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avoidingtheclowns
11-21-2012, 12:20 PM
HOW HARD COULD
IT BEES?




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Game Time Start: 7:00 PM EST
Where: The Fieldhouse, Indianapolis, IN
Officials: M. Callahan, L. Richardson, H. Workman

Media Notes: Indiana Notes (http://www.nba.com/gamenotes/pacers.pdf), New Orleans Notes (http://www.nba.com/gamenotes/hornets.pdf)
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Season Records: (W-L)




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West: 2-2</center>



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http://i49.tinypic.com/e1589d.png<center>Away: 1-2
East: 2-3</center>

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http://www.nba.com/tvc/image/assets/wordmarks/IND_wordmark.png Projected Starting Lineup:



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<center>HIBBERT</center>
<center>WEST</center>
<center>GEORGE</center>
<center>STEPHENSON</center>
<center>HILL</center>



http://www.nba.com/tvc/image/assets/wordmarks/NOH_wordmark.png Projected Starting Lineup:



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<center>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/ryan_anderson.jpg</center>
<center>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/al-farouq_aminu.jpg</center>
<center>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/austin_rivers.jpg</center>
<center>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/greivis_vasquez.jpg</center>


<center>LOPEZ</center>
<center>ANDERSON</center>
<center>AMINU</center>
<center>RIVERS</center>
<center>VASQUEZ</center>

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PACERS
Danny Granger - left knee tendinosis (out)
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HORNETS
Anthony Davis - stress reaction left ankle (doubtful)
Eric Gordon - sore right knee (out)



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Minimally Relevant Video:



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Semi-Relevant Video:



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Small Market Mondays #3: 808s and Bobcats

Buon giorno, friends! I'm in an absolutely ecstatic mood this morning, because two of
my absolute favorite NBA-related things happened this week. First, the Pacers broke
yet another record by showing those rambunctious big market Canadian rapscallions
that there actually is another facet to this wonderful game called "defense". But that
wasn't even the biggest news this week (and honestly, with the sheer number of
records the Pacers break, when is it?) -- there was also a blockbuster trade which
shocked both the championship picture and our entire beloved league to its very core!

To summarize the trade that fantasy GMs across Arkansas are still talking about in
hushed whispers, the Bobcats shipped out legendary sharpshooter Matt Carroll for
2003 NCAA champion Hakim Warrick. Yeah, I know. You've probably been completely
over-exposed to all the various in-and-outs of the Hakim Warrick/Matt Carroll trade.
Happens. But kindly lend me your ears for a second, as I've fired up ye olde Synergy
Sports machine to help you understand it even better. In case you're unfamiliar with
Synergy, it's some sort of computer-internet wizardry where you type in a player's
name and it tells you all these fantastical things about numbers and "statistics" and
liberal mumbo-jumbo like that. Now friends, I have to give you a disclaimer: math
isn't exactly my strong suit. But you're going to have to bear with me here.

The first thing that stood out to me is Warrick's career 49.4% shooting percentage --
that means if he take 10 shots then there is a very good chance that he'll make at
least 2 of them. Cowabunga! However, something else caught my eye: when taking
the opposing defender to the rack off his patented bicycle kick slide-dribble spin move,
Hakim Warrick scores a sizzling 2.7 points per possession! On the other hand, Matt
Carroll is a very respectable 38.4% three point shooter over his career. But you need
to unskew those numbers, compadres! Because that's his three pointer percentage,
you need to multiply it by 3 to get his "true" shooting percentage, which comes out to
a super rad 109.7% true shooting rate! WOW! And how can we forget about his
defense? In Matt Carroll's career as a lockdown defender, opponents who suffer from
fatal cardiomyopathy while taking a shot against Carroll have shot 0-50 against him,
and rumor has it that at least five of them tragically passed away after being faced
with Carroll's bruising defense back in his no-good hooligan high school days.

In the end, it's a style change for both teams, but one of those rare win-win
blockbusters that everyone can feel happy about. Phenomenal trade.


READ MORE AT GOTHIC GINOBILI (http://gothicginobili.com/?p=5135)



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At the Hive:




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Where the Commish was Needed Badly

In what is a recurring theme in the "Gordon-less" era of the Hornets, the team couldn't
close out their opponent or complete their comeback because they lacked thet proverbial
"end of shot clock" player. We have that, in theory. Problem is, he's (hopefully) rehabbing
his busted knees in LA.

After Anthony Davis converted two and-1s on consecutive possessions (one of them an
awkward floater), the Hornets were able to creep to within two. Sadly, it was right around
this time that the Hornets needed Gordon. The offense sputtered, and the team needed
someone who could easily break down the defense create good scoring opportunities for
the team.

Vasquez wasn't going to be that guy -- he usually needs 2-3 screens just to get to the free
throw line extended. Even still, he has to time his motion so that the second screen hits
the defender exactly right to free him. Mason and Aminu certainly weren't going to be
those guys. Neither of those players has any discernible weapons in half court sets.

Ryan Anderson has shown a propensity to drive well to the rim following a shot fake after
a flash to the three point line. Sadly, this really isn't a dependable "end of the shot clock"
play.

In all honesty, Anthony Davis was our best bet at creating a shot 1-on-1. He could take
either Udoh or Sanders on dribble drives off the high post.

What we saw however was Vasquez struggling to find space to drive. He would find a
slivervof space (trailed by a stalking Udoh) where he flipped a high arcing layup that
looked more like a pass to a wide open Anderson below than a shot attempt. Anderson
saved the day with a two handed push tip to cut the lead to 2 again. This was after Ellis
hit a 22 foot two point jumper, a win for the defense -- it's a 22 foot two point jumper,
it's early in the shot clock, Ellis was making 33% of his shots from that range for the
season and has been historically around that percentage for his career, and he was up
to that point in the game, 1-4 from that range.

Of course, Ellis went on to make another contested fade-away to the left, one footed,
swishing it right through the rim. It was as if Ellis had suddenly activated the "closer"
signature style (in NBA 2K) where his 17-23 foot shot attribute was supposed to be 70
but sky rocketed to 95.

The Hornets would only score 3 more points -- Ryan Anderson's fadeaway cut the deficit
to 2. More importantly, had Gordon been playing, we wouldn't have needed Anderson to
create his own shot after the jumper from Ellis. Gordon could have answered right back.

What can we pickup from this game?

1.) Vasquez for all his ability to run an offense and to orchestrate a fastbreak cannot
defend quick PGs. (Way to go Sherlock!). I think that was painfully obvious from the
start, but it was made more apparent in the last 2 games. Russell Westbrook and
Brandon Jennings were able to consistently get to the basket and wreak havoc.

2.) Hornets will have a hard time playing against good 3 PT shooting teams. OKC and
MIL rank highly in 3 PT% with OKC clocking in at 3rd with 41% and MIL at 13th with
36.2%. Here is a breakdown of our last 8 opponents 3PT eFG% (rank), their average
3PTA, their actual 3PTA against us and the game result.


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As you can see, in all 8 games, we forced our opponents to shoot more than their
average amount of 3s. The point margin against teams that are above average in eFG?
A whopping -9.5. Against teams that are below average? +3.25. Considering the fact
that most (if not all) of the top tier teams - namely MIA, NYK, OKC, SAS, LAC, MEM and
MIL - are all above average in 3 PT eFG, then I think this is a strategy that will make us
lose a LOT of games against top tier teams, and it's pretty clear that this is not a
strategy that should be in place when we decide to be contenders.

3.) The Anderson/Davis tandem? It can work. I especially love the Vasquez/Anderson/
Davis Screen-the-Screener action late in the 4th (especially if you replace Vasquez with
Gordon). If I remember correctly, Anderson would get a down screen from Davis from
the left baseline (facing the basket) and immediately set a screen for Vasquez. This play
actually resulted in a quite a few scoring opportunities. It resulted in a good drive for
Vasquez (ending in a wide open Anderson tipping the ball), it resulted in an and-1 basket
for Davis at the baseline (after a screen), and it also ended with a 3 PT for Anderson. If
Davis can bulk up without sacrificing precious agility, speed and leaping ability, hat duo
will have more success than any other big man combination we have.

4.) Anthony Davis is more polished offensively than defensively. I'll be completely honest
- I'm underwhelmed by Davis' defensive contributions. He hasn't been the patrol man that
I expected him to be. I expected our D with AD on the court to be stifling -- defenders
track their assignments, they know where to go, and offensive players are funneled into
the waiting embrace of Anthony Davis' pterodactyl arms. Sadly, this has not been the case.
Anthony Davis has been more role player than leader on the defensive end. He's late on
rotations, he gets caugh...CONTINUE READING AT AT THE HIVE (http://www.atthehive.com/2012/11/19/3664050/where-forth-thou-eric-gordon)

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Jared Wade @8pts9secs (https://twitter.com/#!/8pts9secs)
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Trader Joe
11-21-2012, 12:28 PM
I was really hoping for Wicker Man for the Minimally Relevant Video.

Sparhawk
11-21-2012, 12:33 PM
Davis probably won't play with that ankle stress fracture.

No Davis, no Gordon. It'll be so lame if the Pacers don't win big.

Mr_Smith
11-21-2012, 01:00 PM
No excuses for losing this game tonight

LoneGranger33
11-21-2012, 01:37 PM
The Hornets have garnered a lot of buzz this year, but if we lose to them at home, it's really going to sting.

xtacy
11-21-2012, 02:12 PM
another "we can't lose to that lineup, can we?" game.

avoidingtheclowns
11-21-2012, 02:19 PM
The Hornets have garnered a lot of buzz this year, but if we lose to them at home, it's really going to sting.

I'd be careful, LG33. PDers are likely to swarm if you drone on like that.

But, phero my mone-y your puns are the apis mellifera's knees.

avoidingtheclowns
11-21-2012, 02:21 PM
I was really hoping for Wicker Man for the Minimally Relevant Video.

I live to disappoint.

TMJ31
11-21-2012, 02:32 PM
Going to be out today and will miss the game live. Will definitely watch it over LP Broadband replay once I get home though!

:gopacers:

Dukins
11-21-2012, 04:18 PM
Oops thought this was guess the score lol :laugh:

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 05:08 PM
Let's hope for a W and a nice performance :)

Eddie Gill
11-21-2012, 05:12 PM
This will be my first game of the season. Kinda bummed I'll miss seeing Davis in person, but pumped nonetheless.

vnzla81
11-21-2012, 05:14 PM
Kind of sucks I was too busy to go meet my guy Greivis Vasquez again :(

vnzla81
11-21-2012, 05:19 PM
This NO team is not that bad either they have some nice young pieces, Aminu is finally looking decent, Vasquez, Davis, Lopez, Rivers, Anderson, etc.

Their offense is also pretty good, they run a lot of screens, they are fun to watch.

Heisenberg
11-21-2012, 05:24 PM
Hakeem Lite gonna miss this one with the bum ankle?

LoneGranger33
11-21-2012, 05:54 PM
I'd be careful, LG33. PDers are likely to swarm if you drone on like that.

But, phero my mone-y your puns are the apis mellifera's knees.

If I didn't break out in hives this morning, I'd be at the game sporting my yellow jacket. I guess it's supposed to be Pacers gold, but it definitely looks yellow.

Hypnotiq
11-21-2012, 06:15 PM
Everyone will see how awful austin rivers is he's like the new Jordan Crawford aka blackhole.

Trophy
11-21-2012, 06:23 PM
We must dominate and take advantage inside. Roy and DWest could be in for an encore tonight with Anthony Davis out.

I expect us to crush these guys, but many unexpected misfortunes have occurred thus far so who knows?

:gopacers:

Sparhawk
11-21-2012, 06:23 PM
Everyone will see how awful austin rivers is he's like the new Jordan Crawford aka blackhole.

Which pretty much means he's going to go off on the Pacers.

I do agree that Rivers just isn't very good.

Heisenberg
11-21-2012, 06:35 PM
West defending Ryan Anderson is probably going to be a problem

vnzla81
11-21-2012, 06:35 PM
Everyone will see how awful austin rivers is he's like the new Jordan Crawford aka blackhole.

Yeah just watch him taking the ball from Vasquez so he can jack up some shot, he is a buzz killer too.

Romsey31
11-21-2012, 07:12 PM
Hold the ball guys

Dece
11-21-2012, 07:12 PM
Too slow Roy... make your move faster.

Dr. Awesome
11-21-2012, 07:14 PM
Did anyone notice how Roy say back after that block?

He sat there and did a little intimidation look before running down the court. I could be wrong, but I don't see Roy of past doing that. It seems like a silly thing to criticize, but Roy in the past was getting back on offense. Roy now seems comfortable not giving it 100%, pulling the old JO of trying for some of the game and not for others.

Dr. Awesome
11-21-2012, 07:15 PM
I wanna take the leash of Stephenson for 1 game and see the result.

Hypnotiq
11-21-2012, 07:17 PM
stupid foul PG let him have the dunk

Dr. Awesome
11-21-2012, 07:18 PM
Again, we are turning the ball over every two possessions. How can people make it to this level and be this careless?

Dr. Awesome
11-21-2012, 07:23 PM
Robin Lopez would try to ride Hibbert like a horse.

Romsey31
11-21-2012, 07:24 PM
We take too long to make a move down low

Romsey31
11-21-2012, 07:24 PM
What exactly is west' role on defense. He does absolutely nothing

OlBlu
11-21-2012, 07:26 PM
I wonder how far along this hornets team would be if they had been able to make the trade they wanted for Chris Paul instead of being stuck with the frail Eric Gordon? :cool:

Eleazar
11-21-2012, 07:26 PM
Tyler couldn't buy a foul there

Hypnotiq
11-21-2012, 07:27 PM
yep sam young is so bad at passing wow

adamscb
11-21-2012, 07:28 PM
Lopez is destroying us...

pacer4ever
11-21-2012, 07:29 PM
first Green gets lite up by Rivers for a few plays we adjust put him on Aminu and now Aminu takes him off the dribble. Green's defense is so bad when Aminu starts getting where he wants on you that's when you know your a terrible defender.


and Hill stop dribbling the shot clock away get into the action quicker

Romsey31
11-21-2012, 07:32 PM
Our offense is "turble" #barkley

1984
11-21-2012, 07:38 PM
We suck. I've attempted to be optimistic about this, and I believed we would turn our season around. At this point, I'm not convinced. Even worse? I'm worried about the future. Roy Hibbert could not make a shot against Robin Lopez, and George Hill was easily beaten by a rookie. Folks. It's bad.

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 07:39 PM
Do you remember when people criticized DC for not running a play and just looking for his own shot with the timer running out?

Yeah, Hill just did that as well. Which, once again, points out that this was never a problem of our PGs but a problem of our offensive system.

3rdStrike
11-21-2012, 07:41 PM
We gave up 29 pts in the first quarter at home to the HORNETS without their best player. We keep playing teams without their best players but the Granger excuse keeps getting used for the Pacers. :mad:

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 07:44 PM
Nice pass, DJ :)

1984
11-21-2012, 07:44 PM
Great flush.

Dr. Awesome
11-21-2012, 07:44 PM
Has there been a single time that Rivers has gone to the basket and not fallen over?

1984
11-21-2012, 07:45 PM
Augistin and Green have nice chemistry. If Green can get a few shots to fall, we may actually have bench production beyond Hansbrough.

OlBlu
11-21-2012, 07:45 PM
We gave up 29 pts in the first quarter at home to the HORNETS without their best player. We keep playing teams without their best players but the Granger excuse keeps getting used for the Pacers. :mad:

Are they not without their best TWO players.....:cool:

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 07:46 PM
I liked that last offensive possession. Lance missed the 3 but the ball movement was nice.

dal9
11-21-2012, 07:47 PM
this team has some anonymous sounding players: jason smith, lance thomas, bryan roberts...who are these people and why are they beating us?

Ant
11-21-2012, 07:48 PM
Brian Roberts, Darius Miller, Lance Thomas, Jason Smith, Austin Rivers, Robin Lopez.... This is not a good team that we're playing here. If we cant beat them, im not sure what that makes us. An embarassment at the least.

1984
11-21-2012, 07:52 PM
LOL. Roy Hibbert cannot even dunk.

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 07:52 PM
this team has some anonymous sounding players: jason smith, lance thomas, bryan roberts...who are these people and why are they beating us?

Jason Smith played with them last year as well. He averaged 23.7 MPG and was notorious for his flagrant foul on Blake Griffin.

Lance Thomas went undrafted in the '10 draft and he has been on and off with the Hornets since 2011.

Brian Roberts went undrafted in the '08 draft and played in Europe (Israel and Germany) and the Hornets picked him up this off-season.

1984
11-21-2012, 07:53 PM
OH MY GOODNESS ROY HIBBERT HIT A SHOT.

Romsey31
11-21-2012, 07:54 PM
Goooood **** Hibbs. That's all we re asking of you. PLAY HARD

1984
11-21-2012, 07:55 PM
Thinking... How much impact did Larry Bird have on the week-to-week and game-to-game preparation of the team? There is a softness that this team has this year that it did not have last year. I understand that Danny Granger is the backbone of the team, the one who will get in LeBron's face, but there is something more here. I question the conditioning of our team, especially when we struggle making/missing free throws.

3rdStrike
11-21-2012, 07:55 PM
Are they not without their best TWO players.....:cool:

I don't count Eric Gordon because he's never healthy.

Lance trolled Vazquez pretty hard there. He might get a letter from the league for that flop, lol

It's pretty sad that I don't miss seeing Paul George on the court. That's how little a positive effect he has on the offense. Gerald Green has looked pretty good tonight.

1984
11-21-2012, 07:57 PM
I like Lance Stephenson from top to bottom. He will be a quality role player in this league. Perhaps a better J.R. Smith.

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 07:58 PM
Good job, Lance :)

Romsey31
11-21-2012, 07:58 PM
We look great in the open floor

Sparhawk
11-21-2012, 07:58 PM
Lance taking over.

Romsey31
11-21-2012, 07:58 PM
David west smh

Ant
11-21-2012, 08:00 PM
Get Augustin the hell out of the game please. Thank god we only signed this bum for one year

Romsey31
11-21-2012, 08:00 PM
Hibbbertttttttttt

LucasRL13
11-21-2012, 08:01 PM
5p, 5r and 5bl by Hibbert

3rdStrike
11-21-2012, 08:01 PM
Hibbert is playing smart this game. It's kinda sad that he finally gave the ball to a cutter and Lance fumbled it. Probably was like "what, he passed it?!"

LoneGranger33
11-21-2012, 08:01 PM
Get Augustin the hell out of the game please. Thank god we only signed this bum for one year

I don't know that this applies to this evening's game. I thought he was actually pretty solid this quarter.

3rdStrike
11-21-2012, 08:05 PM
I don't know that this applies to this evening's game. I thought he was actually pretty solid this quarter.
He looked good passing the ball, but what I've noticed is that he rarely leaves his feet on defense. He's six foot even....gotta jump to contest the shot, or the opponent will shoot over him with ease. Which is what they've been doing all year.

3rdStrike
11-21-2012, 08:06 PM
lol @ Paul George looking to pass when he was WIDE OPEN. No scoring instinct whatsoever.

Ant
11-21-2012, 08:07 PM
Not watching the game, following the stat tracker unfortunately. I will take your word for it though, hope it continues!

1984
11-21-2012, 08:10 PM
The Pacers of last year would destroy this team. Destroy.

Eleazar
11-21-2012, 08:10 PM
West always struggles in last second iso situations.

LucasRL13
11-21-2012, 08:11 PM
The Pacers of last year would destroy this team. Destroy.


We won at overtime against this Hornets team...soo...

3rdStrike
11-21-2012, 08:12 PM
West always struggles in last second iso situations.

I wish there was a person on a team that was paid to understand stuff like this and make adjustments accordingly.

Eleazar
11-21-2012, 08:15 PM
I wish there was a person on a team that was paid to understand stuff like this and make adjustments accordingly.

He is clutch at every other time, just not in the final seconds for some reason.

OlBlu
11-21-2012, 08:22 PM
The Pacers of last year would destroy this team. Destroy.

They were luckier last year. They didn't have a major injury. They played way beyond expectations. Did you really think they would keep that up this year? Of course you, that is what a fan does. There is no sense of reason behind it. You want it and you hope it happens. Management even stated that the Pacers overperformed last year. If Bird had stayed, I think you would have seen a significant change in the starting unit instead of cosmetic changes on the bench. So, to sum this up, the Pacers were not as good as you thought last year. They have had a major injury this year and they are having difficult overcoming that because they are not as talented as some of you thought. They are also not as bad as you think they are now....:cool:

greyhound80
11-21-2012, 08:24 PM
lol @ Paul George looking to pass when he was WIDE OPEN. No scoring instinct whatsoever.
He does have a woeful lack of bball instincts.

greyhound80
11-21-2012, 08:27 PM
Is there any reason to be optimistic about this squad if the personnel stays intact? This is a below ave. shooting, passing and ball handling team. Doesn't force many turnovers. Not good overall quickness. Just looks like this team has many flaws.

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 08:28 PM
Nice finish, Lance. That wasn't easy :)

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 08:28 PM
I like the start to this quarter :)

1984
11-21-2012, 08:29 PM
Robin Lopez looks like a dirty Q'tip.

Doddage
11-21-2012, 08:34 PM
Robin Lopez looks like a dirty Q'tip.
Don't you like to look at your dirty Q-tips?

vnzla81
11-21-2012, 08:34 PM
And that's how an offense is supposed to look like, I like New Orleans offense.

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 08:35 PM
I like Lance more and more with each passing game. Great finish once more :)

1984
11-21-2012, 08:36 PM
It's amazing. We either are playing offense well or defense well. Never both and sometimes neither.

ensergio
11-21-2012, 08:37 PM
Stephenson is a keeper.

3rdStrike
11-21-2012, 08:39 PM
Okay, the Pacers are actually doing some good things on offense this quarter (they're just missing some wide open shots), and most of it is without running the slow halfcourt sets. The movement has been good.

edit: A legit Hibbert dunk! Why did he wait til tonight?

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 08:39 PM
Royyyyyy :happydanc

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 08:41 PM
Well, that last defensive possession was bad :-p

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 08:42 PM
Frank chose a bad time to go to the bench :(

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 08:43 PM
Amazing pass, PG. Great finish, Ian.

Gooooooooooooo :happydanc

D0NT SH0OT ME
11-21-2012, 08:44 PM
I don't see why we got Augustin when we don't even let him do what he is best at. If you don't allow him to drive and dish all he is going to be is a point guard that is above average at swinging the ball around the perimeter, while still being a huge liability on defense.

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 08:44 PM
Paul Georgeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :happydanc

LucasRL13
11-21-2012, 08:44 PM
Tonight we are attacking well, but our defense........

PAUL GEORGE

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 08:45 PM
I don't see why we got Augustin when we don't even let him do what he is best at. If you don't allow him to drive and dish all he is going to be is a point guard that is above average at swinging the ball around the perimeter, while still being a huge liability on defense.

Agreed. Our offensive system just doesn't seem to cater to pass first PGs.

TheDon
11-21-2012, 08:45 PM
paul george, such a tease...

Romsey31
11-21-2012, 08:46 PM
August is great in the open floor. Let he guys push the ball more voge

3rdStrike
11-21-2012, 08:47 PM
I don't see why we got Augustin when we don't even let him do what he is best at. If you don't allow him to drive and dish all he is going to be is a point guard that is above average at swinging the ball around the perimeter, while still being a huge liability on defense.

That goes for most of the bench. They're all uptempo players that Vogel was trying to force into half-court sets. Even Mahinmi's style is more suited to up tempo offense. Offense tonight looks about as good as I've seen it this season, though.

D0NT SH0OT ME
11-21-2012, 08:48 PM
Agreed. Our offensive system just doesn't seem to cater to pass first PGs.

That is for our first unit though. I don't understand why Frank is so reluctant to just give Lance and Augustin the freedom to drive into the paint at will when the second unit is in. Those two are our best offensive threats when the second unit is in but they are not allowed to do what they are best at.

15th parallel
11-21-2012, 08:48 PM
I am really advocating this team to play more uptempo with their speedy lineup. They don't click much in half-court offense.

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 08:49 PM
Great fake and drive by Young here.

Romsey31
11-21-2012, 08:49 PM
David west is a " turble" defender

15th parallel
11-21-2012, 08:51 PM
Nice way to end the quarter! Keep it up guys!

pacer4ever
11-21-2012, 08:51 PM
I like Lance more and more with each passing game. Great finish once more :)

His decision making gets better every game. Main reason people were mad he had a short leash in the past. Only way to get a lot better is game experience and making mistakes and learning from them you can't replicate game scenarios in practice. By the end of the year Lance should be even better and he likely is getting better by the game.

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 08:51 PM
That is for our first unit though. I don't understand why Frank is so reluctant to just give Lance and Augustin the freedom to drive into the paint at will when the second unit is in. Those two are our best offensive threats when the second unit is in but they are not allowed to do what they are best at.

I agree. It just seems that our second unit plays the same way the first does. I'm fully on board with the idea that 2nd unit should play up tempo.

D0NT SH0OT ME
11-21-2012, 08:54 PM
I agree. It just seems that our second unit plays the same way the first does. I'm fully on board with the idea that 2nd unit should play up tempo.

Doing that would really let Augustin feel more comfortable too. You can tell he is out of his environment by the way he plays. Every pass, every shot, has a moment of hesitation in it. He is just really indecisive, and I think that is from being told by the coaching staff to play a different way than he is accustomed too.

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 08:54 PM
I love Young's hustle there :)

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 08:57 PM
On the other hand, our defense has been bad for most of the night.

We seem to gamble a lot and let them shoot the mid range J.

Romsey31
11-21-2012, 08:57 PM
Put in a ****ing starter

Ant
11-21-2012, 08:58 PM
Cant believe Vogel went with 5 bench guys to start the 4th. Thats gonna be where we lost this game

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 08:59 PM
Thats gonna be where we lost this game

I don't disagree that this is risking us to lose the game but it's simply not lost yet.

Romsey31
11-21-2012, 09:00 PM
Cant believe Vogel went with 5 bench guys to start the 4th. Thats gonna be where we lost this game

He's really not a smart coach to put it nicely

vnzla81
11-21-2012, 09:00 PM
I agree. It just seems that our second unit plays the same way the first does. I'm fully on board with the idea that 2nd unit should play up tempo.

Yeah I don't understand why they keep trying to post up Ian, what's the point?

pathil275
11-21-2012, 09:00 PM
It'snot even funny how bad we are (especially our bench). Keep in mind the Hornets are playing on a back to back set without Davis.

3rdStrike
11-21-2012, 09:01 PM
This is the brilliant coaching. Paul George was hot for the first time this year and you sit him for extended time.

vnzla81
11-21-2012, 09:01 PM
I expect David West hero ball to bail this team out again.

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 09:01 PM
That guy with the mohawk is amazing :laugh:

Ant
11-21-2012, 09:02 PM
I don't disagree that this is risking us to lose the game but it's simply not lost yet.

Very true sir, wish i had more confidence in us sometimes! Just dont have a good feeling, really hope im wrong. Go Pacers!!

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 09:04 PM
They really have to start missing some of these jumpers.

3rdStrike
11-21-2012, 09:04 PM
What does Sam Young do for Vogel that he plays him and forgets about Lance Stephenson? Come on, man.

Sparhawk
11-21-2012, 09:05 PM
What does Sam Young do for Vogel that he plays him and forgets about Lance Stephenson? Come on, man.

So much this. And then he puts in DJ over Lance.

Vogel has lost his mind.

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 09:07 PM
That's not a 24 sec violation.

Ow, and I agree that Lance should be in. He plays great with the starters.

Sparhawk
11-21-2012, 09:08 PM
Nene is playing for the Wiz.

Ant
11-21-2012, 09:08 PM
Put in Lance!!

Sparhawk
11-21-2012, 09:08 PM
If the Pacers lose this game, does anyone think Vogel still needs more time?

LoneGranger33
11-21-2012, 09:09 PM
Well, we didn't get the ball back, but at least we gave the short-handed Hornets a lot of extra rest time.

Ace E.Anderson
11-21-2012, 09:09 PM
Losing to the hornets is NOT okay

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 09:10 PM
If the Pacers lose this game, does anyone think Vogel still needs more time?

Regardless of the outcome of this game, Vogel doesn't deserve to be fired yet.

Questioned? Yes. Criticized? Sure. Fired? Nope.

Constellations
11-21-2012, 09:11 PM
Are the Gold Swagger commercials intended for comedy? At this point, they're just becoming that.

Mr_Smith
11-21-2012, 09:11 PM
Losing to the hornets lmao!

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 09:12 PM
We need someone that is going to fight through that screen.

greyhound80
11-21-2012, 09:12 PM
What does Sam Young do for Vogel that he plays him and forgets about Lance Stephenson? Come on, man.

Was Sam Young a good shooter in college? How about since he's joined the NBA? Then why in hell does he keep jacking 3's??

DGPR
11-21-2012, 09:12 PM
West just said "I hate that mother****er" about Ryan Anderson lol

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 09:13 PM
Laaaaaaaaaaaance :happydanc

Aka
11-21-2012, 09:13 PM
lance 3

Sparhawk
11-21-2012, 09:13 PM
It's ok guys, Lance is in. Game over for the Hornets.

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 09:13 PM
PG :happydanc:happydanc:happydanc

Romsey31
11-21-2012, 09:14 PM
Boooooooooooom baby. Chicks dig the long ball!!!!!

Sparhawk
11-21-2012, 09:14 PM
Was Sam Young a good shooter in college? How about since he's joined the NBA? Then why in hell does he keep jacking 3's??

He's shooting 49% overall, but 26% from 3. Why he keeps shooting them is beyond me. He's not good at it.

LucasRL13
11-21-2012, 09:14 PM
Great back to back 3's by Paul and Lance, now we need a couple of stops

Constellations
11-21-2012, 09:14 PM
Wow. 2 big 3's.

Mr_Smith
11-21-2012, 09:15 PM
Ok here is the rally....who is gonna close the game out???

Romsey31
11-21-2012, 09:15 PM
It's ok guys, Lance is in. Game over for the Hornets.

You weren't kidding

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 09:15 PM
West just said "I hate that mother****er" about Ryan Anderson lol

Well, isn't it natural? He cannot defend him and he keeps hitting shots in his face so it makes a lot of sense.

3rdStrike
11-21-2012, 09:15 PM
Paul George draining that 3 made up for him missing Lance who was wide open with a clear path to the basket for 2+ seconds. Can't believe that's his first 3 pointer of the 4th quarter ALL SEASON. Yuck.

DGPR
11-21-2012, 09:15 PM
That 2010 draft is starting to look very nice for us

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 09:16 PM
He's shooting 49% overall, but 26% from 3. Why he keeps shooting them is beyond me. He's not good at it.

Well, he's open :-p

Ant
11-21-2012, 09:17 PM
Bigtime 3 balls right there, lets see if they can finish this game out. Would really love to see Lance and Paul take this game over in crunchtime with Hibs continuing his stellar defensive performance.

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 09:17 PM
PG again :happydanc:happydanc:happydanc

Aka
11-21-2012, 09:17 PM
Paul is on fire this half

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 09:18 PM
And West :happydanc

Goooooooooo :happydanc:happydanc:happydanc

Ant
11-21-2012, 09:18 PM
Pauls en fuego!!

3rdStrike
11-21-2012, 09:18 PM
Great switch by Lance on defense (off ball) and then a great job by West to bail out George Hill's lazy fast break solo

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 09:19 PM
Paul ****ing George :happydanc:happydanc:happydanc

LoneGranger33
11-21-2012, 09:19 PM
PAUL EFFIN' GEORGE!

Ace E.Anderson
11-21-2012, 09:19 PM
Bout time Paul shows some fire!

15th parallel
11-21-2012, 09:20 PM
PG...where have you been all this time!?

McKeyFan
11-21-2012, 09:20 PM
Lance must have pissed in Vogel's Cheerios.

Fortunately, Vogel HAS to play him.

greyhound80
11-21-2012, 09:20 PM
Thank you PG!! And have you noticed how many nice passes Lance has made tonight that directly led to a good shot?

3rdStrike
11-21-2012, 09:20 PM
25 pts in one half is no joke, but this is like his Dallas game last year. Not really a repeatable performance, because he's not driving or taking free throws. It's all 3 pointers :(

Sparhawk
11-21-2012, 09:21 PM
Hibbert 1 block away from a triple double.

vnzla81
11-21-2012, 09:23 PM
Wow

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 09:23 PM
Wow, what a shot by Aminu :-o

Oh well, we have the last possession. Win it, guys.

Leggoooooooooo :happydanc:happydanc:happydanc

vnzla81
11-21-2012, 09:24 PM
25 pts in one half is no joke, but this is like his Dallas game last year. Not really a repeatable performance, because he's not driving or taking free throws. It's all 3 pointers :(

He's doing a pretty good job replacing Danny today.

Romsey31
11-21-2012, 09:24 PM
I can't watch

DGPR
11-21-2012, 09:24 PM
Winning time

Ant
11-21-2012, 09:24 PM
Al-Faroq Aminu? Really?? Lets go PG, its winning time!

vnzla81
11-21-2012, 09:24 PM
This is going to be a West ISO book it.

LoneGranger33
11-21-2012, 09:25 PM
So many good looks. Damn!

DaveP63
11-21-2012, 09:25 PM
Christ...How many misses?

DGPR
11-21-2012, 09:25 PM
Wow, I thought Lance was going to be a hero

funnyguy1105
11-21-2012, 09:26 PM
What did we do to the basketball Gods to deserve this?

3rdStrike
11-21-2012, 09:26 PM
Lance shouldn't beat himself up, that's a crazy shot and he almost had it.

Once again, Vogel gives the ball to West in a last second situation. . . . .

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 09:26 PM
That was close. But it's ok.

Win it in overtime. You can ice it there. The Hornets are gassed.

Let's go, guys.

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 09:26 PM
So many good looks. Damn!

I'm glad that most of them were good looks.

Hypnotiq
11-21-2012, 09:26 PM
Why are we so hopeless against garbage teams?

Ant
11-21-2012, 09:26 PM
I'll tell you guys, if Roy Hibbert was capable of making layups we might not be such a disappointing team

Eleazar
11-21-2012, 09:26 PM
I was waiting on West passing it out to George for the game winner.

LoneGranger33
11-21-2012, 09:27 PM
OJ and Ben have pretty good bench rapport from what I've seen.

pacer4ever
11-21-2012, 09:27 PM
Lance must have pissed in Vogel's Cheerios.

Fortunately, Vogel HAS to play him.

Lance can penetrate he must not like guys who can probe and dish. Vogel loves the low % post ups to start the offense. I just don't get it we need to run a lot more offense for Lance. There is more than one way to play inside out Vogel I guess doesn't realize that. Some PnR for Lance would result in a lot better shots than Hibbert post ups.

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 09:28 PM
Paul ****ing George once again :happydanc

15th parallel
11-21-2012, 09:28 PM
Triple double for Roy!!!!

Finish it up in OT guys!

Sparhawk
11-21-2012, 09:28 PM
Done! Roy Hibbert triple double!

Sparhawk
11-21-2012, 09:28 PM
PG has gone mad!

Romsey31
11-21-2012, 09:29 PM
Reggie would be proud

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 09:29 PM
And now Hill :happydanc:happydanc:happydanc

Sparhawk
11-21-2012, 09:29 PM
JOB is proud. It's raining 3s!

vnzla81
11-21-2012, 09:29 PM
Game over, the Hornets are tired.

LoneGranger33
11-21-2012, 09:29 PM
Great unselfishness from PG, great make from GH.

DGPR
11-21-2012, 09:29 PM
Close these scrubs out!

1984
11-21-2012, 09:30 PM
Frank Vogel and George Hill, please answer this question:

With time running out in the fourth quarter, why not give the ball to Paul George? The man is 7 out of 11 from the 3 point field.

focused444
11-21-2012, 09:31 PM
gtfo anderson!

1984
11-21-2012, 09:31 PM
Haywood Workman has consistently disappointed me as a referee; in addition this whole crew is horrible.

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 09:32 PM
Anderson's 6th foul. That's great news for us. One more threat is eliminated :)

Sparhawk
11-21-2012, 09:32 PM
Pacers need to play like it's OT all the time.

1984
11-21-2012, 09:34 PM
One thing that Admundson did well that I miss? BOXING OUT.

Constellations
11-21-2012, 09:34 PM
Pacer fail.

Romsey31
11-21-2012, 09:35 PM
Game over, the Hornets are tired.

No it's not

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 09:35 PM
That 6 - 0 run was not good.

C'mon, don't let them get any closer, guys. Close it out.

LoneGranger33
11-21-2012, 09:35 PM
Just feed West.

vnzla81
11-21-2012, 09:36 PM
@MikeWellsNBA: Hibbert has a triple double with 10 points, 11 rebounds and 10 blocks

1984
11-21-2012, 09:36 PM
How many times have we experienced defensive lapses in the final two minutes of a game? One one hand, the issue is mental toughness. On the other hand, you have to ask: "Why does the coach allow the players to lose focus at pivotal moments?

Hypnotiq
11-21-2012, 09:36 PM
Just feed West.

lol no this is Vogel's play he only knows teams will soon smarten up about Vogel i think most already have

3rdStrike
11-21-2012, 09:36 PM
Hibbert's offensive game is so bad. That 6 foot hook shot just does not cut it when the opponents expect it (as they all do by now). His dunks were good, the blocks were good, but the offense is sooooooooooooooo bad.

1984
11-21-2012, 09:36 PM
Proud of the Hoya. I want him to be an all-star again.

1984
11-21-2012, 09:37 PM
JUST GIVE PAUL THE BALL BABY!

DGPR
11-21-2012, 09:37 PM
Paul George is unconscious

15th parallel
11-21-2012, 09:37 PM
I'm not done yet! - Paul George

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 09:37 PM
Paul ****ing George :happydanc:happydanc:happydanc

That's beyond belief :-o

1984
11-21-2012, 09:37 PM
The ball should go through Paul every play.

1984
11-21-2012, 09:38 PM
That is not a foul on Lance. Are you kiddnig?

15th parallel
11-21-2012, 09:39 PM
Hibbert has fouled out. Guys need to keep this lead!

Constellations
11-21-2012, 09:39 PM
Rebounding is fun. Pacers should try having some fun.

1984
11-21-2012, 09:39 PM
This is a joke. This is a joke. This is a joke. What a joke. The Pacers need to appeal to the league regarding the referees. They should be reviewed and reprimanded.

1984
11-21-2012, 09:40 PM
Lance needs to make a poster on that little punk. #revenge

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 09:40 PM
Great rebound, Ian. Thank you :)

DGPR
11-21-2012, 09:40 PM
Hopefully this game is a real wake up for Paul. He really stepped up big tonight

vnzla81
11-21-2012, 09:41 PM
No more ISO's game over :dance:

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 09:41 PM
Hill's arm is hurting.

1984
11-21-2012, 09:41 PM
George. George. George. George. George Hill, you've got to make your free throws.

1984
11-21-2012, 09:43 PM
I'm getting my hopes up, I'm dreaming of a Paul George who scores 20 a game.

Eleazar
11-21-2012, 09:43 PM
These refs want NO to win.

granger4mvp
11-21-2012, 09:43 PM
Wow Jason smith u punk they need to look at that isn't he the one that tried to take Blake griffin out

aamcguy
11-21-2012, 09:43 PM
I've been refraining from posting this whole game, but I legitimately believe the referees want New Orleans to win.

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 09:44 PM
Hit your free throws and ice this game.

Gooooooooooo :happydanc

1984
11-21-2012, 09:45 PM
I do not normally blame the referees, but these referees are awful.

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 09:45 PM
I've been refraining from posting this whole game, but I legitimately believe the referees want New Orleans to win.

The last call was correct, though.

vnzla81
11-21-2012, 09:45 PM
Paul George with 37 what's Danny's career high?

1984
11-21-2012, 09:45 PM
I want Paul George to make 40.

Coupe
11-21-2012, 09:45 PM
Indiana Pacers ‏@Pacers
Paul George's 9 three-pointers made is a franchise record for a single game. @ReggieMillerTNT had 8 on two occassions (4/18/93 & 3/28/97)

ESPN Stats & Info ‏@ESPNStatsInfo
Paul George does his best Reggie Miller impression, with 9 3-pointers so far, breaking Miller's Pacers record for 3's in a game.

1984
11-21-2012, 09:46 PM
Paul George with 37 what's Danny's career high?

44.

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 09:47 PM
Thank you, Tyler.

I know that we can always depend on you to hit your FTs :)

Bringing in Tyler for the FTs and getting him the ball was a nice plan. Kudos, Frank :D

aamcguy
11-21-2012, 09:47 PM
The last call was correct, though.

I was posting that as the loose ball foul was called...I didn't even see that play

15th parallel
11-21-2012, 09:47 PM
Nice Tyler. He's one of the few Pacers that are reliable in the stripe this season.

Dr. Awesome
11-21-2012, 09:48 PM
I hate you Paul George.

Just when I have given up hope, you have to restore it.

Don't break my heart again!

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 09:48 PM
I was posting that as the loose ball foul was called...I didn't even see that play

Well, West clearly pushed Lopez. It's clear as day in the replay ;)

15th parallel
11-21-2012, 09:49 PM
Four straight FT makes should seal this one.

LoneGranger33
11-21-2012, 09:49 PM
How many teams use their backup PF to shoot end-of-game free throws?

15th parallel
11-21-2012, 09:49 PM
Nice win guys! :happydanc :happydanc :happydanc

Nuntius
11-21-2012, 09:51 PM
How many teams use their backup PF to shoot end-of-game free throws?

Not a lot. But there aren't a lot of backup PFs that can shoot FTs as good as Tyler ;)

1984
11-21-2012, 09:52 PM
I hate you Paul George.

Just when I have given up hope, you have to restore it.

Don't break my heart again!

Exactly.

BlueCollarColts
11-21-2012, 09:55 PM
did not see the game, did Paul George just go off tonight, in one word how would you describe his preformance

Coupe
11-21-2012, 09:56 PM
did not see the game, did Paul George just go off tonight, in one word how would you describe his preformance

A real spark of what we expect out of him every game..

15th parallel
11-21-2012, 09:56 PM
How many teams use their backup PF to shoot end-of-game free throws?

This is the only case where your PF shoots FTs better than your guards.

greyhound80
11-21-2012, 09:57 PM
Congratulations Paul George!!!
Now, make a few trades for some bench players and we could be decent.

Ace E.Anderson
11-21-2012, 11:49 PM
did not see the game, did Paul George just go off tonight, in one word how would you describe his preformance

Wide-open

pezhan
11-22-2012, 04:11 AM
did not see the game, did Paul George just go off tonight, in one word how would you describe his preformance
Reggie

OlBlu
11-22-2012, 08:56 AM
A real spark of what we expect out of him every game..

No one can play like that every game.....:cool:

billy32717
11-23-2012, 03:29 AM
Even though George and HIbbert played well that game I am still very concerned about the Pacers offense they just seem to me they are not confident and don't know what to do on the offensive end i think vogel needs to set up better plays and more off ball action it seems like they run their offense it takes to long and there's like 5 seconds in the shot clock actually as a team thy all look like their taking thir time i believe the Pacers should speed up the game more not like a run and gun oofense just move faster overall i am still very concerned and i just dont see how there offense will improve