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timid
11-20-2012, 01:25 PM
This will help the offense. This team is too slow, and Lance is best on the team at pushing the ball. The problem is that he doesn't seem to know whether he should push it or slow it down and look at Frank. Frank needs to take the leash off this team and them run. I know West and Roy are slow but everyone else can run, and Hibbert does a decent job at getting up the court for a big man. Everyone on the bench can run and this will help DJ's game because right now he looks lost, like the rest of the team does most of the time.

I know they aren't the best passing team and often don't convert when have they numbers in transition but this will help the team and it will give Lance more confidence. He's already showing confidence. Move Hill to the 2, Paul to the 3. When Granger comes back, move Hill to the bench. We'll have a big starting lineup on defense and lance moves his feet well enough on defense to stay with most PG's and he'll have PG and Hibbert to help him out. His weakness seems to be getting through screens so I don't think he'll have to chase as many PG's through screens like he does SG's, unless he's playing against a scoring one. Seriously, Lance is the only guy on the team who can make a decent post pass, lol.

I'm not a die hard Lance supporter or anything, just a long time fan who is tired of seeing this team barely be able to score 90 points and give up 20 point leads to the Wizards. If West doesn't go into Beast mode, we may have given them their first win of the season. I honestly feel this way. Agree or disagree?

xIndyFan
11-20-2012, 01:47 PM
Disagree. I like the way the Pacers are using Lance. He is getting a chance to play with the starters. And some opportunity to play the point with Hill playing off the ball. He has a chance to learn and make mistakes without the pressure being the starting PG. The way the Pacers are doing it allows him to gradually get the chances to be a PG.

Plus I like Hill. He's not the problem. If you want to make Lance a PG, then replace DJA.

Ace E.Anderson
11-20-2012, 01:58 PM
Him playing with Hill allows both to be interchangeable. It doesn't really matter who has the title of "point guard" within our system.

Plus as others have said, Hill is not the problem. I for one think he's been better THIS year with the ball in his hands, he's in a shooting slump right now. Till he breaks it, he does a good job getting to the rim with that floater, and to the FT line.

Eleazar
11-20-2012, 02:50 PM
The biggest problem with giving Lance too much control and free reign is when he gets too confident he tends to get himself in trouble. He really isn't ready to be a starter, especially as the PG. He still needs someone else to control when and where he gets the ball. Now if you wanted to make the argument he should replace Augustin as the back-up I will agree with you.

LetsTalkPacers84
11-20-2012, 03:35 PM
It doesn't really matter who has the title of "point guard" within our system.



But then how do we know who to blame for our pg woes. Pacer fans need to ***** about our pg. Its just our way.

McKeyFan
11-20-2012, 07:41 PM
The real question is whether he should replace Paul George . . . especially when Granger returns.

Biggy5355
11-20-2012, 07:58 PM
An emphatic NO. I like the way Lance has come on this season as much as the next guy and am in love with his play with the starters, but for now if we start him at point and give him the keys to the team, it's not going to work. Him having the ball all the time increases the odds of him jacking up a bad shot. I agree with what Elazar said.

BlueNGold
11-20-2012, 07:59 PM
Lance has always been best with the ball in his hands. I don't know if you want to call him a PG or SG, but it doesn't matter. The fact remains his passing ability and ability to penetrate and break down the defense is one of our best weapons. Normally that role is that of a PG...which is where his best position has always been.

Kuq_e_Zi91
11-20-2012, 08:18 PM
I'd rather try to mold Lance into DC's off the bench sparkplug role. Lance is at his best in short bursts. Give him 15-20 minutes a game. If he's feeling it, keep riding him. If not, that's enough. The more you play him, the more his weaknesses start to hurt you. He gets overconfident with his shot, too loose with his handle and too sloppy with his passing.

Ace E.Anderson
11-21-2012, 10:20 AM
The real question is whether he should replace Paul George . . . especially when Granger returns.

Paul doesn't have the aggressiveness to be a scorer off the bench. I think the 6th man role suits him the worst out of any player on the team

McKeyFan
11-21-2012, 11:17 AM
Paul doesn't have the aggressiveness to be a scorer off the bench. I think the 6th man role suits him the worst out of any player on the team
It's a question of who finishes, really. If we face Miami again in the playoffs, we can't afford to sit Lance at the end, or we will have the same non-existent offense as last year. Who sits if Lance plays? The only answer that makes sense to me is Paul George.

jtroub8
11-21-2012, 12:19 PM
I see your point but who is guarding DWade/Bron if PG is sitting at the end? Two sides of the game, unless you want to sub/rotate the O & D.

Brad8888
11-21-2012, 12:27 PM
Lance has the least likelihood of causing damage to the offensive flow when he goes into street ball mode when playing with the second unit. His scoring would help there, and his poor decision making would have a lower overall impact due to the poor offensive play that the bench already exhibits to begin with.

sportfireman
11-21-2012, 12:28 PM
Yes..... while Danny's out give him a shot.

timid
11-21-2012, 01:17 PM
I understand everybody's reasoning for saying no, but I think we should give him a chance. I mean, how much experience starting at PG did Hill have before he came here? None. I really think the boost in confidence would really help Lance focus more and really do his best. I don't think he would make some of the bad decisions that he has in the past because one reason he makes those bonehead decisions is because he's pressing trying to make things happen with the second unit. I don't think the pressure will increase much if at all because he has a lot of pressure now trying to make things happen. I just think he's been in the league long enough now that he would really embrace the opportunity. He was compared to Tyreke Evans but he can be better than him because Lance has better court vision. Just my opinion.

CJ Jones
11-21-2012, 03:18 PM
I understand everyone's concerned still about Lance, but at what point do we take the kid gloves off him? He's been here going on 3 years now, he's paid his dues and should be treated like the rest of the players. If he's our best option at PG that's where he should be playing until Danny comes back. If he doesn't handle it well pull him like any other player.

Eleazar
11-21-2012, 03:20 PM
If he's our best option at PG that's where he should be playing until Danny comes back.

Ok, then I will make this easy to understand. He is not the best option at PG.

CJ Jones
11-21-2012, 03:20 PM
He is IMO

Sookie
11-21-2012, 03:29 PM
Ok, then I will make this easy to understand. He is not the best option at PG.

Seriously. He's had a decent season so for. He's made huge jumps. Part of the reason for that is because we are playing him off ball.

We've got to shooting guards who are starting because our only point guard shouldn't start. In that scenario, it's smarter to make the better of the two (and yes, the better of the two is Hill) the point.

Justin Tyme
11-21-2012, 03:41 PM
I was thinking about this yesterday that Stephenson should be the b/u PG. Augustin couldn't find his rear end with both hands with screaming neon lite pointing at it. He's abysmal! He doesn't know what to do or how to go about doing it. It's like he has never played BB and isn't sure what he's suppose to do.

Stephenson should get the chance at being the b/u PG even if it's thru default.

CJ Jones
11-21-2012, 05:17 PM
Seriously. He's had a decent season so for. He's made huge jumps. Part of the reason for that is because we are playing him off ball.

We've got to shooting guards who are starting because our only point guard shouldn't start. In that scenario, it's smarter to make the better of the two (and yes, the better of the two is Hill) the point.

better all around player... i agree. better mentality... i agree. better PG skills... nope.

Hill's the better SG between the two, and Lance is the most natural playmaker on the team. we have the worst offense in the league right now, why not try something different? It'll never happen though, since it seems we're committed to Hill being our PG.

regardless what position he plays the coach and fans should quit treating him like a child. i think hes earned that.

timid
11-21-2012, 10:21 PM
better all around player... i agree. better mentality... i agree. better PG skills... nope.

Hill's the better SG between the two, and Lance is the most natural playmaker on the team. we have the worst offense in the league right now, why not try something different? It'll never happen though, since it seems we're committed to Hill being our PG.

regardless what position he plays the coach and fans should quit treating him like a child. i think hes earned that.

I agree with this....

Anthem
11-22-2012, 12:09 AM
Why are we talking about Lance vs Hill when they play together so well? The real question is Lance vs DJ.

timid
11-22-2012, 12:02 PM
They can still play together with Hill at the 2 till DG comes back...I wouldnt mind Hill being in at the end because hes the better clutch player...I feel like Lance is DYING to break out. You can see it everytime he gets a rebound. Everybody always saying we need a go to player who can create for himself and others and Lance is the only guy on the team with the skillset to do so...Not PG

rimrattler
11-22-2012, 12:16 PM
I believe Lance should be handling the ball on offense. He is the best if not only playmaker the Pacers have. GH guard the pg position on defense.

CJ Jones
11-22-2012, 12:57 PM
They can still play together with Hill at the 2 till DG comes back...I wouldnt mind Hill being in at the end because hes the better clutch player...I feel like Lance is DYING to break out. You can see it everytime he gets a rebound. Everybody always saying we need a go to player who can create for himself and others and Lance is the only guy on the team with the skillset to do so...Not PG

this. i cringe everytime we have an opportunity to fastbreak and Hill gets the outlet pass instead of Lance. Even if Hill is our guy, we should be looking for Lance first on the break IMO. He's so fun to watch and so much better than anybody else on the team in that situation.

McKeyFan
11-22-2012, 02:02 PM
Anybody else notice that Hill doesn't seem to like to pass Lance the ball?

Eleazar
11-22-2012, 03:43 PM
this. i cringe everytime we have an opportunity to fastbreak and Hill gets the outlet pass instead of Lance. Even if Hill is our guy, we should be looking for Lance first on the break IMO. He's so fun to watch and so much better than anybody else on the team in that situation.

In the fast break we have no one better than Lance.

Gold
11-22-2012, 04:21 PM
Anybody else notice that Hill doesn't seem to like to pass Lance the ball?

I'm not gonna declare George Hill doesn't like to pass Lance the ball.................but there have definitely been times where I wonder why he didn't pass Lance the ball.

rimrattler
11-22-2012, 04:38 PM
I'm not gonna declare George Hill doesn't like to pass Lance the ball.................but there have definitely been times where I wonder why he didn't pass Lance the ball.

Yup. Me too. This team lacks an offensive game and their best chance of scoring is on the fast break. When Lance rebounds and beats everyone else down the court.

Anthem
11-22-2012, 06:39 PM
Anybody else notice that Hill doesn't seem to like to pass Lance the ball?
I don't know if that's fair. There have been times when I wanted Hill to pass to Lance, but I've seen the same for PG24. I think he's been told to prioritize the big men.

3rdStrike
11-22-2012, 08:22 PM
I have no proof of this, but I get the feeling it's more like Hill/PG will run the play that Vogel calls no matter what, whereas Lance will get it to the guy in the best position to score no matter what. Hill is a system/structure guy (which is why he was the only one having success in the first week), and Lance is a playmaker.

BlueCollarColts
11-22-2012, 08:36 PM
here is my question, who has a better chance at being a star in this league, Lance Stephenson or Paul George?

Pacerfan
11-22-2012, 08:50 PM
here is my question, who has a better chance at being a star in this league, Lance Stephenson or Paul George?

Honestly, right now I would say Lance. He has the mindset to be a star. Paul doesn't have it yet.

Willbo
11-22-2012, 08:55 PM
If he isn't already, Lance must be pretty close to our best 'broken plays' creator. As such would like to see him as the preferred option late in the clock. The reason everyone gets excited when he has the ball in his hands is not solely because of his unpredictability and showmanship but his quality as a shot creator - either for himself or team mates. The downside is that he sometimes forces it, the upside is that he possess a raw but near unique skill-set for this roster as constructed.

BlueCollarColts
11-22-2012, 08:59 PM
Honestly, right now I would say Lance. He has the mindset to be a star. Paul doesn't have it yet.
before Wenesday I would agree with you, but I want to wait until tomorrow night to answer that after Paul's 37 point preformance. I think Lance and Paul both have a shot at being a star, but it is close

Sparhawk
11-22-2012, 11:38 PM
If he isn't already, Lance must be pretty close to our best 'broken plays' creator. As such would like to see him as the preferred option late in the clock. The reason everyone gets excited when he has the ball in his hands is not solely because of his unpredictability and showmanship but his quality as a shot creator - either for himself or team mates. The downside is that he sometimes forces it, the upside is that he possess a raw but near unique skill-set for this roster as constructed.

I agree, and though he will force it, he's been doing a heck of a job this year. His TOs (1.6 TOs on the year) aren't all that high considering the minutes he plays the how he creates. His assist to turnover ration isn't good, but I think that can improve with more time.

Hill and Lance together should make for a good pair since both are interchangeable.

TinManJoshua
11-22-2012, 11:45 PM
There's nothing wrong with having a two be the primary ballhandler on a team.

timid
11-23-2012, 12:29 AM
There's nothing wrong with having a two be the primary ballhandler on a team.

You mean Hill or Lance? Cause I feel Lance's natural position is PG..

15th parallel
11-23-2012, 01:18 AM
His assist to turnover ration isn't good, but I think that can improve with more time.

If only the other guys are making their shots, Lance should already be having multiple 6-10 assists per game at this point. There are a lot of times his feeds give open looks to others, unfortunately they are not going in. But I agree, it will improve as he plays more.

ECKrueger
11-23-2012, 01:24 AM
Scott Agness ‏@ScottAgness

30 minutes after shootaround, @StephensonLance is still on the court, by himself, getting shots up. http://twitpic.com/bf67ui

https://twitpic.com/show/iphone/bf67ui

https://twitter.com/i/#!/ScottAgness/media/slideshow?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftwitpic.com%2Fbf67ui

RLeWorm
11-23-2012, 03:43 AM
Scott Agness ‏@ScottAgness

30 minutes after shootaround, @StephensonLance is still on the court, by himself, getting shots up. http://twitpic.com/bf67ui

https://twitpic.com/show/iphone/bf67ui

https://twitter.com/i/#!/ScottAgness/media/slideshow?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftwitpic.com%2Fbf67ui

Props to Lance for growing up and knowing what it takes to be successful. His work is paying off and its showing in games.

TinManJoshua
11-23-2012, 10:14 AM
You mean Hill or Lance? Cause I feel Lance's natural position is PG..

Lance. He's got SG size, matches up best defensively vs. SGs.

Cousy47
11-23-2012, 11:02 AM
Why are we talking about Lance vs Hill when they play together so well? The real question is Lance vs DJ.
This. I like Lance and GH together because they both can handle and have good vision. Both of them have speed and quickness on the defensive end. Putting a label on them means very little. Let them play together and figure out who brings the ball up and who triggers the offense, or just rotate those duties. Give it another 10 games and see where we are. I'm not sure Augustin is ever going to be able to run the second unit. He does look lost. Maybe when/if Danny comes back he can play with either Lance or PG at the 2 or even Danny at the backup 3 to give him a target to work with? Danny may have to take a backup minutes if the team is rolling by the time he comes back.

GeniusJMG
11-23-2012, 11:08 AM
I'll be happy as long as Lance is a permanent fixture in the starting lineup.

owl
11-23-2012, 11:10 AM
Props to Lance for growing up and knowing what it takes to be successful. His work is paying off and its showing in games.


This is a really encouraging thing to see. He wants to get better and if this is his normal commitment I think he will
reach his potential.

Johanvil
11-23-2012, 03:11 PM
He can be our PG by playing at the "2" too.All you need is don't let Hill setting up the offense and let the clock wind down to 11 to initiate it.
As for Lance,he's probably the only bright thing about our season.He still overhits some shots but all in all he has been very good.

BlueNGold
11-23-2012, 08:00 PM
Lance fits as a 6th man on this team or a starter with Granger out. In either case, he will be on the floor a lot with starters as long as he continues to develop.

I must say he has changed my opinion of him. Specifically his commitment to getting better, his ability to defend and his off court record. It's all been good and I will take my lumps for misjudging him.

Heisenberg
11-23-2012, 08:04 PM
Guy's playing the best basketball of his life, by a gigantic margin, and we should screw with it. Gotta love message boards!