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avoidingtheclowns
12-04-2012, 07:01 PM
WHERE'S THE BEEF?



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Game Time Start: 8:00 PM EST
Where: United Center, Chicago, IL
Officials: B. Salvatore, T. Brown, M. Lindsay

Media Notes: Indiana Notes (http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/notes.pdf), Chicago Notes (http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/notes.pdf)
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Season Records: (W-L)




:xpacers:

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http://i49.tinypic.com/e1589d.png<center>Away: 4-7
East: 3-5</center>



:bulls:

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http://i49.tinypic.com/e1589d.png<center>Home: 5-4
East: 4-2</center>

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http://www.nba.com/tvc/image/assets/wordmarks/IND_wordmark.png Projected Starting Lineup:



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<center>HIBBERT</center>
<center>WEST</center>
<center>GEORGE</center>
<center>STEPHENSON</center>
<center>HILL</center>



http://www.nba.com/tvc/image/assets/wordmarks/CHI_wordmark.png Projected Starting Lineup:



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<center>NOAH</center>
<center>BOOZER</center>
<center>DENG</center>
<center>BELINELLI</center>
<center>HINRICH</center>

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PACERS
Danny Granger - left knee tendinosis (out)
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BULLS
Richard Hamilton - torn plantar fascia in left foot (day-to-day)
Derrick Rose - left knee (out)



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SB Nation Chicago:




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Ricky O'Donnell: Kirk Hinrich - One of the worst players in the NBA

The Chicago Bulls' problems are bigger than Kirk Hinrich, but no one player personifies
them more succinctly. SB Nation Chicago's Ricky O'Donnell looks at what went wrong for
the Bulls' prized free agent signing.

How's this for a kick in the stomach: when Gar Forman and John Paxson decided to make
signing Kirk Hinrich the Chicago Bulls' top offseason priority this summer, they were
thinking about you. I swear it's true. The decision to bring back Hinrich was, in the most
mangled sense of the term, good publicity for a franchise in desperate need of some. In
the warped minds of the people who call the shots for Chicago's pro basketball team,
signing Hinrich amounted to throwing the fans a bone. I know.

There's no denying the fact that Hinrich is the type of player fans like, and the Bulls have
great fans. The Bulls have sold out nearly every home game for over two decades, and
the people who buy those seats are the type of customers who can appreciate the less
tangible aspects of Hinrich's game: grit, toughness, ability to persevere through obvious
physical shortcomings. All of those things sell to the public. In this sense, signing Hinrich
was almost a slam dunk. He was familiar, likable and safe. He would work hard, stay out
of trouble off the court and toe the company line through and through. Did you hear he
kept a house in area the last two years while battling injuries and fumbling his way
\through underwhelming campaigns in Washington and Atlanta? It's true! There's a lot to
like about Kirk Hinrich, I suppose, save for his ability to play basketball. Kirk Hinrich is
terrible at playing basketball.

There's a reason Forman and Paxson have their job, and they've largely done well in
turning the Bulls into something of an agile beast the last two seasons. Give them credit
for choosing Derrick Rose over Michael Beasley, give them credit for hiring Tom
Thibodeau, give them credit for drafting Taj Gibson and Joakim Noah. But when it comes
to roster construction and team makeup, the decision makers are supposed to be smarter
than the people who buy the tickets. There was almost no analytical way to argue
procuring Hinrich to a two-year, $8 million contract, and saddling the team with a hard
cap for the rest of the season, was a smart move. Through 14 games this season, Hinrich
has already proven that without a doubt.

You could see the headline coming from the moment Hinrich's signing was announced. I
laughed audibly the first time I read it:

Kirk Hinrich evaluated by more than numbers

Well, that's good. Because Hinrich's numbers are atrocious.

Hinrich has an offensive rating this season of 92. For players that have started at least
12 games this season, only four players are worse. You don't even need to dabble in
advanced metrics to tell Hinrich doesn't have it anymore, the numbers on the back of a
basketball card do the job fine enough. Take a look at those numbers:

Points per game: 6.2
Field goal percentage: 32%
Free throw percentage: 62%
Three point percentage: 29%

Kirk Hinrich's PER this season is 9.03. Here's how that stacks up on John Hollinger's
scale, via Wikipedia: just above "Definitely renting" (9.0), with "Next Stop: D-League"
(5.0) as the lowest hurdle to clear. Hinrich isn't going to the D-League, you can bet on
that. He'll be bricking jumpers with the Bulls all season long.

This isn't hate-fueled, as I'm sure Hinrich is a nice enough guy. It's just: what does he
do well on a basketball court...CONTINUE READING AT SB NATION CHICAGO (http://chicago.sbnation.com/chicago-bulls/2012/12/4/3726884/chicago-bulls-kirk-hinrich-stats-contract-rose)


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Ball Don’t Lie Preview:




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Kelly Dwyer: Derrick Rose, according to one source, could be a few weeks away
from practicing. This might not be great news for Bulls fans

You can see this grain of salt from miles away. From wherever you pick up the Damen
bus, number 50, in order to shuffle your way to the United Center. Some lone "NBA
source" — a single person — is speculating (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/bulls/16792256-419/source-bulls-star-derrick-rose-just-weeks-from-practicing.html) that some members of the Chicago Bulls
think star guard Derrick Rose "could" be a few weeks away from practicing. Which
would then push Rose's return to live action closer to late-December, ticking closer to
the "eight" in the "eight to 12 months" diagnosis he was given after tearing his left ACL
in a playoff game on A.

Someone's playing doctor, and the Chicago Sun-Times' Joe Cowley is reporting it (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/bulls/16792256-419/source-bulls-star-derrick-rose-just-weeks-from-practicing.html). And
because we've just as much insight as we guess from afar — like the source, like
Cowley, like the players who might be watching Derrick cut and spin in individual drills
every day but have no idea as to Rose's eventual return — we're going to play doctor
as well.

And point out that the sooner the Chicago Bulls push Derrick Rose into the lineup, the
more worried you should be. Because the team doesn't have the greatest history of
acting like the grown-ups in this situation.

First, Cowley's report (http://http//www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/bulls/16792256-419/source-bulls-star-derrick-rose-just-weeks-from-practicing.html), which starts with the discussion that Derrick "could be just weeks
away from practicing" with the team:


''That's the belief that a couple of [the Bulls'] players are under,'' the
source said.

Rose has been expected to be able to play in games by February, but
that has been inferred more than actually stated. Even if the Bulls
receive the ultimate Christmas present of getting him back on the
practice court just before Dec. 25, it doesn't mean he's necessarily
ahead of that February schedule — or behind it.

Asked Monday if there was a specific timetable for Rose to start
practicing, general manager Gar Forman answered in a text message:
''We're still taking the process step by step, and a date hasn't been set.''

If that sounds tactful, coming from Chicago's GM, it's because he is on point with his
on record patience. And while it's a jerk move for us to expect Forman and his
franchise to do the inappropriate thing and let Rose play as soon as Derrick feels as
if he's ready, it's worth pointing out that Chicago's history with these sorts of things
isn't as tactful as Forman's comments appear above.

No NBA team comes close to working its players through injury or fatigue like these
Bulls. Former center Omer Asik limped around the court in a playoff series against
Miami in 2011 with what wasn't initially diagnosed as a fractured fibula — the same
malady that could keep Steve Nash off the court until January — but was later
revealed to be a FRIGGING FRACTURED LEG-BONE once Chicago's season ended.
Luol Deng was fielded in much the same way a few years back, as the Bulls hemmed
and hawed over his willingness to play through injury during the 2009-10 season.

Deng, it turns out...CONTINUE READING AT BALL DON'T LIE (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/derrick-rose-according-one-source-could-few-weeks-181732222--nba.html)

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ShamSports:




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Mark Deeks: Nazr Mohammed and Trade Kickers

Even though he signed a one year minimum salary contract using the Minimum Salary
Exception, Nazr Mohammed has a 15% trade kicker in his current contract.

Trade kickers in contracts are somewhat rare. They are particularly rare in small
contracts, as becomes obvious upon a study of the current trade kickers in the league
today:


Ray Allen - 15% - $3,090,000
Andrea Bargnani - 5% - $10,000,000
Nic Batum - 15% - $10,825,000
Chris Bosh - 15% - $17,545,000
Jose Calderon - 10% - $10,561,982
Vince Carter - 10% - $3,090,000
Tyson Chandler - lesser of 8% or $500,000
Pau Gasol - 15% - $19,000,000
Manu Ginobili - 5% - $14,107,492
Eric Gordon - 15% - $13,668,750
Blake Griffin - 15% - trade kicker in extension, begins next year
Udonis Haslem - 15% - $4,060,000
Roy Hibbert - 15% - $13,668,750
LeBron James - 15% - $17,545,000
Amir Johnson - 5% - $6,000,000
DeAndre Jordan - 15% - $10,532,977
Brook Lopez - 15% - $13,668,750
Robin Lopez - 15% - $4,899,293
Shawn Marion - 15% - $8,646,364
O.J. Mayo - 15% - $4,020,000
Mike Miller - 15% - $5,800,000
Nazr Mohammed - 15% - $1,352,181 (cap number of $854,389)
Steve Nash - 15% - $8,900,000
Derrick Rose - 15% - $16,402,500
Josh Smith - 15% - $13,200,000
Jason Terry - 7.5% - $5,000,000
Jason Thompson - 5% - $5,250,000
Anderson Varejao - 5% - $8,368,182
Dwyane Wade - 15% - $17,182,000
Deron Williams - 15% - $17,177,795
Metta World Peace - 15% - $7,258,960

Furthermore, many of those trade kickers are in contracts that are already paying
the maximum salary to the relevant player. As kickers cannot be used to increase a
salary to an amount greater than the max, those kickers are thus pretty much
redundant. [As for why anyone puts them in, then - well, why not? What if the max
gets bigger? Unlikely, but plausible.] Very few trade kickers actually matter, then.
Indeed, of all the contracts in the league today, only three contain already-enacted
trade kickers. Of those three, one was partially waived in order to facilitate the
trade (Hedo Turkoglu), and one was redundant for the aforementioned maximum
contract reasons (Chris Paul). That leaves Luke Walton as the one example of a
current contract that was increased by a trade kicker. In a bloviated way, the point
is hereby made - trade kickers aren't very common.

When they are given out, they are done so as leverage. If a team and a player
cannot meet in the middle on contract negotiations, the inclusion of a trade bonus
serves to bridge the gap; an increase in salary upon being traded gives greater
incentive to accept perceived home town discounts. In Nazr's case, negotiations
probably can't have gone on for too long, as there was surely no dispute as to the
fact that he was a minimum salary contract calibre player.

What Nazr's trade kicker...CONTINUE READING AT SHAMSPORTS (http://blog.shamsports.com/2012/12/nazr-mohammed-and-trade-kickers.html)

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Pacers
Mike Wells @MikeWellsNBA (https://twitter.com/#!/MikeWellsNBA)
Jared Wade @8pts9secs (https://twitter.com/#!/8pts9secs)
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Kelly Dwyer @KDonhoops (https://twitter.com/KDonhoops)
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kent beckley
12-04-2012, 08:03 PM
Nba.com has this on wgn, but it is not on the tv guide. I really thought I would get to see this at home.

kent beckley
12-04-2012, 08:05 PM
Belinelli looks a lot like Boozer.

LucasRL13
12-04-2012, 08:31 PM
Indiana need a great game by Paul tonight

P.S: Hamilton looking like Belinelli xD

Phree Refill
12-04-2012, 08:54 PM
Ben Hansbrough not taking warm ups lightly... Slapped the ball out of PG's hands when PG was doing a turn around post move of him.

LoneGranger33
12-04-2012, 09:00 PM
Ben Hansbrough not taking warm ups lightly... Slapped the ball out of PG's hands when PG was doing a turn around post move of him.

I believe he screamed "weight room!" right after too.

maragin
12-04-2012, 09:01 PM
Life as a West Coast Pacers fan: If I'm going to watch the game, I usually have to wait until long after work and catch the replay later off of League Pass with friends. That means for the next 3-4 hours I'm on no spoiler zone. With 8pts9sec on my FB wall, that means total isolation until later tonight.

Go Pacers, make it worth the wait!

Kemo
12-04-2012, 09:01 PM
lmao .. feels like I am watching a bad chinese kung fu flick

tora tora
12-04-2012, 09:02 PM
Mavis Staples is awesome.

Mr_Smith
12-04-2012, 09:03 PM
Need to be clicking on all cylinders tonight

aamcguy
12-04-2012, 09:06 PM
I don't know what Boomer normally does, but I like how their mascot sits in a chair reading a paper for the opposing team intros lol

vnzla81
12-04-2012, 09:07 PM
The and 1 duo are together again.

Lord Helmet
12-04-2012, 09:09 PM
Be nice to hear Jeff Foster be booed tonight.

Heisenberg
12-04-2012, 09:10 PM
Belinelli will hit at least two complete garbage threes

Heisenberg
12-04-2012, 09:13 PM
that fireworks smoke lingering or did Slick take the short road trip?

LoneGranger33
12-04-2012, 09:14 PM
I hate when offensive players do what George Hill just did, but you can't deny the effectiveness of it.

Pacergeek
12-04-2012, 09:14 PM
Is there a more unlikeable player than Carlos Boozer?

vnzla81
12-04-2012, 09:16 PM
Paul George just got more points than last time.

LoneGranger33
12-04-2012, 09:16 PM
Is there a more unlikeable player than Carlos Boozer?

Joakim and Garnett often rub people the wrong way - and are usually more efficient basketball players too, which helps/hurts.

Pacergeek
12-04-2012, 09:20 PM
Joakim and Garnett often rub people the wrong way - and are usually more efficient basketball players too, which helps/hurts.

see, I don't mind Noah. I like the intensity he brings. I would love him if he were on my team

HickeyS2000
12-04-2012, 09:21 PM
Is there a more unlikeable player than Carlos Boozer?

Dwayne Wade? Can't stand that flopper.

Sparhawk
12-04-2012, 09:21 PM
see, I don't mind Noah. I like the intensity he brings. I would love him if he were on my team

I concur.

Pacergeek
12-04-2012, 09:21 PM
what kind of offense set was that where George Hill dribbled the entire 24 seconds, then bricked his shot?

Heisenberg
12-04-2012, 09:22 PM
Paul George just finished at the rim

Lord Helmet
12-04-2012, 09:23 PM
PAUL GEORGE

:thisisfun:

Eleazar
12-04-2012, 09:23 PM
Paul George just finished at the rim

Twice

Pacergeek
12-04-2012, 09:23 PM
where has this Paul George been all year?

Nuntius
12-04-2012, 09:24 PM
Nice dunk, PG :)

Heisenberg
12-04-2012, 09:24 PM
PG's value will never be higher

vnzla81
12-04-2012, 09:24 PM
Paul George is trying.

Ace E.Anderson
12-04-2012, 09:25 PM
Bout time PG plays like a big boy. Doubt he keeps it up, but it's sure nice to see for once!

vnzla81
12-04-2012, 09:25 PM
That's an ugly shot I tell you.

Trader Joe
12-04-2012, 09:27 PM
Who's the dude in the number 24 jersey?

LucasRL13
12-04-2012, 09:28 PM
Who's the dude in the number 24 jersey?

Same question

Eleazar
12-04-2012, 09:28 PM
I have never understood why injured players don't travel with the team, or go to games.

vnzla81
12-04-2012, 09:29 PM
Tyler loves to play against this guys lol

rock747
12-04-2012, 09:29 PM
Nate Robinson vs DJ Augustin..... uh oh.

LoneGranger33
12-04-2012, 09:29 PM
see, I don't mind Noah. I like the intensity he brings. I would love him if he were on my team

But that's why non-Bulls fan hate him. As a Pacers fan, I love Carlos Boozer because Chicago doesn't.

Nuntius
12-04-2012, 09:31 PM
Thanks for the bailout, Green.

Heisenberg
12-04-2012, 09:31 PM
Mahinmi "made that play" by not catching the pass Quinn

Lord Helmet
12-04-2012, 09:31 PM
Did the Bulls PA guy say 2 minutes, two-ahh?

Doddage
12-04-2012, 09:31 PM
wtf... the Bulls announcer just said "Two minutes, two-aaa"

vnzla81
12-04-2012, 09:31 PM
Two pretty good defensive teams going at each other, lets see who is scores more.

rock747
12-04-2012, 09:32 PM
Hansbrough has been bad lately...

vnzla81
12-04-2012, 09:32 PM
Mahinmi "made that play" by not catching the pass Quinn

I was thinking the same thing :laugh:

Lord Helmet
12-04-2012, 09:32 PM
Bulls radio team probably says Boombaby, too.

MyFavMartin
12-04-2012, 09:33 PM
Anybody know why game is listed too be carried by WGN but isn't on it? Different WGNs?

rock747
12-04-2012, 09:33 PM
Does pippen work for the Bulls in some capacity or does he just go to Bulls games?

Nuntius
12-04-2012, 09:33 PM
I don't really agree with that call on Noah.

LoneGranger33
12-04-2012, 09:33 PM
I have never understood why injured players don't travel with the team, or go to games.

Airplanes aren't the most comfortable places, especially if you're NBA-sized.

rock747
12-04-2012, 09:34 PM
No DJ Augustin... Vogel knows Robinson would abuse him...

Heisenberg
12-04-2012, 09:35 PM
Does pippen work for the Bulls in some capacity or does he just go to Bulls games?

I think he's some kind of "special adviser" or something. Which I think in reality translates to "Scottie's bankrupt, let's throw him a few bucks."

TinManJoshua
12-04-2012, 09:35 PM
Bulls radio team probably says Boombaby, too.

It's cool, we'll just start playing Sirius as our player introductions song.

Eleazar
12-04-2012, 09:36 PM
10 different angles of the same dunk

boombaby1987
12-04-2012, 09:36 PM
Well. I think we have had a lot of calls go our way.

Lord Helmet
12-04-2012, 09:37 PM
Anybody know why game is listed too be carried by WGN but isn't on it? Different WGNs?
I believe they have a local WGN that shows more than the national WGN station.

Usually WGN national station shows Bulls games on Saturday. Then WGN the local one shows games kind of like we used to have games on WB4. Their FSI is Comcast Sports Net or something, too.

boombaby1987
12-04-2012, 09:39 PM
Man they are calling this game way too close. Gonna be horrible to watch if this keeps up.

Eleazar
12-04-2012, 09:40 PM
Tyler will draw fouls



.....or foul them

rock747
12-04-2012, 09:41 PM
What a physical game. Awesome.

Nuntius
12-04-2012, 09:41 PM
This game is scrappy and physical. I love it :D

LoneGranger33
12-04-2012, 09:41 PM
Another fastbreak-erasing technical foul.

Nuntius
12-04-2012, 09:41 PM
Also, nice block, Ian :)

Eleazar
12-04-2012, 09:41 PM
I really wish refs would take more judgement on when to call the tech.

boombaby1987
12-04-2012, 09:41 PM
Hell of a defensive possession there Pacers. :dance:

rock747
12-04-2012, 09:42 PM
The bulls are just fouling on every posession.

Nuntius
12-04-2012, 09:42 PM
PS: Mahinmi seems to have the ability to draw a lot of fouls.

boombaby1987
12-04-2012, 09:43 PM
Another fastbreak-erasing technical foul.

Lets be honest, do we really want Gerald Green running with the ball. Chance of turnover: 98%

LoneGranger33
12-04-2012, 09:43 PM
The Sudanese always play well against us.

Eleazar
12-04-2012, 09:44 PM
How is that a foul, it was a textbook pick.

Heisenberg
12-04-2012, 09:44 PM
this game sucks. it's gonna take 4 freakin hours.

vnzla81
12-04-2012, 09:45 PM
Kobe Green.

vnzla81
12-04-2012, 09:46 PM
Man this game is ugly as s***

pacersgroningen
12-04-2012, 09:47 PM
Green gets the offensive, but how is that not a blocking foul? Butler clear was still sliding to the spot!

ColeTheMole
12-04-2012, 09:47 PM
Ian Mahmni is playing well. He is putting together a nice season as a backup center.

tora tora
12-04-2012, 09:48 PM
So how long are we stuck with Hansbrough?

Heisenberg
12-04-2012, 09:48 PM
16 total made shots. 18 total fouls. NBA, it's FANtastic!

HickeyS2000
12-04-2012, 09:48 PM
It's obvious the refs made it a point before the game to call it tight to keep it from getting rough, but this is horrid.

granger4mvp
12-04-2012, 09:49 PM
How is that a foul, it was a textbook pick.

They got to make up the calls they give us I guess

LoneGranger33
12-04-2012, 09:50 PM
Paul George has the killer instinct tonight.

Pacergeek
12-04-2012, 09:50 PM
Lance Stephenson so far...Zero shots. Free Lance!

Nuntius
12-04-2012, 09:50 PM
I like how PG plays in this game. I didn't really like the shot he took but I'm happy that he is willing to shoot it from the inside.

vnzla81
12-04-2012, 09:50 PM
Why can't Paul George do this every game?

Heisenberg
12-04-2012, 09:50 PM
good thing PG didn't cool off during Frank's clockwork rotations

LoneGranger33
12-04-2012, 09:52 PM
As far as the referees are concerned, Robinson can do no wrong.

rock747
12-04-2012, 09:53 PM
One of those games that has a weird vibe to it

Mr_Smith
12-04-2012, 09:53 PM
Damn I can't stand Nate Robinson

Pacergeek
12-04-2012, 09:53 PM
Didn't the NBA change the flopping rule? I've seen two obvious flops from Chicago.

granger4mvp
12-04-2012, 09:54 PM
Any reason why this refs suck

Magic P
12-04-2012, 09:54 PM
West is sucking so far

Pacergeek
12-04-2012, 09:55 PM
Any reason why this refs suck

several. Most notable is that the NBA is corrupt

McKeyFan
12-04-2012, 09:55 PM
Lance Stephenson so far...Zero shots. Free Lance!

I can live with it at the moment. PG finally taking some high percentage shots . . . and making them.

Eleazar
12-04-2012, 09:56 PM
Why do I not trust Augustin at the line?

Heisenberg
12-04-2012, 09:57 PM
this game is just weird

Mr_Smith
12-04-2012, 09:57 PM
these refs

LoneGranger33
12-04-2012, 09:58 PM
Why do I not trust Augustin at the line?

You can't trust that guy anywhere.

HickeyS2000
12-04-2012, 09:58 PM
The refs are going on more runs than the teams... first a bunch of calls for us, now a bunch for them.

vnzla81
12-04-2012, 09:58 PM
west with his ole D there.....

Pacergeek
12-04-2012, 09:58 PM
these officials have taken us out of the game. Not making excuses, but the corruption is out of hand tonight after the Stephenson phantom travel

Pacergeek
12-04-2012, 10:00 PM
I can live with it at the moment. PG finally taking some high percentage shots . . . and making them.

we are shooting 33 percent, and our best shooter can't get one shot. I'm not at all cool with this

LoneGranger33
12-04-2012, 10:01 PM
A thing of beauty between our best two players.

Pacergeek
12-04-2012, 10:02 PM
with Lance on the court, the Pacers are basically playing 4 on 5. What the hell is Vogel doing?

Heisenberg
12-04-2012, 10:02 PM
with Lance on the court, the Pacers are basically playing 4 on 5. What the hell is Vogel doing?

are you related to Lance?

Mr_Smith
12-04-2012, 10:02 PM
If Roy misses one more close shot or tip, i'm gonna throw this tv out the window. So frustrating

HickeyS2000
12-04-2012, 10:03 PM
Thank God this half is about over.

Pace Maker
12-04-2012, 10:03 PM
this is such terrible basketball haha

boombaby1987
12-04-2012, 10:05 PM
these officials have taken us out of the game. Not making excuses, but the corruption is out of hand tonight after the Stephenson phantom travel

Thats exactly what your doing, make excuses for things that don't exist. We got so many calls initially, lets be honest.

Pacergeek
12-04-2012, 10:06 PM
Great effort by Stephenson there. Hope he is ok

vnzla81
12-04-2012, 10:06 PM
Hibbert still has some games left to show that he is worth the money.

Sparhawk
12-04-2012, 10:07 PM
are you related to Lance?

I agree with him. They don't really utilize Lance's talents. It's basically 4 on 5 on the offensive side of the ball.

DJVendetta
12-04-2012, 10:07 PM
Why does Hibbert seem like he has been rendered useless this game? I've only watched the 2nd quarter, but other than tip in attempts I feel like he hasn't caught the ball anywhere near his normal post position to try and get any offense going. He keeps getting the ball near the 3 point line.....eventually you'd think he would be able to get the ball inside once in a while....

LuckSwagger
12-04-2012, 10:07 PM
Hibbert continues to underwhelm.

Eleazar
12-04-2012, 10:08 PM
Our offense is almost always two, maybe three players doing something while the other two or three stand on the other end of the floor.

Heisenberg
12-04-2012, 10:08 PM
Significant Sanctions for this crapfest

Eleazar
12-04-2012, 10:09 PM
Why does Hibbert seem like he has been rendered useless this game? I've only watched the 2nd quarter, but other than tip in attempts I feel like he hasn't caught the ball anywhere near his normal post position to try and get any offense going. He keeps getting the ball near the 3 point line.....eventually you'd think he would be able to get the ball inside once in a while....

You can blame that on Vogel.

boombaby1987
12-04-2012, 10:09 PM
If Hibbert wants the ball, he has to find away to get in front of the defender. I think that is very clear.

Eleazar
12-04-2012, 10:10 PM
7 o the benches 9 points are from the free throw line.

Nuntius
12-04-2012, 10:10 PM
I agree with him. They don't really utilize Lance's talents. It's basically 4 on 5 on the offensive side of the ball.

I don't think that the Pacers utilize the talents of a lot of their players. They utilize West's talents offensively and Roy's talents defensively but that's pretty much it.

Pacergeek
12-04-2012, 10:10 PM
Why does Hibbert seem like he has been rendered useless this game? I've only watched the 2nd quarter, but other than tip in attempts I feel like he hasn't caught the ball anywhere near his normal post position to try and get any offense going. He keeps getting the ball near the 3 point line.....eventually you'd think he would be able to get the ball inside once in a while....

Coaches have finally realized that Roy is a liability on offense, and are no longer running plays for him. He is earning his money strictly on the defensive end, which I'm fine with

McKeyFan
12-04-2012, 10:10 PM
Our offense is almost always two, maybe three players doing something while the other two or three stand on the other end of the floor.
Agreed. You're not saying that's a good thing?

Heisenberg
12-04-2012, 10:12 PM
I'm bout to become a Pelicans fan

Johanvil
12-04-2012, 10:13 PM
Hibbert continues to underwhelm.

That's a massive understatement.He has been completely useless.He's afraid of his own shadow.It kinda make sense though since he is only 7"2!

Another half where the Pacers have shot great and played some beautiful basketball.Thank you Frank and the players for the constant quality you've been offering this season.

granger4mvp
12-04-2012, 10:13 PM
The refs are going on more runs than the teams... first a bunch of calls for us, now a bunch for them.

Just a thought call the damn game like your supposed to on both sides instead of trying to make up calls that aren't there

beast23
12-04-2012, 10:14 PM
Why does Hibbert seem like he has been rendered useless this game? I've only watched the 2nd quarter, but other than tip in attempts I feel like he hasn't caught the ball anywhere near his normal post position to try and get any offense going. He keeps getting the ball near the 3 point line.....eventually you'd think he would be able to get the ball inside once in a while....
Simple answer. He sucks against the Bulls.

He needs to man up and force some will.

Johanvil
12-04-2012, 10:16 PM
Coaches have finally realized that Roy is a liability on offense, and are no longer running plays for him. He is earning his money strictly on the defensive end, which I'm fine with
My God.14 million for a good defender.Suddenly Kwame Brown's contract last year seems a steal now.

Johanvil
12-04-2012, 10:19 PM
31,6% FG and 20% at 3s.Great shooting continues.

HickeyS2000
12-04-2012, 10:19 PM
Coaches have finally realized that Roy is a liability on offense

If that's what they believe then they need to be fired. Hibbert's hook shot was unstopable last year. Why try to get position when you know you wont get the ball?

greyhound80
12-04-2012, 10:20 PM
Coaches have finally realized that Roy is a liability on offense, and are no longer running plays for him. He is earning his money strictly on the defensive end, which I'm fine with

Yes, you absolutely cannot throw it in to him and watch him "go to work". He should score on reversals, defensive rotations and put backs (which he hardly ever converts)

Eleazar
12-04-2012, 10:22 PM
31,6% FG and 20% at 3s.Great shooting continues.

That is to be expected against the Bulls. We are playing one of the few teams that play defense at the same level as we do, so it isn't like it would be a surprise even if we were a good shooting team.

greyhound80
12-04-2012, 10:24 PM
If that's what they believe then they need to be fired. Hibbert's hook shot was unstopable last year. Why try to get position when you know you wont get the ball?

When he gets pushed out beyond 10 ft. the hook shot is useless and he gets pushed out far too often.

Eleazar
12-04-2012, 10:24 PM
At least it wasn't short for the first time in forever.

Pacergeek
12-04-2012, 10:25 PM
Nice pass from Lance there. Free Lance!

vnzla81
12-04-2012, 10:26 PM
Not a good shot for Paul.

Nuntius
12-04-2012, 10:26 PM
Well, I'll take the banker.

LoneGranger33
12-04-2012, 10:27 PM
The only way PG could step up was if West and Hill stepped back?

beast23
12-04-2012, 10:27 PM
Yes, you absolutely cannot throw it in to him and watch him "go to work". He should score on reversals, defensive rotations and put backs (which he hardly ever converts)
I think opponents have solved him. A timely nudge and he's out of rhythm. Heck, his opponents are so much into his head that he even misses when he's wide open, probably anticipating the contact.

Too bad we didn't spend just 12m a year on him. Then we could have spent the other 2m on a good sports psychiatrist.

Ace E.Anderson
12-04-2012, 10:28 PM
I remember everyone saying how much better Deng is than DG. Maybe he's waiting lol but he doesn't even seem like he's better than PG this game.

LoneGranger33
12-04-2012, 10:29 PM
I remember everyone saying how much better Deng is than DG. Maybe he's waiting lol but he doesn't even seem like he's better than PG this game.

I don't remember "everyone" saying that, but I remember at least one person who did. Did you mean someone instead of everyone?

Pacergeek
12-04-2012, 10:29 PM
David is going to have to take over yet again if we want to win this game

vnzla81
12-04-2012, 10:29 PM
The only way PG could step up was if West and Hill stepped back?

Vogel is calling some plays for Paul George.

Ace E.Anderson
12-04-2012, 10:29 PM
Nice pass from Lance there. Free Lance!

Omgosh dude....free lance from what?!

vnzla81
12-04-2012, 10:30 PM
I remember everyone saying how much better Deng is than DG. Maybe he's waiting lol but he doesn't even seem like he's better than PG this game.

He is better.

Pacergeek
12-04-2012, 10:30 PM
Roy on offense is getting difficult to watch

HickeyS2000
12-04-2012, 10:30 PM
Hibbert's hook shot was unstopable last year.

Not so unstoppable this year.

Ace E.Anderson
12-04-2012, 10:30 PM
I don't remember "everyone" saying that, but I remember at least one person who did. Did you mean someone instead of everyone?

Lol enough ppl ;-)

LoneGranger33
12-04-2012, 10:31 PM
Miami could not zap the 'zards.

Nuntius
12-04-2012, 10:31 PM
Nice pass, West.

Pacergeek
12-04-2012, 10:31 PM
looked like a flagrant to me

Nuntius
12-04-2012, 10:32 PM
He is better.

Than DG or PG?

Mr_Smith
12-04-2012, 10:32 PM
Roy scored a tip-in...imagine that

vnzla81
12-04-2012, 10:34 PM
Than DG or PG?

Both, this is only one game if it was for this game I would think that Roy is an scrub too.

aamcguy
12-04-2012, 10:35 PM
I remember everyone saying how much better Deng is than DG. Maybe he's waiting lol but he doesn't even seem like he's better than PG this game.

Deng is one of the best at the position in moving without the ball, both on the perimeter and through the middle of the court. He's a very similar talent to Granger, just scores in different ways.

Nuntius
12-04-2012, 10:36 PM
Both, this is only one game if it was for this game I would think that Roy is an scrub too.

Luol is better than PG.

But he's not better than DG. They're about the same.

And yes, Deng is having an off night. Normally, he's better than that. He's as good as DG.

vnzla81
12-04-2012, 10:37 PM
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Luol is better than PG.

But he's not better than DG. They're about the same.

The 06 Granger? sure, the new Granger? no.

vnzla81
12-04-2012, 10:38 PM
OMG Paul George where have you been all this time?

PacersHomer
12-04-2012, 10:38 PM
Man, George looked great right there. Maybe he just used up all of his great West Coast games in high school and college?

DGPR
12-04-2012, 10:38 PM
I like this Paul George, when did we get him?

Nuntius
12-04-2012, 10:38 PM
That was an amazing sequence by PG.

HickeyS2000
12-04-2012, 10:38 PM
The 06 Granger? sure, the new Granger? no.

Points aren't everything.

McKeyFan
12-04-2012, 10:38 PM
Paul George decided after last game that he doesn't want to suck.

Ace E.Anderson
12-04-2012, 10:38 PM
Deng is one of the best at the position in moving without the ball, both on the perimeter and through the middle of the court. He's a very similar talent to Granger, just scores in different ways.

I agree

Johanvil
12-04-2012, 10:38 PM
Now that's what we see from Paul George and we DEMAND a better offensive game from him and not being just a great defender.

greyhound80
12-04-2012, 10:39 PM
Please tell me PG was battling some health issues out west. Otherwise, how the hell do you play so awful for two games and then play like this tonight?? Don't just show up for the big games fella.

Nuntius
12-04-2012, 10:39 PM
The 06 Granger? sure, the new Granger? no.

They still look like the same player to me.

vnzla81
12-04-2012, 10:39 PM
Let the Tmac comparisons come back again so people jump out of buildings next time he sucks.

LoneGranger33
12-04-2012, 10:39 PM
That was an amazing sequence by PG.

I missed everything because of League Pass "technical difficulties".

HickeyS2000
12-04-2012, 10:39 PM
PG loves the United Center. I went to see a game there a couple years ago and he scored over 20 in the first half that game.

vnzla81
12-04-2012, 10:40 PM
Points aren't everything.

You should say that to 90 percent of the people here.

Nuntius
12-04-2012, 10:40 PM
I missed everything because of League Pass "technical difficulties".

:(

LucasRL13
12-04-2012, 10:40 PM
Great quarter by Hibbert and PG

Magic P
12-04-2012, 10:40 PM
Is the sound out for any one else?

greyhound80
12-04-2012, 10:40 PM
Super pass by West. Roy caught it at rim level and then brought it down for some unknown reason, then tied up. God Roy that is awful.

vnzla81
12-04-2012, 10:41 PM
They still look like the same player to me.

Of course.

Nuntius
12-04-2012, 10:41 PM
You should say that to 90 percent of the people here.

You're known for overvaluing scoring over other aspects of the game as well.

greyhound80
12-04-2012, 10:41 PM
Is the sound out for any one else?

yes

Eleazar
12-04-2012, 10:41 PM
I think that should count as an assist not a shot ;)

Ace E.Anderson
12-04-2012, 10:41 PM
Paul George decided after last game that he doesn't want to suck.

I'm glad he's playing well this game.

This is waaaaay better than the NO game bc he's not just scoring off wide open 3s.

I doubt this happens consistently but I'm enjoying it now.

LoneGranger33
12-04-2012, 10:42 PM
Choose your own adventure: Lance Stephenson alley-oop, or Paul George airball.

vnzla81
12-04-2012, 10:43 PM
Paul George is in Kobe mode, nice.

Eleazar
12-04-2012, 10:43 PM
Something that is often missed, but Lance is a good rebounder.

LoneGranger33
12-04-2012, 10:43 PM
Whatever Hill just said to Nate Robinson, I support it.

BlueCollarColts
12-04-2012, 10:43 PM
PAUL GEORGE TAKING OVER!!!

Nuntius
12-04-2012, 10:43 PM
Of course.

;)

vnzla81
12-04-2012, 10:44 PM
Pacers should trade Paul George after this game his value would never be this high, he is what he is at 22.........

vnzla81
12-04-2012, 10:45 PM
Something that is often missed, but Lance is a good rebounder.

Free Lance?

Nuntius
12-04-2012, 10:45 PM
Something that is often missed, but Lance is a good rebounder.

True. All of our wings are good rebounders. Lance, PG, Green, Young, DG. All of them can rebound. It's a great way to hide our not so athletic PFs.

McKeyFan
12-04-2012, 10:45 PM
I missed everything because of League Pass "technical difficulties".

Steal on the baseline, went coast to coast for an And 1 at the rim.

beast23
12-04-2012, 10:45 PM
Check out our current +\-. All starters double digit positive. All subs negative. Same old story.

TinManJoshua
12-04-2012, 10:46 PM
Omgosh dude....free lance from what?!

A structured offense. He's not saying Free Lance(Stephenson) he's saying we should freelance our offensive sets.

rock747
12-04-2012, 10:46 PM
Paul George is playing like he is the number one option... thats waht he has to do...

Eleazar
12-04-2012, 10:47 PM
Check out our current +\-. All starters double digit positive. All subs negative. Same old story.

-1, -1, -1, -2, and -3 I think that is acceptable.

greyhound80
12-04-2012, 10:47 PM
This is ridiculous. Sound out for about 10 minutes and they prob don't even know it. Doubt if there is a number to call.

HickeyS2000
12-04-2012, 10:48 PM
This is ridiculous. Sound out for about 10 minutes and they prob don't even know it. Doubt if there is a number to call.

U with DirecTV? I think its a DirecTV thing.

Nuntius
12-04-2012, 10:48 PM
Pacers should trade Paul George after this game his value would never be this high, he is what he is at 22.........

No matter how many times you say it PG's value will INDEED never be higher unless he develops into a superstar.

However, that does not mean that we will or SHOULD trade him.

aamcguy
12-04-2012, 10:49 PM
This is ridiculous. Sound out for about 10 minutes and they prob don't even know it. Doubt if there is a number to call.

They're taking turns screwing LP customers. My turn was about the middle 10 minutes of the 2nd quarter followed by a sequence of screen freezes.

vnzla81
12-04-2012, 10:49 PM
Free Lance.....

Ace E.Anderson
12-04-2012, 10:49 PM
Lol free lance!!

rock747
12-04-2012, 10:49 PM
bad sequence there

Nuntius
12-04-2012, 10:49 PM
Bad pass now, Hibby. You're a better passer than that.

aamcguy
12-04-2012, 10:50 PM
Hibbert saw Ian and was tired, wanted out NOW

LoneGranger33
12-04-2012, 10:50 PM
They're taking turns screwing LP customers. My turn was about the middle 10 minutes of the 2nd quarter followed by a sequence of screen freezes.

I got to see Kirk Hinrich bring the ball up the court about fifteen times on loop.

beast23
12-04-2012, 10:51 PM
A structured offense. He's not saying Free Lance(Stephenson) he's saying we should freelance our offensive sets.
No, actually he was hoping that they would switch Lance from jockeys to boxers at halftime.

greyhound80
12-04-2012, 10:52 PM
Lol free lance!!


Ha, that was "BAD" Lance. "I'm gonna shoot this no matter what!"

aamcguy
12-04-2012, 10:52 PM
No, actually he was hoping that they would switch Lance from jockeys to boxers at halftime.

For basketball that just sounds....painful

Eleazar
12-04-2012, 10:53 PM
Ha, that was "BAD" Lance. "I'm gonna shoot this no matter what!"

I don't necessarily blame him in that situation, but Lance does seem to have problems with good defenders.

rock747
12-04-2012, 10:54 PM
Mahimni has been great lately...

Nuntius
12-04-2012, 10:54 PM
Nice shot off the dribble, Ian :-o

Pacergeek
12-04-2012, 10:54 PM
Mahinmi's not too bad when he plays with confidence

LoneGranger33
12-04-2012, 10:55 PM
Mahinmi flails convincingly.

Ace E.Anderson
12-04-2012, 10:55 PM
Ian has looked really good here recently. Finally in rhythm it seems

Pacergeek
12-04-2012, 10:55 PM
Ha, that was "BAD" Lance. "I'm gonna shoot this no matter what!"

the shot clock was winding down. had to shoot it

rock747
12-04-2012, 10:56 PM
Augustin just wasted youngs nice steal.

LoneGranger33
12-04-2012, 10:56 PM
I can't believe Sam Young did the responsible thing after that steal, then D.J. Augustin just throws it up there.

Dr. Goldfoot
12-04-2012, 10:56 PM
FYI, DTV sound is good on the standard def feed. I can't believe this picture quality served us for so long.

Eleazar
12-04-2012, 10:56 PM
Smart decision by Young, followed quickly by a bad decision by Augutsin.

Nuntius
12-04-2012, 10:57 PM
I can't believe Sam Young did the responsible thing after that steal, then D.J. Augustin just throws it up there.

Honestly, I'd prefer Young to just drive to the hoop.

PacersHomer
12-04-2012, 10:57 PM
Ahhh, our bench...classic.

LoneGranger33
12-04-2012, 10:57 PM
In retrospect, however, it was an open shot, which 5'11'' Augustin probably won't see many of.

rock747
12-04-2012, 10:57 PM
well pacer's 2nd unit has spent about enough time on the court...

Nuntius
12-04-2012, 10:58 PM
Good defense, guys.

Nuntius
12-04-2012, 10:58 PM
Great shot, PG :)

rock747
12-04-2012, 10:58 PM
Where have you been Paul George?!

Eleazar
12-04-2012, 10:59 PM
Get Augustin out of there, and bench him for the season.

rock747
12-04-2012, 11:00 PM
Nate Robinson is eating Augustin alive

PacersHomer
12-04-2012, 11:00 PM
I swear that these guys (Augustin especially) are lucky to be in the NBA, let alone playing meaningful minutes.

vnzla81
12-04-2012, 11:00 PM
I hate Nate.

HickeyS2000
12-04-2012, 11:00 PM
Good one Vogel. Wait until they get the lead for the timeout. I'm starting to sour on Vogel, and I was a HUGE supported before the season.

DGPR
12-04-2012, 11:00 PM
Nate Robinson is annoying

boombaby1987
12-04-2012, 11:00 PM
What do you know, the bench gave the lead away. :mad:

Dece
12-04-2012, 11:01 PM
Can we get a coach who understands that they are coaching basketball, not hockey? I'm tired of these ****** full unit substitutions, you should never have less than 2 starters on the floor.

Nuntius
12-04-2012, 11:01 PM
The Bulls have huge momentum now. But I don't blame the whole bench. Honestly, it's mostly DJ's fault. He has taken some bad decisions offensively and Nate Robinson has torched him :(

rock747
12-04-2012, 11:01 PM
Pacers have to find some other option at backup pg this season... somehow...

McKeyFan
12-04-2012, 11:02 PM
Lance should play instead of Augustin.

Start Lance, sub him early, bring him back to replace Hill. Finish Lance.

Johanvil
12-04-2012, 11:02 PM
This is on Vogel as usual.Robinson is a punk and i hope someone smash his face.

Eleazar
12-04-2012, 11:02 PM
Pacers have to find some other option at backup pg this season... somehow...

Lance, Hansbrough, Plumlee I don't care.

Nuntius
12-04-2012, 11:02 PM
Pacers have to find some other option at backup pg this season... somehow...

A defensive stopper with some handles that can shoot a bit?

Ace E.Anderson
12-04-2012, 11:02 PM
Nate is pretty hyped for an early December game. I kinda wish we had some fire like that on our bench

LoneGranger33
12-04-2012, 11:03 PM
I really can't blame Vogel for not playing George Hill the full 48 minutes.

rock747
12-04-2012, 11:03 PM
Augustin gets other teams backup PGs going....

HickeyS2000
12-04-2012, 11:03 PM
eat a **** boombaby, this isn't english class.

PacersHomer
12-04-2012, 11:03 PM
We had momentum but Augustin was having none of that! If we lose it's on him.

HickeyS2000
12-04-2012, 11:04 PM
eat a **** boombaby, this isn't english class.

and i wont delete mine

Nuntius
12-04-2012, 11:04 PM
PG :happydanc:happydanc:happydanc

Now, make some stops.

vnzla81
12-04-2012, 11:04 PM
Wow

McKeyFan
12-04-2012, 11:04 PM
Lance, Hansbrough, Plumlee I don't care.

Free Miles!

Pacemaker
12-04-2012, 11:04 PM
When was the last time Tyler made a jumper. He sucks big time right now.

vnzla81
12-04-2012, 11:05 PM
A good foul? are you kidding me?

Nuntius
12-04-2012, 11:05 PM
This is a very important game. I really wish we win it.

PacersHomer
12-04-2012, 11:06 PM
Roy-if there are 3 guys on you, it means someone is open.

Dece
12-04-2012, 11:07 PM
Someone please teach this 7'2" man how to dunk. PLEASE.

Eleazar
12-04-2012, 11:07 PM
When did dribble = shooting?