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avoidingtheclowns
11-19-2012, 06:27 PM
ZAP THE ZARDS!




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Game Time Start: 7:00 PM EST
Where: Verizon Center, Washington, DC
Officials: R. Garretson, K. Fehr, G. Zielinski

Media Notes: Indiana Notes (http://www.nba.com/gamenotes/pacers.pdf), Washington Notes (http://www.nba.com/gamenotes/wizards.pdf)
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Season Records: (W-L)




:xpacers:

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http://i49.tinypic.com/e1589d.png<center>Away: 1-6
East: 2-5</center>



:wizards:

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http://i49.tinypic.com/e1589d.png<center>Home: 0-3
East: 0-6</center>

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http://www.nba.com/tvc/image/assets/wordmarks/IND_wordmark.png Projected Starting Lineup:



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<center>HIBBERT</center>
<center>WEST</center>
<center>GEORGE</center>
<center>STEPHENSON</center>
<center>HILL</center>



http://www.nba.com/tvc/image/assets/wordmarks/WAS_wordmark.png Projected Starting Lineup:



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<center>OKAFOR</center>
<center>VESELY</center>
<center>ARIZA</center>
<center>CRAWFORD</center>
<center>PRICE</center>

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PACERS
Danny Granger - left knee tendinosis (out)
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WIZARDS
John Wall - left patella stress injury (out)
Nene - left foot Plantar Fasciitis (out)



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Eight Points, Nine Seconds Review:




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Tim Donahue: Brick by Brick - How the Pacers Can Repair Their Offense

After nine games, Indiana has the second-worst offense in the league. Scoring only 92
points per 100 possessions, the Pacers are only bested in impotence by the winless
Washington Wizards. Things went from bad to worse this week, when the Pacers lost
on their home floor despite holding the Toronto Raptors to five fourth-quarter points,
then completely mailed in a game in Milwaukee.

Losers of six of their first nine, Indiana Coach Frank Vogel and his squad are searching
for answers, and so are a lot of Pacer observers. It’s one thing to lose some games; it’s
another altogether to do so looking like they have — especially after billing yourself as
an Eastern Conference contender for the past six months.

The Four Factors of Success

There are so many aspects that go into scoring points. The general offensive scheme,
ball movement, setting precise screens, cutting, execution, individual playmaking,
transition, exploiting mismatches, simply making shots. All are undeniably important.
But when we talk about offense from a statistical standpoint, we mostly look at the
Four Factors of Basketball Success, a concept identified by Dean Oliver (http://www.basketballonpaper.com/) in his attempt
to understand how teams win basketball games.

All the less-tangible stuff matters, but we can analyze effectiveness pretty well by just
looking at shooting percentage (eFG%), offensive rebounding (ORB%), turnovers (TO%)
and getting to the line (FT/FGA). Throughout the years, good NBA offenses have most
often been those that shoot well. Meaning, eFG% (effective field goal percentage) has
had the highest correlation with offensive rating.

The following chart shows the historical correlation each of the Four Factors has with
overall offensive rating.

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Correlation of The Four Factors to Offensive Rating

For the less-mathematically inclined, the chart shows one basic truth: eFG% has a very
high connection to overall offense while the other three factors do not. In short, you can
much more easily create good offense by shooting the ball well than you can by not
turning the ball over, drawing fouls and grabbing offensive boards. Those three (in that
order) have an increasingly low correlation to creating good offense in today’s NBA.
Knowing this, it should come as no surprise that the Pacers’ rank of 29th in offensive
rating has a lot to do with its dead-last ranking in eFG%. At 43.6%, they are 5 full
percentage points below the league average of 48.8%. Ugly, ugly stuff.

Interestingly, however, the Pacers were not a good shooting team last year. Despite
finishing with the league’s 5th best record and its 7th best offense, they shot just 47.4
eFG%, which put them 23rd in the league (and 1.3% below league average). So what
gives? How were they able to score so well last year while shooting poorly? And why
aren’t they doing the same this season?

Pulling the Right Levers

It comes down to what I call the ”levers” that coaches can pull in order to guide their
teams to victory. Essentially, last season Indiana, at the direction of Frank Vogel, was
pulling the right levers in the non-shooting areas of offense to make up for missing so
many shots. And this year, the team is not.

Last year, as noted, the Pacers ranked 23rd in shooting. But they made up for it by
being the 7th best at protecting the ball (TOV%), 2nd best at geting to the line (FT/FGA),
and 5th best at rebounding their own misses (ORB%). Essentially, they were elite at
everything we measure in terms of team offense other than making shots. And that was
enough to make them one of the league’s best offenses — and arguably its best when its
starters were on the floor (http://www.eightpointsnineseconds.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Best-NBA-Units-2012.png).

This year, however, they have declined when it comes to shooting — and in terms of
almost everywhere else. Though just as strong on the offensive glass (currently 5th in the
NBA), the Pacers have been bad at scoring from the line (21st – affected both by lack of
opportunities and the fact they’re only shooting 73.7% when they get there) and atrocious
at taking care of the ball (27th).

While there are lots of ways to have success, the easiest, most consistent way is to say,
“Get good shots.” But the Pacers’ offense does not focus on that, the strongest lever. It is
not designed to consistently “get good shots,” at least by certain measures. Frank Vogel
has built game plans to get certain shots, but not necessarily what most people today
consider “good” shots.

Getting Good Shots

One way to get a general gauge of the quality of an offense’s shots is to look at their
distribution by zone. There are five basic zones where players can shoot from: “Restricted
Area,” “In the Paint (non-Restricted Area),” “Mid-Range,” “Corner 3,” and “Above the Break
3.”

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The chart above shows the NBA’s average eFG% for each zone since the 2001 season
(including the first two weeks of 2013). Unsurprisingly, the Restricted Area — which is
basically everything within 5 feet — has the highest rate of success, at over 59%. From
there, the next best locations are the Corner 3 and then the Above the Break 3.

Then comes everything else...CONTINUE READING AT 8p9s (http://www.eightpointsnineseconds.com/2012/11/brick-by-brick-how-the-pacers-can-repair-their-offense/)


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Bullets Forever:




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Mike Prada: Consistency, confidence is clearly lacking

The Washington Wizards lack consistency and confidence, and while their problems go
much deeper, these issues are most fundamental.

Two buzzwords dominated the Washington Wizards' locker room following yet another
loss, this time to the Utah Jazz: "confidence," and "consistency."

They are just buzzwords, of course, used as shorthand to define a problem that takes
many more words to accurately portray. From the outside looking in, it'd be foolish to
suggest that the 0-8 Wizards would be cured with a little more confidence and a little
more consistency. That conveniently ignores important things like "lack of talent" and
"lack of offensive threats."

But inside a locker room, those buzzwords are fundamental concepts. If you don't
believe you can fix a problem, you're never going to figure out what elements actually
need to be fixed. If you're not always mentally prepared to make the contribution you
are expected to make, you're never going to actually make that contribution. And so,
here the Wizards are, a battered team that cannot lose the very reason to keep
fighting.

"You got to play relaxed, you got to play confident. We've got to keep at it," Randy
Wittman said, seemingly out of easy answers.

For Wittman in particular, the issue of consistency is especially vexing. He can't point
to a single player that gives him the same contributions every night. Sometimes,
Kevin Seraphin looks like the league's next dominant post scorer, and sometimes,
like last night, he looks completely lost. Sometimes, Bradley Beal is making shots;
sometimes, he's not and nothing else happens. Sometimes, Trevor Ariza is the open-
court dynamo that Ernie Grunfeld thought he was getting when he traded for him last
June; sometimes, he's a shot-clanker that stops giving a good enough defensive effort
and doesn't help a team anywhere. Sometimes, Chris Singleton is aggressive;
sometimes, he stands back and lets himself get pushed around.

"In a perfect world, I'd have eight or nine guys and I'd play them every night. They
know when they're coming in, who's starting, who's coming off the bench," Wittman
said. "I'm sometimes right now not knowing who's going to play tonight. Who's up,
who's down. We just don't have the consistency of, really, anybody."

This, of course, begs several questions. Are the players not taking enough steps to
be mentally ready to play? Are they letting outside forces dictate their effort? Does
Wittman need to do more to promote consistency by setting a rotation instead of
waiting for players to really earn their spots?

A.J. Price thinks the issue may be the players' ability to accept criticism. The Wizards'
starting point guard has certainly been around the block in this area, having to deal
with head coaches that yo-yoed his minutes and threatened his confidence. Last night,
he took an interesting stand on the mental state of some of his teammates.

"We've got young guys on the team who kind of get caught up in what's said or how
the coach says it. You can't do that," he said. "You just have to be confident in yourself
and what's gotten you here. It's gotten you here for a reason. Just do what you know
how to do."

It's impossible to know who Price is talking about, but it's also not especially surprising.
Young players lose confidence easily, and it's on everyone associated with the team to
do their best to maintain it. Wittman admitted the same in his press conference,
emphatically stating...CONTINUE READING AT BULLETS FOREVER (http://www.bulletsforever.com/2012/11/18/3661396/jazz-vs-wizards-recap-2012)

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140 Characters of (Non-PD) Coverage



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Pacers
Mike Wells @MikeWellsNBA (https://twitter.com/#!/MikeWellsNBA)
Jared Wade @8pts9secs (https://twitter.com/#!/8pts9secs)
Tim Donahue @TimDonahue8p9s (https://twitter.com/#!/TimDonahue8p9s)
Tom Lewis @indycornrows (https://twitter.com/#!/IndyCornrows)


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Wizards
Michael Lee @MrMichaelLee (https://twitter.com/MrMichaelLee)
Mike Prada @MikePradaSBN (https://twitter.com/MikePradaSBN)
Kyle Weidie @Truth_About_It (https://twitter.com/Truth_About_It)
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Heisenberg
11-19-2012, 06:40 PM
Please let this be the game for Roy. Nothing huge, like 20/10 on 8-12 shooting. Please?

Pacergeek
11-19-2012, 06:45 PM
Please let this be the game for Roy. Nothing huge, like 20/10 on 8-12 shooting. Please?

I'll take 12 and 9. 20 pts for Roy this year is almost like a 40 pt game

Sookie
11-19-2012, 06:54 PM
Please let this be the game for Roy. Nothing huge, like 20/10 on 8-12 shooting. Please?

Honestly, he tends to really struggle against Okafor.

D-BONE
11-19-2012, 06:59 PM
Does he struggle against everyone but Troy Murphy?

vnzla81
11-19-2012, 07:23 PM
I still can't believe Okafor lost all that weight, I liked him when he was all muscle, I don't think he is as effective now with his new body.

LucasRL13
11-19-2012, 07:34 PM
Washigton 6-1? LOOL

Heisenberg
11-19-2012, 07:41 PM
yep, definitely taped these interviews during training camp

Johanvil
11-19-2012, 08:05 PM
Wizards winless so far?Well their time has come.

Hypnotiq
11-19-2012, 08:13 PM
huge crowd you could hear a pin drop in there

Heisenberg
11-19-2012, 08:13 PM
strong 2 minutes from Roy. I'll take it.

vnzla81
11-19-2012, 08:15 PM
The Pacers are blowing this people out today they suck bad.

idioteque
11-19-2012, 08:17 PM
Damn really impressed with Lance

Heisenberg
11-19-2012, 08:17 PM
let's go Sammy!

LucasRL13
11-19-2012, 08:18 PM
Great start, we need a win definitely tonight.

PACERS

idioteque
11-19-2012, 08:19 PM
Man the atmosphere at the Verizon Center and terrible and always has been. How this franchise stays in DC, who knows. 99.9% of people in DC/MD/VA don't get a **** about the Wizards.

Magic P
11-19-2012, 08:20 PM
Why is PG out the game?

idioteque
11-19-2012, 08:20 PM
Why is PG out the game?

2 fouls

Heisenberg
11-19-2012, 08:20 PM
Why is PG out the game?

2 fouls

vnzla81
11-19-2012, 08:21 PM
Wow this Wizards team sucks, horrible.

PGisthefuture
11-19-2012, 08:21 PM
D-West having a nice defensive game so far.

Heisenberg
11-19-2012, 08:23 PM
Jan Vesely's an underrated bust. He's still real young and all, but man is that dude terrible.

rock747
11-19-2012, 08:23 PM
Sam Young has really turned it around...

LG33
11-19-2012, 08:25 PM
Man the atmosphere at the Verizon Center and terrible and always has been. How this franchise stays in DC, who knows. 99.9% of people in DC/MD/VA don't get a **** about the Wizards.

If the number of Caps jerseys on WMATA is any indication, the hockey games are much better attended. The Wizards games I attended when I lived there (and worked on G street) were all devoid of any energy however.

idioteque
11-19-2012, 08:25 PM
Strip was a shame but nice dish by Lance

PGisthefuture
11-19-2012, 08:25 PM
As horrible as we looked yesterday, it had a lot to do with how improved the Knicks are. I know we're playing the winless Wizards, but we look a lot better than the first few games.

PGisthefuture
11-19-2012, 08:26 PM
Sam Young may very well have been our best FA pickup, too.

LucasRL13
11-19-2012, 08:27 PM
Another 3 by Young

idioteque
11-19-2012, 08:27 PM
If the number of Caps jerseys on WMATA is any indication, the hockey games are much better attended. The Wizards games I attended when I lived there (and worked on G street) were all devoid of any energy however.

Oh yeah. When you come home from a Wizards game on Metro you don't even feel like a sporting event just ended, feels like a normal night. However, when you leave a Nats or Caps game it is really crowded. I work on 6th Street and am glad hockey is locked out, it makes my commute horrible.

rock747
11-19-2012, 08:27 PM
Sam Young may very well have been our best FA pickup, too.

Which is insane by how bad he looked to start the season... airballing everything, turnovers, etc....

LG33
11-19-2012, 08:28 PM
Still not enough off-ball movement. A lot of standing around, particularly out of David West.

Magic P
11-19-2012, 08:28 PM
I just hope DJA and Green don't come in and get Wash back into the game.

PGisthefuture
11-19-2012, 08:29 PM
Which is insane by how bad he looked to start the season... airballing everything, turnovers, etc....

Yes, you could tell he was kinda nervous or something. He looks comfortable now.

Ace E.Anderson
11-19-2012, 08:29 PM
Really like the interchangeable backcourt of Hill and Lance. Wish Lance was confident enough to be this aggressive every game.

LG33
11-19-2012, 08:30 PM
Oh yeah. When you come home from a Wizards game on Metro you don't even feel like a sporting event just ended, feels like a normal night. However, when you leave a Nats or Caps game it is really crowded. I work on 6th Street and am glad hockey is locked out, it makes my commute horrible.

I still have nightmares about overcrowding at Gallery Place. Unfortunately, I lived on the wrong side of the Red Line (Maryland).

rock747
11-19-2012, 08:31 PM
When's the last time Washington scored?

D-BONE
11-19-2012, 08:31 PM
The route could be on...

Doubt it, but it feels great to make some shots

Dece
11-19-2012, 08:32 PM
Wow they are bad.

Ace E.Anderson
11-19-2012, 08:32 PM
I just hope DJA and Green don't come in and get Wash back into the game.

Don't understand the hate on Green. He's been playing fairly well and under control the past few games

Heisenberg
11-19-2012, 08:33 PM
Green's hit a couple shots but they're bad ones. going Jordan Crawford out there

idioteque
11-19-2012, 08:34 PM
I still have nightmares about overcrowding at Gallery Place. Unfortunately, I lived on the wrong side of the Red Line (Maryland).

Oh, the Metro has only gotten worse. It's a comedy of errors every day.

rock747
11-19-2012, 08:34 PM
ha, Hansbrough pisses everyone off...

Heisenberg
11-19-2012, 08:34 PM
anonymous Wizard: "he does it all the time!" talking to the ref about Tyler lol

rock747
11-19-2012, 08:34 PM
Dj Augustin misses the tech free throw. pfft

Hypnotiq
11-19-2012, 08:35 PM
why where some people saying washington were a chance for the playoffs

good lord they are awful

idioteque
11-19-2012, 08:36 PM
God bless the Wizards announcing crew. They actually have to be at every Wizards game. Man this team is bad.

owl
11-19-2012, 08:36 PM
2 fouls

Tyler yelling shoot

LG33
11-19-2012, 08:36 PM
I love when players point in their team's offensive direction when the ball sails out of bounds. Works every time.

Heisenberg
11-19-2012, 08:37 PM
we beat this team by 4 like a week ago

BlueCollarColts
11-19-2012, 08:37 PM
have not been watching, just finishes watching IU game, who has played well?

repole
11-19-2012, 08:40 PM
Green's hit a couple shots but they're bad ones. going Jordan Crawford out there

First shot was fine selection wise, and that's coming from someone who hates pretty much every mid range jumper ever taken.
Second was forced, but it's also a shot he hit pretty consistently last year. Once he gets in the paint, even if he's crowded by a defender, he likes to elevate/fade away to get shots off that don't always look great, but are usually pretty high percentage.
Third was forced.

Hypnotiq
11-19-2012, 08:42 PM
Seraphin is a good player wish he was our reserve C

idioteque
11-19-2012, 08:42 PM
Games like this are posterchilds for why the NBA season should be like 55 games.

idioteque
11-19-2012, 08:44 PM
What a **** call on Ian

PGisthefuture
11-19-2012, 08:44 PM
Ian can't catch a break.

Ace E.Anderson
11-19-2012, 08:45 PM
Like the aggressiveness of DJ. Lol just needs to convert

D-BONE
11-19-2012, 08:45 PM
Mahinmi = foul magnet

Justin Tyme
11-19-2012, 08:45 PM
Can the Pacers play the Wizards the next 70 games!?

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 08:46 PM
Man looking bad since I've started watching.

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 08:48 PM
That was hideous offense.

PGisthefuture
11-19-2012, 08:48 PM
I've never understood the point of giving it to our bigs on the perimeter.

Heisenberg
11-19-2012, 08:48 PM
subs mostly playing crappy

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 08:49 PM
Timeout needed badly.

clownskull
11-19-2012, 08:49 PM
Ian can't catch a break.

as a kid, i remember a guy who had a similar problem- mark west. the refs called him for phantom fouls very often. he was actually a solid player but he just seemed to be the ref's whipping boy and never got a benefit of the doubt kind of call.

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 08:50 PM
We can't just keep making bad passes. Call a timeout Frank. We are clearly just standing around.

LucasRL13
11-19-2012, 08:50 PM
OMG, turnovers

Heisenberg
11-19-2012, 08:51 PM
wow. is the 2nd level literally empty?

Pacergeek
11-19-2012, 08:51 PM
we could get away with coasting last season. this year, the coasting is problematic

vnzla81
11-19-2012, 08:52 PM
Green is the new Kobe, "Kobe Green"...

rock747
11-19-2012, 08:52 PM
I still think a lot of our problems stem from a weaker bench

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 08:52 PM
Man last 5 minutes we have looked TERRIBLE.

Nuntius
11-19-2012, 08:52 PM
Seraphin is a good player wish he was our reserve C

Seraphin is a pretty good player indeed.

Heisenberg
11-19-2012, 08:53 PM
Kyrie Irving out a month, broken finger. kid's pretty fragile it seems.

DGPR
11-19-2012, 08:55 PM
Green is the new Kobe, "Kobe Green"...
can he steal the crown from Dahntay "Kobe" Jones?

D-BONE
11-19-2012, 08:56 PM
Relieved we're getting back to our new normal here...

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 08:56 PM
Man Paul George way to be an idiot.

rock747
11-19-2012, 08:56 PM
1st time I have ever seen paul george get a tech.

Derek2k3
11-19-2012, 08:56 PM
What an absurd foul call. Paul didn't affect him at all.

Idiotic NBA officiating, what's new.

vnzla81
11-19-2012, 08:57 PM
can he steal the crown from Dahntay "Kobe" Jones?

Oh yeah.

Derek2k3
11-19-2012, 08:57 PM
These refs suck, both ways. Killing the flow by making TERRIBLE calls.

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 08:58 PM
Man if we were playing any kind of decent team we would be being outscored by 20 this quarter.

Heisenberg
11-19-2012, 08:58 PM
that's a bad call on Young. Singleton swung his hip into him

vnzla81
11-19-2012, 08:58 PM
Pacers are making it interesting, they are doing for the ratings I think.

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 08:58 PM
Man that was nice.

Heisenberg
11-19-2012, 08:59 PM
that's a bad call on Young. Singleton swung his hip into him

BALL DON'T LIE refs

vnzla81
11-19-2012, 08:59 PM
Vesely sucks I don't even know why he is playing.

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 08:59 PM
That was a beautiful pass by Lance. You gotta give it to Hibbert.

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 09:01 PM
Quinn Buckner knows how bad our offense is.

vnzla81
11-19-2012, 09:02 PM
This guys are not making it pass 75 I don't think.

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 09:02 PM
We just got lucky making shots. Same old team.

PGisthefuture
11-19-2012, 09:02 PM
We're really letting them back into this....

LuckSwagger
11-19-2012, 09:02 PM
We foul a lot.

rock747
11-19-2012, 09:02 PM
Sam young trying to do too much.

Derek2k3
11-19-2012, 09:02 PM
Wow, what an incredible reach 3 series in a row. Lance and Sam have been screwed, reaching in all day without getting a call. Now the refs are giving Washington FT's like its going out of style.

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 09:04 PM
LOL at the fact that people think the Refs are getting Washington back into this game.

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 09:06 PM
Lets see if we have any kind of decent play out of the timeout. I sure doubt it.

Derek2k3
11-19-2012, 09:06 PM
Pacers have attempted 9 FT's, Washington 18.

Please. The Pacers are going inside, just not getting the same BS touch fouls called.

Derek2k3
11-19-2012, 09:07 PM
Lets see if we have any kind of decent play out of the timeout. I sure doubt it.

David West FTA's. Good timeout play call.

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 09:07 PM
Pacers have attempted 9 FT's, Washington 18.

Please. The Pacers are going inside, just not getting the same BS touch fouls called.

Pacers have no semblance of an offense. That's why Washington is getting back into the game.

vnzla81
11-19-2012, 09:08 PM
This Wizards coach is also weird at switching players.

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 09:08 PM
Hibbert is being super aggressive. That is what I like to see.

Nuntius
11-19-2012, 09:09 PM
why where some people saying washington were a chance for the playoffs

good lord they are awful

Because they expected John Wall and Nene to play.

Wall - Beal - Ariza - Okafor - Nene with Crawford and Seraphin off the bench are not bad at all.

Heisenberg
11-19-2012, 09:09 PM
Roy's mom needs to be at every game

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 09:10 PM
Lead better be double digits at half time.

Derek2k3
11-19-2012, 09:10 PM
Pacers have no semblance of an offense. That's why Washington is getting back into the game.

Oh, come on.

20 FTA sure helps.

Pacerized
11-19-2012, 09:11 PM
Hibbert is looking better tonight.

Heisenberg
11-19-2012, 09:11 PM
that was stupid West

vnzla81
11-19-2012, 09:12 PM
Yep that's the Price I know, lol.

rock747
11-19-2012, 09:12 PM
Lots of fouls being called on indiana...

Derek2k3
11-19-2012, 09:12 PM
Case in point, Hill gets shoulder checked way out deep, no whistle. Yet Crawford/Price get touched and an immediate whistle.

Pacers need to simply push the temp, they'll get this lead back up. Washington's offense is terrible.

vnzla81
11-19-2012, 09:13 PM
Wow :laugh:

xIndyFan
11-19-2012, 09:13 PM
wow, 15 turnovers in a half. that is the reason the Wiz are back in the game.

Heisenberg
11-19-2012, 09:15 PM
Roy's best half since the first half of the season. Hopefully the 2nd half doesn't turn out the like the rest of his season to this point.

LucasRL13
11-19-2012, 09:15 PM
Unbelievable, how we have 50 points, with 15 turnovers !!!!!!!!!!!!

granger4mvp
11-19-2012, 09:15 PM
What's with all the fouls no wonder they can't get in a rhythm

Derek2k3
11-19-2012, 09:16 PM
DJ looking aggressive, love to see it.

Derek2k3
11-19-2012, 09:16 PM
What's with all the fouls no wonder they can't get in a rhythm

Refs called 32 fouls in 24 minutes. That's absurd.

granger4mvp
11-19-2012, 09:18 PM
Refs called 32 fouls in 24 minutes. That's absurd.

Wow knew their was alot but that is a little excessive

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 09:19 PM
For all of you blaming the refs that we lost our lead... 15 turnovers. 9 assists in the first 2 in the second. We shot over 60 percent in the first quarter. 5/12 in the second. No semblance of an offensive plays in the second.

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 09:21 PM
LOL at Tyler Hansbrough saying he is the same size as David West. :laugh:

Eleazar
11-19-2012, 09:23 PM
Refs called 32 fouls in 24 minutes. That's absurd.

To call that many fouls you almost have to be looking to call a foul, instead of just calling a foul when there is a foul.

clownskull
11-19-2012, 09:23 PM
LOL at Tyler Hansbrough saying he is the same size as David West. :laugh:

well, they are actually quite close like he said. i don't know why you think there is a big difference.

Heisenberg
11-19-2012, 09:23 PM
LOL at Tyler Hansbrough saying he is the same size as David West. :laugh:

they are, other than wingspan probably

Pacerized
11-19-2012, 09:24 PM
LOL at Tyler Hansbrough saying he is the same size as David West. :laugh:


?

Nuntius
11-19-2012, 09:24 PM
Jan Vesely's an underrated bust. He's still real young and all, but man is that dude terrible.

I never understood why he was picked so high. He had some good seasons in Serbia (even won an award in 2010) but he was never the next big thing. He can develop into a serviceable role player but that's not what you want out of a #6 pick.

He was a reach, imo. Apparently, some scouts were stunned by his athleticism.

However, I think that it's still early to call him a bust.

Ace E.Anderson
11-19-2012, 09:25 PM
For all of you blaming the refs that we lost our lead... 15 turnovers. 9 assists in the first 2 in the second. We shot over 60 percent in the first quarter. 5/12 in the second. No semblance of an offensive plays in the second.

As someone else said, it's hard to get in rhythm when there's such a stoppage in play.

Heisenberg
11-19-2012, 09:28 PM
However, I think that it's still early to call him a bust.Probably is, but it sure looks headed that way.

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 09:29 PM
?

I meant in terms of strength. I realize they are the same height.

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 09:30 PM
Perfect possession.

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 09:32 PM
Hibbert is a man on a mission.

Heisenberg
11-19-2012, 09:32 PM
Roy's doing good things guys.

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 09:33 PM
Wow what a beautiful play.

Heisenberg
11-19-2012, 09:33 PM
I gotta stop jinxing guys

Eleazar
11-19-2012, 09:33 PM
Anyone else notice the foul was before the shot?

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 09:34 PM
Vesely is just embarrassing himself

vnzla81
11-19-2012, 09:34 PM
Vesely lol

Ace E.Anderson
11-19-2012, 09:36 PM
Paul George, watch Trevor Ariza...he is who you'll be if you don't improve!!

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 09:37 PM
What can Vesely do if he can't shoot the mid range?

vnzla81
11-19-2012, 09:37 PM
Lol at the people screaming when AJ Price was ready to jack it up :laugh:

vnzla81
11-19-2012, 09:37 PM
What can Vesely do if he can't shoot the mid range?

Nothing I guess, he is like a worse version of Mcbob.

glazedham42
11-19-2012, 09:38 PM
Someone needs to tell the stripes that they aren't Required to call a foul on every single possession of the game. They wonder why the attendance at a lot of these games is so low. No one wants to sit and watch these free throw contests. It's a total joke.

Heisenberg
11-19-2012, 09:39 PM
stop that little flop shot crap PG

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 09:39 PM
Paul George. Good.

clownskull
11-19-2012, 09:39 PM
I meant in terms of strength. I realize they are the same height.

well, in terms of strength, they are once again pretty similar. they are the 2 strongest guys on the team.

Pacerized
11-19-2012, 09:40 PM
I meant in terms of strength. I realize they are the same height.

I'd even say they're close in strength. Tyler is a muscular 6'9"

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 09:40 PM
Stephenson trying to be cute again.

Nuntius
11-19-2012, 09:41 PM
Probably is, but it sure looks headed that way.

Well, as I said he should never be picked so high. For #6 he'll probably be considered a bust but it really isn't his fault that he was picked so high.

His correct placement is at the 20s, imo. I can see him having a solid career as a role player. I just don't see him as a legit starter.

glazedham42
11-19-2012, 09:41 PM
Roy is looking like last season tonight

Ace E.Anderson
11-19-2012, 09:41 PM
Roy Hibbert is finally smiling in a game! Lol

Heisenberg
11-19-2012, 09:42 PM
Roy now with more points than the average value of his contract (divided by a million anyway)

clownskull
11-19-2012, 09:42 PM
Lol at the people screaming when AJ Price was ready to jack it up :laugh:

i am looking at the box score and price is shooting a very typical 2-8.
the guy just cannot shoot- just cant.

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 09:42 PM
Man way too many fouls called.

vnzla81
11-19-2012, 09:42 PM
Roy Hibbert is finally smiling in a game! Lol

That's what playing against the wizards can do to a player.

Heisenberg
11-19-2012, 09:43 PM
there's gonna be like 6 guys foul out

vnzla81
11-19-2012, 09:44 PM
i am looking at the box score and price is shooting a very typical 2-8.
the guy just cannot shoot- just cant.

Yep and Wizards fans know it too.

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 09:44 PM
Washington is shooting 8% from 3. :laugh:

Heisenberg
11-19-2012, 09:45 PM
West with 15 on 5 shots

vnzla81
11-19-2012, 09:45 PM
Man when are the Pacers playing good teams? I'm tired of watching crappy teams.

Heisenberg
11-19-2012, 09:45 PM
Washington is shooting 8% from 3. :laugh:

Still higher than Wall's % last year

LucasRL13
11-19-2012, 09:51 PM
Man when are the Pacers playing good teams? I'm tired of watching crappy teams.

Next games, Hornets, Spurs, etc...

HOOPFANATIC
11-19-2012, 09:51 PM
Never understood why if the three point shot is such a vital part of our offense we never actively sought any three-point shooters

Ace E.Anderson
11-19-2012, 09:52 PM
How Bradley Beal has more bball IQ/acumen then Paul George is beyond me

vnzla81
11-19-2012, 09:53 PM
Beal is nice.

Eleazar
11-19-2012, 09:54 PM
I thought they got rid of continuation?

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 09:54 PM
How Bradley Beal has more bball IQ/acumen then Paul George is beyond me
You don't learn Bball IQ.

Heisenberg
11-19-2012, 09:55 PM
13-0 Wiz run. this freakin team

NapTonius Monk
11-19-2012, 09:55 PM
13-0 run

Eleazar
11-19-2012, 09:55 PM
Put Lance in for Augustine.

Nuntius
11-19-2012, 09:55 PM
We needed that timeout earlier.

MiaDragon
11-19-2012, 09:55 PM
Way to let them rip off a 13pt run before you call a TO Frank, good job bud.

vnzla81
11-19-2012, 09:56 PM
Mahinmi showing that great game he has, great hands too.

Ace E.Anderson
11-19-2012, 09:56 PM
You don't learn Bball IQ.

True. But you learn things the more you play; that's why I said acumen. Beal has more offensive moves than Paul and is a rookie

MiaDragon
11-19-2012, 09:57 PM
We needed that timeout earlier.

He needs to go.

LucasRL13
11-19-2012, 09:57 PM
We have a great coach no doubt, a 20 point game in 3 minutes to a 7 point game, thanks Frank, thanks for the reserves

Nuntius
11-19-2012, 09:57 PM
Tyler :happydanc

clownskull
11-19-2012, 09:57 PM
despite the fact the current wizards team is awful, we have not been able to put them away.
in fact they have almost pulled even.

rock747
11-19-2012, 09:57 PM
I will say it again, the root of this teams problems lie with its weakened bench.

pacersgroningen
11-19-2012, 09:57 PM
We are in total panic mode. Ian looks lost on offense and defense.. get him outta there!

vnzla81
11-19-2012, 09:57 PM
Tyler time.

Ace E.Anderson
11-19-2012, 09:58 PM
Why does Vogel not have any offensive players on the floor?

Lol and why did we not sign Livingston?!

MiaDragon
11-19-2012, 09:58 PM
My GOD, someone tell Franky he can sub some different players.

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 09:58 PM
Man Frank you call a timeout after a 7-0 run not a 13-0 run. :mad:

LG33
11-19-2012, 09:59 PM
Paul George is finally having a real impact on the game, and it's totally negative.

LuckSwagger
11-19-2012, 09:59 PM
We just gave up 16 straight points to a team that's 0-8. I'm sorry but this team is just bad.

vnzla81
11-19-2012, 09:59 PM
Imagine what they could do to the Pacers if they had Wall and Nene?

rel
11-19-2012, 09:59 PM
...Frank. I used to like you...what happened?

clownskull
11-19-2012, 09:59 PM
Mahinmi showing that great game he has, great hands too.

he really hasn't been playing any better than when we had solo as solo had bad hands too. but we are paying him like 4X the dough.

rock747
11-19-2012, 10:00 PM
The bench has done this to the pacers all year... put soo much pressure on the starting unit. Thanks pritch.

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 10:01 PM
Genius. Gerald Green is in.

pacers_heath
11-19-2012, 10:01 PM
Good lord stop overreacting everyone teams go on runs they're going to cool off now. The negativity in this forum is getting unbearable

MiaDragon
11-19-2012, 10:01 PM
Did Lance die?

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 10:02 PM
Ill take some luck. Vesely is just killing them.

vnzla81
11-19-2012, 10:02 PM
he really hasn't been playing any better than when we had solo as solo had bad hands too. but we are paying him like 4X the dough.

Yep I compare him to Solomon Jones.

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 10:03 PM
Hibbert thank you for waking up!

Eleazar
11-19-2012, 10:03 PM
The bench has done this to the pacers all year... put soo much pressure on the starting unit. Thanks pritch.

Still doesn't explain the terrible play of the starters. Worry about the bench when we get some consistently good play from the starters.

MiaDragon
11-19-2012, 10:04 PM
Or maybe Frank just "forgot" about him.

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 10:04 PM
There is a difference between falling down and getting fouled.

Heisenberg
11-19-2012, 10:04 PM
Did Lance die?

the franchise wants him to fail. you didn't hear?

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 10:04 PM
Seriously where is Lance?

rock747
11-19-2012, 10:05 PM
Still doesn't explain the terrible play of the starters. Worry about the bench when we get some consistently good play from the starters.
The starters plus tyler have to do everything... almost noproduction from anyone else.

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 10:06 PM
Attack Vesely ALL DAYYYY.

LG33
11-19-2012, 10:06 PM
Jan Vesely's having a tough day at the office.

vnzla81
11-19-2012, 10:06 PM
Complain all you want about Vogel, be glad we don't have the Wizards coach he sucks.

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 10:07 PM
Huge....

EDIT:Gerald just gave it right back with horrid defense.

Heisenberg
11-19-2012, 10:09 PM
I like Young but we're asking FAR too much from him on offense

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 10:10 PM
I like Young but we're asking FAR too much from him on offense

Please keep making comments that are causing our team to do the opposite.

Nuntius
11-19-2012, 10:10 PM
Nice one, Young.

We look quite undisciplined.

LuckSwagger
11-19-2012, 10:10 PM
Good lord we just can't stop them from scoring.

repole
11-19-2012, 10:10 PM
I like Young but we're asking FAR too much from him on offense



Heavily contested 3s aren't exactly his strong suit...A guy like him shouldn't be taking 6 in a game.

3rdStrike
11-19-2012, 10:12 PM
Heavily contested 3s aren't exactly his strong suit...A guy like him shouldn't be taking 6 in a game.

He took SEVEN two games ago. A good coach would not let that happen ever again without repercussion.

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 10:13 PM
What a wonderful play out of the timeout Frank.

DGPR
11-19-2012, 10:13 PM
The ball movement sucks again, I just don't understand this team.

repole
11-19-2012, 10:13 PM
Wizards have been setting a ton of moving screens for Beal.

Eleazar
11-19-2012, 10:14 PM
Young needs to learn to just be an opportunistic scorer. He should never take any more than 2 3's in a game.

repole
11-19-2012, 10:14 PM
He took SEVEN two games ago. A good coach would not let that happen ever again without repercussion.

For the most part I don't really blame Young though. He's pretty much told to camp out around the arc in this offense. Doesn't really have a choice.

vnzla81
11-19-2012, 10:14 PM
Thanks god this Wizards team is stupid or they would be up.

xIndyFan
11-19-2012, 10:14 PM
only 5 turnovers so far this half. much better.

Nuntius
11-19-2012, 10:15 PM
Young needs to learn to just be an opportunistic scorer. He should never take any more than 2 3's in a game.

It's not that a lot of our players are lining up in order to shoot. If no one is going to get open and shoot it I have no problem for Sam doing it as he usually manages to move off the ball and get open.

Heisenberg
11-19-2012, 10:15 PM
For the most part I don't really blame Young though. He's pretty much told to camp out around the arc in this offense. Doesn't really have a choice.

this. Young's a solid player that'll make a nice cut every so often but you don't put him on the perimeter and tell him to catch and shoot. he shouldn't be this involved in the offense at all.

Hypnotiq
11-19-2012, 10:15 PM
Sam Young has gotta be one of the worst passers of the rock ive ever seen he has to be the reason why we have so many turnovers

Nuntius
11-19-2012, 10:17 PM
Young :happydanc

NapTonius Monk
11-19-2012, 10:18 PM
http://aeryssports.com/fishy-situation/files/2012/07/ohNO.jpg

Heisenberg
11-19-2012, 10:19 PM
talk about another phantom foul

repole
11-19-2012, 10:19 PM
this. Young's a solid player that'll make a nice cut every so often but you don't put him on the perimeter and tell him to catch and shoot. he shouldn't be this involved in the offense at all.

That's my biggest complaint with Vogel so far. I just don't see him putting guys in the roles they should be in. Perhaps it doesn't help that you don't have ideal shot creators or jumpshooters, but no matter what you have on the court, Sam Young shouldn't be a three point shooter in any offense.

Hypnotiq
11-19-2012, 10:19 PM
if we lose this

i will be lost for words

vnzla81
11-19-2012, 10:20 PM
Damn the Pacers are lucky as s***

xIndyFan
11-19-2012, 10:20 PM
lol hill needs to start opening his eyes when he shoots. 2-11 :cry:

DGPR
11-19-2012, 10:20 PM
I don't think we win this game now

LG33
11-19-2012, 10:20 PM
The Charlotte Bobcats are going to make the playoffs, and we aren't?

Eleazar
11-19-2012, 10:20 PM
talk about another phantom foul

By my count that is about phantom foul number 4 on the Pacers, and if you include ticky-tac fouls that is number 20 for both teams. These refs are just all-around terrible.

repole
11-19-2012, 10:21 PM
DJ an impressive -16 in his 16 minutes compared to Hill's +18.

rock747
11-19-2012, 10:21 PM
if we lose this

i will be lost for words
I already am.

vnzla81
11-19-2012, 10:21 PM
An Iso for West count it.

Heisenberg
11-19-2012, 10:22 PM
Lance should be in for PG

repole
11-19-2012, 10:23 PM
Did that George shot hit the backboard?

LG33
11-19-2012, 10:23 PM
DJ an impressive -16 in his 16 minutes compared to Hill's +18.

DJ doesn't get to play with David West.

Nuntius
11-19-2012, 10:23 PM
Arigatō, Mr. West :)

Eleazar
11-19-2012, 10:23 PM
Lance should be in for PG

I'd rather have George's defense.

vnzla81
11-19-2012, 10:23 PM
Game over.

clownskull
11-19-2012, 10:24 PM
DJ an impressive -16 in his 16 minutes compared to Hill's +18.

and he is 1-5 from the field. he has replaced price as our worst shooter.

Magic P
11-19-2012, 10:24 PM
PG is not clutch

LG33
11-19-2012, 10:26 PM
Put out an APB for Lance Stephenson.

Nuntius
11-19-2012, 10:26 PM
Hiiiiiiiibs :happydanc

repole
11-19-2012, 10:26 PM
Where has this Roy been?

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 10:27 PM
David West is our best player by far.

Nuntius
11-19-2012, 10:27 PM
David West :happydanc

boombaby1987
11-19-2012, 10:29 PM
Well the Pacers made that too interesting.

Heisenberg
11-19-2012, 10:30 PM
Frank made that harder than it shoulda been

avoidingtheclowns
11-19-2012, 10:32 PM
Please let this be the game for Roy. Nothing huge, like 20/10 on 8-12 shooting. Please?

20/11 on 8-10. That'll do.

Trader Joe
11-19-2012, 10:33 PM
Where has this Roy been?

Playing against teams other than the Wizards.