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BlueCollarColts
11-24-2012, 05:25 PM
thread on what line-up changes you think the Pacers should use. Here is mine
PG- Lance Stephenson 6'5
SG- Sam Young 6'6 read paragraph about why to start him
SF- Paul George 6'10
PF- David West 6'9
C- Roy Hibbert 7'2
Bench
PG- D.J. Augustin
SG- George Hill
SF- Gerald Green
PF- Tyler Hansbrough
C- Ian Mahinmi

Yes, I think the Pacers should start Stephenson at point. This needs to be his team for us to compete for a championship. Here comes the part I think most of you will disagree with, I would start Sam Young. Yes, Hill is better and I get that, but wasn't Harden better than Seflosha (probably spelled it wrong) wasn't Jason Terry better than the Mavs SG. Yes, I think Hill should finish games out with the starters but I think the bench needs another scoring option and Hill can give them that. I say play him 32 min a game like normal, just bring him in off the bench. BTW I listed the height of the starters so you can see how big our starters would be, tough to guard.

xtacy
11-24-2012, 05:28 PM
Yes, I think the Pacers should start Stephenson at point. This needs to be his team for us to compete for a championship.

not sure if serious.

BlueCollarColts
11-24-2012, 05:38 PM
not sure if serious.
Paul George isn't leading them there, Danny Granger isn't. Stephenson has the highest cieling on the team. Yes I am serious, he can probably be our best player and can create his own shot, he is the only one who can. We talked about how if we are to compete for a championship, it is based on Paul George's development into a star, well Stephenson has a better shot than him

CJ Jones
11-24-2012, 06:21 PM
I doubt BlueCollarColts meant we could win a championship with that lineup this year. I think he meant down the line we need a guy with Lance like talents to compete with the best, might as well see if he can be our guy. That's basically what we Lance fans have said for years.

Here's my lineup:

Lance
Hill
George
West
Hibbert

Green
DJ
Ian
Tyler

Young would be my defensive specialist to play when needed

I still don't care for the Tyler/West front court, and despite how much better Tyler's D and rebounding has been so far he's still terrible on offense. I'd rather see Ian get Tyler's minutes playing alongside West. We need the guys we signed to play more like we thought they would or were in trouble.

BlueCollarColts
11-24-2012, 06:35 PM
I doubt BlueCollarColts meant we could win a championship with that lineup this year. I think he meant down the line we need a guy with Lance like talents to compete with the best, might as well see if he can be our guy. That's basically what we Lance fans have said for years.Here's my lineup:

Lance
Hill
George
West
Hibbert

Green
DJ
Ian
Tyler

Young would be my defensive specialist to play when needed

I still don't care for the Tyler/West front court, and despite how much better Tyler's D and rebounding has been so far he's still terrible on offense. I'd rather see Ian get Tyler's minutes playing alongside West. We need the guys we signed to play more like we thought they would or were in trouble.

Exactly what I was saying, in a few years I think Lance will be our guy. He attacks the rim like all stars in this league does, can create his own shot, and has developed a nice outside game to go along with it. I think Lance and Paul can be considered to be a scary back court, like Deron Williams and Joe Johnson are now

cdash
11-24-2012, 06:50 PM
My lineup is the lineup that is starting right now. The problem isn't the makeup of the starting lineup. Lance is not the answer--yet. Forcing him to be something he's not is not beneficial for anyone.

ReginaldWayne
11-24-2012, 07:24 PM
I doubt BlueCollarColts meant we could win a championship with that lineup this year. I think he meant down the line we need a guy with Lance like talents to compete with the best, might as well see if he can be our guy. That's basically what we Lance fans have said for years.

Here's my lineup:

Lance
Hill
George
West
Hibbert

Green
DJ
Ian
Tyler

Young would be my defensive specialist to play when needed

I still don't care for the Tyler/West front court, and despite how much better Tyler's D and rebounding has been so far he's still terrible on offense. I'd rather see Ian get Tyler's minutes playing alongside West. We need the guys we signed to play more like we thought they would or were in trouble.

So your line up is our line up..

BlueCollarColts
11-24-2012, 08:56 PM
So your line up is our line up..

he moved Hill to shooting guard and made Lance point guard

CJ Jones
11-24-2012, 09:16 PM
... and benched Young although I'd rather bench DJ or Green honestly.

1984
11-24-2012, 10:09 PM
Trade everyone for Lance Stephenson and O.J. Mayo.

BlueCollarColts
11-25-2012, 12:13 AM
Trade everyone for Lance Stephenson and O.J. Mayo.
so we are going to trade everyone for a player on our team? lol

yoadknux
11-25-2012, 05:51 AM
How are we going to contend for a championship with Lance at the point, come on man. We don't have the talent to contend for a championship, might as well start our $8m/year point guard and hope that with enough minutes he could develop some consistency. Based on his latest play Lance is worthy of expanded minutes but don't get any high hopes

PGisthefuture
11-25-2012, 07:50 AM
My hopes for Lance aren't that high, they never have been. In fact I think he's basically already exceeded my hopes for him. Of course, I would love for him to become an All-Star type player down the road, but I'm not expecting it at all. I love the fact that he's expanding his game, I just don't think it's time to start giving him the reigns or anything of that nature.

And don't get me wrong here, I'm no Lance hater. I love to watch guys like Lance go to work. All the flash and nice finishes, heck, I think he could be compared to a poor man's Iverson.

D-BONE
11-25-2012, 08:18 AM
Don't think there's much to be gained by rearranging a player here or there from starter to bench or position to position. Does not trump the bigger issue of our overall talent. Put them in whatever combination you want. Can't overcome the collective ability, strength, and weakness. It is what it is.

Apparently in SA odd thoughts it's "ignorant" to hold the opinion Green does not significantly impact games. The support for that assertion is the whopping 8 pts and 3 rebds season average in 24 minutes per. In the last week he's only getting 17 mins per, which tells me the coaching staff is not pleased/confident in what he's doing.

At some point, there were posters here who thought he could be a sixth man of the year candidate type. Maybe this is a case of having overinflated expectations, but I don't think there's any strong argument that he's exerting a significant positive influence on our overall play.

I hope his play improves and he can provide us double figures in the second unit with some 3 point success. However, in watching him so far, I see no other area in which stands out. So, we're essentially talking a one-dimensional player who seemingly will consistently inspire nervousness with decision making, defense, etc.

vnzla81
11-25-2012, 08:54 AM
We should start Plumlee and Lance, they are future superstars, get it done Walsh!!!

Cousy47
11-25-2012, 09:54 AM
I doubt BlueCollarColts meant we could win a championship with that lineup this year. I think he meant down the line we need a guy with Lance like talents to compete with the best, might as well see if he can be our guy. That's basically what we Lance fans have said for years.

Here's my lineup:

Lance
Hill
George
West
Hibbert

Green
DJ
Ian
Tyler

Young would be my defensive specialist to play when needed

I still don't care for the Tyler/West front court, and despite how much better Tyler's D and rebounding has been so far he's still terrible on offense. I'd rather see Ian get Tyler's minutes playing alongside West. We need the guys we signed to play more like we thought they would or were in trouble.
So you want to basically bench Tyler and give his minutes to Ian? I think the Ps will let him have time until the trade deadline at AS game time, then use him as part of a trade package. I don't have a lot of confidence in IM yet. He seems to have stone hands and is a foul magnet.

MvPlumlee
11-25-2012, 02:27 PM
DJ Augustin
George Hill
Paul George
David West
Ian Mahinmi

First substitutes: Stephenson and Hibbert
Second substitutes: Hansbrough and Green
Young when he is needed.

Make scoring easier for both Georges and West with DJ starting and use Mahinmi to fix the pick and roll defense. Push the tempo.
Let Hibbert enter when players are a bit tired and moving slower. Stephenson can pass it to Roy or try to create his own shot like a sixth man would do.

CJ Jones
11-26-2012, 01:27 AM
So you want to basically bench Tyler and give his minutes to Ian? I think the Ps will let him have time until the trade deadline at AS game time, then use him as part of a trade package. I don't have a lot of confidence in IM yet. He seems to have stone hands and is a foul magnet.

Not completely bench him. I'd only play him with Ian or Hibbert, though.

Starting Lance at PG may be too much. I was thinking about this bench lineup if DJ doesn't start playing better consistently:

Lance
Green
Young
Tyler
Ian

Could be interesting, nice mix of offense and defense. We could pull Lance early like we have been, but instead of waiting 12 minutes to put him back in (:rolleyes:) we could sub him in for Hill. I think Lance could handle most backup PG defensively, but if he does struggle I don't see why we couldn't throw Young on the PG and let Lance defend the stronger of the 2 wings players. That might be a good idea anyway. Young's length at the point of attack could really disrupt an offense.

Cousy47
11-26-2012, 11:18 AM
Would be interesting to say the least. However, who would be the steadying influence in thes group when they started to play out of control and throwing the ball away, dribbling off their own foot and throwing the pass into the crowd? How about the earlier idea of putting Roy with this group for when there isn't a chance to run?

Steagles
11-26-2012, 08:23 PM
Lance at 1/Hill/ Augustin/Johnson
Hill at 2/ PG/Johnson
PG/Green/Young/Johnson
West/Hans/Plumlee/Pendergraph/Mahinmi
Hibby/Mahinmi/Plumlee/Pendy