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avoidingtheclowns
11-30-2012, 05:56 PM
TIME FOR A
ROYAL BEATDOWN



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Game Time Start: 10:00 PM EST
Where: Sleep Train Arena, Sacramento, CA
Officials: J. Phillips, J. Orr, S. Wall

Media Notes: Indiana Notes (http://www.nba.com/gamenotes/pacers.pdf), Sacramento Notes (http://www.nba.com/gamenotes/kings.pdf)
Television: FOX Sports Indiana / Comcast SportsNet California
Radio: WFNI 1070 AM / KHTK 1140 AM
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Season Records: (W-L)




:xpacers:

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http://i49.tinypic.com/e1589d.png<center>Away: 3-6
West: 4-3</center>



:kings:

http://i49.tinypic.com/e1589d.pnghttp://i49.tinypic.com/e1589d.png<center>4-10</center>
http://i49.tinypic.com/e1589d.png<center>Home: 4-5
East: 1-4</center>

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at :bulls:


vs :trailblazers:


vs :nuggets:




10:00pm


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http://www.nba.com/tvc/image/assets/wordmarks/IND_wordmark.png Projected Starting Lineup:



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<center>HIBBERT</center>
<center>WEST</center>
<center>GEORGE</center>
<center>STEPHENSON</center>
<center>HILL</center>



http://www.nba.com/tvc/image/assets/wordmarks/SAC_wordmark.png Projected Starting Lineup:



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<center>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/jason_thompson.jpg</center>
<center>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/john_salmons.jpg</center>
<center>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/tyreke_evans.jpg</center>
<center>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/aaron_brooks.jpg</center>


<center>COUSINS</center>
<center>THOMPSON</center>
<center>SALMONS</center>
<center>EVANS</center>
<center>BROOKS</center>

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PACERS
Danny Granger - left knee tendinosis (out)
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KINGS
None Reported



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Perpetually Disappointing to Trader Joe Minimally Relevant Video:



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Semi-Relevant Video:



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SacTown Royalty:




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Tom Ziller: Virginia Beach reportedly reaches deal with Comcast, Kings

Sacramento's worsening relocation nightmare continues: Virginia Beach's mayor
reportedly has a deal with the Kings and Comcast to build a new facility in the city.
They just need $150 million from the state of Virginia to make it pencil out.

Welp City. According to WAVY-TV's Bruce Rader (http://blogs.wavy.com/2012/11/27/va-beachkingsarena-details-worked-out/), Virginia Beach mayor Will Sessoms
has reached a deal with Comcast-Spectacor and apparently the Maloofs to build a city
-owned arena in that fair burg, with the cable company as the operator and the Kings
as the primary tenant. Next Tuesday, Rader reports, Sessoms will ask the Virginia
Beach City Council to approve a request to the State of Virginia for $150 million to
help build the arena and finance the team's relocation. The apparent angle will be that
doing the deal gives Virginia its first professional major league team since ... the ABA's
Squires?

Rader says $80 million of that money will go toward relocation costs for the Kings. The
Maloofs owe the city of Sacramento just less than that amount, and the standard recent
relocation fees from the NBA have been $30 million. The Maloofs could also default on
their loan with the city and fork over a $25 million stake of the team, per the loan
agreement.

Famously, the Maloofs bristled at providing collateral for a restructured city loan in the
most recent arena negotiations. The Virginia Beach deal, as proposed, would apparently
let Virginian taxpayers handle...CONTINUE READING AT SACTOWN ROYALTY (http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2012/11/28/3701212/virginia-beach-reportedly-reaches-deal-with-comcast-kings-may-ask-for)


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Hardwood Paroxysm:




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Curtis Harris: The Welfare Kings


After months of negotiations it appears the details have been worked out
to build an arena in Virginia Beach, and bring a major league sports team
with it.

But the deal is far from being done.

A plan to build a $350 million arena on the Virginia Beach oceanfront,
with an NBA team as its anchor tenant, moved forward tonight.

- Via Va Beach/Kings/Arena Details worked out (http://blogs.wavy.com/2012/11/27/va-beachkingsarena-details-worked-out/)

Oh things are “moving forward”, alright. Yet another reach into the public pocket by
private sports franchises. The Maloofs of Sacramento Kings infamy are continuing
their quest to shore up their own finances at the expense of some public, somewhere.

The plan for this stadium boondoggle is staggering. Of the $300 million plan I’ve
been able to find and scrutinize, here’s what’s been reported (http://hamptonroads.com/2012/11/va-beach-mayor-sketches-out-proposed-arena-deal):


The city would contribute $195 million. The state will be asked for $150
million, of which $70 million would be for the arena, and Comcast-
Spectacor, the Philadelphia-based sports and entertainment company
that would lease and operate the arena and is working to recruit the
pro sports team, would put in $35 million.

So, out of a $300 million stadium, the city of Virginia Beach will provide $195 million.
The Commonwealth of Virginia will spend $70 million. That leaves just $35 million of
private dollars to be spent by Comcast to finance construction. Also keep in mind
Virginia is also being asked to spend $80 million to cover relocation expenses for the
Maloofs and to make up for so-called “lost revenue” should the Kings relocate and be
forced to play in “substandard” arenas.

Leaving aside the entitled notion of “lost revenue”, this is patently absurd. For those
of you looking for more confirmation on the lunacy of stadium construction read
Sports, Jobs and Taxes (http://www.amazon.com/Sports-Jobs-Taxes-Economic-Stadiums/dp/0815761112/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1354117898&sr=8-1&keywords=sports+jobs+and+taxes), which has case study after case study on failed arena
promises.

And what exactly are the promises? Well let’s take a look at the two consulting
projections I’ve been able to find so far.


The Koch study (http://hamptonroads.com/2012/09/va-beach-mayor-backs-50000-study-arena-impact) estimated an arena, starting in 2015, would host nearly
200 events a year with 1.3 million attendees. It would also create 1,230
jobs and generate $98 million in revenue in 2015, including $66 million
in Virginia Beach.

And then there’s the study by Conventions, Sports & Leisure International whose
name ought to be a sign they are going to swing for the fences in their estimates (http://hamptonroads.com/2012/11/new-study-impact-arena-va-beach-released):


The study presented Tuesday, done by Texas-based Conventions, Sports
& Leisure International, showed the annual revenue for southeastern
Virginia generated by an arena would be $152 million, including $92
million in Virginia Beach. It would create 1,900 jobs and $8.9 million
in city tax revenue.

Both studies worryingly use data from pro-stadium Comcast in their formulations,
but yet we have a huge discrepancy in benefits. Koch says about 1200 jobs and
$100 million in revenue. Conventions, Sports & Leisure International says 1900
jobs and $150 million in revenue.

I’d go with the conservative estimate here based on past stadium failures, but also
upsetting is that it benefits Conventions, Sports & Leisure International to put out
attractive numbers to sweet talk cities and states to finance stadiums. That firm
was founded in the late 1980s in Minnesota, an era that began extreme stadium
construction in the Twin Cities, and as we look at the list of associations and
consultations made by Conventions, Sports & Leisure (http://www.cslintl.com/prosports.php) it becomes apparent they’re
living on the gravy train...CONTINUE READING AT HARDWOOD PAROXYSM (http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2012/11/28/the-welfare-kings/)

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Cowbell Kingdom:




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Jonathan Santiago: The Kings have improved with their new starting lineup

After a disappointing start, the Sacramento Kings have begun to stabilize thanks to
changes to their starters. With the additions of Aaron Brooks and John Salmons,
their defense has stayed the course while the offense has finally caught up. At
Sactown Royalty, our friend Tom Ziller broke down the plus/minus numbers of the
Kings’ new starting five (http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2012/11/25/3688272/sacramento-kings-starting-lineup-aaron-brooks-john-salmons) and found some positive results.


The Kings are 2-2 with this starting lineup, and that five-man unit has been
Sacramento’s best by no small margin. The unit — Salmons, Brooks, Evans, Jason
Thompson and DeMarcus Cousins — is +31 in 68 minutes,per NBA.com. The next
best five-man unit — Salmons, Brooks, Travis Outlaw, Jimmer Fredette and Chuck
Hayes (?!) — is +10 in six minutes. Clearly, the new starting five is working better
than anything else Smart has tossed out there.

Ziller also notes Salmons’ effect on the Kings’ new lineup, pointing out that the
veteran small forward leads the Kings in plus/minus at+50 in 192 minutes. I’ll add
another startling statistic about Salmons’ contributions this season that I actually
tweeted last night (https://twitter.com/itsjonsantiago/status/272932247315828737). Through four games as a starter, the veteran swingman leads
the Kings in offensive rating at 117.6. Paired with a defensive rating of 100.9,
Salmons has posted a net rating of 16.7, which tops the Kings in their last four
games.

Below is a table breaking down where the Kings have improved statistically since
Keith Smart‘s shakeup to his starting five.

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As noted above, with the exception of blowout losses to the Lakers, Trail Blazers
and Hawks, the Kings defense has remained steady. In their first nine games, they
were allowing opponents to score 97.8 points per contest, while limiting them to
44.5 percent from the field. In their last four games, they’ve allowed opponents to
score roughly the same amount of points (99.4) and shoot a similar percentage from
the floor (44 percent).

Now, for those of you who are visually oriented, here’s a chart comparing the Kings’
shooting performance over their first 13 games. It’s just like the graph on Brooks
found in my piece on the Kings’ new backcourt.



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The offense has seen massive...CONTINUE READING AT COWBELL KINGDOM (http://www.cowbellkingdom.com/2012/11/26/by-the-numbers-where-the-sacramento-kings-have-improved-with-their-new-starting-lineup/)

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140 Characters of (Non-PD) Coverage



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Pacers
Mike Wells @MikeWellsNBA (https://twitter.com/#!/MikeWellsNBA)
Jared Wade @8pts9secs (https://twitter.com/#!/8pts9secs)
Tim Donahue @TimDonahue8p9s (https://twitter.com/#!/TimDonahue8p9s)
Tom Lewis @indycornrows (https://twitter.com/#!/IndyCornrows)


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Kings
Jason Jones @mr_jasonjones (https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones)
Tom Ziller @teamziller (https://twitter.com/teamziller)
Jonathan Santiago @itsjonsantiago (https://twitter.com/itsjonsantiago)
James Ham @james_ham (https://twitter.com/james_ham)


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LG33
11-30-2012, 11:03 PM
I just saw DeMarcus Cousins put Isaiah Thomas in a headlock during pre-game warm-ups. That's gotta be a two-gamer, right?

Nuntius
11-30-2012, 11:06 PM
Leggoooooooooo :happydanc

CableKC
11-30-2012, 11:12 PM
There is no one at this game.....I'd assume that Gnome and Seth were able to get some decent seats behind the bench.

vnzla81
11-30-2012, 11:16 PM
I expect Cousins to keep the Pacers on the lead he is not smart enough.

CableKC
11-30-2012, 11:18 PM
Geez....WTF Hibbert? Air ball?

vnzla81
11-30-2012, 11:22 PM
Sometimes I wonder why Sacramento is still in the NBA what a joke.

Pingu
11-30-2012, 11:22 PM
This one's shaping up to be another offensive feast...

Eleazar
11-30-2012, 11:23 PM
PG is looking like a PG out there. :-p

CableKC
11-30-2012, 11:23 PM
I expect Cousins to keep the Pacers on the lead he is not smart enough.
Keep in mind that last season....it was Cousins that dominated the game against the Pacers.

LG33
11-30-2012, 11:25 PM
Great outlet pass - needed Hansbrough to slam that one down though.

Nuntius
11-30-2012, 11:26 PM
Wow, Hans was obliterated at the rim.

CableKC
11-30-2012, 11:26 PM
No Layups Hansbrough! I just had flashbacks to Reggie and Tayshaun from the Playoffs

vnzla81
11-30-2012, 11:27 PM
Is this game for real? :lol:

Eleazar
11-30-2012, 11:27 PM
Great outlet pass - needed Hansbrough to slam down that one though.

Yeah, if he was able to take one dribble he would have, he was just a half step too far away for Hansbrough to really dunk it.

Nuntius
11-30-2012, 11:27 PM
I'm really not sure if that's epic Pacers defense or hopeless Sacramento offense.

docpaul
11-30-2012, 11:28 PM
A lot of good looks on defense... Hibbert looking really really good. Fast break defense looking great. Post defense seems really tough, overall.

Nuntius
11-30-2012, 11:28 PM
Yeah, if he was able to take one dribble he would have, he was just a half step too far away for Hansbrough to really dunk it.

Exactly.

Nuntius
11-30-2012, 11:31 PM
Young :happydanc

clownskull
11-30-2012, 11:31 PM
looks like there are about 1200 people there tonight.

vnzla81
11-30-2012, 11:31 PM
Young is going to look like Ray Allen against this crappy team.

vnzla81
11-30-2012, 11:32 PM
looks like there are about 1200 people there tonight.

Seth, Gnome and Gnome's wife are there so it should be around 1203 people.

Nuntius
11-30-2012, 11:33 PM
Bad take by Green here.

vnzla81
11-30-2012, 11:35 PM
OMG Jimmer.

LG33
11-30-2012, 11:36 PM
We're getting Fredetted!

Nuntius
11-30-2012, 11:36 PM
Jimmer is off to a good start.

Wow, what a pass by Young. Are you kidding me? :-o

CableKC
11-30-2012, 11:36 PM
So far.....both Teams shooting 33%.

LucasRL13
11-30-2012, 11:37 PM
First 10m 7 Sacramento points, last 2 minutes 10 Sacramento points, well done second squad

Pingu
11-30-2012, 11:37 PM
So far.....both Teams shooting 33%.

As a tribute to Granger.

DJ Augustin vs. Jimmer Fredette :puke:

Jon Theodore
11-30-2012, 11:37 PM
Could Ben Hansbrough be any worse than DJ. Seriously.

docpaul
11-30-2012, 11:37 PM
A lot of blown coverages there in the two sequences before the Jimmer 3...

The lack of awareness on the offensive fast break is putrid as well tonight... Two possessions turn into blown possessions.

rock747
11-30-2012, 11:37 PM
This bench.... uhg.

Eleazar
11-30-2012, 11:38 PM
1 minute of play......-5 +/- :| Not usually a fan of +/-, but this is one of those extreme occasions.

rock747
11-30-2012, 11:39 PM
Gerald Green just can't relax out there...

docpaul
11-30-2012, 11:40 PM
Damn, West is just a solid player... rarely see him making mental mistakes...

Nuntius
11-30-2012, 11:41 PM
That was a nice offensive possession :)

vnzla81
11-30-2012, 11:42 PM
Good strategy on West taking it to Chuck Hayes before he is ready to guard him, Hayes has the ability to shut him down if West takes his time.

Eleazar
11-30-2012, 11:42 PM
Damn, West is just a solid player... rarely see him making mental mistakes...

Our wings are doing a heck of a job getting it to him in the perfect spot today to.

CableKC
11-30-2012, 11:42 PM
Can someone tell Young that he's not supposed to try to score the ball on his own? Geez.....:banghead:

CableKC
11-30-2012, 11:42 PM
Right now...Jimmer > DJ :(

Nuntius
11-30-2012, 11:44 PM
I am pretty sure that DJ should have passed to Ian here. He was against Jimmer in the block.

Gold
11-30-2012, 11:44 PM
Soooo... What would the kings want for Fredette?

Pingu
11-30-2012, 11:44 PM
This is horrible. Stern should fine both teams $250,000 for hurting the League's image...

Eleazar
11-30-2012, 11:44 PM
Soooo... What would the kings want for Fredette?

Probably more than DJ.

Nuntius
11-30-2012, 11:45 PM
Right now...Jimmer > DJ :(

Jimmer is going to have a productive NBA career, imo. He is not the bust that some people claim that he is. He has the skills. He just needs to play in an actual system.

But yeah, DJ should be better.

rock747
11-30-2012, 11:46 PM
DJ Augustine has been atrocious

docpaul
11-30-2012, 11:46 PM
I just don't understand Augustine... he's on a one year contract, after not being retained by a horrible team. How is it that he feels it's OK to play complacent? Hes at least twice failed to put appropriate effort into guarding Jimmer...

He better get in the game, or his time in the NBA is over.

Nuntius
11-30-2012, 11:46 PM
Ouch. That shot was not even close :(

Nuntius
11-30-2012, 11:47 PM
Good take, Young :)

vnzla81
11-30-2012, 11:47 PM
This is horrible. Stern should fine both teams $250,000 for hurting the League's image...

They should fine Sacramento for been in the NBA.

CableKC
11-30-2012, 11:48 PM
Seriously....who gave Young the frickin Green light to shoot the ball?

Jon Theodore
11-30-2012, 11:48 PM
Dj's career is already over, say goodbye to the NBA after this year. Each game we continue to play him, we are joking.

Nuntius
11-30-2012, 11:48 PM
That was a horrible defensive possession.

Jon Theodore
11-30-2012, 11:49 PM
Hah he would hit a 3 now, keep it up DJ!

vnzla81
11-30-2012, 11:49 PM
Finally a good play for DJ.

Nuntius
11-30-2012, 11:49 PM
Good job, Young and DJ :)

vnzla81
11-30-2012, 11:50 PM
Amazing how teams are afraid of taking it to Roy, they jump in the air, see Roy and don't know what to do :laugh:

BlueCollarColts
11-30-2012, 11:51 PM
we need to post up Green more, i dont care if he traveled the first time he has a nice post up shot, don't know why we don't do it

Naptown_Seth
11-30-2012, 11:51 PM
Dudes behind us are drunk, rowdy, and funny

docpaul
11-30-2012, 11:51 PM
Dj's career is already over, say goodbye to the NBA after this year. Each game we continue to play him, we are joking.

The guy can lead an offense though... He's shown real skill there.... I wonder what the hell is going on with him? He just looks complacent/going through the motions, especially on defense. It's one thing to get beat, it's another to just give up.

Pingu
11-30-2012, 11:51 PM
I just realized that Sacto's arena is called the 'Sleep Train Arena'...

CableKC
11-30-2012, 11:51 PM
Wow....I have to get that Kings Cheerleader Calendar :drool:

Nuntius
11-30-2012, 11:52 PM
On an irrelevant note, Young is leading the team in assists :laugh:

LG33
11-30-2012, 11:54 PM
Dudes behind us are drunk, rowdy, and funny

Are you sitting in front of the Pacers' coaching staff?

vnzla81
11-30-2012, 11:56 PM
Dudes behind us are drunk, rowdy, and funny

Are they asking you for autographs yet? you know because you kind of look like David Spade ;)

Nuntius
11-30-2012, 11:59 PM
Hibs :happydanc

LG33
12-01-2012, 12:00 AM
Hill just hit one from Jimmer range.

Nuntius
12-01-2012, 12:00 AM
Hill :happydanc

vnzla81
12-01-2012, 12:02 AM
Why is Thompson starting in Sacramento that guy sucks?

Nuntius
12-01-2012, 12:02 AM
Why is Thompson starting in Sacramento that guy sucks?

I don't think that he sucks. He never disappoints me in 2k12 at least :-p

BlueCollarColts
12-01-2012, 12:03 AM
LOL BANK SHOT, buzzer beater by Hill before half!!!

CableKC
12-01-2012, 12:03 AM
How many times has Hill done that?

Nuntius
12-01-2012, 12:03 AM
The bank is open for Hill :happydanc

imbtyler
12-01-2012, 12:06 AM
we need to post up Green more, i dont care if he traveled the first time he has a nice post up shot, don't know why we don't do it

I keep saying Green and PG need to post up more often. One quick spin move and BOOM! you're in the post with an open lane to dunk in.

vnzla81
12-01-2012, 12:06 AM
And what happened to Jimmer? man some of this teams coaches are pretty bad.

Eleazar
12-01-2012, 12:07 AM
Ha that is a nice coincident.

BlueCollarColts
12-01-2012, 12:07 AM
George Hill is clutch, period.

Eleazar
12-01-2012, 12:14 AM
WE ARE SHOOTING 40% :dance:

vnzla81
12-01-2012, 12:21 AM
I remember when I wanted Thompson I was wrong he sucks.

LG33
12-01-2012, 12:26 AM
PG and Lance disappoint me.

LG33
12-01-2012, 12:27 AM
Thank god for George Hill.

vnzla81
12-01-2012, 12:27 AM
Hill is a beast.

clownskull
12-01-2012, 12:28 AM
DJ Augustine has been atrocious

yep. every game but the spurs game, he has been flat-out awful.
thankfully, it is a 1-year rental.

clownskull
12-01-2012, 12:29 AM
that was a nice little elbow west gave that guy. got him pretty good.

rock747
12-01-2012, 12:29 AM
Man, we should gave west the max contract

CableKC
12-01-2012, 12:29 AM
Told you...Cousins is a beast whenever he plays us.

LG33
12-01-2012, 12:31 AM
Paul George for DeMarcus Cousins. Make it happen, Larry. Also, become GM again.

BlueCollarColts
12-01-2012, 12:31 AM
George Hill and David West are our whole team

BlueCollarColts
12-01-2012, 12:32 AM
I think when Granger gets back it will help Hibbert a lot, consistent 3 point threat so they can't help on Hibbert as fast as they do now or Hibbert kicks out for easy 3

vnzla81
12-01-2012, 12:33 AM
Thompson lol

Nuntius
12-01-2012, 12:33 AM
West was right in this "And-1" ;)

Nuntius
12-01-2012, 12:34 AM
Nice shot, DJ :)

Ace E.Anderson
12-01-2012, 12:36 AM
Thank god for George Hill.

Surprised to hear you say that. You're one of his biggest haters on this board.

clownskull
12-01-2012, 12:37 AM
west is playing really well tonight.
quite impressed.

vnzla81
12-01-2012, 12:37 AM
Lol at West and his and 1 :laugh:

Eleazar
12-01-2012, 12:37 AM
that should be a flagrant 1, there isn't much more dangerous way to foul a player than to pull them down when they are jumping.

Nuntius
12-01-2012, 12:37 AM
Cousins helped us a lot with those consecutive 1-on-1s.

Great defensive job by Ian :)

Nuntius
12-01-2012, 12:40 AM
Was the Sleep Train Arena rocking some Gravedigger or was it Eluveitie? :-o

CableKC
12-01-2012, 12:40 AM
Paul George for DeMarcus Cousins. Make it happen, Larry. Also, become GM again.
Cousins is a huge headcase.....all the talent in the world but has a screw loose somewhere in his head.

LG33
12-01-2012, 12:40 AM
Sam Young, superstar.

Nuntius
12-01-2012, 12:41 AM
Great steal, Young. Good job :)

vnzla81
12-01-2012, 12:41 AM
So what happened to Jimmer? He was so fun to watch.

Sollozzo
12-01-2012, 12:41 AM
Random comment: Are we ever going to change uniforms? I'm tired of looking at these after like 7 years.

CableKC
12-01-2012, 12:43 AM
WTF is green and young doing? Geez....they shouldn't have the ball in their hands that long.

Sollozzo
12-01-2012, 12:44 AM
West is such a beast. He's a good general out there too.

vnzla81
12-01-2012, 12:44 AM
That Green shot is the shot Seth keeps saying that is a good shot lol

LG33
12-01-2012, 12:45 AM
Surprised to hear you say that. You're one of his biggest haters on this board.

I've only said that, in my opinion, I think he's overrated and, as a result, overpaid. My intense personal hatred for him, his family, his pets and anyone he has ever conversed with has nothing to do with that assessment.

Eleazar
12-01-2012, 12:47 AM
No TO's that quarter.

rock747
12-01-2012, 12:48 AM
Young has been solid. Greene has no idea how to play basketball. West is our best player.

CableKC
12-01-2012, 12:49 AM
Geez....don't voluntarily pass the ball to Young with little time left in the clock.

CableKC
12-01-2012, 12:49 AM
Young has been solid. Greene has no idea how to play basketball. West is our best player.
Young has been trying too much on the offensive end.

LucasRL13
12-01-2012, 12:49 AM
Young is our best bench player by far

LG33
12-01-2012, 12:49 AM
Sam Young is directly responsible for four of Hansbrough's points tonight.

vnzla81
12-01-2012, 12:50 AM
Young for 800k is a pretty good deal, I don't expect much out of a guy that makes that amount, now if you ask me about the other bench players....

LG33
12-01-2012, 12:51 AM
Lance Stephenson went to the three-point well again, but it remains dry.

Nuntius
12-01-2012, 12:51 AM
Hans :happydanc

Solid job by Young to get the board and the assist.

CableKC
12-01-2012, 12:51 AM
Dude....Young should not be shooting the ball this much....geez....he's doing great on the defensive end of the court but not on the offensive end.

docpaul
12-01-2012, 12:52 AM
Hansbrough getting away with the arm bars...

Nuntius
12-01-2012, 12:53 AM
Hill :happydanc

vnzla81
12-01-2012, 12:53 AM
Dude....Young should not be shooting the ball this much....geez....

I agree, he shouldn't try to score as much he is not that good at it.

And now he scored a 3 lol

CableKC
12-01-2012, 12:53 AM
My God.....Young finally hit a 3pt shot.

rock747
12-01-2012, 12:53 AM
Sam Young may have been a nice little steal...

Nuntius
12-01-2012, 12:53 AM
Youuuuuuuuuuuuuuung :happydanc:happydanc:happydanc

LG33
12-01-2012, 12:54 AM
For all yous complaining about Sammy Shoots-a-Lot: Sam Young is 2 for 3 from range. Lance and PG, a combined 0 for 7.

Eleazar
12-01-2012, 12:54 AM
Mith Young you shouldn't expect him to score, but when he is you want to take advantage of it. Just don't let him go crazy shooting when he isn't scoring.

rock747
12-01-2012, 12:55 AM
Really the bench has been decent tonight aside from gerald greene. Pg and stephenson have brought n.othing

CoolHand
12-01-2012, 12:55 AM
some who have been wanting young to never shoot are going to need to eat some crow

LucasRL13
12-01-2012, 12:55 AM
10p 5r and 4a in 13m great game by Young so far

vnzla81
12-01-2012, 12:55 AM
I like what Young is doing today but let's take into consideration that he is playing against Sacramento and they suck.

CableKC
12-01-2012, 12:56 AM
I think that Young should fill the same role that Foster filled on the Team. Not as a backup Big Man....but contribute on the defensive end of the court while scoring ONLY on put backs or specific plays run for him where he can get SUPER EASY buckets. Young should not be looking for his own shot or dribbling for more than a few seconds.

Hoop
12-01-2012, 12:57 AM
Just when I'm about convinced that I don't like Sam Young. :D

Eleazar
12-01-2012, 12:58 AM
Really the bench has been decent tonight aside from gerald greene. Pg and stephenson have brought n.othing

Haha which is funny because Green has the best +/- on the Pacers.

Georc]ge hasn't shot well but he has been making great passes and great defense.

Nuntius
12-01-2012, 12:58 AM
I like what Young is doing today but let's take into consideration that he is playing against Sacramento and they suck.

PG and Lance play against Sacramento as well.

CableKC
12-01-2012, 12:59 AM
some who have been wanting young to never shoot are going to need to eat some crow
Hmmmm....crow tastes good....with ketchup and a side of fries.

I still don't want him shooting this much.

LG33
12-01-2012, 01:00 AM
Broadband cut out on me. What's the score?

Nuntius
12-01-2012, 01:00 AM
Weeeest :happydanc:happydanc:happydanc

He is a baws ;)

rock747
12-01-2012, 01:00 AM
2 pts 8 assts for paul george.... is he jason kidd?

Nuntius
12-01-2012, 01:01 AM
Broadband cut out on me. What's the score?

86 - 78.

2minutes twoa
12-01-2012, 01:01 AM
Is James Johnson sporting the new Nike reading glasses? :)

BlueCollarColts
12-01-2012, 01:01 AM
George Hill deserves All-star consideration, David West better be in

docpaul
12-01-2012, 01:02 AM
Please, please, please Lord.... help Paul George put it all together... he's got the capability of being really special.

vnzla81
12-01-2012, 01:03 AM
If I was a Sacramento fan I'll be pissed that my coach decided to play Thompson on West all game, it's pretty much like Posey trying to guard Amare or Gasol wtf is he thinking? Lol

CableKC
12-01-2012, 01:05 AM
If I was a Sacramento fan I'll be pissed that my coach decided to play Thompson on West all game, it's pretty much like Posey trying to guard Amare or Gasol wtf is he thinking? Lol
Robinson seems to be doing somewhat decent against us. Im surprised he isn't playing more.

CableKC
12-01-2012, 01:07 AM
I think that West is running low on gas.

PG24 for the "and 1"

2minutes twoa
12-01-2012, 01:08 AM
Is Roy even capable of boxing out?!!

Nuntius
12-01-2012, 01:08 AM
PG :happydanc

We needed that basket, Paul :D

vnzla81
12-01-2012, 01:08 AM
Yep game over, good try Sacramento you still suck.

greyhound80
12-01-2012, 01:08 AM
Please, please, please Lord.... help Paul George put it all together... he's got the capability of being really special.
No kidding. He finally scored then promptly bricked the FT.

Nuntius
12-01-2012, 01:09 AM
Yep game over, good try Sacramento you still suck.

Nothing is over yet. Don't jinx it, please :(

greyhound80
12-01-2012, 01:09 AM
Is Roy even capable of boxing out?!!

I can't believe how bad Roy is. He didn't even turn around to rebound the ball. How does that even happen?

Nuntius
12-01-2012, 01:10 AM
No kidding. He finally scored then promptly bricked the FT.

His shot is just not there tonight. He has only scored on a lay-up and a dunk.

CoolHand
12-01-2012, 01:10 AM
Yep game over, good try Sacramento you still suck.

was that supposed be green? it seems far from over...

CableKC
12-01-2012, 01:12 AM
Yep game over, good try Sacramento you still suck.
There's still 3 minutes left in the game and the Pacers are only up by 4 :shrug:

Nuntius
12-01-2012, 01:12 AM
Is Roy even capable of boxing out?!!

In general? Yes.

Against Cousins? Doesn't seem so.

CoolHand
12-01-2012, 01:13 AM
west in beast mode

Nuntius
12-01-2012, 01:13 AM
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeest :happydanc:happydanc:happydanc

CableKC
12-01-2012, 01:13 AM
His shot is just not there tonight. He has only scored on a lay-up and a dunk.
Yeah...he better figure it out by tomorrow....I want to see a win tomorrow!

vnzla81
12-01-2012, 01:13 AM
Nothing is over yet. Don't jinx it, please :(

Cousins is going to help us win this just watch.

CableKC
12-01-2012, 01:14 AM
Young!!!

Crow tasting great now.

CoolHand
12-01-2012, 01:14 AM
Sam!

Nuntius
12-01-2012, 01:14 AM
Sam ****ING Young :happydanc:happydanc:happydanc

LucasRL13
12-01-2012, 01:14 AM
Young is our best bench player by far....

Nuntius
12-01-2012, 01:15 AM
Cousins is going to help us win this just watch.

And he commits offensive interference ;)

CableKC
12-01-2012, 01:15 AM
Wow.....West is unstoppable now.

rock747
12-01-2012, 01:15 AM
Where would this team be without David West?

vnzla81
12-01-2012, 01:16 AM
Ok game over David West is the man.

Nuntius
12-01-2012, 01:16 AM
And once again, David West :happydanc

Thank you, sir.

CableKC
12-01-2012, 01:16 AM
Do you see some Pacer fan behind the announces box holding up a Pacers jersey?

I'm guessing that has to be someone from PD.

LG33
12-01-2012, 01:17 AM
Marcus Thornton needs to smile more.

LucasRL13
12-01-2012, 01:18 AM
David West deserve the All Star game no DOUBT

CableKC
12-01-2012, 01:18 AM
Where would this team be without David West?
Breaking ground on a new Arena in LV?

CableKC
12-01-2012, 01:18 AM
I see Seth behind Vogel....his goatee made it on camera.

EDIT....the whole PD contingent is sitting in right behind Vogel.

Sollozzo
12-01-2012, 01:18 AM
Denari just gave a shout out to Seth and Gnome.

LG33
12-01-2012, 01:19 AM
Who is clutch enough to hit the 'throws?

vnzla81
12-01-2012, 01:19 AM
Do you see some Pacer fan behind the announces box holding up a Pacers jersey?

I'm guessing that has to be someone from PD.

Yeah they are talking about them on tv right now, the guy that's salivating while watching West is Seth.

vnzla81
12-01-2012, 01:19 AM
Who is clutch enough to hit the 'throws?

Hibbert ..

beast23
12-01-2012, 01:20 AM
Do you see some Pacer fan behind the announces box holding up a Pacers jersey?

I'm guessing that has to be someone from PD.
Looks like Gnome, NaptownSeth and Pacero get a little love from the announcers.

God job guys.

Lance George
12-01-2012, 01:21 AM
http://oi45.tinypic.com/2qn7509.jpg

AesopRockOn
12-01-2012, 01:22 AM
Not calling the technical paid off for the refs who for some reason want an overtime.

LG33
12-01-2012, 01:22 AM
True or False: Frank Vogel doesn't get the respect from referees that he deserves.

Nuntius
12-01-2012, 01:22 AM
I'd prefer 2/2 here but I'll take the 1/2.

Just guard the 3 point line, please.

vnzla81
12-01-2012, 01:23 AM
I expect a play call for Cousins and him throwing it away.

Hoop
12-01-2012, 01:23 AM
George Hill deserves All-star consideration, David West better be inWest, he really has been playing at a All-Star level. Hill has been great, maybe our MVP, but stat wize he has little chance. We'll have to have a really good record for either to make the all star game though.

Nuntius
12-01-2012, 01:24 AM
Good job, guys.

However, if I want to be completely honest that was a pretty bad take by Thornton.

vnzla81
12-01-2012, 01:25 AM
I guess we are not the only ones that suck at calling last second plays :laugh:

CableKC
12-01-2012, 01:25 AM
http://oi45.tinypic.com/2qn7509.jpg
Is that El Pacero "unmasked"?

Geez....it's like living in Gotham City and finding out that Bruce Wayne is Batman.

Frostwolf
12-01-2012, 01:25 AM
that was a truly horrible shot by thornton

Pingu
12-01-2012, 01:25 AM
.500!

Eleazar
12-01-2012, 01:25 AM
27 assists

LG33
12-01-2012, 01:25 AM
West, he really has been playing at a All-Star level. Hill has been great, maybe our MVP, but stat wize he has little chance. We'll have to have a really good record for either to make the all star game though.

Neither are getting the fan vote, so they only have to impress opposing coaches. If either puts together a string of games like this, their chances will certainly skyrocket.

vnzla81
12-01-2012, 01:26 AM
Is that El Pacero "unmasked"?

Geez....it's like living in Gotham City and finding out that Bruce Wayne is Batman.

El Pacero is on the other side by Sacramento's basket.

greyhound80
12-01-2012, 01:27 AM
P George 2-11
Lance 0-3
Green 1-5

3-19 from those guys. That is really pathetic. Thank god for West and Hill. West made some incredibly tough shots.

gummy
12-01-2012, 01:27 AM
Good thing they missed that shot because the foul before the inbounds miss was horrible. I was going to throw a big fit if we had to go into overtime.

Eleazar
12-01-2012, 01:28 AM
1 TO in the second half

CableKC
12-01-2012, 01:29 AM
27 assists, 9 TOs and 42% shooting from the Kings
Fixed. :dance:

beast23
12-01-2012, 01:29 AM
Thank god for West and Hill. West made some incredibly tough shots.

True. But it was Young who gave us something totally unexpected tonight.

vnzla81
12-01-2012, 01:29 AM
Good win but a team that's supposed to be a contender should not be this close to a team as bad as Sacramento without their best player, I still want to see the Pacers against a good team to see how they do.

CableKC
12-01-2012, 01:30 AM
El Pacero is on the other side by Sacramento's basket.
Okay...good....I still don't want to know what he looks like...keep the mystery going. To paraphrase "The Dark Knight Rises", El Pacero can be anyone.

Eleazar
12-01-2012, 01:30 AM
Good win but a team that's supposed to be a contender should not be this close to a team as bad as Sacramento without their best player, I still want to see the Pacers against a good team to see how they do.

That wasn't Cousins out there?

vnzla81
12-01-2012, 01:31 AM
@1070Bruno: Is it too early to wonder if Pacers plan to give West a max deal next July? Or to wonder what will happen if they don't?

A max deal? What's that like 20mil? I hope they don't do that.

vnzla81
12-01-2012, 01:33 AM
That wasn't Cousins out there?

Evans to me is still their best player, Cousins is good but he does as much good as he does bad.

greyhound80
12-01-2012, 01:35 AM
This team absolutely, without a doubt, must get some bench help. Preferably a shooter!

Nuntius
12-01-2012, 01:36 AM
That wasn't Cousins out there?

Eh, it's a coin flip. At this point I don't even think that they know if they have a best player.

Tyreke seems to be the face of the franchise, Cousins seems to be a focal point as well but yet they are giving most last shots to Thornton.

Justin Tyme
12-01-2012, 01:37 AM
True. But it was Young who gave us something totally unexpected tonight.

I personally felt Augustin had a nice game too. He hit some baskets and took a charge. His "D" looked fairly decent too.

pizza guy
12-01-2012, 01:39 AM
Nice to see PD get some air time today!

Good win. DWest must have women lining up to have his babies. He is a man's man and his play this year is making me strongly consider re-signing him at the end of the year. And the contract we gave Hill doesn't look so bad after game-winners and big shots like the last couple of games.

Is it too soon to start the "Free Sam Young" campaign? Great effort from him.

Justin Tyme
12-01-2012, 01:40 AM
A max deal? What's that like 20mil? I hope they don't do that.

If DWest continues this type of season, I'm not sure the Pacers will be able to afford to re-sign him.

vnzla81
12-01-2012, 01:42 AM
If DWest continues this type of season, I'm not sure the Pacers will be able to afford to re-sign him.

I agree and I hope they don't resigning him for that kind of money, way too much for a guy that old.

Naptown_Seth
12-01-2012, 05:08 AM
http://oi45.tinypic.com/2qn7509.jpg
2 of the Fresno 4 - guy in duck shirt and guy in black shirt behind me. I'm sitting in typical worried fashion, even though we basically had it by this point.

Ace E.Anderson
12-01-2012, 11:32 AM
Good win but a team that's supposed to be a contender should not be this close to a team as bad as Sacramento without their best player, I still want to see the Pacers against a good team to see how they do.

We just beat the Lakers, and hung with the Spurs for the duration of the game. We are BARELY viewed as a contender WITH Danny, and we are just now somewhat hitting our stride without him.

Also the Hear just struggled to beat the Spurs without their 6 best players (the 4 that Pop sat, and the 2 that're injured)

At this point we are happy to get W's

BlueCollarColts
12-01-2012, 11:44 AM
Good win but a team that's supposed to be a contender should not be this close to a team as bad as Sacramento without their best player, I still want to see the Pacers against a good team to see how they do.
first off we are without Granger als, we have won 5 of our last 7 games, and should be on a 5 game win streak had we not choked against San Antonio, Golden State is a good team (9-6 record), good test for us. I do think we can be dangerous in the playoffs with Granger back. We have found one positive though. All the analysts say we don't have a go to player. David West and George Hill are both great at getting buckets when needed, in a clutch situation just give it to one of them and get out of their way

Hicks
12-01-2012, 11:52 AM
Right. Good teams never lose to or struggle with inferior teams. That's not the NBA I know. :rolleyes:

vnzla81
12-01-2012, 02:05 PM
Here are Mark Montieth's comments from last night game he is 100% righf, if you don't like his comments send him an email..



@MarkMontieth: David West and Roy Hibbert are kind of cancelling out one another so far. That's why the Pacers are 8-8.

@MarkMontieth: Pacers have won 4 of 5. But 6 of 8 wins have come against last-place teams and they have yet to beat team with a winning record as of now.



Yep he is just a Pacers hater and a contrarian, I repeat again if you don't like his comments send him an email.

docpaul
12-05-2012, 10:11 AM
Please, please, please Lord.... help Paul George put it all together... he's got the capability of being really special.

Thanks for listening to my prayer, Lord. I will continue to pray routinely for this. :)