names like Heat, Thunder, Storm, Shock, etc.).

Roaming Gnome
12-05-2012, 12:49 PM
Brass. The New Orleans Brass. Is that not a clear winner?

At the time when the Hornets moved to New Orleans... The New Orleans Brass was the local minor league hockey franchise. I thought they should have just bought the name right then and there, or waited for the franchise to fold/move (which it did in short order).

BRushWithDeath
12-05-2012, 12:52 PM
That's actually a pretty great logo. Is this official?

Just something I saw on the interwebs and thought looked good.

I'm just glad they didn't go with another lame "it's plural, but it's also singular" name that was supposed to be all new and hip. I totally forgot to put the Heat in my earlier post. At least they have the little tail thing on their T which is kind of cool.

Besides, pelicans are ****ing mean.

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PacersHomer
12-05-2012, 12:58 PM
People just don't like it because it's different. When there are posts like "What do pelicans have to do with basketball" it makes it really obvious. I hate singular names so I always disliked Krewe and Brass, but Brass would be the worst. When they are on a losing streak, what will they be called?

Sollozzo
12-05-2012, 01:01 PM
Since we're talking about the Hornets name going back to Charlotte, maybe some old-timers can answer this question: Why did the Charlotte Hornets trade Alonzo Mourning? I've never understood the trading of a young All-Star center who immediately made them a playoff team.

Roaming Gnome
12-05-2012, 01:02 PM
People just don't like it because it's different. When there are posts like "What do pelicans have to do with basketball" it makes it really obvious. I hate singular names so I always disliked Krewe and Brass, but Brass would be the worst. When they are on a losing streak, what will they be called?

I was thinking about the tie in with the city being for Brass as the nickname. Never did think about the <s>Br</s>*ss Factor of a losing team!

Roaming Gnome
12-05-2012, 01:16 PM
Since we're talking about the Hornets name going back to Charlotte, maybe some old-timers can answer this question: Why did the Charlotte Hornets trade Alonzo Mourning? I've never understood the trading of a young All-Star center who immediately made them a playoff team.

I don't know if this is the case for him being traded, but I do remember Alonzo's attitude wasn't the greatest and he had a propensity of getting into on court altercations. He mellowed substantially when he went to the Heat!

Sollozzo
12-05-2012, 01:20 PM
He mellowed substantially when he went to the Heat!


I guess moving to Miami as a young millionaire can have that effect.....

Sandman21
12-05-2012, 01:32 PM
Since we're talking about the Hornets name going back to Charlotte, maybe some old-timers can answer this question: Why did the Charlotte Hornets trade Alonzo Mourning? I've never understood the trading of a young All-Star center who immediately made them a playoff team.

If Wikipedia is to be believed, it was contract issues and not getting along with Grandmama.

Rogco
12-05-2012, 02:08 PM
For the scientific (and sophomoric), the scientific name is Pelecanus.

I'm pretty sure Area 55 can come up with some good chants based around pelecanus.

McKeyFan
12-05-2012, 05:30 PM
I always got a chuckle out of the "Utah Jazz."

They went from the multi-colored melting pot of New Orleans to Salt-white religious people laying out a complex jazz rhythm. Right.

HickeyS2000
12-05-2012, 06:48 PM
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/LzLl2zCA4ho/0.jpg

This totally brought back memories of Hugo the Hornet doing the Bug on the Windshield dunk during an all-star game. Man he was the best. Whatever happened to the mascot dunk contest? I'd rather watch that than some of the last few dunk contests (anything beyond VC really).

d_c
12-06-2012, 03:34 AM
But I love the idea of bringing the Jazz name back to NO. However, the team has so much history in Utah it would be hard to change it now (even though Jazz has nothing to do with the area).


It's been mentioned quite often by fans ever since the NBA moved back to New Orleans. Their ownership has already asked Utah if they'd consider selling back the Jazz name to New Orleans and (the late) Larry Miller said no way.

And Utah Jazz might sound strange in a cultural context, but it's what they've been known as for pretty much an entire generation now. They would be very dumb from a marketing standpoint to give that up at this point (unless they get paid a truly massive sum to do so). It wouldn't be wise on their part just to make things sound right for someone else when it's going to come at their own expense. It sounds strange to some for obvious reasons, but younger fans of the current generation have grown up associating the Jazz, Stockton, Malone to be with Utah. It'd essentially be marketing suicide to make up some new hokey nickname at this point unless they have something totally shrewd.

Heisenberg
12-06-2012, 04:31 AM
Pelicans has started to grow on me, somewhat. New Orleans is a fun goofy city, Pelicans is a fun goofy name. Their marketing team better do something during Mardi Gras with the word Cans though. Until Stern fines the hell outta em anyway.

hackashaq
12-06-2012, 08:29 AM
Pelicans has started to grow on me, somewhat. New Orleans is a fun goofy city, Pelicans is a fun goofy name. Their marketing team better do something during Mardi Gras with the word Cans though. Until Stern fines the hell outta em anyway.

Yep, it's the kind of fun quirky name that you can use to attract families in a football dominant city.
There are cooler options, like "Krewe" maybe, but "Pelicans" provides some fun family-focused opportunities for logo, marketing, all that stuff.

Phree Refill
12-06-2012, 08:34 AM
It's been mentioned quite often by fans ever since the NBA moved back to New Orleans. Their ownership has already asked Utah if they'd consider selling back the Jazz name to New Orleans and (the late) Larry Miller said no way.

And Utah Jazz might sound strange in a cultural context, but it's what they've been known as for pretty much an entire generation now. They would be very dumb from a marketing standpoint to give that up at this point (unless they get paid a truly massive sum to do so). It wouldn't be wise on their part just to make things sound right for someone else when it's going to come at their own expense. It sounds strange to some for obvious reasons, but younger fans of the current generation have grown up associating the Jazz, Stockton, Malone to be with Utah. It'd essentially be marketing suicide to make up some new hokey nickname at this point unless they have something totally shrewd.


Or if the team goes through a sustained period of sucking. Like if they turn into the Wizards for 10 straight seasons. Also, with the last remains of the Stockton Malone era gone (Sloan), that probably would have been about as good a time as any to re-brand. Now that they've already decided to change to Pelicans I doubt they would be allowed to change the team name again for at least a 7-8 years even if "Jazz" did become available.

Coopdog23
12-06-2012, 09:11 AM
Wonder if they'll have a real pelican for their mascot

aceace
12-06-2012, 10:28 AM
Utah needs a new name. Give New Orleans back the Jazz. Give Charlotte back the Hornets. A new name for Utah would be..... Utah - .......

Kid Minneapolis
12-06-2012, 11:11 AM
I'm sorry... I know some of you approve of the name, but I'm going back to my original post on this which was --- "The PELICANS???"

It's a horrible name for an NBA team. Even if it is geographically relevant, that doesn't make it a good name.

The Jazz is what they should be. The Hornets should be in Charlotte. Utah should be..... something. Amazes me that Utah even has an NBA team.

Since86
12-06-2012, 11:28 AM
Amazes me that Utah even has an NBA team.

Why? They've been in the top 10 in attendance since 2000. I would go back and look further, but ESPN's records don't go back any further. We can only dream of that kind of fan support.

EDIT: According to this site, Utah has averaged 19,000+ at home since the 91-92 season. Just scanning the rest of them with my eyes, the Knicks and the Bulls are the only other team that comes close to it. Bulls outright beat it on average, seeing as how they have seasons where they averaged 23,000+. Knicks have two seasons in that span below 19,000. I don't think the Lakers can because Staples doesn't hold that many. (They don't even have one season above 19,000)

The fan support in Utah is really spectacular.

http://www.apbr.org/attendance.html

Kid Minneapolis
12-06-2012, 11:44 AM
Anyway.... my main point was the Jazz name should've stayed in New Orleans. The Pelicans is an awful name.

threein73
12-06-2012, 11:59 AM
Hmm, interesting stuff. Here's what the official site has to say:



http://www.nba.com/pacers/history/pacers_name_history.html


Also, I do remember reading that the original owners indicated another reason they chose the name was because the team would set the "pace" for the league, as another poster mentioned.

riverside
12-06-2012, 05:56 PM
i suspect roger goodell is behind this

MyFavMartin
12-07-2012, 01:41 PM
Still think Swamp Things would be so much better.

647

Owned by DC Comics.

MyFavMartin
12-07-2012, 01:43 PM
Still think Swamp Things would be so much better.

647

Owned by DC Comics.

Makes one wonder if Disney would ever hook up with Orlando's team and use the Marvel icon:

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Naptown_Seth
12-07-2012, 01:50 PM
Kid Minny and I usually agree on a lot of stuff, but I love the name Pelicans. It's a nice change of pace and very regionally appropriate. Of course the irony is that the Hornets mascout was Hugo and was named after the hurricane that hit the Carolinas. So you'd think that they'd go with Hurricanes and keep Hugo upon arriving in NOR.

Then you could drink a hurricane at a Hurricane game while riding out a hurricane...named Hugo. Some things just make too much sense I guess.

cdash
12-07-2012, 01:54 PM
The more I hear it, the more I like it. It's awesome. It makes me think about Pelicans more, and as we have already discussed, they are the most absurd of all birds, so natural comedy ensues.

Trader Joe
12-07-2012, 01:57 PM
I gotta agree Cdash and Seth. IMO one of the top 5 names in the NBA right away. I just love it. It's a little absrud, it's regionally appropriate, and the first time they have a good team is just going to be fantastic. I am really rooting for the Cody Zeller and Anthony Davis front court to happen down there, because they are both naturally humorous guys and I can't wait to see what they would do with Pelicans (plus I think they make total sense as an inter changeable front court in the NBA).

1984
12-07-2012, 09:55 PM
Given that the Pacers are essentially referring to race horses, as Gnome and I have discussed before, if they ever decide to re-brand the team and get away from the famous Pacer "P", the obvious choice would be a new logo incorporating a race horse in some fashion. It could be done well, or it could be lousy depending on what they come up with, but it's a viable alternative if they ever decide to really change our brand one day.

The Pacers name is the result of a combination of terms. Pacer refers both to harness racing and the Indianapolis 500. Therefore a horse related logo would not serve as a proper logo. See the release on www.pacers.com: (http://www.pacers.com:) http://www.nba.com/pacers/history/pacers_name_history.html or read it in the quoted text:


The Naming of the Pacers

When professional basketball came to Indianapolis in 1967, one of the key decisions would be what to call the new American Basketball Association franchise.According to Indianapolis attorney, Richard D. Tinkham, the nickname “Pacers” was decided on through a collective decision of the original investors. Tinkham, one of those investors, recalled that the nickname was a combination of the state’s rich history with the harness racing pacers (investor Chuck Barnes was a horse racing enthusiast) and the pace car used for the running of the Indianapolis 500. Tinkham said the “Pacers” decision was an easy one, but the real debate was whether the team should be called the Indiana Pacers or the Indianapolis Pacers. Since one of the original ideas for the team was to have it playing throughout the state with its base in Indianapolis, the official team name became the Indiana Pacers.

Hicks
12-08-2012, 10:27 AM
I realize it refers to both. Obviously this would be picking and choosing, which they are free to do and would be a legitimate decision if/when.

Isaac
12-09-2012, 04:01 AM
The Pelicans is an awful name.

http://static.flickr.com/2200/2051757816_ccf4e5a959.jpg

ColorWerx
12-10-2012, 09:03 AM
Pacers aren't gold either, they're yellow too. You don't get to change the name of colors just because it sounds better, I don't care what anyone says.

By that logic, the Lakers, Green Bay Packers, Pittsburgh Steelers, Washington Redskins, et al are also Yellow.

I harp on this subject all the time on the sportslogos.net board, but color descriptions are meaningless. One person's Yellow, is another person's Gold...it's all marketing in the end.

Heisenberg
12-10-2012, 09:53 AM
yes, all those teams are yellow

Eleazar
12-10-2012, 10:09 AM
By that logic, the Lakers, Green Bay Packers, Pittsburgh Steelers, Washington Redskins, et al are also Yellow.

This is the first time I have heard of any of those teams claiming their yellow is gold.

Trader Joe
12-10-2012, 02:30 PM
Redskins definitely use gold in their color description. The other 3 are all definitely yellow.

Kid Minneapolis
12-10-2012, 02:58 PM
Lol, I understand that people are attracted to the absurdity of the name... of course it's endearing. But it's still absurd, lol.... if absurdity is the objective. Hell, I'd like the New Orleans Probiscus Monkeys or the New Orleans Longnosed Bandicoots, or the New Orleans Fighting Platypuses. There, those are absurd, and endearing and automatically Top 5, :D.

I actually like Seth's idea for the Hurricanes... that's pretty damn awesome and relevant.

Trader Joe
12-10-2012, 03:04 PM
There is an NHL franchise with the name Hurricanes, I am sure there could be some issues there.

It's not just about the absurdity, it is locally relevant, and Pelicans are pretty much apex predators, it's not a whole lot different than calling yourselves the sharks. If you think they are only goofy you've probably watched too much Finding Nemo.

Kid Minneapolis
12-10-2012, 03:07 PM
Yea, I hear pelican-related human deaths are on the rise.

Kid Minneapolis
12-10-2012, 03:09 PM
Pelicans as a species aren't even geographically unique to n'awlins, they are widespread throughout the world, so why they landed on Pelicans as something that somewhat uniquely separates that city is a lil beyond me.

You know, I think absurd is a pretty apt label for the entire thing. It's just absurd.

Trader Joe
12-10-2012, 03:15 PM
Yea, I hear pelican-related human deaths are on the rise.

Yeah, a whopping one dude has been killed by sharks this year so that seems pretty irrelevant to me. Just like sharks, pelicans are the apex predators of their food chain for the most part. It's really no sillier than having any other animal related mascot name. Maybe your issue is just with American team naming conventions as a whole.

Since86
12-10-2012, 03:19 PM
Redskins definitely use gold in their color description. The other 3 are all definitely yellow.

Lakers have had "gold" in their description going back to their days in MN. They're referred to as "the purple and gold" Pittsburgh actually uses gold to intentify the colors too. So does GB.

I think the confusion actually makes his point.

Eleazar
12-10-2012, 03:23 PM
Pelicans as a species aren't even geographically unique to n'awlins, they are widespread throughout the world, so why they landed on Pelicans as something that somewhat uniquely separates that city is a lil beyond me.



Louisiana is the Pelican State. The brown pelican is the state bird and appears on the state flag and seal, and official state painting.

I think this is the answer you are looking for. It was in the first post of this thread, if you bothered to read it. Pelicans might not be unique to that region, but the obviously connect with it for some reason. If being unique to a region had anything to do with the name then there would be no teams with animal names as very few animals have such a small range to be unique to a single state, let alone city.

Kid Minneapolis
12-10-2012, 03:28 PM
Lol... These Pelicans have some ardent defenders! I'm not taking this near as seriously as you guys are, evidently.

Trader Joe
12-10-2012, 03:38 PM
Lol... These Pelicans have some ardent defenders! I'm not taking this near as seriously as you guys are, evidently.

Why do you keep posting in here then?

Coopdog23
12-10-2012, 03:38 PM
Is this franchise going to be partially owned by BP?

Eleazar
12-10-2012, 03:45 PM
Lol... These Pelicans have some ardent defenders! I'm not taking this near as seriously as you guys are, evidently.

Hardly, I just saw there was a new post. When I read it it asked a question that was already answered, so I answered the question for you. Just trying to spread knowledge around. More people who are knowledgeable the less people make a fool of themselves or lead the ignorant down the wrong path.

Kid Minneapolis
12-10-2012, 06:50 PM
Why do you keep posting in here then?

Because I'm entitled to post in here. I think it's a pretty funny topic, we're about to introduce a team named the Pelicans to the NBA and I seem to be the only one that thinks it's silly as hell. I'm not getting all up in arms about it, lol.

Not the first time a team was introduced as a goofy bird, after all we were graced with the Mighty Ducks, thanks Walt Disney.

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TinManJoshua
12-10-2012, 06:53 PM
Redskins definitely use gold in their color description. The other 3 are all definitely yellow.

Nah, it's black and gold. My brother-in-law is a yinzer, and his whole family is very adamant about the Stillers being black & gold.

Hicks
12-10-2012, 07:56 PM
Anyone can call yellow "gold" all the want, but it's still actually yellow.

ColorWerx
12-10-2012, 08:06 PM
Merchandisers tend to call it "Athletic Gold". But yeah, it's pretty much just Yellow.

Not self-promote (but I will anyway) - I've been researching this stuff for years and years:

http://www.colorwerx.us
http://colorwerx.blogspot.com