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Cousy47
11-24-2012, 10:48 AM
Can some one explain where Tyler's open jump shot went awry? I seem to remember that shot as being money for the first season and 1/2, now suddenly he cannot buy one. I'm not referring to forced, defended shots, just the wide open PnP from the free throw line and circle. Mystery to me, but I'm not an expert on shooting. Can Keller not help him with his shot?

count55
11-24-2012, 11:25 AM
It's been erratic for most of his career. He had one good stretch in Mar/April 2011, but other than that it's been unreliable.

Part of it is decisiveness. He is much more effective when he just catches and shoots. When he dithers, it exaggerates his mechanical flaws.

The mechanical flaw is that his release is disconnected from his motion. He puts a lot - too much - jump in to his jump shot. Perversely, he gets almost no legs into his release. He catches, turns, jumps really high (for a jump shot form), but his elbows are up and bent as he does this. When he reaches the top of his jump, he shoots almost entirely from his elbows and wrists. It's as if he can only move one half of his body at a time. The first half of the shot is all legs, the second half all arms.

It's like he's trying to time the shot release in a video game. The big jump does nothing for the power of the shot, so he has to put more through the arms. As a result, the entire platform is less stable, and he doesn't consistently convert on his jumpers.

Edit: As to Keller helping him, I assume he works with him. I also think that this is something Tyler has been doing for a very long time, and Tyler isn't a guy that seems long on the ability to break well-entrenched bad habits.

Hicks
11-24-2012, 11:36 AM
Do you then think he might eventually improve if he converted that into a set shot?

count55
11-24-2012, 11:44 AM
Do you then think he might eventually improve if he converted that into a set shot?

Maybe not a set shot.

Last year, I would go out a couple hours before the games, and watch guys shoot. Lance was somebody who was out there a lot, and he actually would hit his threes and jumpers pretty consistently. Then in the games, he would put about 6 inches more hop into his shots, and couldn't hit the broadside of a barn. He's settled that down, but that was a situational mechanical glitch, as opposed to a foundational one.

Tyler doesn't necessarily have to take jump out, but he does need to work the timing better. Will he ever do it? Maybe, but I doubt it. I think Tyler is just Tyler.

Johanvil
11-24-2012, 12:15 PM
Yeah i have noticed that too.It's not only off but most of the time waaaaaaay off.He has been very good in other departments though this season.

diamonddave00
11-25-2012, 10:17 AM
The entire basic shot form is bad, even when he has time he rushes the shot and doesn't follow thru correctly its never been a fluid shot. With Keller in practice he may do everything right but in games he reverts to old habits. We'll never see a consistant 15-18 foot shot from Tyler, he'll have his on nights but he'll have his 1 for 9 nights too often too. He is what he is an under 40% shooter from outside 7 feet.

JEM
11-25-2012, 02:42 PM
It is strange for him to shoot free throws as well as he does and struggle with open looks on jumpers. His form is the same which is actually pretty good... The only difference is the big jump.

Ace E.Anderson
11-25-2012, 03:36 PM
The thing that sucks about Hans is he's either a player that scores and doesn't defend or rebound, or a player that defends or rebounds, but can't score. If he could ever do all three consistently, he would be a great bench player because the energy and effort is there every game.

I remember the days where that pick and pop between Tyler and DC was a money play. Man that seems so long ago lol

pacer4ever
11-25-2012, 03:49 PM
Maybe not a set shot.

Last year, I would go out a couple hours before the games, and watch guys shoot. Lance was somebody who was out there a lot, and he actually would hit his threes and jumpers pretty consistently. Then in the games, he would put about 6 inches more hop into his shots, and couldn't hit the broadside of a barn. He's settled that down, but that was a situational mechanical glitch, as opposed to a foundational one.

Tyler doesn't necessarily have to take jump out, but he does need to work the timing better. Will he ever do it? Maybe, but I doubt it. I think Tyler is just Tyler.

I noticed that about Lance too. I never understood why in shootaround he would shoot almost a set shot and in the game he would jump so much on his j. It almost seemed counter productive to pratice if you don't pratice like you play. I haven't watched him in pee game shootaround since last year. But his in game shots he doesn't jump like he use to except for pull ups. Which is probablly why his jumper is do much better.

Hicks
11-25-2012, 04:32 PM
I haven't watched him in pee game shootaround since last year.

:-o

Cousy47
11-25-2012, 05:11 PM
It is strange for him to shoot free throws as well as he does and struggle with open looks on jumpers. His form is the same which is actually pretty good... The only difference is the big jump.

That's about what I was thinking when I started this thread. Tyler's form and delivery on his free throw is pretty, about a 88 percent shooter. Why he would feel it necessary to use a huge jump on an open shot is strange. If the set shot goes in, it's the same 2 points. Somebody tweet the boy! What's the worst thing that could happen? Miss the shot?

Sandman21
11-25-2012, 07:00 PM
:-o

Now we know where that restraining order for P4E came from.....:laugh:

Constellations
11-25-2012, 07:39 PM
Is broken.

McKeyFan
11-26-2012, 12:08 PM
I'm cynical that a guy over 25 can really improve his shot all that much.

Also, how the heck did he score so much in college with that shot? Surely he must have shot a better percentage in college.

Naptown_Seth
11-26-2012, 12:40 PM
He is what he is an under 40% shooter from outside 7 feet.
And inside 7 feet too, and that's not all that sarcastic.

First off he doesn't shoot mostly jumpers, he's 50-50 with inside scoring and jumpers. If it were not for the dunks he would be at 44% on "inside" shooting. 82Games has him taking 51% of his shots at jumpers, 49% inside.

His eFG%
Jumpers 31.3% (seriously, unacceptable)
Close 45.0%
Dunk 83.3% (dunks at 83%...the other 17% - BLOCKED DUNKS)
Tips 40% (there's your offensive rebounding at work)



Also, how the heck did he score so much in college with that shot? Surely he must have shot a better percentage in college.
He averaged about 7 points a game from the FT line (34% of total points), a far higher PCT than any other traditional NCAA PotY type of frontline player. Duncan, for example, only scored 24.5% of his NCAA points from the FT Line. Larry Bird score 19% of his points from the line, and he was known as a great FT shooter and for being crafty at drawing fouls. Barkley was an undersized PF and put up 21% of his points from the line.

So all the ways in which you'd look at Tyler, keeping him in the company of elite NCAA frontline scorers that were big, undersized, fundamental, whatever, none of those comparisons shows the reliance on the FT line that Tyler did.

I made this point around the draft, the point that Tyler did not show a great arsenal of scoring moves at UNC and that he relied on the FT line. He did then what he does now, bulled around and got fouls or ugly scores AND often got scores very early in the possession because UNC loved to push it up and put the ball in his hands in the low post before the other team had gotten back. This led to lots of And-1 scores at the rim.


Where I was really wrong about Tyler was that I predicted he would not be able to draw fouls in the NBA the way he did in college, but he obviously does that just as well as he always did. In fact in nearly every way Tyler looks identical to his final 3 years at UNC.

MyFavMartin
11-26-2012, 12:51 PM
He needs to bend his knees. It's like a shot-put.